NFL Players' top 100 list- Does it make any sense whatsoever?
by James Dator on Jun 6, 2011 3:48 PM EDT
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PrintAs you may know the NFL Network has been airing an ongoing series in which players voted for the top 100 players in the NFL. The thought would be that in doing this we, the fans would get a real, no nonsense look at who the players believe are the best guys on the field on Sundays, or so one would think.
However, after reading the methodology behind how this list was compiled it really raises some eyebrows and makes you wonder how this list was done. According to Pro Football Talk players didn't sit down and make a list from 1-100, but rather were asked to list their top 20 players. From there each selection would be awarded a point value and a top 100 list would be compiled. What does this mean? Well, to give it some context it means that some NFL player (as pointed out by PFT) thinks Donovan McNabb is a top 20 player in the NFL, hence awarding him the #100 spot.
I point this out because I have heard mentioned on several occasions that the lack of Carolina Panthers on the list (with the exception of Jon Beason) serves as some sort of mandate on how the NFL as a whole views our players. The reality, however, is that I don't know if I would say any of our players are top 20 in the league as a whole.
After the jump we look at some more rankings that scratched heads, and I'll try and do what the players were asked to... methinks I won't have Donovan McNabb on my list.
Granted, I think Big Ben is reprehensible off the field, but on it it's hard to ignore his abilities. Well, unless you're a significant chunk of players. Roethlisberger finished 41st overall, with six QBs rated ahead of him.
Tony Gonzalez
I must admit, I share the sentiment of Washington Redskins' TE Chris Cooley on this one. Gonzalez is, without a doubt, the greatest TE to ever play the game, but the 46th best player in the NFL in 2010?
70 receptions, 656 yards, 6 TD.... I'll let you be the judge of that
Inexorably he's linked to Tony Gonzalez in my mind. Welker game in at 50th, and finished the season with 86 receptions, 848 yards and 7 TDs, yet he was rated lower than the aforementioned Gonzalez.
My top 20
Let me take a crack and this. I welcome others to try the same in the comments. It isn't easy, but I gave it the old college try. Remember, this is solely for the 2010 season
1. Tom Brady
4. Arian Foster
5. Ed Reed
6. Demarcus Ware
9. Michael Vick
10. Clay Matthews
11. Brandon Lloyd
12. Troy Polamalu
13. Reggie Wayne
14. Drew Brees
15. Stephen Tulloch
16. Chris Johnson
17. Dwayne Bowe
18. Nnamdi Asomugha
19. Greg Jennings
20. Jerrod Mayo
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Pretty good James.
Tulluch? Loved him in college. Solid player for the Titans last season, but I don’t think he’s top 20.
Might put Revis in there towards the bottom. If not then Traman Williams.
Maybe put Desean Jackson in there somewhere in the high teens.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
For just 2010...
Tulloch had 160 tackles, 1 sacks, 6 PDef and 1 INT from the 4-3 MLB position.
Those numbers are ungodly, I couldn’t leave him out. I was trying to find a place for Revis, but he just wasn’t as good in 2010 as we’ve seen in the past. Overall top 20? Absolutely.
He has the numbers, sure.
I hear you with Revis. Probably would put T. Williams ahead of him when just evaluating 2010.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 6, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Suh is hard to keep out of the top 20. And if he wasn’t a rookie last season he would have gotten more votes in this thing.
Case in point…if I’m starting a fantasy franchise, he would probably be one of four or five guys I’d consider with the first pick.
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by ERL on Jun 6, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d pick Brooklyn Decker first.
Unless you’re talking about a different kind of fantasy…
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I am, but will always welcome any thoughts and/or reflections on Brooklyn.
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by ERL on Jun 6, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
My personal favorite reflection of Brooklyn...
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
My pleasure.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
First thing I thought of when I read the list James made.
Pretty good list, but there’s no way I could leave Suh out of the Top 20. The guy’s a dominant beast. I’d probably put him somewhere around #15.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
No, the list makes zero sense
When I watched the 80-71 episode and say that Tony Romo, who played all of six games in 2010, was ranked eight spots higher than Jared Allen, who had another “ho-him” eleven sack season, I realized that.
