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Panthers 2011 Draft Pick Profile: WR Kealoha Pilares

After addressing needs at the quarterback, defensive tackle, and cornerback positions with the team's first four picks in the 2011 Draft, the Panthers decided to add some depth to the receiving corps when they drafted Hawaii slot receiver Kealoha Pilares with the first selection in the fifth round (#132 overall).

Pilares was a bit of an unknown commodity to most fans thanks in part to playing college ball for the University of Hawai'i and for not participating at the 2011 NFL Combine. In fact, I knew little about Pilares before researching for this article, so I must admit that when the pick was initially made it was a bit of a head scratcher for me, because I was left wondering why the front office would use a draft pick on a kid who measures 5'10", 199 lbs., especially when they used three draft picks on the wide receiver position in last year's draft (including the oft-criticized trade for Armanti Edwards).

After doing some research on Pilares' career at Hawai'i, and after watching some impressive highlight reels of some of his performances for the Warriors, I am quite convinced that the Panthers have made a draft selection that will reap huge dividends in the near future.

We will explore what Pilares brings to the table for the Panthers after the jump...

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Strengths:

Pilares has several strengths in his game, and the first (and probably most important) of which is his ability to make defenders miss in the open field. Pilares is seen as a shifty runner in open space, and he runs like a running back when he catches the ball in the open field. (Of course, this makes sense because he converted from running back to receiver in the 2009 season at Hawai'i.)

Pilares is a good route runner who is not afraid to go over the middle. He has the ability to get open on underneath routes and can also sneak behind defensive backs thanks to his smaller size. Even though he's not the biggest guy on the field, he has the ability to run over defenders when he has the ball in his hands, partly because of his instincts as a running back.

Last season at Hawai'i, Pilares had 6 games where he recorded over 100 receiving yards, 9 games where he caught more than 5 passes, 4 games where he had more than 1 receiving touchdown, and only 3 games where he did not score a touchdown (Utah State, Boise State, and Tulsa). His most notable game from 2010 came against USC, where he caught 5 passes for 176 yards and three touchdowns, but his biggest game was against Louisiana Tech, where he had 18 receptions(!) for 217 yards and 2 touchdowns.

If you want to see highlights of Pilares' three touchdowns against USC, they are herehere, and here.

One of Pilares' biggest strengths is something that can't be measured with stats. He has one of the best attitudes of any young player that I've seen in a long time, and he has a tremendous work ethic. The day he was drafted he made sure that he completed his daily workout routine before celebrating the fact that he had just been drafted to play in the NFL, and to me that signals that he is a player who fits right in with the vision that Ron Rivera has for the Panthers football team. He comes across as a guy who will do the work necessary to succeed in the NFL, and if he doesn't pan out it won't be because he failed to put forth the proper effort to use his talent to the best of his ability.

Here is a video of an interview with Pilares, during which he says that one of his goals is helping the team win. (You have to love the attitude from this kid. I think he's going to fit right in with the Panthers way of doing things.)

Also be sure to check out this video of Pilares clean lifting 360 lbs. (keep in mind he's 5'10", 199 lbs.).

Weaknesses:

Like every player who's picked after the 2nd round, Pilares does have a few weaknesses (if he didn't have any weaknesses, he would have been a top-10 pick). Pilares is somewhat hampered by the fact that he lacks the height found in typical receivers, and he's not a thread to stretch the field by getting open on deep routes. Even though he runs a sub-4.5 40, he is criticized for having "limited speed" (his 4.11 short shuttle and 6.85 3-cone drill were a little on the slow side when compared to other prospects). The fact that he converted to wide receiver from running back also hinders him because he has the hands of a running back, resulting in him getting a case of the dropsies from time to time.

Value of Pick:

His draft grade by NFL.com was 3.1 (out of 10), which put him as a late round to undrafted prospect. By comparison, AJ Green was graded at 8.6, Julio Jones was graded at 8.4, Jonathan Baldwin was graded at 6.9, and Leonard Hankerson was graded at 6.7. Walter Football projected Pilares to be either a 7th round pick or a UDFA, so according to Walter Football, Pilares was a bit of a reach since the Panthers took him in the top of the 5th round. However, Pro Football Weekly draft expert Nolan Nawrocki projected Pilares as a 4th-5th round pick, so according to him the Panthers took the receiver where he should have been taken in the draft. 

Click here to see PFW's draft profile of Pilares.

According to many "experts", the Panthers did not get much value out of this pick. But, if I know anything about the Panthers front office and new coaching staff, they wouldn't have made this choice if they didn't see something worth taking. One thing that must be taken into consideration is that Pilares did not participate at the combine because of a PCL injury, and he ran drills at his Pro Day just three months after recovering from the injury.

