Panthers' selection of Newton looks all the more intelligent when rookie pay scale is agreed to
by James Dator on Jun 20, 2011 8:44 AM EDT
Email
PrintThough we don't have any framework for what a pay scale would look like, what we do know per USA Today is that the owners are ensuring they get a rookie pay scale in the next CBA. USA Today directly cites Cam Newton when discussing what a wage scale could mean. Regardless of what the final amount is, it seems highly unlikely Cam Newton will get anything close to what Sam Bradford made last year with his $50 million guaranteed, or even the $41 million Matthew Stafford made in 2009.
If I had to intuit what Cam Newton could make based on reading many perspectives on the pay scale I'll throw a number out there: 6 years, $50 million with $20 million guaranteed. This seems like a reasonable figure that represents roughly a 36% overall salary cut from what Bradford made in 2010, and a 60% cut in guaranteed money. I call this 'reasonable' because this isn't money the owners save entirely, it is just redistributed to veterans and the retired players pension plan. This represents the 'why' the NFLPA are agreeing to this scale.
Under my figures outlined above Newton's contract would be much closer to what Eli Manning made as the #1 overall pick in the 2004 draft when Eli received a 6 years, $48 million deal with approximated $18 million guaranteed.
If these figures are even remotely accurate the Panthers dodged a bullet and picked a good year to go after the QB with the #1 pick.
78 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
the next contract
The biggest contracts are the second contracts after a couple monster years. I remember Vick becoming the first player with a $100 million contract. If there is a rookie salary cap, Newton won’t hold out. Then he can get right to work. I always hated when players seemed to do so well in OTAs, and then hold out and miss the real TC. If Newton lives up to the hype, his next contract will be enormous. I wonder what the standard length will be for the new rookie contracts.
It certainly was time for a rookie pay scale to come into place.
The ridiculous amount of guaranteed money just being handed to completedly unproven NFL rookies was beyond nonsensical. Fantastic, you got a killer college player. Does that mean the guy can look remotely competent once he meets his first snap in a real NFL game? On top of that, paying that amount of money to a team with a #1 pick severely limits the money that can be allocated to the rest of the team to field a competitive team. If you are in a position to have a #1 pick, you most likely need serious upgrades in several positions, and you need to make sure you can still keep the talent that you do have.
So, from a financial standpoint, we did have a good year to have a #1 pick. It’s just a shame that the team had to be gutted of vets such as Chris Harris and suffer through a lameduck coaching season to put us in that situation.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Yup. The owners HAD to do something to protect themselves
against the Jamarcus Russell’s of the world.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
*Typo
“…paying that amount of money TO A PLAYER for a team with a #1 pick severely limits the money…”
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
I'm sure that was part of the reasoning behind picking Cam #1 overall
A lot less of a gamble when you don’t have to sell the farm just to pay his rookie contract. It just got to be ridiculous when rookie QB’s who had never thrown a pass in the NFL like Sam Bradford and Matthew Stafford were making as much or more money than Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Makes no sense.
If, heaven forbid, the Panthers end up with the number one pick again next year, this will be another major reason why they will either trade out of the pick or select Andrew Luck (barring any major setbacks or injuries). Luck is one of the most hyped QB prospects of the last 20 years, and that number one overall pick could garner as much as 3 future #1 picks. So the Panthers could reap a huge reward for trading that pick, but would still be able to financially handle picking Luck and trading him or Newton down the line if no team would be willing to give the Panthers what they demanded.
Picking anyone else number one overall (despite the lack of need for a QB) would just be throwing money, and future gains down the toilet.
I really hope
The Panthers don’t end up with the number one overall pick next year. I really think they can be successful this upcoming season. The last thing everyone needs is a QB controversy and having not two but three top QB picks on the roster. I really feel good about Cam and think the Panthers will compete for a long time to come.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...sometimes you have to go against the grain.
by Disciple of Carolina on Jun 20, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Even if the Panthers have the top pick next year (which I highly doubt), there will be far too many teams slobbering over getting Andrew Luck. This will start a bidding war and eventually the Panthers will get value out of trading the pick away. Something like that year’s first, second, and two future 1st round picks at the most. But again, I think it’s highly unlikely the Panthers would find themselves in that position, although it would be hugely beneficial to the future of the team if they did.
