What Will The Panthers TE Depth Chart Look Like?
by PanthersRoar on Jun 13, 2011 12:16 AM EDT
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As of now the Panthers only have 2 TE's under contract for this season, and none after this season. Here are the 2 TE's under contract, and their information.
Jeremy Shockey (6-5, 251), a free agent signing from the Saints. He spent his last 3 seasons with the Saints, after 6 seasons with the Giants, with season catch totals of 74-48-61-65-66-57-50-48-41, for a career total of 510 catches. It will be a huge shock if he isn't the Panthers starting TE this season, but he has missed at least 3 games each of the last 3 years.
Gary Barnidge (6-5, 247, 4.61-40, 1.53-10) is 25 years old, but had only 12 catches (a 20.2 average) in 2009, and none in his other 2 seasons. With only 12 catches in 3 years the Panthers Barnidge is on thin ice with the Panthers for his roster spot, though he has very good speed for a TE.
Panthers Free Agent TE's:
Jeff King (6-3, 260, 4.83-40, 1.65-10) is 28 years old, and has spent all his 5 years with the Panthers. King is a great blocker, but the Panthers haven't made much use of their TE's as receivers (which he wants), and here are his catch totals 1-46-21-25-19. Though he's from Pulaski VA, and played at Virginia, he wants to play for a team were he can have a chance to be more of a pass catcher.
Dante Rosario (6-4, 250, 4.78-40, 1.65-10) is 26 years old, and has been with the Panthers all of his 4 seasons, with increasing catch totals of 6-18-26-32. His average YPC of 8.3 may hold his price down a little, but will the Panthers out bid others for him?
The Panthers will probably only keep 3 TE's on their active roster, so who will they be? Either of the 2 Panthers free agent TE's or Barnidge could be dropped, or even all 3.
Free Agents That Might Interest The Panthers:
Zach Miller (6-5, 255, 4.87-40) of the Raiders is only 24 years old, and the do-it-all (blocking catching, and stretching down field coverage in spite of his slow 40 speed) TE that the Panthers seek. The Raiders want to re-sign him, and he may want it as well. He's the top free agent TE, but if the Panthers wanted to sign him or another top free agent TE, then they probably wouldn't have signed Shockey.
Rather than sign even mid level free agent TE, I believe the Panthers may fill their 2nd and 3rd TE spots, along with a Practice Squad spot with some combination of UDFA rookies, and TE's cut from other teams.
UDFA (Undrafted Free Agents) Rookies:
1. Andre Smith (6-4, 270, 4.80-40) of Virginia - He's like a 3rd OT, but not much of a pass catcher
2, Shuyler Oordt (6-5 3/4, 261, 33 3/4 inch arms, 4.67-40, 1.59-10) of Northern Iowa. Had several drops at the Combine.
3. Collin Franklin (6-6, 256, 4.69-40) of Iowa St. He has good height and above average speed, but I don't think he ever caught 20 passes or more in a season.
4. Weslye Saunders (6-5, 270, 4.95-40) of South Carolina. He was suspended for all of the 2010 season, after having 32 catches as a junior. Unfortunately, he injured his knee, and could only run in the mid 4.9's, though he wasn't fast before (around a 4.8), and for his 270 pounds surprisingly isn't a motivated blocker.
5. Zach Pianalto (6-3 1/4, 256, 33 inch arms, 4.87-40, 1.65-10) of UNC. He caught around 32 passes as a senior in about half a season, before injuring his knees.
6. Charlie Grant (6-4, 252, 4.89-40, 1.69-10) of Michigan St. He's slow, but caught well at the Combine.
7. TE/WR Brett Brackett (6-5 3/4, 248, 4.61-40 on a fast track) of Penn St. He played both TE and WR, and had 39 catches as a senior.
A few interesting TE's who could be cut:
Jeff Cumberland (6-4, 260, 4.60-40) of the Jets. He was signed as UDFA last year, and is very unlikely to be cut.