Starting Potential:

Pilares' starting potential is dependent upon what the Panthers do with Steve Smith. If they trade him, then Pilares will be expected to contribute immediately as the team's slot receiver. If the Panthers decide to keep Steve Smith (or are unable to get a reasonable offer for him), then Pilares will most likely be used in a reserve role. Regardless of whether Pilares is a starter or not, he looks to be a focal point of the offense because of his ability to gain yards in open space, and he will be a dynamic addition to the receiver corps.

Fit in Depth Chart:

Right now Pilares is 4th on the depth chart, depending on how the coaching staff feels about Armanti Edwards. Pilares will probably move up the depth chart if Steve Smith is traded, but if Smitty remains a Panther for the 2011 season, Pilares figures to stay 4th or 5th on the depth chart for his rookie campaign. Regardless of where he stacks up to the other receivers on the roster, don't be surprised to see his name called on Sundays as the Panthers look to take advantage of more 3-4 receiver sets in Chudzinski's offense.

Summary:

Pilares directly compares to New England's slot receiver Wes Welker. Pilares is slightly bigger, faster, and stronger than Welker, and Pilares will look to model his career after the Patriots receiver who has overachieved throughout his career by being one of the deadliest slot receivers in the league.

A lot of analysts believe that we reached for Pliares in the 5th round, but I happen to think that we took the steal of the draft by taking the kid from Hawai'i at #132 overall. Time will only tell, but I truly believe that in three years we will be laughing all the way to the bank with this pick.

Stay tuned to CSR for the remaining profiles of all of the Panthers 2011 draft class.

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Nice write-up on the Flyin' Hawaiian (anybody?) ... I honestly believe this kid has

the ability to be an elite receiver, whether in the slot or outside. His explosiveness off the line, his surprising strength, and 40+ inch vertical all make me think we can soon recover if Agent 89 leaves town.

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 8, 2011 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Flyin' Hawaiian....I LOVE IT!!!

I really like this pick ! I know it’s early but dare I say the second coming of Steve Smith…it seems he has the potential. I look forward to seeing him on the field this year (hopefully with this stupid lockout).

by Newtonium on May 8, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excerpt from NFL DraftScout.com"

“04/01/11 – Pilares vowed to run at UH’s pro day, a combine that would draw more than 50 NFL scouts and decision-makers. The buzz on Pilares was that he had marginal speed; some scouting services estimated his 40-yard time at 4.6 seconds. "I’m not sure why they would think that," said Pilares, who often was one of the fastest Warriors in speed and agility testing. In the summer of 2009, Pilares was timed in the 40 at 4.37 seconds while training in Atlanta. "I wanted to show that I’m fast," Pilares said of his pro-day goal. "I told everybody I was going to run under 4.5. They looked at me like I was on crack." But Pilares had worked out intensively in Arizona the past six weeks. He learned the proper sprinter’s techniques, from the quick start to the correct arm motions. Yesterday, Pilares was credited with running the 40 in 4.42 seconds. One scout listed his time at 4.37 seconds. The 4.42 time would have been one of the fastest at the NFL combine, where the fastest receiver was 4.37 and the fourth-best was 4.43. "When you hear ‘fast,’ my name does not come up," Pilares said. "Even at school it was like that, even when I was the fastest in some of the drills." At pro day, Pilares had the best vertical jump (40-1/2 inches), broad jump (10 feet 5), short shuttle (4.11 seconds) and long shuttle (6.85 seconds). – Stephen Tsai, Honolulu Star-Advertiser "

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=73947&draftyear=2011&genpos=WR

(and they had ranked #40 among WRs, not even being worthy of being drafted! I think they overestimated the effect of his partially torn PCL, which did not require surgery.)

by bigdavis on May 8, 2011 3:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Dope pick but.....

I luv this pick and think he will b a baller in the slot, but i dunno if he can be a #1….in all honesty, i can only go by the highlights ive seen, but can he attack the ball in the air (which in my opinion is one of the things that makes stevie such a baller at only 5’11") and can he run the whole route tree? He is a beast after the catch, but can he seperate against a #1 or 2 cb?…I personally hope so cuz i am liking wut Ive seen from him thus far.

by GorjissBleu on May 8, 2011 4:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Smith is 5'9"

We don’t need Pilares to line up on the outside, just the slot. We have Lafell and Gettis for the outside.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 8, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

A future star

The only knock I have on him is his injury, otherwise I personally think he was our best pick in the draft.

by Blahbla on May 8, 2011 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Hogan was our best pick

Hogan>Pilares>Ziemba>McClain>WIlliams for me.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 8, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope he's our next Smitty..

But before we crown him, can we make sure the dropsies get addressed? That’s definitely something that scares me in a guy that’s supposed to be a slot receiver. He may be uber-elusive in the open field, but he needs to look the ball in and secure it before he starts making all those people miss.
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by dowhatchado on May 8, 2011 5:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Like BigD said above...

