Greatest Panther of all time: Kevin Greene vs. Kris Jenkins
by James Dator on Jun 17, 2011 1:31 PM EDT
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PrintIt's a defensive battle this afternoon as Kevin Greene faces off against Kris Jenkins. This looks to be another fairly close matchup based on what we have seen play out so far.
So make sure you vote and discuss after the jump!
Kevin Greene, OLB
Statistics as a Panther: 47 games, 41.5 sacks, 2 INT
Accolades: All-Pro (1996), Defensive player of the year (1996), 1990's All-Decade Team
- Though Greene only spent three seasons in Carolina (it could have been four if not for the spat with him over this professional wrestling gigs) Kevin Greene made the most of his time in Charlotte. A vital piece of the Panthers improbable 1996 NFC Championship run, Green amassed 14.5 sacks on the year from the outside linebacker position. What's more impressive is that his stats were actually more gaudy, but the NFL didn't track tackles at that time.
Kris Jenkins, DT
via jetsfan.com
Statistics as a Panther: 85 games, 215 tackles, 20.5 sacks
Accolades: Pro Bowl (2002, 2003, 2006), All-Pro (2002, 2003)
- Jenkins was arguably the Panthers most vital piece in defensive line dominance in the early 2000s. While Julius Peppers is credited for much of the line's success, really it was Jenkins' consistent penetration in the middle that made life easier for the DEs and terrible for opposing offenses. Though he had a rather unfortunate end to his tenure in Carolina, it's undoubtable that he was one of the greats.
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Probably should have voted for Kris, to stay consistant.
But Greene is the only Panther who has ever won DPOY.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
That's why he got my vote.
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Tough one
No wrestling stats for Greene up there lol? I swore him and rodman were involved in something in the 90s.
Man this is a tough though, gonna think about it and vote in a bit.
well
either I cant read or it was edited. prob the 1st.
by Supenusenfone on Jun 17, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Greene made Clay Matthews look like a girl scout (and now coincidentally coaches him).
He was a bad, bad man.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Tough, tough vote for me
I went with Greene, but I’m second-guessing myself now.
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Jenkins significantly aided in the crafting of the Panther's identity during the 2000's
While Greene’s play was phenomenal during his tenure here, our DLine was feared for half a decade partly because of how well he anchored the middle. Its part of the reason we’re considered a hard-nosed football team. Without it, we might still be a team looking for what fits.
Greene and company actually started that legacy.
That #1 defense in 1996 carried the team all the way to the NFC championship. I mean, their QB was a 2nd year Kerry Collins. Jenkins’ teams that had winning seasons (’03 & ’05) had prolific or at least good/great offenses.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
but Lamar Lathon...
…was just as much a beast (actually bigger and faster) at the other OLB position in the 3-4 Carolina was running at the time. That really made Greene’s career here…having the threat on the other side. In other words, I believe the defense and personnel we had aided Kevin Greene.
Regardless, if I look at Kevin Greene’s entire career (including his time with the Steelers), I have to pick him, hands down (since Kris has had a very limited impact on the Jets defense due to injury). But when I look at the time spent with the team and how one person made the rest of the defense better (as opposed to how the rest of the defense made HIM better), I have to go with Kris Jenkins.
And lets not forget that an interior defensive lineman almost NEVER wins DPOY…sacks, tackles, or interceptions do.
But your point has a lot of merit, ppalm.
Kris was the anchor of that fearsome DL.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
This is a very difficult one for me
I haven’t cast my vote yet… I’m going to think about it. On one hand… you have the Panthers O.G. sack machine in Greene, or you have the stalwart wall of Jenkins. whose stats don’t tell the tale of his effectiveness.
Tough call.
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I decided to go with Greene
I owned a Kevin Greene jersey in high school, and he is one of the reasons I decided to play defense for my schools football team. Therefore he gets the vote.
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Lathon had 13.5 sacks the same year.
They were a dual threat…as an Offensive Coordinator, you didn’t know WHO Capers was going to send around the tackles to make a little greasy spot on the turf out of your QB.
Yes, I’m lobbying for Jenkins in this round (futilely, I know), but please do understand I became a raging Panthers fan during Capers’ years because I loved what he did with the defense. I’d never really paid attention to the 3-4 prior…and we had Greene, Lathon, and Mills…who WOULDN’T love that linebacking corps? I’m still partial to the 3-4, specifically due to that time of Panther innocence and growth…and ferocity.
I just think Greene had the benefit of more overall talent aiding his impact and stats. Perhaps I’m wrong in that assessment.
It should be noted:
Lathon did nothing in 1997 when Greene played in San Francisco for the year, yet in 1998 Lathon was injured for all but 2 games, while Greene had his best year when he recorded 15 sacks in 15 games.
No doubt they were an astounding tandem in 1996, but Green did perform without Lathon
If Kevin Greene had posted those stats for us instead of leaving to accumulate them, I would have voted for him.
But your point is duly noted, James…and very justifiable.
47 games with 41.5 sacks?!
Kevin Greene should win this one. I know Jenkins was 1/4 of the best D-Line we’ve had to date, but Greene was just a MONSTER.
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by dowhatchado on Jun 17, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
That's what did it for me.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 18, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right...
To me this is most likely going to turn into a “Did Jake make Smitty or did Smitty make Jake” argument at the very end.
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Mills may also be a tough out. But he may suffer from being part of the old guard.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Mills is still one of my top 3 favorite Panthers of all time...
…how could you NOT appreciate a man who was so summarily dismissed because of his size, yet made SUCH an impact on defense for the Saints AND Panthers. The man had heart unlike anything I’ve ever seen…other than maybe Minter and London Fletcher (both overachievers who forced people to accept what they do). I have a special place in my heart for anyone considered to be less than physically ideal, yet plays like the ideal at their position. THAT is something that will have my eternal respect.
Cancer notwithstanding, Sam Mills was a MAN who MADE a career when people said he couldn’t. I can’t vote against him at any point in this process…it would be against everything I hold dear to do so.
If a kicker wins this thing I will destroy the internet.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Toughest poll yet in my opinion.
I voted for Jenk but I could have went either way in this one. The only reason Jenk swayed my vote is because I’m a big fan of the unsung heroes. When he was here he was simply a leaning brick wall opposing runners could not run north & south on period. Kevin Greene is one of my favorite players in NFL history though and his stats don’t lie. In I first few years in existance I’ll never forget the way we continuously swept the better teams in our division such as the 49ers and the Rams. Kevin was a big a part of that as anyone. A true cornerstone in the foundation of our team. We always had the Cowpokes # even with the triplets. I don’t think we’ve beat them once since he left. Is it to late to change my vote? lol
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by southtunnel on Jun 18, 2011 8:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well one was a hired gun and the other couldn't wait to leave.
So as greatest Panther I’m going to have to say… neither.
But again I am adding heart into the equation. Both of them were tremendous in their time here. But for god’s sake, Greene went to a division rival when we wouldn’t pay him enough. I loved his commercials, but he was never a “Panther.” He was an amazing player who happened to play here.
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