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Around SBN: What If This Is It For The Celtics? End Of An Era Looming

Somebody call George Cohen! This jersey issue needs some mediation!

It's a numbers game at this point...

Speaking to WFNZ this morning Marty Hurney said that Jason Baker is the key to Jimmy Clausen v. Cam Newton fight for the #2.

"Why Baker?" You may ask, well that's because in 2010 Clausen wanted the #7, the number he wore in both high school and at Notre Dame. The Carolina Panthers' punter was reluctant to relinquish his number to the rookie QB, so Clausen took #2. What makes this whole situation even more amusing are two points: 

1. Jason Baker has worn the numbers 6 and 9 before (both vacant).

2. The team cannot get involved in the jersey number negotiation because of the lockout.

So while anxious fans have money balled up in their hands waiting to purchase a Cam Newton jersey think of two quarterbacks and on punter at a table trying to get this worked out.

But, that's just one element of what Hurney said and we'll talk about two other points... after the jump

Star-divide

On Steve Smith:

Hurney would not discuss the nature of Steve Smith's trade demand saying he's never discussed personal matters publicly.

 

On veteran QBs:

Hurney said the Panthers are looking for a veteran QB, and are currently making the decision whether to pursue a QB who wants to play immediately (presumably McNabb, Bulger or Hasselbeck) or a QB content being a 'mentor' without necessarily starting.

What's interesting about that 'mentor' type QB is... wait for it... it could very much open the door for Jake Delhomme to return to the Carolina Panthers. Honestly, would you rather a guy like Billy Volek or Kerry Collins come to Carolina, or Delhomme? If given the choice I'm taking the latter every single time- and Jake has the added value of helping the current QBs identify with the locker room.

 

On Clausen (from Joe Person):

"Signs point to no. RT @DanielTDenny Look into your crystal ball, is Clausen a Panther after the trade deadline this coming season?"

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Never trust a kicker

That includes punters. Baker knew the situation we would be in this year before anyone else, and now stands to get money from two different people to make this whole jersey thing happen. Crafty punters.

I don’t know if this fan base can take a return of Jake Delhomme. I think they will go looking for a veteran QB who cuts the mustard well enough to start right away and let Cam do some necessary learning.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL
Crafty punters.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Tater

Bringing back Delhomme is like bringing back the stone-age. We’ve evolved from the Delhomme Era, to the Clausen period, and now we’re on the Newton front. I’d say the organization should make a bid for McNabb because I feel his style of play and Cam’s are closer than any other QB free agent.

"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise. I definately appreciate ALL the support you gave... but if you didn't Richardson, Hurney, and Rivera did. GO PANTHERS!!!

by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

While he undoubtedly shares many physical traits in common with Cam (especially the younger Mcnabb)...

you have pretty much painted the picture as it is; being forced to watch Redskins games on Fox all season up here, I can honestly say Mcnabb looked like shit for the most part this season (and before everyone goes up in arms about “But he’s not meant for Shanahan’s system!” Mcnabb was missing throws that he used to be able to make in his sleep back in Philly). That’s great and all that Mcnabb still has arm strength, but a team can’t just bomb it every time it has to make a pass play; Our QB still needs to be able to hit the short and intermediate passes, and Mcnabb (based on last season) is clearly not the guy we can rely on to do that….

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on the second part of your comment, Willow...

McNabb just didn’t look like himself last season. I certainly don’t think the Redskins put him in the best position, but he also didn’t really rise up to the occasion like I think his former ability would have allowed him to do.

But, as to this…

One he doesn’t really seem to be the mentoring type. He put up with a lot of crap in Philly and I respect him for that, but he didn’t really go out of his way to help Kolb or Vick, at least not that we’ve heard of.

My understanding was that McNabb actually lobbied for Philly to take a flier on Vick. If I remember correctly, he’d had a longterm relationship with Vick, and implored him to keep himself in the best situations posslbe/walk the staight-and-narrow. But, as to “mentoring” to Kolb or Vick in a football sense, I really don’t know how much or little he did in that regard.

But, yeah, I just don’t know that McNabb would be the best fit here. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see McNabb in Arizona. Considering that they didn’t draft a QB, it strongly suggests that they think they have an FA or trade for a vet within reach, and McNabb has ties to Arizona (lives there in the offseason, and is training there).

by jamiedk on May 6, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice tidbit.

Now that you mention it I think I did hear something along those lines.

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by Flowing Willow on May 6, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd rather have Kerry Collins

I love Jake and wish him well but Collins is a better QB right now and if the backup Had to play for some reason I’d rather have Collins. Just like I’m waaaaay over Cam’s past sins, I’m just as over Collins’.

by rawjem01 on May 4, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Me too.

Collins has a bigger arm than Jake. Plus, he’s already done the mentoring thing. I would assume he’s comfortable starting, not starting, or coming off the bench. Plus I just think Jake may still be too much of an open wound at this point. At least Collins gets the benefit of more time away.

by bosotomos on May 4, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Didn't Collins retire?

Can’t remember.

I’d take Collins or Jake. I know this feeling will get me flamed, but I think both would be good QB’s to bring back and mentor. Oh, and I rec’’d you both.

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by AParker on May 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kerry Collins is, at the moment, the starting QB of the Tennessee Titans, pending competition from Jake Locker. Collins was Vince Young’s backup last year before VY had his public spectacle of a meltdown in front of God and everybody.

by NX75649 on May 4, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that mentoring job he did with Vince Young turned our real well.

I don’t know if I would call him a good mentor.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even the best teachers

Have students that don’t pass their class. And when the student in question is VY? Gotta give Collins a pass on that one.

"We are what we are and that is what I'm trying to change so we're not that."
-John Fox on team's 0-3 start

by Foxism on May 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude...

Best. Signature. Ever.

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea, I don't know about Collins' mentoring skills.

Probably went something like this…..

Damn Vince, puff, puff, pass, motha f’ka…..puff, puff, pass!!!!! Got a straw or a dolla bill yo?

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by ALAC on May 4, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

*cough, cough*

“Whaddaya mean half times almost over?!”

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000301308419 - The idiot behind the post.

by D-Ranged1 on May 4, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea..........

“We just got the vaporizer up to temperature! Toss me that balloon dude.”

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by ALAC on May 4, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

VY: “Jamarcus? WTF are you doing in our locker room?”

Kerry: “Oh, well. F’ it. Grab a chair….Umm, you got some of that syzzzzurp?”

Jamarcus: “Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle?”

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 4, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

That last line would be funny as hell on a Geico commercial.

“Can you really save 15% or more on your car insurance?”
“Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle?”

The following scene shows Daffy Duck trying to reach a floating treat, but keeps swimming by it because he is stuck in a left-handed turn Daffy looks at the camera and says “Thth ith prepotheruth!!!” (This is preposterous) Then we see Bugs Bunny with the infamous paint brush…

Side note: I have entirely too much time on my hands…

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol that would be funny

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by BW Smith on May 5, 2011 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Niiiiiice

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")

by The Duke Dude on May 6, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Geico and Charmin could combine their efforts and make one commercial...

“Can you really save 15% or more on your car insurance?”
“Does a bear shit in the woods?”

(Cut to Charmin commercial of mama bear teaching baby bear how to use toilet paper.)

“Geico…15 minutes could save you 15% or more on your car insurance.”

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by BW Smith on May 6, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jake is a better role model and leader than Collins

And in the role they’ll be filling, that’s probably more important to the team than even how good a QB they are.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake is definitely a better role model than Collins

I just don’t see Cam Newton and KC jiving well todether. I could see Delhomme and Cam getting along on their southern good ol’ boy roots. I just don’t know if Charlotte is ready to re-receive Jake Delhomme.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake could get along with anybody

I guarantee you when interviewed he’d sound like Cam’s #1 fan.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

quitter collins = no thanks

bring back a guy who went down swinging with anything he had left (jake) over a stone cold loser who quit on this franchise once before (collins) any second of any day ever.

"..and we have scott may coming back this season.." bob johnson quote before the start of 07-08 season, when he didnt even know his own players name.

by bobcatsbrendan on May 4, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Hard to disagree with that.

But with the Newton and Hogan selections, being a role model doesn’t seem to carry that much weight anymore. With some learning curve expected for Newton, taking the best available QB who knows there’s no future job security seems the best move. Both Jake and Collins fit that latter category, but would you trust having Jake start the first six games?

by bosotomos on May 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He means for a QB with past character issues (at least that was my interpretation of it)

Delhomme would be better for Cam than Collins. Still, both are wounds we shouldn’t reopen, especially with a new QB. I love Delhomme, although not as much as Fox on Quarterback Mountain, but as much as it pains me he shouldn’t come back here unless it’s to retire. Start fresh, grab someone new, we cut both those guys for a reason.

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by Flowing Willow on May 4, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on lets get to football already....

I like the idea of McNabb coming to Carolina! Delhomme would be interesting (I’m not in real favor of it though)…wonder if Steve Smith would give him much of a welcome (…before possibly leaving)?

I'mma Say It Anyways!!!

by bogo22 on May 4, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

McNabb is shot.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Shanny's system, yes.

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is far from shot.

Last game he played last year (#14, vs TB), he went 22/35, 2 TDs, 0 INT, QB rating of 100.7.

http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/gamelogs?id=MCN017517

He never saw the field after that, coaches decisions.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although some of the stats look good on paper, he didn't pass the visual test last season...