I would contend that going 1-15 or 2-14 again would do more to damage this franchise
Than adding a couple of first round picks would help it.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Really?
Most teams with rookie starting QB’s are lucky to win 4 games in a season. You’re telling me that losing a couple more games while getting 2 extra first round draft picks (top tier starters) is not worth it to the franchise as a whole?
That's true.
But I don’t see us winning just 4 games, either.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I don't either
But then again, I didn’t see us winning 2 games last year.
As fans, we’re a bit biased.
Yeah, well.
It is not something I will take consolation in if we do lose ass again. It will create an ugly Newton/Luck controversy, not to mention we’ll have to bear another one, two or three win season as fans. The organization will be the brunt of jokes. More players will want out. People will continue to talk about relocation.
How do you think the Bengals carved out their less than flattering reputation? Three or four decades of futility, that’s how. They are forever stained. They may be okay with just making money, not concerned with wins and losses. Mr. Richardson is not.
And I’m not okay with being referred to as “that teal-colored small-market expansion franchise.” We desperately need to win, and win now.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
To win consistently we must find a franchise QB.
Keep in mind every other team in our division has one.
Just to finish my point, that’s the most important thing. Finding a QB. And to find one, we may not win instantly. With young QB’s in this league it’s going to be a process.
And if you ask the organization, they think the've found a QB in Newton.
And I tend to agree. At least I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt until its proven that I should not. It may be a process. But it doesn’t have to be.
And when I say “win and win now,” I don’t necessarily mean the Superb Owl (inside joke) I mean we need to be at least 8-8 to receive even a modicum of respect.
Yes, I’d much rather be 8-8 and draft 17th than be 2-14 and draft first.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I think 4 wins is the absolute floor for next year
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Jun 20, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Newton Better Than Vince Young?
I believe most Panthers fans believe that Cam Newton is more talanted than Vince Young was as a rookie (not as quite as fast, but a much stronger arm). I believe Young took over as a starter after around 6 games, and lead the Titans to around an 8-8 record, mostly just on his running ability. I don’t expect a replay of that, but it could happen. I expect 2-4 wins, but you never know.
by PanthersRoar on Jun 20, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. In a word.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
...
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
i disagree Pancanbra
What is more important ISN’T draft picks. It is and always will be WINNING. Being a Lions fan we faced that type of situation last year….winning or developing a winning mindset. Well which do you think helped Detroit better?…winning the last 4 or putting it in the tank to get more draft picks? ..Winning always trumps any “tank the season for draft picks”. That works well in John Madden Football… but in real life getting everyone to believe is the most important step a team can ever make…. regardless of what their draft position is.,…well that is just my humble opinion
Tell that to the Cleveland Cavaliers
Just playing devil’s advocate…but tanking the previous season before getting Lebron James was one of the best things that ever happened to that franchise.
That being said, I think you’re misunderstanding my point. I don’t think or want the Panthers to tank so they can have the number one overall pick, I’m just saying IF we did, we would either trade or select Luck.
number 1 pick
I think we are the favorites for the first pick given the nfls toughest schedule, youngest team in the nfl, atypical rookie qb, rookie coaching staff, and no time to prepare for the season. It is the perfect storm.
Don’t get to upset. It takes a couple of years to build a team. As far as another number 1 pick… multiple great options are not a bad thing.
I don't think it would be approved by the player's union.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
or Cecil...
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
by BW Smith on Jun 20, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well played.
“I’ma need another tree fiddy for that 8 year option.”
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 20, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ts probably going to be a 4 or 5 year contrract. Te NFLPA is going to limit the length of these contracts so players who prove themselves can get to UFA quicker.
by Ryan439 on Jun 20, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I saw in an early proposal that both sides were talking a 4 or 5 year limit for 1st round picks.
Also talking of making all others limited to one less year than the 1st rounders.