I think a lot of people have taken the PCL injury too seriously. If it were a situation like Thomas Davis where he had an ACL injury, tore it again on a simple backpedal drill, had to have another surgery, and it took a long time to recover…then I’d be concerned. Pilares’s deal was a relatively minor injury, not requiring surgery, and he was ready-to-go at his pro day.

I know I’ve pointed out Smitty’s recent increase in drops as a concern, but that’s because he’s a vet and hasn’t had that problem before. “Dropsies” concern me less when we’re talking rookies – some good coaching and work with a jug machine can make a pretty quick improvement. As I’ve said before – compare LaFell’s hands at the very beginning of the season to just a few weeks into it. There was a significant improvement. So I’m not terribly concerned about Pilares’s hands as of yet.

He seems like a really strong, tough player who loves physical play (btw – that clean lift is sick). He clearly has a killer work ethic as he didn’t even take a break from working out after he was drafted. I’m excited about the pick.

Assuming Smitty is not a Panther next season, and assuming we don’t pick up any big-time FA WRs, I see the depth chart as Gettis/LaFell/Pilares – you have your two big receivers on the outside and Pilares in the slot. I hope AE doesn’t get lost in the mix – he’s one of the faster guys (4.40 40-yd.) and I imagine he could stretch the field.

(Man, that’s a super-young WR corp. We really need a vet WR – and a vet CB while we’re at it.)

by jamiedk on May 8, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Great thoughts here, especially about the dropsies. That’s really my main concern with the kid. Injuries will heal (though I’d prefer taking guys with a clean bill of health in the draft) but guys that can’t catch don’t last and don’t seem to get many chances. I hope, like you said, they coach it out of him and he’s beastly in the coming seasons.

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by dowhatchado on May 8, 2011 6:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Our WR coach Fred Graves is legendary for curing the dropsies.

Just ask the Titans receivers, he had them catching bricks in practice from what I hear.

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by Flowing Willow on May 8, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Catching bricks???

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 8, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best quote:

“You guys look like a bunch of re****ds trying to f*** a doorknob!”

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 9, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL classic!

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by BW Smith on May 9, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it.

One of the funniest movies of all time.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually I think it's more common than you think.

I heard a story about Jerry Rice, how when he was younger he’d lie on his back and close his eyes. His father would then drop a brick and Rice would have to open his eyes and catch it before it hit his face. Not sure how true that is, but interesting story nonetheless.

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by Flowing Willow on May 9, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rice's dad was a brick mason and his sons helped him in the business.

Jerry would catch bricks from his dad and brothers on the job site.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe he will kick ass in the NFL

Experts generally don’t seem to know much.

by jdough on May 8, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I was going to comment about not being able to block quote on my phine

And the I went and reply-failed.

Crap.

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by dowhatchado on May 8, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Sigh

Phone*
Then*
idiot*

I give up.

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by dowhatchado on May 8, 2011 6:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

what it sounds like

is this kid will be returning punts. armanti edwards could get cut if this kid can handle punt return duties. it’s gonna be a real battle.

by usana_gaines on May 8, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what you want though... a battle!!!

Training camp battle between Lafell and Gettis for the #1 spot, and Edwards and Pilaras for the #3 spot. With that much competition at the wideout position there are bound to be a great unit.

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by Caro2daheart... on May 8, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Love the pick...

Still wish we could keep Smith though… Stay Smith… you have someone that can hit you on that deep route now!!!

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by Caro2daheart... on May 8, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most exciting pick, IMO

The kid’s got guts and strength and desire. This could be huge, y’all. I can’t wait!

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by Panther Fan in GA on May 8, 2011 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Pilares was a great value pick

Honestly I was like so many when we selected a WR in the fifth round but still with Smitty all but gone (San Diego, Raven, or Oakland according to reports) then drafting Pilares serves to purposes. Pilares if Smitty leaves could become the slot receiver the team has lacked since Prohel was released. Or Pilares if Smitty stays will get to learn from one of the all time greats at the WR positon in Smith, So either way this is a pickup / draft pick we really cannot miss on.

I still think Smitty is going to be traded b.c. A) he wants to go back home to Cali B) He wants to play with an established veteran QB and all three teams the Raiders – Campbell, Ravens-Flacco, Chargers – Rivers have such players C) Smitty knows he only has two years left in the tank as far as being a starting WR in the NFL, aka he knows his time is about up and he wants to try and win a championship and he knows that we are in year two of a three year rebuilding project an when we are capable of winning it all again Smitty’s career is going to be all but over for a speedy-undersized WR such as himself. I would trade Smitty as soon as the lockout is over, you don’t want another L. Coles situation similar to what the Jets had to do a couple of seasons ago. Once speedy undersized receivers loose a step they have little to know value. We need to trade Smitty and hell Clausen as well (and yes Jimmy has trade value believe it or not) and get something for them.