Mcnabb was wayyyy too inconsistent last year (even when their running game began to pick up some steam), and was brutally inaccurate with anything shorter than a 20 yard throw lol; There were a lot of times where he got lucky with his deep passes (or Moss/Armstrong would make a DB miss), but it wasn’t exactly encouraging, even for my diehard redskins buddies…

Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski

by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Jersey

Situation is interesting, indeed. I look forward to seeing how that all plays out.

I’d prefer that we bring in a vet to start, but if we have to go with a vet to mentor rather than start, I hope really hope it’s Jake Delhomme. Above all the others, I think Jake would be able to teach some valuable intangibles that some of these other guys cannot. Also, this would allow him to retire a panther. I would love to see this.

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 9:55 AM EDT reply actions  

The only thing Jake could teach right now is losing...

Jake is beyond washed up. I know many of you are having nostalgic moments but I wouldn’t want Jake around this team. New team, New Direction… you don’t bring in ghost from the past, you leave them there.

McNabb didn’t workout in Shanahans offense but I believe he gives us the best chance to win out of any free agent QB.

Flame on!!!

"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise. I definately appreciate ALL the support you gave... but if you didn't Richardson, Hurney, and Rivera did. GO PANTHERS!!!

by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would say McNabb.....

He has veteran leadership and he can start now if need be. He can also show Cam the fundamentals of what it takes to be a successful “scrambling” NFL QB. Not just running but keeping his eyes down field while avoiding the pass rush.

by jwat on May 4, 2011 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

My observation, too.

Delhomme’s abilities have nothing in common with Newton’s.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

true but....

I would actually prefer him to start for us. Let Cam sit for a year or two and learn the pro game.

by jwat on May 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

They're both aren't great passers

But know how to lead a team.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb wouldn't come here

He still believes he can start for a few more years. He’s not looking for a mentoring role.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

McNabb is still looking to start somewhere, but I’m not so sure that ship hasn’t already sailed on his career.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I think it has

He’s just not the same guy he use to be. But he clearly disagrees.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, looks like a clear case of denial to me

Skills have deteriorated, but he can’t admit it to himself. Makes the Eagles look like a bunch of freaking wisemen.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why not...

Everyone says that ALL Carolina needs is a QB, he could come here start for a year or so… boost his marketability and hit the free agent market again.

"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise. I definately appreciate ALL the support you gave... but if you didn't Richardson, Hurney, and Rivera did. GO PANTHERS!!!

by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Could he?

He didn’t do jack for the Redskins last year. I’m just not sure that McNabb is the guy now that you want to remember.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cam doesn't need a lesson in mobility

He needs a lesson in passing from the pocket and being a mature leader

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go with McNabb

I agree completely. No we probably won’t win a Super Bowl with him but he gives us a good chance to win a lot more than we did last year. Plus like jwat said, his style would be similar to what we would want Cam to do…think pass first, then burn them with the run when needed. And he has won while being criticized throughout his career, which is a likely road for Cam. McNabb would be a solid role model in all regards.

by carolinapillpusher on May 5, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is my fear in bringing in Delhomme

I love the guy with a passion. He’s my favorite Panther of all time. But my concern is that there are still players in that locker room that would have followed Delhomme to hell, so how will that affect Cam Newton’s ability to win over a team?

I worry that the more veteran players (and I use that term loosely) would gravitate towards Delhomme. This whole team seemed to have a Delhomme hangover last year, and I think bringing him back would perpetuate that.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 9:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Although I do want to point out

that I’m not sure there is a better teacher of what it takes to win over a team than Jake.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Good points

I think it would be something the powers-that-be would need to discuss with Jake to make sure he knows his role this time around. He would need to know it’s not his locker room….now, is something like this possible?

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm almost more concerned with the current players knowing it's not Jake's locker room.

Some guys are born leaders. They just can’t help it. Someone wise once said “Leader’s can’t choose whether or not to be leaders. People will follow. Their only choice is where they choose to lead them.”

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

More good points

I love his fire, but you are right he’s a natural leader. It could be a volatile situation. It would be a tough situation. McNabb makes me a little uneasy. I question his work ethic (but I could be dead wrong about that). I just don’t want Cam learning any bad habits…

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Redundancy fail again.

I need to proof-read these posts…..

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb makes me a little uneasy, too

I feel like he falls under the “Nice guy doesn’t always win” idea. He seems like such a nice guy, but I question his grit and determination. I could be way off-base, that’s just my gut feeling.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

My biggest objections to Mcnabb (and why he may not be inclined to come here anyways)...

is what happened last year; Mcnabb clearly believes that he can and should still be a FT starter in the league for at least a few more years, and after the way things panned out in Washington last year I don’t think he should/wants to come to a team that has just invested a number 1 pick in a QB and is obviously very eager to play him sooner rather than later. I feel like we all hope and wish that Mcnabb could be a mentor/bridge QB, but in reality it doesn’t seem like he’s all that enthused about becoming one quite yet…

Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski

by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Actually he would ideally be the Full Time starter

At least for this season. I can imagine the F.O. wanting to have the other QBs carrying clipboards and learning the position from an established QB. The preparation, the practice, and the attitude the veteran QB brings to the game is what these guys need to learn. The playbook will be taught, that is a given, what is not a given is that the young QBs will learn what it takes to be successful at the NFL level. That is where a veteran QB comes in.

Ron Rivera, the Most Interesting Coach in the World. Stay thirsty my friends!

by Tarheel Soldier on May 4, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

But can we guarantee him a spot on the roster 3 years from now?

I just don’t get the sense from Mcnabb (based on his feelings throughout the season) that he wants to be living year – to – year right now; If we could ease his concerns about that, great…but I don’t see that happening with a number 1 pick on the roster who the coaches are clearly having trouble holding back their eagerness to get him out there asap lol

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

True

In any case i would make a trade for him. If he gets released out right, then i say bring him in for a physical and sign him to a 2-3 year contract. That would be awesome, IMO. It would give both young guns plenty of time to get adjusted and come out firing either next season or the season after.

Ron Rivera, the Most Interesting Coach in the World. Stay thirsty my friends!

by Tarheel Soldier on May 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

My bad, it should've read, "I wouldn't make a trade for him"

I just noticed I omitted the n’t part.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Do you mean he hasn't been quoted as saying, "My days are numbered"?

With that I agree. But he has no leverage, in negotiating for a long-term contract with anybody. He may not have said it, but I think he knows it.

IMO, of course.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never underestimate the power of stupid owners....

there’s always someone out there whose willing to throw a ton of money at older vets, just a matter of figuring out who lol (I’m looking in your direction, Zygi Wilf)

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before I even read your post,

I thought, the Vikings will give him 2-3 years. Of course, they did take Ponder at 12, so maybe they won’t, but I wouldn’t put anything past them.

by ppfcpp on May 4, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know they invested a high pick in Ponder...

but I think he would benefit greatly from having a low-stress year his rookie year; I think in terms of long term health, it’d be best if he didn’t spend this season get smacked around by NFC north defenses lol

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love Ponder...

But I do think it would be better for Ponder to not get a lot of playtime his first season just to try to make sure his elbow is in better shape (despite the fact that it looks like it’s healed pretty quickly). They way Favre was beaten to a pulp last season, I could see the same pounding being dished out to Ponder and having a Stafford situation develop. I think the Vikings might want to work on their pass protection before throwing Ponder in.

by jamiedk on May 6, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think there are several teams who would give him more than a year long contract.

He’s been talked about in trade talks to go to a contending team for the past few years, I think he still thinks that someone thinks he’s worth a long(er) term deal.

IMO of course. ;)

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by Flowing Willow on May 4, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That ship has sailed

Fox isn’t here anymore. Moose is gone. We purged all the vets last year. Smitty just wants to win… Plus there’s even rumors that in the book he’s writing, he mentions problems he had with Jake. So who’s left that is really close to Jake? Jordan Gross? I don’t see him causing a fuss about this.

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I disagree

Well, for starters, here are some of the players from when Jake was still there:

On offense: DeAngelo, Stewart, Goodson, Gross, Kalil, Wharton, Schwartz, Otah, Smitty.
Defense: Beason, TD, Gamble, Godrey, CJ, others.

These guys supported Delhomme in an intense way. Maybe no one will cause problems, but you can’t say that when they have an issue in the locker room that they won’t look to Delhomme before they look to Newton.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on what the issue is...

If it’s “how do we handle this adversity” — they go to Jake.

If it’s “I need to borrow tree fiddy” — they go to Cam.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really....

"It is now official... Cam Newton is now the face of our franchise. I definately appreciate ALL the support you gave... but if you didn't Richardson, Hurney, and Rivera did. GO PANTHERS!!!

by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")

by The Duke Dude on May 6, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Please, Most of those guys only know "bad" Jake

You think during his 2008-2009 epic downfall, he gained a huge loyal following among 1-2 year players???

Jordan Gross is the ONLY one on that list that “supported Delhomme in an intense way”. These guys are not emotionally fragile rag dolls. Nobody is going to be calling for Jake to start over Cam… NOBODY!