Shawn Nelson (6-5, 240, 4.52-40, 1.50-10, 26 years old) of the Bills. He's only had catch totales of 17 and 3 in his 2 seasons, and a drug suspension. The Bills are getting tired of him, and he's got very good TE speed, but he could be cut.
TE/DE Kellen Davis (6-7, 262, 4.59-40, 1.53-10), is only 25 after 3 seasons with the Bears has speed and talent, but hasn't been able to climb the depth chart at TE or DT. His best chance to make the roster at DE, and could be cut.
TE/WR/FB/LB/S Jameson Konz (6-3 1/2, 234, 4.38-40, 46 inch vertical, 10-8 broad jump) of the Seahawks was a rookie last season, but on IR all season. He's a MR. Do-It-All, with 2 college seasons at LB, 1 at S, and TE as a senior, drafted as a FB, and moved to WR as a rookie. He might be caught in a numbers crunch with the Seahawks, and be cut. He has great numbers for a special teams player as he finds a position (probably LB or receiver).
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Shockey, Barnidge, Rosario
With King being the odd man out. Dont see us signing another free agent TE
Agree with you.
Nice summary of what’s available out there, but with Shockey’s signing, it’s very unlikely any other new guys are on the horizon.
We’re set pretty well at the position now (probably were before) – these guys just have to be utilized more effectively, and I’m sure Chud will see to that. Once again, I announce a breakout year for Gary Barnidge. He has too much pass catching potential, from his success at Louisville, to be ignored as egregiously as he was last year.
I think we’ll end up using Shockey as the main guy, with Rosario in on some passing plays and Barnidge as injury insurance.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jun 13, 2011 2:13 AM EDT reply actions
King
did NOT play at Virginia, both he and Andre Smith are former Hokies
and...
Andre Smith is an EXCELLENT pass catcher, but maybe they were watching film of UVA games and not Hokie games
by Seth Woodard on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Not related to the subject at hand really
but I feel pretty bad for Pianalto. One of those shoulda-coulda-woulda prospects. He had the potential to be a Jay Novacek type tight end. One of those “we know it is going to him but we can’t stop it” third down receivers, the ones that eat zone coverages for a snack. Freakish injuries have derailed his future career I’m afraid. (Who breaks their legs jumping to celebrate a TD?)
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Good article PanthersRoar!
Just a little correction for ya…Jeff King played for Virginia Tech rather than UVA. I’d really like to see him and Barnidge stay in Carolina! And hopefully Jeremy Shockey lights it up this season!
I think King is the odd man out.
I think they roll with Shockey-1 Rosario-2 and Barnidge-3. Shockey for obvious reasons, Rosario seems like the kind of tight end that could thrive in Chud’s system and Barnidge as a cheap backup.
Barnidge hasn’t shown much besides a few flashes here and there but he really hasn’t been given many opportunities. Maybe that’s because he hasn’t earned those opportunities in practice, or maybe it’s because Fox valued King’s blocking ability due to his run heavy scheme and Rosario was the receiving TE which left Barnidge the odd man out, or maybe a little of both. But I always thought Barnidge had potential and I’d like to see what creative TE coach may be able to do with him.
I can see a strong case where King would be valuable with a rookie QB because he could definitely use his blocking skill to help protect Cam as he gets acclimated to the NFL. But having a TE that he can dump of to in pressure situations and move the chains will also help relieve that pressure.
I would like to see them get away from the TE by committee system because when you have a “blocking TE” and a “receiving TE” it can be a pretty good indication of what type of play your going to run.
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100% agree.
I also feel that King’s kind of the odd man out here. They signed Shockey, who’s more of an all-around TE than King. Rosario is so athletic that I’d have a hard time letting him go. He’s a good receiver and can take some massive hits. I remember one time earlier in the past season where he took a helmet straight to the hip bone while he was diving for a few more yards. I just knew he was going to be injured, and he popped right back up like he hadn’t even been touched. He also occasionally plays FB – so he offers a bit of versatility. He just needs to work on blocking, but with his athleticism, I have a hard time believing he couldn’t be coached up in that area of his game. Something that could mitigate that is using J-Stew a little more often for blocking and picking up the blitz. He has such a stocky build, and his legs and arms are quite strong (see the constant churning of his legs in power running and stiff arm that bounces some of the best defenders in the league off of the turf).