All I know is we will not be picking 1st agian next year
Cam is a major upgrade over Clausen and we won 2 games with him so yeah 4 games is definately a possibilty. Hell, I can see us winning ten games depending on if Cam come in and instantly take the league by storm. Its a long shot but with this guys record its definately possible.
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
I totally agree with you. I think 5-7 wins would be a huge success
And when you look at the overall talent on the team plus Newton’s raw material, a lot of interesting things could happen. Even if he doesn’t come in and take the league by storm, he’ll eek out more than two wins on talent alone.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah i mean I'm sure he will throw more than 2 TD passes also.
The more I think about it the more I realize that Cam Newton opens this offense up light years above what we had last year. Just with the addition of Cam we should see Stewarts numbers go above at least 1200 yds(if DWill leaves) as well as Smith’s numbers go back up to the 1000 yd range. People shouldn’t sleep on us next year. We have some serious weapons with a good Oline(when Healthy) not to mention a solid defense.
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
Yes.
I’d like to see if we can add a couple more explosive type players on offense and/or special teams. It seems like Goodson (assuming he is NOT elevated to the #2 RB) was a threat to take every kick back last season. Adding another guy like him would be good. Maybe we already have with the kid from Hawaii.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I'm looking forward to seeing Pilares on ST.
I really want this team to have someone in the likes of Winslow Oliver, Michael Bates, and Steve Smith back there in the return game. It’s been too long.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Another desert cat from UNM.
The “dangerous” Winslow Oliver!
by DesertCat on Jun 20, 2011 8:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Coming Off His Injury, Pilares May Need Be Eased In On ST
I love the selection of WR Kealoha Pilares (5-10 3/8, 199, 4.42-40, 40.5 inch vertical jump), but after his injury he might need to be eased into a special teams role.
If the Panthers are smart, they will try to sign someone like West Virginia RB Noel Devine (5-7, 179, 4.26-40) as a returner, though he has little return experience (he was too valuable to use in that roll in college).
It would also be smart to sign some big, fast UDFA’s for special teams coverage duties, while the learn their positions. Some great player signings would be Marshall MLB/SLB Mario Harvey (5-10 7/8, 257, 4.43-40), Division III Baldwin-Wallace College OLB Keith Darbut (6-4 1/8, 229, 4.38-40, a record 1.42-10, 26 bench reps, 38 inch vertical, 10-6 broad jump), Newberry College (SC) SS Ron Parker (5-11 3/4, 206, 4.34-40), and Hawaii SS Keanemana Silva (6-0 3/4, 206, 4.41-40, 23 bench reps, 40 inch vertical).
by PanthersRoar on Jun 20, 2011 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Devine as long as Williams is gone, Otherwise Goodson, and Sutton make better 3rd and 4th backs, respectively, and 5 would be too many to carry.
Perhaps Pilares may need to be eased in, but the way I see it is when the guy is practicing at full strength and beating his teammates in sprints, he’ll be just fine to throw in there.
I’d be happy with signing one of those guys, but we also have a bunch of stellar special teamers in Jordan Senn, Jordan Pugh, Marcus Hudson (should he be resigned), Wallace Wright, and Charly Martin. There’s only so much room on special teams. I’d maybe take another gunner opposite Wright or Hudson, but it’d be hard to upgrade over one of them, unless there’s another Jarrod Cooper or Dante Wesley sitting there.
I just think people tend to forget about these guys when looking at UDFAs.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 21, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Camp limit is 80 some.
No harm in bringing in these guys and seeing if they can contribute immediately.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 21, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, there's always the Chewbacca defense.
But that should be reserved for times of great need. ;)
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 22, 2011 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL be fair to the Jimmeh. He had 3 td passes last year.
I agree with all you just said.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
10 might be pushing it but who knows. I see us going 6-10 or maybe 7-9.
by Martin LatinFire Gonzalez on Jun 20, 2011 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see that, however, I think winning upwards of 7 games is our ceiling, simply because the schedule is ridiculously hard for the worst team in the NFL last season (thought it was supposed to be easy for us?). Cam will get his bath by fire, and I hope he weathers is better than Clausen did.