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about them calling for Jake to start over Cam

It’s about Cam being able to develop into the unquestionable leader of the locker room. That’s my point. I don’t get where calling for Jake to start over Delhomme or emotionally fragile rag dolls came from.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best way to help him become a leader

Is to bring in a vet who’s a natural leader. If you don’t want to do that, then what are you suggesting? To bring in an anti-social?

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes. Exacltly what I'm suggesting (sarcasm)

My point is just not about bringing in a natural leader who is only one year removed from being the unquestioned leader of this specific team. I don’t see how that’s a step forwards. Plus, Newton doesn’t need help becoming a leader, he needs someone who can show him how to be a professional.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I don't know which point to debate...
It’s about Cam being able to develop into the unquestionable leader

or

Newton doesn’t need help becoming a leader, he needs someone who can show him how to be a professional

stay thirsty my friends

by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you go back and pull those two things out of context

You wouldn’t know which to debate. But let me be very clear for you then:

It’s about Cam being able to develop into the unquestionable leader

Bringing in the teams unquestioned leader only a year removed could potentially hinder Newton’s ability to become the lone figure that leads this team.

Newton doesn’t need help becoming a leader, he needs someone who can show him how to be a professional

Newton has strong leadership skilled as evidenced during his time at Auburn and Blinn. That’s clear.

He doesn’t need someone to show him how to lead, much less bring in Delhomme only a year removed from his time here.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not trying to debate Newton's leadership skills

but when you ask me if I am suggesting that we bring in someone Anti-social it’s obvious you misunderstood the point I was making.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never brought that up until you came out asking if I was looking for someone anti-social

to clarify, I explained my thoughts on Newton’s leadership skills. Sorry if there is a misunderstanding but you brought up bringing in someone to help Cam become a leader when I don’t think he needs help becoming one, I think he doesn’t need anything to potentially hold him back in developing into the leader of this team.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're grasping at straws on this one, ST

Newton has major concerns with his ability to develop into a pocket passer and diagnosing defenses. Charisma, passion, and leadership are not his weak points. Delhomme would have been a perfect mentor for someone like Clausen where these concerns are his weakness, but for Cam it just doesn’t make sense. It also stifles the transition of the locker room, creating a longing for the old guard and good ol days, making the new leader transition more drawn out.

I remember someone during the draft mentioning that Newton may be a Butcher at this point, and needs to develop into a Surgeon. Delhomme is and still was the butcher, and I think we need a surgeon instead.

by ppalm on May 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds more like the roll of his coaches

I doubt McNabb or whoever is going to be sitting around after practice showing Cam how move in the pocket.

But I see your point. And maybe watching Jake’s mechanics and movement would be counterproductive.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me it's less about them working together after practice

but for the coaches to have a guy on the roster where they can say “see, watch how _ drops back in the pocket. See the way he’s scanning his eyes across the field while he’s dropping back?”

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isnt that what they're doing when they watch film?

I don’t think they need to pay a vet to show him what they can get tape of free. The only reason i can think of to sign a vet, is to show him how to handle himself when the coaches are not around.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I think it is

I just know it helps seeing it in person right in front of you, too. But you’re right.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

It also helps to go to him on the sidelines after a bad series.

And pick his brain, learn his tricks of the trade. You’re not necessarily going to confide in your coach, he’s got other problems to deal with. But with a vet presence on the sideline, you always have a way to work it out.

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by Flowing Willow on May 4, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

The QB coach has no other problems to deal with.

That IS his problem – his ONLY problem.

After “a bad series”, one wouldn’t expect the QB coach to be reviewing things with the OL, would one?

by bigdavis on May 5, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Your QB coach could have various responsibilities,

plus the OC to report to. Plus players relate more to other players than to coaches. I want to see Cam talking things over with Shula for sure, but there’s a reason a QB who can play the mentor role is valued in the NFL.

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by Flowing Willow on May 5, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matt Moore FTW.

I’m afraid that’s about as good as it gets, folks.

Cam will be the starter week 1. Mark it.

And if you don't like it, then you can just GIT OUT!

by ERL on May 4, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would like to give Moore another chance

if he heals and can perform like he did b4. The same things people say the coaches can do for Newton, giving him easier plays to start him out, could work even better for Moore since Moore has played in the nfl for years.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was my understanding that Cam was drafted in part because of his leadership qualities

If that’s the case, why would you invest in a veteran just to show him how to be a leader? Makes no sense to me. I can tell you as a 22 year veteran of the US Army that the notion the leaders are born not created, is B.S. Sure there are tendencies that help one become a good leader, but leadership is learned.

I think Cam has already learned how to be a leader. He led his high school, Blinn College, and Auburn to championships. He was regarded as a great lead by example kind of player and was regarded as the leader of the locker rooms he played in, so I don’t think he needs a mentor in that department.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 4, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with this

From everything I’ve seen, Cam walks into a room and immediately has everybody’s full attention.

Though I do think Jake could play a roll in helping him to not just be the biggest, most vocal guy, but to also show some humility, handle the media, etc.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

He could learn this from someone else, too

who doesn’t have such a storied and controversial history here.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really? Who then... McNabb?

That guy had quarrels with his receivers and got canned for Vick, the most anti-leader QB in the league.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't be my choice.

I’d say Bulger, Pennington, Todd Collins, even. They don’t have to be the starter, they just need sound mechanics and to be the classic professional.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pennington would be good for this

Of course he’d probably get injured after a few games anyways, forcing Cam into the starting lineup.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I’d only bring in Pennington as a back-up, with no real intention of starting him.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe it was his receivers who started anything with the Eagles, not McNabb.

And he lost the starter’s job to Vick because Vick is seen as the future of the team.

Those supporting McNabb as the interim QB, as I would, are only suggesting it as a 1-year deal, at most, to better get Newton acclimated to the many challenges of being a first year starter. Can doesn’t need mentoring, or advice in leadership skills, but with a shortened (or non-existent) training camp, he might benefit from a few games of instruction from his QB coach.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Every rookie needs mentoring, regardless of position...

and if Mcnabb can publicly demonstrate that he’s willing to do it, great! Unfortunately, he’s pretty much shown the exact opposite, and I seriously doubt he wants to “surrender his career” at this point and become a glorified stop gap for us (as much as he could teach Cam, especially telling him what not to do in terms of relying on mobility vs. standing tall in the pocket).

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

That 'mentoring' should come from Shula, his QB coach.

Watch the good QBs. That’s who they’re huddled on the sideline with, their coaches.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No dispute there; I hope Shula is glued to these guys like white on rice...

but ask any star football player right now (especially QBs), and they’ll inevitably mention how grateful they were for (insert vet player name here) in their first few seasons in the NFL, and how they helped them understand some of the “little things” that only a player could communicate….

That being said, I don’t mean to minimize Shula’s role in the process; he definitely needs to be the biggest mentor (holds true for any position/position coach relationship), and I don’t have many he doubts that he’ll be up to the task!

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

@ Southtunnel (because I don't know where this reply will end up)

That simply is not a fair assessment of McNabbs career with Philly. His quarrels with T.O. were widely publicized, but how much of it do you really think was McNabb’s fault? I’m sure I read that as the leader of the locker room, he felt that T.O. tried to overstep his bounds by dividing the team and McNabb called him out on it.

As far as being canned for Vick, Vick is a LOT younger than McNabb, and I have a suspicious feeling that McNabb was going to be traded regardless of whether Vick was on the roster. Don’t forget that Kolb has been the heir apparent for a few years now. In fact, Kolb was named the starter at the beginning of last season before he got hurt.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb couldn't keep his job from Kolb or Vick

Vick took it from both of them.

I’m just saying that McNabb’s prime is long gone. And if all you need is a cheerleader then you can get one much cheaper and with a better resume elsewhere.

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by southtunnel on May 5, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that Cam would be able to relate the most to McNabb for multiple reasons. I don’t know how great of a mentor he would be though, because he’s never been in a situation where he wasn’t “the guy.” Not to mention I don’t know if I would want Cam’s mentor to be a guy who after years of playing in the NFL, didn’t even know that games could end in a tie. All that being said, McNabb is unrealistic because he’s going to want to sign some place where he is guaranteed the starting position. That won’t be the case in Carolina.

by pancanbra on May 4, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Again, McNabb won't come here

Not unless we totally revamp the team in free agency and all the sudden look like a SuperBowl contender… Because that’s what he’s after. Not a baby-sitting job.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

To look like superbowl contenders won't take much in free agency.

Pick up Asomuga in FA.
Pick up Tommy Harris in FA.
Pick up a couple OLine men
and McNabb and hello.

Our Secondary, Line backing core, Defensive ends, Running Backs, Tightend, are all solid.

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by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think McNabb, soon to be 35, will have many teams looking to sign him.

I think he’ll be lucky to land a 1-year deal anywhere, because any other team looking for a QB needs one for their future, and he’ll find he isn’t considered that anymore. We are in the unique position of only looking for a short-term fix.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teams like Minnesota are built to win now

I’m sure that would be more appealing than a 2-14 team that just gutted their vets.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

All goes back to what Hurney said:

They are determining whether to sign a veteran who wants playing time, and a veteran who can mentor.

McNabb excels at the former, and is lacking at the latter. The reason I say this is because when McNabb was benched for Grossman all he did was pout, sit on the bench and look forlorn. Compare this to a guy like Delhomme who was benched, sulked for a game and then stood next to Moore going over film and discussing coverages.