And I absolutely think Barnidge has talent that we just haven’t had a chance to see yet.
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Carolina needs to seriously address TE in next year's draft
Depending on how the combine and pro days play out a few players to take into consideration are:
Michael Egnew/Mizzou – Last year he caught 90 passes with five TDs. Granted his receiving yards were low for the number of receptions (762) but the numbers suggest he is an awesome short yardage or check down receiver.
David Paulson/Oregon – Had a decent year and helped his team to the BSC title game. He knows how to win and he should get more playing time this year which will improve his numbers (24 receptions for 418 yards).
Orson Charles/UGA, Coby Fleener/Stanford and Rhett Ellison/USC all show flashes of being decent pass catching receivers. I think its not a foregone conclusion that one of these three players could be targeted in the mid to late rounds.
Carolina may go with a pass blocker but I wouldnt be surprised to see them go with someone who fits the Antonio Gates mold. But there still is a year of football to be played (hopefully) and an order to be set.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained...sometimes you have to go against the grain.
by Disciple of Carolina on Jun 13, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
Great Point
That’s a great poing, in fact I was hopeful the Panthers would have drafted TE Rob Housler 6-5 3/8, 248, 34 1/2 inch arms, 4.55-40, nfldraftscout.com list a 4.46-40, 1.49-10) at #97 or 98 this year, but he went to the Cardinals at #69.
Let me add Clemson junior Dwayne Allen (6-4, 255, 4.70-40) to your list, walterfootball.com has him listed as next years to TE, likely a 2nd round pick. A dark horse pick (they say around a 4th to a 6th round pick), Michigan St. redshirt soph. Dion Sims (6-5, 258, 4.61-40). He may not leave early, because he has 2 good senior T’E’s in front of him Brian Linthicum (6-5, 238, 4.74-40) and Garrett Celek (6-5, 245, 4.69-40), Brent Celek’s little brother. A reason Sims might leave early is his year long suspension for last season, and this is no joke, because he was convicted of stealing laptop computers.
by PanthersRoar on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeff King might no be the Superstar TE on the team, but he is very consistent
You know exactly what he brings to the table and you know how he’s going to perform on the field. He may not get a lot of YAC, but he doesn’t drop many catches, either. Dante Rosario and Barnridge were boith very inconsistent, IMO. Both seem to get dropsies at the most inopportune times, and neither can block as well as King.
If I were going to sign one of the three, I’d have to give King the edge. I guess it’s just my conservative nature… =)
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jun 13, 2011 10:55 AM EDT reply actions
actually
King had a much higher percentage rate in dropped passes compared to Rosario. Not to mention, he was even pulled from a game for bonehead penalties last year.
King – 27 targets, 19 receptions, and 2 drops = 7.4 % drops and makes him 14th in NFL for highest percentage dropped by a TE. (27,19,2,7.4%,14).
Rosario – 55,32,2,3.6%,15th in LOWEST % dropped.
I’m totally down for Rosario being the man, even the #1 man. I noticed that most of his targets seemed to be on 3rd and long situations where the defense knew to keep an eye on him closely. I think he’s athletic and given the opportunity, has the potential to be a great TE, if only a qb would get him the ball. I don’t notice how well he is at route running though, so perhaps he sucks at that, I don’t know. King frustrates me too much. That’s just my opinion.
King
caught alot of passes at VT… but the Panthers just haven’t used him right
by Seth Woodard on Jun 13, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
*both
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jun 13, 2011 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
King isn't as explosive a receiver as Rosario or Barnidge.
But he’s a lot more reliable. I’m curious where you got the info that said he wanted to catch more passes? I haven’t heard anything about that.
If it were up to me I’d sign Rosario, I think he could really thrive in Chud’s system. His versatility on offense would also be very useful. I like his potential much more than Gary Barnidge. I think there’s a very good chance Barnidge doesn’t make the final roster. He’s the ultimate tease, he flashes all the athletic ability in the world, but doesn’t do much with his opportunities. He’s the TE version of Dwayne Jarret as far as on field production goes.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions
I think a lot of it depends on how they see the depth chart shaking out.