The measuring stick for great success this season should be what Fox did when he took the team over in 02, going from 1-15 to 7-9. If Rivera can get 5-7 wins, like BBA said above, then this will be a very successful season.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
The one thing though
is that having the hardest schedule now looks bad, but with the parity of the NFL I don’t put as much stock as others do. Teams can implode, injuries can decimate a roster and up-and-coming teams are going to steal wins from teams that win X amount of games last year. That being said, our schedule is obviously going to be in the upper echelon of difficulty.
I think our absolute floor for wins is 4 and our ceiling is 7 or 8. But a record only tells so much. Look at the Lions; they were 6-10 last year but they were a handful of plays from being 10-6 and possibly in the playoffs. I can be happy with a 5-11 or 6-10 record as long as we play everyone close. First time head coach and a rookie QB typically leads to a couple losses that should have been wins.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Jun 20, 2011 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Im new to the BLOG
can someone please explain to me how the “rec” feature works…
follow me @JustinB_TU11
-IT DOESN'T TAKE TALENT..TO HUSTLE-
If you like a post, or think what was said was "noteworthy"
click the “actions” button at the bottom of the post and then you will see an option that says “rec.” When a post gets three recs it turns green. Some people just use +1 when they strongly agree with what the poster said, but didn’t necessarily feel it was “rec-worthy.”
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please don't bring up the +1 vs. rec debate again... :-)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
lol
I seriously considered not including +1 in my post…
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1 and rec'd
(See what I did there?)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
by BW Smith on Jun 20, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 20, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
+10000000
(Cecil gave me tree fiddy)
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
by The Duke Dude on Jun 20, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Um, yes I can. I'm an editor. I can do whatever I want.
/extreme sarcasm
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Fixed this for you:
Um, yes I can. I’m an editor. I can do whatever I want.
/extreme sarcasm
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 20, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol well played
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Welcome to the blog!
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
After you have sufficiently confused the poor guy. Jeez BW!
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
I can be the biggest Homer but
I would not be surprised if we get 10 or more wins. We had our weaknesses but most of those evolved from terrible QB play and injuries. The defense was good considering we had no interior DL presence and they stayed on the field nearly the whole game. If we can get some vet help in key positions during FA which I think we will and get some guys back healthy 5-7 wins should be expected. 2007 Ravens went 5-11. 2008 they had rookie coach and rookie QB and went 11-5. They had solid pieces left around Flacco just like we have solid pieces around Cam.
by jwalkingincarolina on Jun 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
One other thing...
Right beside the “actions” button is the “reply button”. Please use it in the future so we know who you’re talking to. In longer threads it gets confusing if people don’t use the reply button.
You have now completed the entry level program for CSR. Enjoy your time posting here. :-)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
So, it's like we're lucky cause we found the Yugo for half of the retail...
…doesn’t denounce the fact you still have a Yugo.
At least if someone fails the rookie contract will not cripple a team as badly IF they do succeed in placing the scale.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
Sounds like someone's still a little bitter from the Iron Bowl...
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
No sir. I’ve said my feelings about him here. Just stating the obvious I guess.
When it comes to the Panthers, the varsity BS stays packed at home. I would dare say any Auburn fan who is a true Panthers fan would confirm this sentiment, but disagree on my opinion how his career will end up.
It's not what you've done but what you are doing that matters.
Maybe next year the Ice Surface at Jobing.com should be frozen with the tears of Winnipeg. - TimmyHate of FiveForHowling to a troll after it was alleged Coyote fans do not know how to ice skate.
by AlabamaJammer on Jun 24, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Cat Scratch Reader
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- The Shutdown Corner Podcast: Greg Cosell on the NFC South Draft
- BREAKING: Tim Tebow did not become a great quarterback today
- Jerry Jones says Cowboys championship window is closing; Tony Romo disagrees
- Lawrence Taylor was told his Super Bowl ring was bought by Charlie Sheen
- Chad Ochocinco gets robbed, mourns loss of Starbucks gold card
