Panthers 2010 Position Review: DT
by Jaxon on Jun 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT
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We continue our 2010 position review Panther fans looking now at the defensive tackle (DT) position. This position was in most fans views one of the weaker positions on the team in 2010. Though you could argue the offense kept them on the field way too much the Panther leaders at defensive tackle in 2010 were hardly considered elite in 2010, more like average to pedestrian at best. Yet when you consider their two starters at the beginning fo the season were a 5th round pick and a UDFA it's hardly surprising they failed to impress. We'll take a look at each of the DTs from 2010 that made a contribution worth discussing, starting with last years game one starters:
2010 Stats: 43 tackles (30 solo) 3.0 sacks, 1 FR, 1 PD in 16 starts
Landri's 43 total tackles in 2010 led the Panthers at the position and was good for a tie at 15th among DT/NGs in the NFL.The 30 solo registered tied for 16th best overall. Essentially middle of the pack statistics overall but honestly not bad for a 5th round pick in his 5th season. Landri played the RDT position with usually a one gap assignment. Often he succeeded at getting in the backfield only to miss the tackle for loss. The fact is the Panthers got all they could have hoped for from Landri in 2010 which unfortunately was not near enough.
Grade: C+
2010 Stats: 22 Tackles (15 solo) 2 PDs, 1 INT in 6 starts and 12 games
The Panthers took a flyer on Johnson in 2010 in hopes he could regain his rookie form but instead they mostly got the same guy the Colts cut after 2009. At one point Johnson was inactive and in John Fox's doghouse for unspecified reasons for a game here and there. We can only assume it was for a lack of production. He did have one very good game against the Bengals (6 tackles) but otherwise was pedestrian in his 12 games. His biggest play of the season was picking off a pass against Jay Cutler (imagine that) that was the epitome of a blind squirrel finding a nut. As the LDT or under tackle (or even NG) as some call it in a 4-3, Johnson job was to engage blockers, preferably more than one and allow the Panther LBs the lanes to stuff the running game. To this end Johnson was effective for short periods of a game but he wore down as the season progressed. He sat the last two games, with an injury I believe but have no desire to actually look it up!
Grade: D
Nick Hayden
2010 Stats: 31 tackles (20 solo) 1 sack, 1 PD in 10 starts and 14 games
Once Ed Johnson lost his starting job Hayden got the call and essentially made the most of his limited athletic ability, at least when it comes to playing the LDT spot. Hayden is vastly under sized for what he was asked to do but I will say the kid played with the proverbial non-stop motor. Problem was too often on 3rd and short he simply could not hold the point of attack.
Grade: C
2010 Stats: 10 tackles (8 solo) in 7 games
The undrafted rookie from Temple beat the odds when he made the final roster cut down last season. In his short time on the field he flashed some ability to get up field and make plays as a one gap penetrator. Consequently given his status as probably the last guy to make the roster I give him the highest grade of the group for making us notice him towards the end of the season when we could barely what was unfolding before our eyes.
Grade: B
2010 Stats: 4 Tackles (3 solo) in 2 games
It's hard to grade a guy that has hardly seen the field in two seasons, the first lost to injury and the 2nd continuing to recover. It doesn't bode well that he could garner more playing time sitting behind such a weak group of players.
Grade:D
2010 Stats: 2 tackles (1 solo) in 2 games
In what seemed like a value pick-up prior to the 2009 season from Cleveland Leonard played in two games in 2010 before cutting cut after week 3.
Grade: F
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So glad to see the drafting of two DT’s. Hope we can pick up a solid Vet in FA. Our DT unit will be MUCH improved if this happens.
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Good stuff Jaxon
This really did highlight just how much we needed those two DTs.
Hopefully the organization can find a way to add a veteran through free agency also.
Landri is a 3rd or 4th guy,
A pass-rush specialist at the DT spot, if you will. Hopefully, in McClain, we’ve found a 3 down player. And in Fua, lets hope he can hold the point against the run on 1st and 2nd down.
Even with the two third rounders, that is still what our DT position is…hopeful.
Too echo what James said above, we definitely need some more bodies. I’m not sure there are too many feasible veteran options, though, so we may see a few URFA come in and compete for a spot. Gotta figure that McClain, Fua, and Landri are going to be on the squad. So we’ve got one or two more spots left, assuming Corvey Irvin has ran out of time.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Yup.
I like most of his picks, particularly in the 1st round (and I’m really not trying to start a riot here) but in rounds 2-4, Marty is batting about .250.
Bruce Nelson
Eric Shelton
Attiyah Ellison
Keary Colbert
Rashad Butler
Dwayne Jarrett
I know, I know, every GM has skeletons in there closet, but there has been a noticeable lack of solid, team-composing picks in these middle three rounds.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 1, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hurney should just trade all his 2nd-5th round picks to get 20 picks in the 6th-7th rounds, where he seems to find a lot of talent (Hardy, Gettis, Munnerlyn, etc.).