I think Rosario could thrive in Chudz system, but every offense needs at least one blocking tight end. That guy that can be an extra linemen in short yardage situations with at least fairly reliable hands. Two of Jimmy’s three (three…) TDs last year were to Jeff King on a short yardage play action. I think we’d miss that ability if we had three pass catching TEs in Shockey, Rosario, and Barnidge.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT reply actions
Contrary to almost everyone who has stated their opinion, I see King being re-signed.
We might see 4 TEs make the team. Especially if we only keep 1 FB. So that makes room for Shockey and means we can bring back the three incumbents.
In fact, if anyone does not come back, I think it would be Barnidge or Rosario before King.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
....
And obviously Rosario is the one who is not under contract…so he’d be more likely to go elsewhere.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I had mentioned above that I think King will be re-signed.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Oh, well I missed that. Of course if you think he'll be re-signed, then he's
under contract /jk
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
I think he offers one thing, but is great at it.
The other two incumbent TEs cannot even claim that. Hence me feeling like King will be re-signed.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
King is a fantastic blocker
and an adequate receiver. Rosario is an adequate blocker and shown the ability to be an explosive receiver. I think the latter is a better fit for Chud’s offense.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
King fits in any offense that runs the football with any regularity.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I've seen Rosario pave some running lanes too.
I haven’t really seen King make plays in the passing game with any regularity. He’s a good safety valve, but he has no explosion at all.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest I think we should keep Shockey, Rosario, and King
and just cut Barnidge. I know those two aren’t under contract and Barnidge is, but I think they offer so much more to their game. Shockey is a one, maybe two year rental, and I think Rosario could be a good successor. King is a perfect fit as a #2 TE.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Barnidge should be put on the field to see what he's got before he's just dumped.
I think he’s potentially better than King and Rosario, but that’s just my gut feeling. I could be wrong.
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I think you take all 4 into the preseason
and let Barnidge, Rosario, and King duke it out. I highly doubt there will be a bidding war for one of these guys when FA opens up.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 14, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
With Chud being a former TE
I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of keeping all four TEs.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
i don't know Xs and Os all that well so this is an earnest question
is there such a thing as a 2 TE set?
Yes.
The panthers used it quite often with Fox.
But if you watch the Chargers when Chud was there, they would use more three WR sets with one TE and one RB.
When your are in the goal-line offense, you have three TEs on the field. But most teams will use an extra OL in one of those spots, leaving two TEs.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Oh sure, he's *potentially* better than those two.
That’s the key word there though. His entire career here he has given us only one play to point to. King led the team in receptions one year, Rosario has the Catch against San Diego. Barnidge has a 50+ yard reception in a blowout, late in the year, when we had already been eliminated. He’s had his opportunities on the field, but he hasn’t capitalized on them. That’s not Fox’s fault.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He has hardly had his opportunities...
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I want to see him try and catch the ball with regularity in game conditions
Before we dump him.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Really?
He started preseason at #1 a couple years back, how long did that last? I remember seeing him a lot Week 1 last year, to the tune of 0 catches. Are we going to have to put him in there and force feed the ball to him before we’re willing to say he’s a busted draft pick like we did with Jarret?
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but it would be nice to see him in an offense that actually uses the tight end position for something other than blocking for the running back.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
That hasn't been a problem for King and Rosario.
They’ve both produced in the same situation.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
They've also had double or triple the opportunity that Barnidge has had.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Rosario and King were both behind incumbents on the depth chart.
They showed enough in their limited time on the field to warrant more. Not so with Barnidge.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
"He’s had his opportunities on the field, but he hasn’t capitalized on them."
Well, FINALLY, you’ve come around and realized that Clausen is a waste of space and money. Took you long enough.
I had to read your post twice to see that….
…wait…you’re talking about Barnidge……damn.
I know I'm picking on your boy here.