It takes a special ego (or lack thereof) to willingly fill that mentor role when you’re used to being a competitor. I’m just not sure McNabb has it.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

I’m not sure what the lovefest is with McNabb here. Redskins fans also loved him when he came last year… But they hate him now.

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by southtunnel on May 5, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also as to Delhomme...

He has taken on that same role with McCoy. He of course wishes he could still get more playing time – Delhomme is competitor. But he also realizes that the Browns are going with McCoy for the future. You can frequently see Delhomme on the sidelines next to McCoy, and McCoy has spoken highly of Delhomme’s help (on field and in the classroom).

Not saying let’s bring Delhomme back. I’m just saying that he’s someone who knows he quite possibly won’t be the regular starter anymore, and that he’s someone who’s willing to help/mentor versus sulking. Someone with that same mentality, and someone’s who has had success in the league, would be valuable in Carolina.

by jamiedk on May 6, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I could live with any of them...

Honestly, I wouldn’t have a problem if any of those veteran QBs came to town.

McNabb is intriguing because he kind of fits Cam’s style to a degree. He’s a scrambler and an innovator and he can run…but he can also throw the deep ball with a pretty big arm. Cam could probably learn a lot from him. But, I think it would be pretty clear if McNabb came here, it wouldn’t be as a “mentor”…i.e., he’d be looking to start. McNabb is one of those QBs who still feels he has plenty left in the tank and wants the starting job. If I were in his shoes, I’d feel the same way. Also, with McNabb in the starting role, I’d feel a bit more confident about our offense going into this season. His experience would make a big difference.

With regards to Jake Delhomme, I’d be down for that, too. But only in a mentoring capacity. Jake’s intangibles and leadership are the things I’d want to Cam to pick up from him. And I think Jake would make a pretty good advisor on the sidelines for him. Plus, he would make a decent insurance policy in the event of injuries. Would his return stir up some fans? Yeah. Would people be really worried if he got forced into the starting role? Yeah. But again, if he just came in as a #2 QB to help mentor Cam, I think most people would welcome him back. And that would also make for a nice situation whereby Delhomme could eventually retire as an active Panther…and I think that would be good for the history of the franchise.

As for Kerry Collins…the same thing kind of applies. He had a lot of growing up to do. And he took his hard knocks and made something out of his career eventually. It just happened while he was away from the Panthers. But, if we could bring him back, I’d be okay with Kerry in either role…i.e., starter or mentor. His skillset is probably stronger than Jake’s at the moment. He’d be about as reliable experience-wise as McNabb. And he could adquately prepare Cam for eventually taking over the offense (if Kerry starts) or come in as a backup in the event of injury (if Cam starts).

Lastly, regarding Billy Volek…I don’t have a strong opinion either way. The guy has performed when called upon. He’s probably a better option than most other veteran QBs we might bring in. I’m sure he too could fulfill either role…i.e., he could start for us or serve as a backup (something he’s done for awhile now).

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by NSpicer on May 4, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Sign McNabb to a one-year contract, and tell him he's the starter for that year, so long as he performs.

At this stage in his career, he’s in no position to demand a longer term contract, IMO.

He doesn’t have to “mentor,” as in give tutoring lessons, to Newton, just let him watch and learn. The teaching would come from Shula, who’s getting paid to do it.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 10:15 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Best post all day!!!

NFL players will kill for a job right now than sit out a year, and what a better place to get your name back out there then to pair yourself up with Cam Newton.

This has the makings of something big.

McNabb wasn’t washed up in Philadelphia… it was just time for a new. With Shanahan you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. Just let McNabb be McNabb and win you some games.

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by Caro2daheart... on May 4, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here is the thing though

McNabb will be offered big money to go somewhere where there isn’t a #1 pick waiting in the wings. He may be a bit delusional, but he also isn’t stupid. At his age, a multi-year deal is what he is looking for.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

But what team would give him one?

Washington did, but it was written in disappearing ink.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb please

I think that would give Cam the drive to be a great football player
Tell Smitty give us one more chance
Give Cam 2 Clausen 00 and keep Baker at 7

by rscott94 on May 4, 2011 10:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I like the McNabb idea

so I don’t mean to be the debby downer but I don’t know if I see it happening. There seems to be a Vikings McNabb romance in the air and while I know that we’re all aware of just how good this team is I don’t know if a player of McNabb’s status (and use of being in the spotlight) would choose Carolina over Minnesota. I would love for McNabb to be here though and think some of the above skills would benefit Newton tremendously from seeing first hand (keeping eyes down field while scrambling). That being said, I think they go the content back-up route.

With no new news in the CBA I hope they tell us more soon so I can get my daily fix in.

by mcdonaldwr on May 4, 2011 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

Brilliant! Rec'd

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

These players just need to deal with not getting the # they had in college if another player already has it.

 Why should another player cause his fans to go out & buy a new jersey when they dont have to? Someone that bought a Baker #7 jersey doesnt want Clausen or anyone else coming in taking that #.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

I see the point you're making here...

But honestly, how many people actually bought a Baker #7 jersey? I mean, he is just a punter.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

suppose only 1 person bought 1.

Would you want to be that person that spent 175 bucks for a jersey just to have Clausen come take the number? This is a case of the players putting their wants over the fans.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Like I said, I see your point in relation to the big picture...

but in this case, Baker’s just the punter I doubt they even sell a Baker jersey

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

In this situation,

it not only becomes ‘who bought a Baker jersey" but also who bought a Clausen jersey. No matter though, even if it were only 1 baker jersey involved, thats not fair to the fan(s) that bought a Baker jersey. & afterall, it’s only a number on a jersey to the players, they didn’t invest anything in the numbers like the fans do.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

The "who bought a Clausen jersey" I can agree with...

A lot of fans were suckered into buying that one.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Meh...

I follow a 2 year rule… don’t buy a jersey for the first two years a player is drafted.

It’s only common sense

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good ruleI also follow a strict 2 year rule on the back end

I also follow a strict 2 year rule on the back end. They need at least two years remaining on their contract for me to buy one.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL I follow the more than 50 bucks for a freakin shirt rule.

I can go buy a Panthers sweat shirt or tee for under 50 bucks & look just as cool wearing it than a jersey. Maybe a jersey lasts longer i dont know because i never owned 1.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've only ever had a Delhomme Jersey

But I got it for Christmas when I was in High School. I actually think if you buy a decent one it lasts longer but I’m not positive.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

The official

or fake officials (ebay) are the only way to go.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Everytime I’ve bought a jersey, the player leaves Carolina through free agency, a trade, or retirement. Looks like it’s time for me to pick up a #89 for my birthday.

by NSpicer on May 4, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

A guy I work with already ordered a Cam Newton jersey.

He doesn’t care how he plays because his last name is Newton too and he’ll just end up with a personalized jersey.

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by ALAC on May 4, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

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by ticketholdrsins96 on May 5, 2011 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still … if you’re dumb enough to blow that kind of money on a punter’s jersey, you kinda deserve what you get if he changes numbers.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

LMFAO! +1

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

He was

one of our best players last year and boy did we get our money’s worth out of him….

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Would you buy his jersey?

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Depends

How much are you selling yours for? :)

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

tree fiddy

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have nothing invested in jerseys.

I would never pay over 50 bucks for a shirt for christ sakes. I just think its unfair to anyone that did pay it. If i ever did buy a Panthers jersey it would have my name on it not a player that will sell his number the first chance he has to make a buck on it. Or a player that will be on another team the year after i buy it.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't buy jersesy either for that same reason...

I’m not paying that much for a shirt with someone’s name on it. With the way free agents come and go as they please, I’m not investing my hard earned dollars into a jersey.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

*jerseys

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now... I got some pretty sweet practice jerseys in that sale they had earlier this year.

Got me a Kemoaetu jersey and also got an autographed Mike Minter jersey. Less that $30

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what I do

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

great minds

(or poor ones in my case)

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

You can't get a good shirt for less than $50 these days.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

alright...

you give me a dollah fiddy and we got a deal

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

(reluctanly)

Deal…

Now, who wants a #7 Clausen jersey for 10 bucks?

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

hey wait a minute

i just got conned didn’t i? i knew this deal was too good to be true…

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

You didnt get conned yet,

I dont see any offers for the 10 bucks, not even a counter offer.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Deal.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol Bernz is right

you haven’t gotten conned yet. But I’m working on it.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok ... that's comforting to know

hey, wait a second…

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope

but I don’t wear jerseys. I only wear the generic team shirts.

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vets

If a guy wants to start and play a lot he may not want to come here with the Cam looming. It seems Volek knows the O already and could be the most help in developing a young QB. Wouldn’t be wild about it if he had to play a bunch of games. It doesn’t matter that his game and Cams don’t relate because you want the rookie to learn how to be an NFL QB.

by WSPanther on May 4, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions  

this!

And if he want’s to win he might not come here.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Consider the following....