Our WR depth chart without smitty:

1- D. Gettis
2- B. LaFell
3- K. Pilares
4-W.Wright ( still under contract from a year ago)
5- C. Martin/A.Edwards/T. Guy/D. Clowney or other

So even without Smitty we still have a more then capable bunch of young gun WR’s to use.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on May 8, 2011 9:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The Panthers were interested in Randall Cobb

There were reports about how we spent time with him and it makes me wonder if we would have taken him if he had fallen to us at #65. I was under the impression that it was simply due diligence but it appears that they seriously wanted more options for the slot – guys who can be a threat down the field and extract value out of pitch and catch plays.

To be honest, I think Pilares impresses largely due to the stats he put up along with his versatility. In 2010, Hawaii had 73% pass plays (not including the QB runs). There are several guys out of Hawaii that have put up ridiculous stats but the only one that has had success in the NFL is Davone Bess.

by pieterzen on May 9, 2011 3:36 AM EDT reply actions  

If he can approach Davone Bess' level of production, it'll be worth it...

I do think we need to temper expectations a bit in regards to any WR’s success in our offense this year; It’s still a run based offense (expect it to look similar to our offense circa 2003), and with so much youth at WR and QB, you’ve got to expect that the play-calling is going to be a bit limited (at least initially)…

I’d love to see if the kid has any ST potential though; would be nice to have someone other than Captain who could return punts!

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by Tomthehomer on May 9, 2011 6:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

In the current situation...

I think there’s a strong possibility that Cap’n will be a starting CB. If that’s the case, I definitely would rather have someone else returning punts. It makes me nervous having a starter making returns (kicks or punts) – too much risk of injury to players that you’re heavily relying on. Gettis made a few returns last year (I think kick returns, wouldn’t swear to it), and that made me quite nervous, too.

I think Murphy may be making some significant changes to ST, so I wouldn’t be shocked to see new return guys.

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by jamiedk on May 9, 2011 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

After learning about him, great pick

I was with a lot of other folks here on draft that gave a ‘WTF?’ But I think Pilares will be a successful wideout. Appears to have the physical tools and with that work ethic you mentioned, I don’t see how he won’t honestly.

Although our receiving core is young, it’s nice because it will give Cam and LaFell, Ghettis, Pilares, Edwards a chance to grow together. Look at GB. The only holdover WR from before Rodgers era is Driver I think.

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by KaiserBromley on May 9, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

I like this kid!

But like most of our picks, it seems like we took him a bit sooner than necessary. As long as these guys produce, I guess it really doesn’t matter, but it seems like we went looking for “diamonds in the rough” awful early this year. Like I said though, if they produce, it’s not going to matter.

What I love about this guy is his production as the #2 receiver (Greg Salas was #1) and the fact that his stats got significantly better each year. It shows dedication to his craft and the ability to learn and get better. I think he could end up being a big time player.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

And it appears that he is a ‘weight-room junkie.’

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 9, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also a huge plus!

The dude is “Smitty like” in his muscle definition. That’s a lot of muscle on a small frame. Should = BEAST MODE!

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

Lots of broken tackles and sideline scampers. He looks like the perfect screen WR.

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 9, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this pic of him that I saw the other day.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

And this GTFOM!!!! stiff arm.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not to mention his badass leg tat!

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

And........well, I'm not sure what the hell's going on here.

But I’m certain that I can’t do it!!!

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the photos.

His tattoos are pretty sweet. And you’re right—the dude does resemble Smitty physically…The Popeye calves and thick lower body. No wonder they put him at tailback at first.

I really like guys who have played multiple positions at the college level (and had success at both). Hogan is another one…played QB in HS, WR as a freshman at WVU, and finally CB as a soph and junior.

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by ERL on May 9, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I tried to do that you'd have to get a crane to get me out of it.

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by BW Smith on May 9, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol. No doubt.....

It would probably take a crane to get me into it as well. At least we know he’s got loose hip flexors and a limber back.

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

offtopic:

What the hell is he stretching on? Looks like damn moss or something

by ppalm on May 9, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm going to start reading my putts like that.

See how many times I fall on my face.

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by ALAC on May 10, 2011 6:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

ALAC...

The first picture looks like Smitty…

And the second looks like J-Stew…

A wonderfule WR/RB hybrid. =)

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by jamiedk on May 9, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

*"wonderful"

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by jamiedk on May 9, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah, yes.

J-Stew has made the entire N.O. defense his personal Raggedy Andy doll.

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 9, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice resemblance!!!

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by ALAC on May 9, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't football a beautiful, ballet-like sport?

The grace even outweighs the power. And to be able to do it all, while avoiding someone equally as strong, who’s trying to throttle you – wow!

by bigdavis on May 9, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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