But leave mine out of it, he’s been here one year, Barnidge has been here three. They’ve both been underwhelming to say the least.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
In terms of plays on the field, I hope even you wouyld agree that "your boy" has had many, many more opportunities to show talent, than has "my boy."
So capitalizing on opportunities can best be defined by touches, not months on the sideline.
Barnidge might have been in an offensive set 4-5 times a game, and Clausen 60 each time he started. No comparison as to who failed to take advantage of opportunities.
Barnidge would be more comparable to Tony Pike, in chances afforded them – or Armanti Edwards, to open yet another can of worms.
I would not have entered this discussion, had you not so steadfastly supported Clausen, on the grounds that he needs more time to develop and grow – yet you cast Barnidge aside as a failure, when he’s had far, far fewer chances on the field. Think about it that way, and see if my analogy doesn’t have merit.
by bigdavis on Jun 15, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would not have entered this discussion, had you not so steadfastly supported Clausen, on the grounds that he needs more time to develop and grow – yet you cast Barnidge aside as a failure, when he’s had far, far fewer chances on the field.
This is my point exactly. Well stated, and rec’d.
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You can't compare a QB and a TE.
Especially when the TE has been here three seasons. There is so much more to the QB situation that you can’t make a judgement definitively after ten starts. Not to mention we have more invested in Clausen, which gives us more reason to continue to try and develop him. Barnidge has had three seasons and hasn’t developed hardly at all from what I have seen on the field. Of course Clausen will have more evalutation opportunities, the QB touches the ball on every play. You can’t compare the two.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I give up. Think what you want to.
You completely miss my point, and I’m tired of trying to get you to understand it.
If you can’t make a judgment on Clausen after the shitty performance he gave last year, well then I really don’t know what else to say.
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I really hate to quote he who shall not be named.
Especially given the circumstances of defending a QB. But reading is FUNdamental. I said you can’t make a definitive judgement after ten starts. You can judge, nothing’s stopping you from doing that after one game. We’re hardwired to judge. But in my opinion, you can’t close the book on Clausen’s career after ten starts his rookie year.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone’s closing the book on his career, they’re just closing said book on his career as a Carolina Panthers starter.
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Been watching all the games from 2010 again with my snazzy NFL Rewind subscription…
He was A.W.F.U.L.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
You don't have to convince me...I noticed it the first time.
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That I can understand.
I’d put him behind Cam and a vet at this point. But we still have to try and recoup value, which is why I’m in favor of giving him another chance. We say our offense will look completely different with better coaching, I think that could hold true for Clausen.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
But for me, FW...
His biggest problem didn’t have anything to do with coaching. He was scared. Rarely, if ever is that ‘fixed.’
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
See: Carr, David
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I saw that as well.
I’m hoping he gets over it enough to where we can get as close to that second round pick as possible back.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Trading him for a 6th rounder and keeping Pike is recouping value IMO…we’d be robbing someone blind by getting that much in return based on 2010’s performance.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
We spent a second rounder on him.
I’d rather try and get closer to that.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I very seriously doubt that will happen...
Unless you can convince Pete Carroll that his poor 2010 was because he couldn’t throw to Golden Tate…
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Who knows?
If he looks semi-respectable like I think he will with a new coaching staff then we could get some value out of him. The Browns got Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think a new coaching staff is going to be able to stop him from chucking it to the cheerleaders when he sees a defender closing in on him. I don’t think a new coaching staff is going to “un-scared” him. His flaws aren’t coachable, IMO, they’re due to him being afraid in the pocket.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
We always brag about how our coaches are excellent teachers.
I have faith they can coach him up.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure they are excellent teachers...
But you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken $#!+…
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Now see I just think someone put crap in the chicken salad.
I think Shula and Co. can pull it out.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
But who would want to eat chicken salad that had shit in it?
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If you dared someone to they might.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Well of course they would…no one backs down from a dare. :-)
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I want to rec this whole exchange.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
It is a good one.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Especially a triple dog dare.