Having Delhomme return to mentor our young QBs would be an excellent idea AND perhaps the means to talk Smitty into staying one more season in Charlotte. If anything those of us with Delhomme jerseys can wear them on game day again.
Realistically, I would imagine the optimal move to properly mentor Cam would be a trade for McNabb. Think about what he did for Vick and since they share similar skills it makes sense.
However, it should be assumed any solution to the QB spot will be short term to get Cam ready to take the helm. I would love to see Clausen develop into a decent starter so we can trade him for good value.

by Disciple of Carolina on May 4, 2011 10:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think Smitty and Jake were as close as we all assumed

They were early on. But listening to WFNZ who often interview Smitty, it sounds like when Jake struggled, it really took a toll on Smitty… who more then anything just wanted to win.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake

If we don’t bring Jake in as the vet QB, I hope we bring him back sometime to retire as a Panther. I would also like to see him in the front office one day.

by elgatonegro on May 4, 2011 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

There are some positives and negatives about all of the possible vet QBs.

(And forgive me if I’m echoing some things that have already been said.)

Hasselbeck, McNabb, and Bulger would be the guys who would give us the best chances of winning were they to take on starting roles if you’re planning on Cam spending at least several weeks sitting (and maybe playing a little “garbage time” before actually starting). Because he has been a backup at Baltimore, I think Bulger might be the most amenable out of those guys as far as sharing the spotlight. While I initially wasn’t too high on the idea of Bulger, he’s really starting to become my preference out of those guys. I just get this feeling that he might have a Kurt Warner-like end of career. If that’s the case, Cam has plenty of room to sit. People would be pretty happy as long as we could win games with Bulger, and Cam gets more time to learn. I’m afraid that Hasselbeck and McNabb think they have a lot more left in them than they do, and I don’t see them making sudden comebacks. Again, just a feeling on my part.

The idea of Jake is really intriguing. It’s just that his departure has been so recent. As has been said, his personality may unintintionally take over the locker room because of the emotional attachment I imagine the players would still have to him. But I do think he realizes that he’s likely to primarily be a back-up for the rest of his career. It kills me that he all of a sudden had a meltdown in the 2008 Arizona game, and he has yet to get over it. I think he absolutely has the physical ability to play at the level he played at in the regular 2008 season. It’s just the psychological aspect I’d be concerned about. If a sports psychologist could snap him out of it somehow…if he could get back his confidence…I’d welcome him back. And everyone could pull out their Delhomme jerseys again.

Kerry Collins definitely realizes that his role is a back-up role except when a team really needs him to be the starter (a la Vince Young’s meltdown). He still can throw a deep ball – good for a vertical passing game. But, he’s not as accurate as he once was. He’s also taken one heck of a physical beating in Tennessee – reminds me of Favre’s 2009 playoffs and his 2010 season. If the O-line could hold up a pocket and protect him, I think you could still get some good play out of him. It’s been a long time since he played here…so maybe some of the bitter taste he left in a lot of fans’ mouths has dissipated. If you’re looking for a person who can still play, who knows he’s really a back-up, who is capable of starting some games, who could win you some games…he really might be your guy if you’re hoping to start Cam sooner rather than later. Collins also might be one of the most easily attainable QBs.

As to Jersey Numbergate, it really would be nice to see a Cam pay Clausen to give up #2 and to pay Baker to give up #7 to Jimmy (Cam’s the new rookie coming in, so I think he should take on the full cost of jersey-switching), and for Baker to take one of his former numbers. That way, everyone gets a jersey number that they have an attachment to, and then the money could be donated to a good cause. It seems like it would be a win-win for Cam, Clausen, and Baker – and it would make all of them look good for helping out a charity.

by jamiedk on May 4, 2011 10:52 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree Jamie, I'm starting to lean more towards Bulger out of the FA QBs out there,

I wouldn’t mind Hasselbeck or McNabb but both are probably looking for more sound starting opportunities. Those guys know their time would be limited here as they would just be keeping the seat warm for Cam. Bulger has been in a backup role so we would be able to offer him the chance to actually start a few games at the beginning of the season as they ease Cam in to the position. Bulger is very smart, experienced at age 34, has played in a lot more games than a guy like Volek, and is more of a pure pocket passer, a skill that Cam needs to expand upon.

We can bring him in, pay him a little more than he was making in Baltimore, he gets to start 5-7 games and then settle back in to a backup role. He would even have the potential that if he comes in, plays well and starts winning games he could even extend his starting role possibly for the whole year, and the coaches could draw out Cams integrated over the entire season.

I love Jake but as others have eluded to, we don’t need to roosters in the hen house (pardon the bad analogy). Also Jake isn’t the most technically sound passer, he was always more of a gunslinger. I just think Bulger’s personality and skill-set better fulfills the requirements we need in a Vet QB more so than our other options.

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by John Chilton on May 4, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm probably going to get flamed here, but...

I’m just not very impressed with Bulger.

During his last three years as a starter (in STL), he had a 70, 71, and 70 QB rating, respectively. All three years he had more INTs than TDs. All three years he completed less than 60% of his passes.

Yes, those teams sucked donkey balls, but we’ve already talked about bad QB play VS. being a bad team, and the lesson we learned is: the QB will take most of the blame (see: Cam Newton becoming a Panther).

Bulger took a lot of sacks in those three years, and towards the end started to look gun-shy, scared, Jimmeh-fied, etc.

Plus, he made more than $4M as a backup last season in BAL, and I just don’t think we need to pay that kind of money for what will ultimately be a stop-gap QB (3-8 games).

Again, flame me, but I think we are fine with Cam, Jimmy, Tony and/or Matt.

Honestly I will be surprised if Cam is not the opening day starter. Yes, really.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not the only one unimpressed by Bulger's recent resume...

Granted, I like Bulger as a backup option, but when looking for a vet this year I feel we need to look at players who can be full time starters for this year, which I don’t view Bulger as being at this point; Not that they’ll necessarily be required to be the starter for this year, but whoever we pick up needs to be ready to potentially be “the guy” for the entire season in highly plausible instance that Cam nor Jimmy are viewed as being ready…

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Flamethrower...

Wait, my bad. Wrong flamethrower…

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Bengals love some red-headed QBs.

Matches their colors, I guess.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

no flaming from me, I get what your saying. He definitely declined towards the end of his stint with the Rams

and I’m not optimistic that he would be able to come in and win more games than he loses, but as you said he would basically be a stop-gap.

Also, I know it’s the job of the QB coach to teach Cam the finer points of being a pocket passer but I think having a guy that has actually done it at a pro-bowl level can help even more with his development, being able to give him a 1st hand experienced opinion on certain situations from a QB’s perspective because he’s seen it all on the field in his career.

I think after having a full season as a backup he’d have a better chance of lasting through the rigors of lasting through some, if not most or all of a season.

I agree 4 mil is a little steep for a backup QB, I wasn’t aware he was making that much, and to that point Hasselbeck and McNabb would probably demand more than that.

But if Rivera and co. are going to bring in a vet, I would want it to be someone that had some success, doesn’t have an outspoken personality, and is (or was) a solid pocket passer that can help Cam in that respect, and Bulger seems to fit that profile perfectly.

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by John Chilton on May 4, 2011 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, he fits the profile.

If there is a bidding war for Bulger, I just hope we don’t go overboard. $3M for one year…sure. Anything more than that and it starts to get lopsided, IMO.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. We have a ton of cap space

but I want to see it go towards filling holes, providing depth and perhaps picking up a couple playmakers.

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by John Chilton on May 4, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marc Bulger just turned 34. What's the fascination with him?

Why consider paying him 3Million when Matt Moore could probably be had for 1/2 of that? Bulger never even saw the field last year.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

McNabb just turned 34 as well...

Bulger wasn’t going to see the field over Flacco, no matter how he was capable of performing. He’s a former pro-bowler, a pocket passer (a skill Newton needs to improve upon unlike mobility which McNabb would better for) and he’s has a mild personality, he has already accepted a backup role, and would slip right back into a backup role when needed (unlike McNabb would want to do). And at 3 million he’d be cheaper than McNabb.

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by John Chilton on May 4, 2011 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think Moore will come much cheaper than that.

In fact, we tendered him at the first round level in anticipation of the 2010 rules being carried over into the 2011 league year.

The first round tender is right around $3M.

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by ERL on May 5, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

He would have to take a year deal cheaper than the 3 mil now.

coming off a surgery and not stellar play last season but ok play.

by MrBernz on May 5, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baker could give Jimmeh number 7 for the meantime.

Chances are he’ll get it back sooner rather than later. I mean, as James said, he’s already worn 3 different numbers.

That way Cam can take number 2.

Honestly though, Cam should start fresh, IMO. Get 5 or 9 or something. Who wears 12? 15?

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Gettis wears #12, and Wallace Wright wears #15

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right, right.

But 5 and 9 are vacant, IIRC.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah they are

Smoothie wore #5 while he was briefly on the team, and Keith Null wore #9 during practice for three weeks.

They’re available now.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think they should have made Null wear #0 just on principle

I mean.. come on. Null.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

lol true

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jim Otto wore #00 while playing for the Raiders way back when.

(For those who don’t get it: Otto = aught oh = 00)

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice: “Smoothie.”

And you mean Craig Nall? JK. Haha.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jake needs to retire a Panther anyways

I know there’s complications bringing him back. But let’s be honest… Whether you love or hate the guy, he’s the best QB to ever put on a Panther jersey.

There is no debating that Cam Newton is the future of the franchise. So this has little to do with Jake’s game time performance. It’s all about the intangibles that he brings to the locker room… The things that we all agree Jake excels at. If Cam needs to learn how to simultaneously be a leader and be humble, then there’s nobody better to do it than Jake.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Which is why I will proudly rep my Delhomme jersey come hell or high water...

although I’m still not convinced the browns are going to part ways with him either; I think they see the value in having him aboard while Colt McCoy is still learning the ropes

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I believe Senaca Wallace offers more to them than Delhomme does at the moment.