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Hey, if it works.
We’ll take the guys everyone else looks past.
Shoot, I’m fairly certain that you could create a team of former 6th and 7th rounders (and maybe former URFAs) and beat the piss out of a team of former first-round guys. (Not telling you anything you don’t know here, just a thought.)
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 1, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
and then take the cap room
to get a few truly elite Free Agents?
by panthersnbraves on Jun 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Some of his hits.
Will Witherspoon
Travelle Wharton
Richard Marshall
James Anderson
Ryan Kalil
Charles Johnson
Charles Godfrey
Dan Connor
Sherrod Martin
Mike Goodson
All have played very valuable roles for us during their tenure, and you could throw in guys like Deshaun Foster and Ricky Manning too as well.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 1, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You have a talent of not reading disclaimers, dude.
I like most of his picks, particularly in the 1st round…
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
He read it right
Every player he listed is a 2-4th round pick.
But he ignored the first part, which IMO is the most important part:
I like most of his picks…
Based on this phrase, one would assume that ERL didn’t mention the players that FW brought up because ERL likes those picks, and was focusing on the few that he didn’t like.
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Thanks, BW.
Yes, I just wanted to point out the fact that Marty’s ‘misses’ if you will, are more often in the 2-4 rounds. I’m not calling for his head or anything, I’ve just kind of started to slightly temper my expectations for the players picked in the middle rounds.
Marty Hurney is ten times the GM I could ever be.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Only ten?
(Couldn’t resist. I’m sure you understand.)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I thought ten might be a bit low after I typed it.
Danny Morrison: “No Sir, I didn’t see you playing with your dolls again.”
Me the GM: “Good. Carry on then.” (As I repeatedly smash my Beason doll into a Drew Brees doll, causing it to break into 1,000 pieces.)
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
by ERL on Jun 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
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LOL I'm too much of a homer to be a GM
ME: “No seriously guys. Just wait. It’s Everette Brown’s breakout year. 11 sacks. And Armanti is going to catch like 30 balls and 5 TDs in the second half of the season. And this dude Corey Irvin, his time to shine.”
MORRISON: And Jimmeh? (Yes, Danny Morrison calls him Jimmeh)
ME: (long pause) Duke Robinson’s going to come to camp in shape.
MORRISON: And Jimmeh?
ME: Did I mention Richard Marshall’s a dick?
by BusyBeingAwesome on Jun 2, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
Well played. Rec'd.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Me, too.
C’mon, boys – too good not to go Green.
Not made green by a boy...
But I made it green, nonetheless. =)
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The part that said "he's batting around .250" caught my attention more.
Apologies for jumping on you like that. I think most of us are a little on edge about that given the recent storm of criticism being directed at the organization in general. Simply showing why Marty Hurney is considered one of the best GM’s in the league.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 2, 2011 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, well the .250 might be hyperbole.
Just that its a fairly common batting average in baseball, wherein actuality the .448 he’s batting in rounds 2-4 is largely unattainable (unless they thaw out Ted Williams).
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
(and sew his head back on to his body)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I was like “seriously, people?”
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Yeah, I still haven’t figured that one out.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Apparently Walt Disney is in the same cryo-chamber facility, too.
Me personally, If I’ve missed several decades, even a century (which they very well may before a way to re-animate them is discovered) there’s no way in hell I’d want to come back.
I mean, if Disney came back and saw Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber he’d probably start running back to the freezer.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
I'm not a baseball fan at all, I know .300 is pretty good as far as batting goes..
Me personally I couldn’t stand not doing anything above .500, it’s the perfectionist in me. So yeah that’s probably why that went over my head as well.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Jun 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I can't watch baseball, either.
In person with a beer and a dog…maybe.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Commie bastard.
(just kidding…maybe)
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
BW, are you watching Red Dawn…again?
Swayze is boss.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Caught red handed. :-)
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I didn't hit him that hard because I wonder if he wasn't still recovering from the major knee surgery
He played and should have received more PT considering Neblett got more than he did.
I think this is the year to watch him
He has a good skill set. He can still turn out to be a good 3tech
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by Thee Steve Johnson on Jun 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at the future
I really have high hopes for Fua and McClain, mostly McClain b/c he seems like more of a 3 down player.
Although getting a FA DT wouldn’t hurt at all I really hope that we have some overachievers on the D-line this year (or breakout years ala CJ last year)
Or at least take up blockers and let our awesome LB’s roam and destroy
That's My Two Cents.....Both Heads Up
I really want a big 330+ lb. 6'4" NT
Then I will be able to breathe easy
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by Thee Steve Johnson on Jun 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT reply actions
Shouldn't you try an oxygen mask first?
I hear they’re helpful when you have trouble breathing.
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Being an uneducated Australian......
I do not understand all the nuances of D-Line play so I am really appreciative of the efforts you guys go to of breaking down all this stuff. Thanks guys!
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