(insert appropriate photo from a certain Christmas movie please) :)
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Pick up a mid/ low level vet TE after cuts
Shockey, Banrnidge and then bring in a few UFA’s for training camp, if few impress hold on to them or on place them on the practice squad. Look at a mid level vet TE cut during training camp.
I also would be fine with Rosario staying with the team if there are no other options.
We WILL need to address the TE position next year through the draft or free agency.
Cut all three of the previous TE's
Sorry but Barnidge has been here forever and done nothing, Rosario is nothing more then a FB stuck in a TE’s body, and J. King is nothing more then a blocker/traffic cone with stone hands and zero speed.
Fox never thought much of the TE positon which is why we have CRAP at the positon until we picked up Shockey to start but we need quality backups just in case shockey goes done.
Everyone would love to have Z. Miller but if we wanted him Shockey wouldn’t have been signed.
Personally I would like to see us pickup W. Saunders as a 3rd string TE / special teams and then pickup another veteran to complete our TE rotation.
Sorry but Barnidge, King, Rosario will not be Carolina Panthers in 2011.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 13, 2011 4:51 PM EDT reply actions
I was kind of dissapointed that we did not look at DJ Williams any harder in the draft.
He was what, a 5th rounder? He could have potentially been our franchise guy…in the 4th or 5th round. We all know we need a franchise TE.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Respect your opinion Holty_Panthers_Fan,
but that’s a pretty brazen statement saying all three will be gone. I believe all three have great potential, and for Jeff King to have been a walk-on at Virginia Tech and then having played this long in the NFL says a lot about his ability. I believe two, if not all three will be back bc the new staff will be interested to see what they’ve got. Either way, I’m looking forward to the upcoming season, whenever that may be! Let’s go Panthers!
Shockey, Barnidge and Pryor
Let’s make it happen Coach Rivera..
Coach Rivera, may we please have one of these FA Nnamdi Asomugha or Jonathan Joseph
I wouldn't mind seeing Pryor brought in
as a TE or WR. He could definitely help make our offense even more lethal!
Also...
When Jeff King was a Hokie, he caught all kinds of passes, I heard his name over and over during Hokie games…
I got the feelin' that King will be in Denver next year.
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
That's Possible, Denver Cut Daniel Graham
Dinver has cut TE Daniel Graham, a top blocking TE, but still has TE Richard Quinn taken for his blocking in the 2nd round of the 2009 draft. However the Broncos just drafted 2 receiving TE’s, Julius Thomas at #129, and Virgil Green at #204, so it depends on how many TE’s they want on their roster.
by PanthersRoar on Jun 14, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Barnidge good?
I hear he has a lot of potential, but hes been in a league a while now with really nothing to show for it..
Definitely good on special teams. And he made an incredible catch and run on a seam pass
2 years ago. The kid can play if he’s coached up a little; he just wasn’t a Fox Fave.
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
butterfingers
Not sure what the stats say, but he hasn’t made the most of his few game chances when he’s been on the field. Hopefully Chud sees something in him that Fox didn’t use, and if not, oh well. I’ll trust Chud on TE evaluations any day.
agreed.
He’s the ultimate tease as far as a TE goes. All the physical tools, but he doesn’t capitalize in game. One play is all we can point to to say we should keep him.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 14, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny, it's one more play than a certain QB has that people are begging to give one more chance...
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Like I told bigdavis.
Clausen has been here one year, Barnidge has been here three. Had Kasay been his usual automatic self against Cleveland we’d have a signature moment to point to for Clausen. As it is, I remember one play against Pittsburgh. James Harrison is crashing in on a blitz from Clausen’s blind side, virtually unblocked. It’s 3rd and long, he pump fakes to freeze Harrison in the air, rolls out to his left and throws a dart downfield to Mike Goodson for a first down. It’s not much in the grand scheme of things, but seeing a veteran move like that from a rookie QB made me stand up off of my couch. I think with some coaching we could see plays like that on a more regular basis.
But this thread is about TE’s, not Clausen, so let’s not derail it.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh we'll definitely see them...from Cam Newton.