McCoy got his lumps out of the way in his first season and will only get better the more he plays. Wallace offers a reliable back-up in case Colt gets injured.

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by Panther4Life!!! on May 4, 2011 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Potentially, but it doesn't seem like the Browns really think all that much of Seneca...

whether justified or not (he seems like a capable backup, but not someone I’d be comfortable starting more than a few games); Then again, who knows what they’re going to do with Shurmur at the helm!

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got it

Cam cuts out the middle man and buys the #7 from Baker… forcing Clausen to buy it from him and getting the #2 for free

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by James Dator on May 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

it would be high comedy if baker gave Cam #7 after not giving it to Jimmeh last year

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason: “Sorry Jimmy, its just that you’re a smug, unhappy little man and you treat people like they are idiots.”

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

LOL nice Tommy Boy reference

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha, Newton's far worse.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's funny. Practically everyone who's ever been around Cam disagrees.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Newton is the kind of arrogant showman I hated on my teams.

But each to their own I guess.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet that if you met the guy one on one, you would change your tune.

You’d have Cam pom poms.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet I wouldn't.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way..

He’d never trade in his emu pom poms.

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by D-Ranged1 on May 4, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Strangely enough...there is really an emu pom pom.

Meet Edna, the Emu Pom Pom:

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Edna?

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dunno, I didn't name it.

I guess Edgar, Edward, Erin, Eric, Eloise, and Emilio were all taken…

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your darn right Emilio is taken...

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Someone should make a collage of all the silly images we get on here.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

lmao well played

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do you know this pic exists?

I bet there’s a good story here.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well....umm...

I have the album on vinyl.

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by ERL on May 5, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

No come on

The real story?

Or are you a old Mexican chick?

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, but the first story was a lot cooler.

I was looking for a picture of Will Ferrell in “A Night at the Roxbury.” As awful as that movie is, I like the one part when he tells the story about seeing Emilio Estevez…“And I was like: Emiliooooooo!!!”

So long story short, if you Google “Emilio,” this picture is like the 8th picture returned. Yes, really.

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by ERL on May 5, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lol

good stuff

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perfect for OldhamA

Gotta let that mancrush for Clausen go, O. That ship’s sailed.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

does it make me an ass that I want to see that happen?

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only slightly...

Only slightly.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Someone else posted this before and I'd like to again for those still hating on Jake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UceCrHl_KHU

At this point I trust the FO to bring in the right guy.

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by Vagus on May 4, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Good link.

My favorite Panther player ever.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

No matter what you say about jake

he had the most heart of anybody I’ve seen wear a panther jersey

by curiousmanners on May 4, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Delhomme gpt a raw deal.

The Panthers used him to alleviate the salary cap problems. He complied with their needs, of course he was compensated for it but still he didn’t have to, then they cut him just so there would be no distractions to Clausen. That was 1 effed up move by the Panthers.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also cut him to free cap space for the next few years.

Not saying you’re wrong, but you did leave that part out.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe his cap space

was covered last year in the uncapped season wasnt it? I could be wrong, heck im not sure. But anyway i was not thinking about the future cap space since last season was uncapped. Seems even more screwed up if they cut him for cap space when he saved their bacon with the cap space problem the season b4 he was cut.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The reason it was covered was because they cut him.

Had they left him on the roster, he would count towards the cap for the remainder of his contract.

Cutting him was the best business decision to make, even if it was the hardest one.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

He is off the books now.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

they had to pay his contract in full to get him off the roster

It was restructured in 2009 to a very back-heavy deal in order to make cap room for other players (including Peppers). If he was on the team he’d be taking up almost 10% of the salary cap in 2011.

by ppalm on May 4, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peppers had his deal long b4 the Panthers changed Delhommes contract.

So it was not to make room for Peppers, it was because of Peppers.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Peppers was under a franchise tag, not a long-term deal.

The Delhomme extension was to help cover that cost.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

His franchise tag was done before the season started.

The Delhomme deal was done like after mid season if i recall. The only thing Peppers had to do with it was causing the filled cap space before the injuries. They did NOT extend Delhomme to make room for Peppers, it was the opposite.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Per ESPN, the Delhomme extension was done on 4/29/09 (emphasis mine):

The deal includes $20 million in guaranteed money and clears much needed salary-cap space for Carolina. Delhomme was to count for more than $10 million under the cap next season in the final year of his deal.

The Panthers’ cap is weighed down by Julius Peppers’ one-year tender under the franchise tag that is worth $16.7 million and has prevented any offseason signings.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

They restructured Delhomme's contract because of Peppers' franchise tag.

Bernz is right. They didn’t do it to make room for Peppers. They did it to make room for anyone else because of Peppers.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And i did not say he had a long term deal,

I said it was done long b4 the Delhomme extension.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You also left out the part where after getting that reworked contract that paid him lots of money

That he completely stunk up the entire season.

I just dont think it was that villainous a move by the FO. Delhomme played terribly after getting his new contract, it was an opportune time to cut their losses so they did.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I bet you would have liked to have him on the roster last season after watching the first 5 games.

I know i was wanting him back after that. & for the record i was calling for his head as loudly as anyone else his last season with us.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Eh I don't know if I would.

I think it was best to move on and take our lumps. But that is why before last season I was calling for a veteran QB acquisition that could back up Matt Moore and mentor whatever QB we got in the draft.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get chills whenever I watch this and a little lump in my throat

 I might want to scream at him “why did you do that!?!?!” But just I can’t hate Jake. Just can’t do it.

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by Vagus on May 4, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

:(

I miss the guy. I feel really bad for him too. I hated all the under/over throws, but I loved having him on the team.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'd like to turn everyone's attention to an article I wrote about Bulger prior to the 2010 draft

The article at the time was about potential free agent QBs who would serve as a great backup to Matt Moore or a starter in their own right. It compared specifically Marc Bulger and Jason Campbell. Obviously now you can ignore the piece about Campbell, but I would read the rest of the article to review what the Bulge can do for you.

Battle of the Bulge: Why I’m not drinking Campbell’s soup

Remember, this was a simpler time. It was before Jimmeh, before the 2-14 ordeal, and before we knew that Matt Moore was NOT the future.

I still stand by Marc Bulger as being the ideal candidate in free agency as someone who could come in, lead the time for awhile, and give Cam the time he needs to learn. Even once Cam is the starter, Bulger would certainly be a great veteran back up. Unlike McNabb and Hasselbeck, both of whom consider themselves to be full time starters (I think Hasselbeck still is, but i just don’t see it in McNabb anymore), Bulger is okay with his role of backup and mentor, and could even see a career resurgence here in Carolina.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed, I think Bulger would be the ideal candidate

for what we’re looking for.

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by John Chilton on May 4, 2011 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm in agreement about Bulger. Of the viable candidates he makes the best match.

But, I don’t think we get in a bidding war over any of the QBs out there. How many teams drafted their future franchise last weekend, but need a transitional guy: Titans, Bengals (minus Palmer), and Vikings. How many QB-needy teams didn’t draft a QB at all? Cardinals, Seahawks, Redskins, Dolphins, and (arguably) Bills.

And who are the top UFA QBs: Hasselbeck, Bulger, Kerry Collins, Volek, Alex Smith, Pennington, J.T. O’Sullivan… here’s a full list.
of all pending UFAs based on 2010 rules.

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 4, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can cross Pennington off that list right now...

no one is going to touch him with that ACL injury he suffered playing pick up ball lol

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's probably how its gonna go down.

But how much $$ are we talking? Anything more than $25k is just ridiculous, even though that’s only like one half of one percent of Cam’s signing bonus.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

All jokes aside

If I was Clausen I’d ask Newton to make a $10k donation in Clausen’s to the American Red Cross for the tornado victims and call it a day.

Jimmy has no attachment to #2, and it’s turning petty superstition into something positive

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

That seems fair.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here, here!

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

It still doesnt cover the fans

that paid their hard earned money for the jerseys.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

They learn a valuable football/life lesson

Making financial commitments to things with risky futures is a bad idea.

I’m sure there are people with Stefan LeFors jersey’s hanging in their closets.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh god the horror....

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

We were the first victims of the 'He can be Drew Brees!' club...

Brees came off a 3,000 yard season and 104 QB rating and all of a sudden this idea spread like wildfire than 6ft guys with bad arm strength could be developed into Pro Bowl QBs…

LeFors senior season was quite insane really… 73.5% completion, 2,600 yards, 20 TD, 3 INT…. but he has none of the physical skills needed at the next level.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then again, why on earth would someone get a jersey of a 3rd round pick who has little prospects of significant playing time? lol

I always thought that was one of those “Well, maybe he can sit back and learn” picks, but to buy a jersey of him? “A fool and his money are soon parted”

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hell... I didn't even buy an Armanti jersey.

And I’m his biggest fan. I’ll wait until he solidifies himself before devoting that kind of money.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course you didn't buy one...