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by Christopher Gates on Jun 6, 2011 4:22 PM EDT reply actions
*saw that Tony Romo
My bad.
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by Christopher Gates on Jun 6, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
And *"ho-hum"
Man. . .those “English as a second language” courses are really paying off for me, huh?
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by Christopher Gates on Jun 6, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry, no one will grammar nazi you here, Chris.
Except maybe BW.
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by ERL on Jun 6, 2011 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You know me all too well don't you, ERL?
Don’t worry Mr. Gates, I only Grammar Nazi the regulars around here. I take it easy on guests. :-)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Just my humble opinion...
But I think that Tony Romo is not only one of the most overrated QBs, but more generally speaking is also one of the most overrated players in the league. How any player (other than his fellow Cowboys) could rate him as a Top 20 player is beyond me.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Romo is not a winner.
Especially when it counts most.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 6, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
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One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Just wondering!
But my man Dator is there anyway you could explain how Vick almost dropped to 10th, instead of being in your top 5! Your list, I know. Just was curious.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on Jun 6, 2011 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
I don't think Vick was a top 5 player in 2011.
I agree with James’ placement of him at #9.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I might move him up a few spots...
If he would learn how to properly slide. LOL. =) Whenever he decides to “slide,” he essentially just falls on his butt. It’s really quite ugly – which may play at least a small part in his tendency to be more aggressive/dangerous and dive.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Honestly, same reason Kyle Orton wouldn't have even cracked my top 15 last year.
If we extrapolate out Vick’s numbers and imagine he played 16 games:
4,024 yards (5th among QBs)
28 passing TDs (Tied 6th among QBs)
8 INTs (Tied 6th among QBs)
Yet, Vick made the list where Matt Schaub didn’t even though Schaub had more yards.
Plus, he played in a pass friendly system much like Kyle Orton did in Denver last season when he finished the year with (projected) 4,053 yards, 22 TD.
In summation, he had an amazing year easily a top 5 QB season, but not top 5 overall at any position.
That makes perfect sence
I only ask, because he seem to have had maybe the best QB year other than Brady. Stats tell the story in this kind of evaluation. Thx!
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on Jun 7, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Plain and simple
When Jon Beason ranked in at #95 overall this list became bulls#!+ to me and I stopped watching the program.
by Swamp Panther on Jun 6, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ding-ding-ding We have a winnah!
Same here. Beason at #95 in the entire league? BullSnot!
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on Jun 7, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
stupid list
I stopped watching it after the second show. It’s just so frustrating. of 2011!!! did the producers not emphasize that to the players they were questioning?? apperantly not, cuz the commentary and clips show the whole players career accomplishment, not just 2011. The potential was huge as far as a yearly series. But if players are too stupid to stick to the rules and producers not insisting on following it… and providing a bigger sample of players who do take the survey… screw it!
by Penn Panther Fan on Jun 6, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
NFL network reaction show
On the reaction show they couldn’t figure out if it was last season or body of work. So it must not have been clear.
by JohnnyMac080 on Jun 6, 2011 7:52 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Where's adrian?
how about Adrian Peterson he’s gotta be in the top twenty and Desean Jackson for sure. Mr. Homo Romo sucks not even top 100 haha i might just maybe would put dwill in the top twenty if he had a season like 08 but hes in my top twenty lol
Wheres Willis???
Gotta be top ten, right? + Beason I wish!!!
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by ticketholdrsins96 on Jun 7, 2011 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
You homers can't agree with PFT only when it suits you!!!
Lol! Say something bad about Smitty, PFT is a terribly unreliable source. Support our lack of top 100 players, and now PFT is a good source of info???
When NFLN has had players on their reaction show, they usually have them rank their top 10 in their position. I bet they did the same with the 20 they asked players to rank. If so, yes McNabb is a top 20 QB.
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