But your’e right, it’s about TE’s and your agenda against Barnidge. I think he’s going to prove you wrong this year.
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We'll see.
We’ve said it’s his breakout year for the past three, I’m still waiting.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
We're all still waiting.
But he’s shown he can do it; he just sat in the corner last year.
In 2009, he averaged over 20 yards per catch. He threw no INTs, he never fumbled (the snap, or the handoff), and he never threw the ball in the cheerleader section.
Clausen had his chance – he blew it, like his nose on his sleeve.
Barnidge hasn’t yet been afforded that chance. He was a better receiving TE in college than either King or Rosario were – he can be in the NFL, if Chud goes to him. Having paid his dues for 3 years, toiling on ST, he deserves a chance to start, despite your disrespect for him.
I really hope that Chud (being a former TE coach) sees what we really have in Barnidge and uses him to his ability this season. It’s time the kid gets a chance to get on the field and be a possible go-to TE for the offense.
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He's a TE.
i’d be really worried if he was throwing it to the cheerleaders…..
Despite what you say, Barnidge has indeed been given the chance. He started training camp his second year as the #1 TE, didn’t capitalize. He’s seen time on the field all three years and hasn’t made plays. Dante Rosario was in the same boat, but he showed enough to warrant being given more playing time. Barnidge hasn’t. There’s more to playing in the NFL than size and speed, everyone gets caught up in measurables but the only thing that matters is production. Barnidge isn’t the only guy on the team to have limited playing time, the difference between him and the other young guys I’m excited for is that they have produced with their limited opportunites. Barnidge has 12 catches in three seasons.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 15, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Ummm...what has Clausen produced?
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*other than the need to draft another QB?
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Shitty drawers?
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
That's Matt Ryan...
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We're talking about TE's here.
Not QB’s.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 16, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
To chime in on the Barnidge thing...
I just want to see if they guy can consistently catch the ball and get some yards after the catch, not fumble, and even split out wide a little.
I don’t think he’s really had an opportunity to do that over the course of a game. I mean, he’s averaged what, 5 or 6 offensive snaps when he’s dressed over the last three seasons.
Plus, no one has really mentioned his value on special teams. He was in the top three in special teams tackles last season.
(And he’s under contract.)
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Special teams is why I think he'll stick on the roster. That and he's under contract.
But it’s not too hard to replace a STer.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Replacing one who can play TE is tougher. He’s a two-fer-one.
Again, I know we’ll have Shockey, but I’d like the guy to get like 50 snaps in the first game of season. If he flops, keep him in his ST role and let his contract play out. At least that way we know what we got week one, instead of trying to force a round peg into a square hole for a few snaps a game for 15 more games.
You never know, the guy could catch 6 balls for 100 yards and two TDs and we could see him breakout right then and there. We just don’t know because we haven’t seen the guys get an extended amount of snaps.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
He's started six games during his time here.
I saw him quite a bit in the opener last year. I don’t have the exact snap numbers so I can’t say for sure, but we may have already tried what you suggested.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
All "started" means in the NFL is he was on the field for the first snap.
It doesn’t mean he’s been on the field for any significant amount of time. He hasn’t been given nearly enough of a chance in the time he’s been here to show what he can do.
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Stop wasting your breath, bw.
FlowingWillow is doing the Procton/Jake thing. He’s so hung up on Clausen that he can’t admit he’s had far more of a chance to prove what he’s got, than has Barnidge.
It’s all repetition now.
haha, I pointed out the exact same thing above
Before reading this. I would hope I’m coming across a lot more respectful and courteous than MP.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
You are...barely.
/kidding
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You don’t go around hitting people with the equivalent of an internet 2×4. So yes, you are.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Appreciate it.
Although being a legend here would be pretty sweet. ;)
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
If it makes you feel better...
You’re one of the only posters here that no one can figure out is a dude, even though your sig says you are. :-)
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But in all seriousness...
You’re on of the good guys around these here parts, FW, even if you are a little too attached to Jimmy and have unbridled hate for Barnidge ;-)
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Thanks, appreciate that.
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by Flowing Willow on Jun 17, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
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