You’re his agent. You got it for free. :-)

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on May 6, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Billy Volek

This most logical option in this scenario is to sign Billy Volek. This is a guy that is very familiar with the kind of offense that is being ran and has the ability to start in this league until Cam is ready to take over the helm. Volek has taken advantage of each starting opportunity, just look at his stats in Tennessee. He’s been backing up one of the best quarterbacks in the game and I think he’d be a terrific addition to our offense.

by bob cock on May 4, 2011 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

A lot people...

Think that’s the most logical and one of the best options. But some sources have said that it looks like the FO and coaches have no intentions of going after Volek. I’m not sure why. Maybe they think Volek just doesn’t have what it would take (although you’d think working in that offense would say otherwise), maybe they think there’d be some personality clash somewhere…I don’t know.

by jamiedk on May 4, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clausen will only hurt himself by not giving up the jersey

He’s already one of the most hated guys in Panther nation. His jobs on the line, while Cam’s not going anywhere. If a rift is created between him and the new, shiny, 1st overall QB, then he’s the one that will suffer for it.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:44 PM EDT reply actions  

I still say Clausen should be able to win the starting job over Newton.

 How funny would it be if Clausen gives him the #2 then beats him in the line up?

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that funny. The number means more to Cam than it does to Jimmy. Jimmy just kind of picked it at random. Cam wore it at Blinn and Auburn.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

So?

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not true.

He’s handled everything very, very well (off the field). If he started to make waves off the field it would be worse for him.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uh, he could get cut

Lose his job???

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

To make the hate worse.

People have already made up their minds about him.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

The organization must have felt there was fire to that smoke.

Otherwise Hurney wouldn’t have felt like he needed to go QB

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rivera has said that Clausen has a role on this team

I don’t think they completely made up their mind about him. I just think they feel it’s extremely important to have a franchise QB, and therefore couldn’t pass on a specimen like Cam.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Now he can be first on the clipboard.

Sorry, FW – it was just hanging there, like a pinata.

by bigdavis on May 4, 2011 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not sounding like it

If James and crew are right that Clausen is gone, then that just leaves Newton and Pike on the roster. Who knows when or if free agency will be available in time to get a vet ready to start.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apparently the coaching staff saw that he wasn't just a scapegoat...

Otherwise they would have went elsewhere with that #1 overall pick.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then they are lying

Because both Rivera and Hurney have defended Clausen. Just because you take a QB that you believe has huge potential, doesn’t mean you think the current one is a complete failure.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't you think some of their defense is just being PC about the quarterback situation?

Of course they can’t come out and say “Jimmy sucks balls, so we have to get a QB.” Not only does it lower his trade value even further, but it hurts Jimmy’s feelings, and that’s just not cool at all.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's possible

But I think they’d use different language. Just say they’re still evaluating the position or something, instead of being so direct.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the end I don't think it will be an issue for very long.

If Brady Quinn can be traded to Denver for Peyton Hillis a 6th rounder and a conditional 7th, then the Panthers will find a home for Clausen somewhere in the league.

If Person’s right then Clausen won’t be a Panther for much longer

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to get over that

Cam’s not going anywhere for quite awhile.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well if he struggles and we have the #1 pick then we have to take another QB

Right?

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be the trend...

Two QBs with the 1st pick in the last 2 years, why not go for the trifecta?

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously.

Rookie struggles… Next! We can just spend the first pick on a QB every year till we get it right. They only get 1 year each though. And not the whole season either. No going through TC and PS as the starter. That would only set them up to succeed.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah buddy!

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what to say to that...

Seems like a catch 22.

The team want to move forward with Newton. So, you either hope the Panthers do well (and by extension Newton) or you hope to see them fail to satisfy a personal desire.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Why do you "dislike" Newton?

Why did you give Jimmy the benefit of the doubt last year, yet you won’t offer the same to Cam? It doesn’t make sense.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just like Clausen rubs people the wrong way, Newton's bullshit/fake smile/arrogance annoys me.

I can’t root for a guy like that.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds deeper than that, brother.

Is that you, Nolan Nawrocki?

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well also, I hate black people. Clearly.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is not what I was suggesting.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

ahhh dry humor. Love it.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then you'd probably be happier if you jump ship to whichever team gets Clausen

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not a Clausen fan boy.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're not?

You certainly give the impression that you are.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a Hurricanes fan, not a Notre Dame fan. I just think he'll be a very good starting QB in the NFL.

And I’m not afraid to air my views, which is probably why half of you guys hate me.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't hate you at all.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We like you OldhamA..

We just like to give you shit also.

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by D-Ranged1 on May 4, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I look at it, we have 4 scenarios that could pan out (3 of them being alright with me)...

1: Clausen doesn’t improve, and Cam turns out to be another version of (insert QB bust comparison here, lest I receive a gazillion replies on why he doesn’t compare to someone specific), and we’re stuck in the mud for the next 4-5 years
2: Clausen doesn’t improve, and Cam achieves his potential, thus hopefully leading to winning seasons
3. Clausen improves, Cam sucks, but we still end up with one of them becoming our franchise guy (in this case, Clausen) and hopefully winning ensues
4. Clausen improves, Cam reaches his potential, and all across the land we’re lauded as “Mad Geniuses”, while 75% of the sports writing world forgets that they hate us right now and pretend to have “always been on the wagon”

They’re all valid views/scenarios that can pan out, so I don’t think feeling that Clausen can become a good QB (regardless of how Cam turns out) should really necessitate the derision it gets lol

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

#3 would likely backfire on us

Because if Clausen plays well then he’ll likely remain the starter. And we won’t see how good Cam is, until Clausen is traded the following off season.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I suppose I should've clarified that one lol
  1. is referring to us getting a good look at Cam as QB prior to writing him off (the scenario you’ve just mentioned would definitely suck though!)

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What do you think Rivera meant by saying that Clausen has a role on this team?

You think he’d say that if he was planning to cut or trade him as quick as possible? I seriously don’t think Rivera has ruled out Clausen as the starter week 1.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they meant "we don't want to admit he sucks because we want to trade him"

The water boy has a role on the team. Just because Clausen has a role doesn’t mean that role involves him being on the field.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

His role is curently trade bait.

Try to get anything you can for us Jimmy. Anything at all.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well that's just your hunch

Nothing they’ve said has suggested that. Rivera seems like a very straight forward guy. I really don’t think he’s decided whether he want’s Jimmy to be the starter, backup or traded.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The alternate argument is thus:

As soon as Luck declared Gantt said the Panthers were taking Newton… he swore by it. All his sources inside the organization said they were taking him.

Now Joe Person says “Signs point to no” when asked if Clausen will remain a Panther.

That alone lends credence to the idea he’s gone

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's a very shallow assumption

Mike Florio today on WFNZ made a good point that the longer we have a lockout, the less appealing free agents look. They need time to learn the plays, and be taught as well. You can’t just shove a play-book in their face a week before the 1st game and expect them to be able to execute it.

Clausen and at least has met with coaches and has the play-book (I assume). And with a delayed free agency that gives Jimmy a heads up on most FA’s.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I understand that

But honestly, I expect Joseph Person to have his finger on the pulse of the Panthers better than Mike Florio does.

I’m not arguing which is the better decision, all I’m saying is that a local beat writer is hearing that Clausen could be on his way out. Given the beat writers have been accurate lately, then I believe their sources are accurate.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just don't buy that at all

Nobody knows when free agency will be, or when they’ll be able to actually get to work with Cam in practice. Yet they’ve already determined that the only other legit QB on the roster is gone?

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, but I stopped reading at Mike Florio...

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Amen.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know I know

He had a feud with Smitty therefore everything he says must be wrong.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

More that he has established his website as being the TMZ of the NFL that will publish any schlock ASAP and then worry about fact checking and changing stories later.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

This is more so what i was referring to by saying “Amen”

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I wasn’t referring to his feud with Smitty. I was referring to the fact that nearly everything he writes is utter horse shit.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

He said they were taking Newton after the combine.

Might have been after the proday. He was saying Dareus at first. Now he is saying Jimmy stays, because he doesn’t have value.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

We're better off served keeping him as a backup.

For one he’s more prepared than Newton to run this offense right now, and two he could potentially improve his stock enough to get us that second round pick back. Trading him for peanuts right now doesn’t accomplish anything.

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by Flowing Willow on May 4, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we can even get that...

I feel like we’re seriously overvaluing what we could get in return for Clausen at this point, even factoring in “potential”; It’s not like we broke the bank to sign him, so why not keep him around for another season (or two, depending on development)?

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think if he starts next year and make the type of leap I expect.

We could potentially get a third, perhaps even a second round pick. I agree it’s probably a little far fetched for us to expect an equal return on our investment, but we can get more than the likely fifth round pick we’d get now, if we’re patient.

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by Flowing Willow on May 4, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Precisely...

if he shows improvement (I mean, people are slobbering over Sanchez now, and he didn’t even really improve THAT much from a largely mediocre rookie season lol), he’ll be worth much more; however, for the near term he’s largely worthless as trade bait…

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think all that means

is that he’s on the roster.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 4, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

They're gonna start Newton from the start.

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by OldhamA on May 4, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think they know yet

How could they? They’re not even allowed to talk to the guy.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really hope they do.

They better make him QB1 for TC and PS so he has a better chance at succeeding…

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still think they would be foolish to not have a competition for the starter spot.

If Newton is better then start him, if Clausen is better then let Newton sit a year then they try the competition again next year.

by MrBernz on May 4, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fully expect a QB battle leading up to the season..

Newton, Clausen, [insert veteran name here], hell, even Pike. There’s simply no reason for them not to. We, as fans, get caught up in the big names and such but I’m sure they view things quite differently with future job security in the equation. Why start a lesser QB if you’ve got a better one on the bench? I don’t think that’d be the way Rivera wants to start off his head coaching career.

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by D-Ranged1 on May 4, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The lockout could prevent us from signing a FA QB

We might have to stick with Clausen and Pike just because we won’t be able to get the play book in the hands of vets quick enough for them to be ready for the start of the season.

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by southtunnel on May 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

The problem is...

You don’t draft a guy #1 overall so he can compete for the starting position. When Cam was drafted, Clausen’s fate was sealed. He may “win” the starting job this season for a while, but make no mistake about it, Cam Newton was drafted to be the starting QB for the Carolina Panthers. Before the end of the season, I’d be willing to bet that Mr. Newton will be firmly seated in the starting role.

Personally, I think it was a very narrow-minded move on the front office’s part. By drafting Newton #1 overall, they announced to the team, the fans, and the rest of the NFL that they have no confidence in Clausen’s ability to become a quality starting QB for the Carolina Panthers. I also think the Panthers had an excellent opportunity to improve the team through other choices, but what’s done is done.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Couldn't agree more

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

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by OldhamA on May 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder when Rick is gonna post another Quest installment

I was hoping he would have one after the draft to put a funny twist on the draft class. I been looking forward to it, I always get a good laugh from his story.

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Been busy the last week or so. I've got a story in mind, just have to write it.

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

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Cool Thanks

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by BlackCatFan on May 5, 2011 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously Baker?? As the punter you are the LEAST respected person on the team, even less than the kicker

Way to make yourself even less respected, by hanging on to a jersey number that means nothing for you. Same goes for you, Clausen.

As for bringing back Delhomme, yall must be kidding. The past is the past, and its over with. I probably would have made some different decisions with my ex gf and even though I still kind of have a thing for her, Im not going to relive that again and the problems we had. Same situation here with delhomme. And anyone on this post who wants to bring back Delhomme, I implore you to sit down and watch every minute of the Arizona playoff game disaster again. Might make u change your mind. Just face it yall, that period is over.

Now as for McNabb, I dont want a thing to do with him. With McNabb, theres ALWAYS a problem, whether its with TO, Reid, an injury, Shanahan, whoever. Theres always a problem with him, and theres always something keeping him from winning and getting to the next level.

by jkp1516 on May 4, 2011 2:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Psh, I respect Baker, the guy's a champion and does his job well

I absolutely loved the shoestring tackle at the 1 this year when he ran down that Seattle PR. The guy is a player, and plays to the best of his ability.

Cam should pick another number. Its just a number, and requiring others bend to give it to you sends a message that you think you’re more important than the other players on the roster. That’s a bad initial message to send.

by ppalm on May 4, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

and i’ll add that it would show, to me at least, that he realizes that the NFL is not college ball. Next level, new team, new number. Pick a number and make it mean something to the name on the front of the jersey, instead of picking a number that only means something to the name on the back.

by Floods on May 5, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

For what it's worth...

Cam was on WFNZ with Frank Garcia and Moose yesterday, and he said that a lot more was being made out of the number deal than there really was. Maybe you want to say he was trying to backtrack, maybe not. But, he said he liked the #2 just because that’s what he’s worn and that his mother sometimes jokingly referred to her sons based on the order in which they were born – so there was a reason he liked the #2 as he was the second son. He did say that at the end of the day, a number was just a number, and that it really was not a big deal.

As to D-Ranged’s last comment – Moose told Cam that he took #87 when he was drafted because he wanted to take a new number and make it into something. So that may be something Cam takes into account.

by jamiedk on May 6, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really liked the end of that interview...

Moose and Frank said their ‘goodbye,’ and then Cam said something like: ‘hold on a second, I have a question for Moose.’

And he confirmed with Moose that he was on the 2003 SB team, and then asked him what a team that is 2-14 has to do to get to the point where they could get to a SB.

I thought that was an impressive thing for him to ask. I mean, who else is going to ask that in a radio interview? Jimmy?

This kid wants to win as much as anyone. Ever.

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by ERL on May 6, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can see Jimmy asking that question

Clausen: So, umm, Moose…what do we have to do to get to the Super Bowl?

Moose: Find a new quarterback.

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by BW Smith on May 6, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know..

Baker looked like our MVP a few times last season…

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by D-Ranged1 on May 4, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baker's an unsung hero on our team lol

He’s as productive as Sauerbrun, minus the roids and dui’s; field position is a defense’s best friend….

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by Tomthehomer on May 4, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I respect Jason Baker

He is one of the few guys on our team I have absolutely no doubt about. He comes out every week and booms those punts better than anyone. he even occasionally saves a touchdown or two with a nifty tackle.

Still… kickers are not to be trusted. They are crafty.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Baker had a Pro Bowl season at his position statistically

I don’t think any of us can determine who is, or isn’t respected among the team- even if it’s a stereotype among fans.

by James Dator on May 4, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

JUST TO CLARIFY...

I wasn’t saying that I don’t like Baker. I like him, and think he’s a very good punter. What I was saying, was that among the team, the kicker and punter are usually the least respected on the team, whether right or wrong.

by jkp1516 on May 4, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

John Kasay

… is appalled at your statement.

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by Tater596 on May 4, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

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by Ivan459 on May 4, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you would be hard pressed to find a Panther who doesn't respect Kasay.

I understand what you’re saying, but it hardly applies to the Panthers’ kicker. Baker has also earned his due respect. he was basically the MVP last season.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

well guys.. Looks like the players are expecting the permanent stay to be granted to the league, so we wont even have football again until mid July at the earliest. So yea

by PantherTrain on May 4, 2011 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

ok then...

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

James, leave that croc alone.

Crazy donk.

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by ERL on May 4, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

If this is Australian Rules Football… sign me up for watching some.

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by Ivan459 on May 4, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aussie football is actually more intense than this, believe it or not.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, pretty much.

One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.

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by BW Smith on May 4, 2011 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha, smooth

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by Ivan459 on May 4, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some images need no excuse.

Her name is Lucy Pinder. If you’re wondering. (and you know you are)

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by Tater596 on May 5, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

And she's British, so hands off.

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by OldhamA on May 5, 2011 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Oldhama

But if I had the opportunity to put hands on… I’m not sure the entire British army could stop me.

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by Tater596 on May 5, 2011 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now the French Army....that's a different story.

Naturally, they would offer their unconditional surrender.

Here’s a bit of a doozy:

Did you know that when you Google “French Military Victories,” it asks you if you meant “French Military Defeats.”

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by ERL on May 5, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

No way man, I'm launching my operation under the disguise of a royal wedding.

I already came and went.

… several times …

BA-ZING!

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by Tater596 on May 5, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

psssh, never stopped me before lol

British chicks: They don’t always have the best faces to look at it, but damn do they have some tig ol bitties!

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by Tomthehomer on May 5, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s what paper bags are for…

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by BW Smith on May 5, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait... the bags or the british chicks?

Are you sure you aren’t thinking of Japanese chicks?

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by Tater596 on May 5, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol the bags.

but Japanese chicks works, too. lol

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by BusyBeingAwesome on May 5, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

Is there by chance a carpool headed to the airport, or am I too late to the party?

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by D-Ranged1 on May 5, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m against Delhomme coming back. He was broken by the Cardinals mentally in 2008 and never recovered.

Collins left because he had issues and a busted jaw…

I don’t like Mcnabb… never have and I don’t see what all the fuss about him is about.

Volek – probably ain’t gonna happen.

Bulger – no idea.

by scorpion12 on May 5, 2011 7:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Delhomme = best mentor in the world!

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by Thee Steve Johnson on May 5, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I heard on the radio this morning that Steve Young and Trent Dilfer were taking the jersey number thing very seriously

The gist of their argument is that if Clausen gives up his jersey number to Newton, it will be almost like rolling over and accepting his fate. They both said that if Clausen does give up his number, it will send a horrible message to any potential suitors about his lack of fire and determination.

They claimed the jersey number swaps between players in other positions is different than QBs because the QBs are supposed to be the leader no matter what. If a QB just rolls over and gives it up without a fight, then he will never be seen as a true leader again.

Sounds like politics to me, but it does have some merit to it. If Jimmy and Cam come to an agreement, they will have to add a lot of PR to avoid it being seen as a submission on Jimmy’s part.

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by Tarheel Soldier on May 5, 2011 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Sounds like a lot of boredom is seeping into their radio broadcasts...

I mean, looking REALLLLY deeply into it, I can see what they’re getting at, but looking at it from a more rational standpoint: It’s a freaking jersey number! At that, it’s a number that Clausen doesn’t even have any connection to whatsoever!

Besides, QBs look weird in numbers below 7 (that includes Favre; I never liked him being #4, I just feel like that should be a kicker’s number).

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by Tomthehomer on May 5, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

they argued about it for a few minutes on that Audibles show that they do

Steve and Trent (the QBs) were saying there’s no way you give up your number to a guy that’s there to take your job. Keyshawn was basically saying he should and he will give up the number and I think Herm was leaning more towards the fact he thinks Clausen won’t be around so Cam will end up getting the number.

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by John Chilton on May 5, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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