Will the Carolina Panthers be "Keyshawn Johnson-ing" in 2011?
by James Dator on May 24, 2011 2:10 PM EDT
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The act of the Carolina Panthers bringing in an aging, troubled receiver to both stimulate their offense, while also placating another aging receiver, thus making him secure he's not the only 'playmaker' in the passing game. First and last seen in 2006.
Five years ago the Carolina Panthers were coming off one of the most successful seasons in team history. The team went to the NFC Championship game, but were ultimately outmatched by the more explosive Seattle Seahawks. Veteran WR Steve Smith had a scintillating year as he amassed over 1,500 yards receiving and won the receiving triple crown.
Across the other side of the field it was a different story. No other Panther WR managed to get over 25 receptions, and it was RB DeShaun Foster who was 2nd on the team in passes caught. The solution then was simple: Get another weapon. The thought was that with an already effective running game, a 1,000 yard receiver like Steve Smith and Jake Delhomme who came off a pro-bowl year the sky would be the limit.
The Panthers signed the player (and the baggage) that was Keyshawn Johnson...
More after the jump...
The Keyshawn experiment worked pretty well for the Panthers in 2006, but the defense wasn't quite as good as advertised and when DeShaun Foster was relied on to be the feature back he was mediocre. That being said, Johnson finished with over 800 yard receiving and 4 TDs at the age of 33, so should that really dissuade the Panthers from trying this tactic again?
As it stands there are numerous veteran WRs rife for 'Keyshawn Johnson-ing'. We've discussed the usual players before:
- Randy Moss (34 years old)
- Chad Johnson (33 years old)
- Terrell Owens (37 years old)
- Plaxico Burress (33 years old)
Each of these four players are damaged, all carry their own brand of baggage and all of whom would come at a cheap price. They also share in common all being former 1,000 yard receivers and having being the kind of tall targets Rob Chudzinski has used in his offenses in the past.
Do you think the Panthers will go Keyshawn Johnson-ing this offseason? Personally, I think it's a difficult prospect only because of the young talent currently in the receiving corps. Who are you willing to lose to get one of these players? I'm not sure there's a good answer to that question, even if someone wants to give a tongue-in-cheek answer and slyly say 'Armanti Edwards'.
Suppose for a second though that roster isn't a concern... imagine the Panthers didn't need to worry about roster limitations. Which of these four WRs would you have the Carolina Panthers sign, should they decide to bring in a veteran WR? My answer is simple, and the polar opposite of when the question was posed this time last year.
I would sign Terrell Owens.
The reasons for this move are simple, to me he's the best option out of these four to be a vertical passing threat and could help a big armed receiver like Cam Newton. From a pure passing perspective Newton is similar in his delivery and arm strength to Carson Palmer, whom Terrell Owens worked incredibly well with last year.
Yes, there is absolutely baggage in bringing in Owens. However, I feel that Newton would have the stones to stand up to his ego even during criticism. I don't see Cam as the 'wilting flower' type that would be crushed if yelled at. Furthermore, I feel Owens is the only guy on the list who has true #1 receiver potential left in him. Adding TO would allow Gettis to start opposite him, and Smitty to get his wish- play out of the slot.
When you have two clowns in the same place you wind up with a circus, and that's what occurred in Cincinnati with Owens and Johnson, however, with Smith infused in the situation you have a player who just wants to win. He wont make talk shows with TO, he won't do push-ups in his driveway and you never know another big ego at WR could help keep Owens in check a little bit.
I'm stopping short of outright lobbying, but it makes a lot sense for a lot of different reasons.
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"Keyshawn Johnson-ing"
Brilliant.
As for the question the article articulates (there’s some of that linguistic masturbation)…I hope not. Let’s just keep Papa Smurf.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
My vote...
…would to Ochocinco. Just for the pure entertainment factor.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
TO
He’s proved he can contribute regardless of QB, offensive scheme, or city. He’s also the best downfield blocker out the bunch.
Agree with T.O.
Because he blocks like a beast too. I’d say bring in Volek, T.O. These moves, of course, must be priority number 2 behind resigned Charles Johnson
Out of the above list, i regrettably also have to endorse T.O.
Here are the facts about the 4:
Randy Moss- Has proven that he is no longer productive without a good QB.
Chad Johnson- T.O. proved to have better chemistry with Carson Palmer, and Carson has been working with Ochocinco for way way longer. Therefore, that makes T.O. better
Plaxico Burress- No one can attest to how his skills have responded to his incarceration (although Vick is the perfect counterpoint). I can also tell you that the Big Cat would probably not sign off on an ex-con. Biggest boom/bust potential of the 4.
Terrel Ownes- Proved in Buffalo that he can keep his mouth shut and be a team player. Proved in Cincinnati that he’s still “got it” and can learn to work with a new QB quite quickly. I think he is the best option.
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I was actually leaning towards Plaxico
The reason being, he was a prolific receiver before he put a hole in his leg and got an extended vacation. I think he would probably be the best of the four with a lot to prove and way to much to lose. If I was Mr. Richardson, I’d grunt my approval to Marty and get him signed.
In situations like this when things are bad, the easy thing to do is fold up the tent, just pack it up and accept it. But winners and people who are successful realize that when things get tough, it’s an opportunity to define yourself. They realize that in this moment, you can do something great. - Jon Beason
by Tarheel Soldier on May 24, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree he could be the best of the 4
But he could also be the worst.
I just don’t see Big Cat approving it, even if it appears the organization is taking a new open minded approach. JR still prides himself on providing a family friendly atmosphere on Sundays, having an ex-con on the team soils that reputation a bit.
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I think longterm, Burress could be the best option.
I sure would hope that nearly losing his physical manhood due to a stupid and accidently self- inflicted gunshot would teach him a lesson.
But, I do say longterm, because after being removed from a true football physical training program has to have put him at a disadvantage. Vick is an example. He was in what most would consider good shape after he was released from prison, but he wasn’t in football shape. He didn’t have his feet/legs under him like he did before prison. It took a year of almost military-style training before he got back into his current football shape. That’s why I think Burress could be a good impact player EVENTUALLY, but I wouldn’t expect a significant impact from Day 1.
T.O. is older. Burress has more productive years ahead of him. It comes down to whether you want an immediate impact, but an impact that won’t last for much longer (T.O.), or if you have the patience for Burress to really get his feet back under him.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Not "longterm" per se...
But, 34 is better than 37.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
I just fail to see why we would trade a guy who can be more productive than any of these guys.
Of the nine or so players we do have under contract, one actually happens to be a proven, capable WR. Fourth round picks be damned.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
My assumption was keep Smitty AND bring in a vet… move Smitty to the slot and let Edwards and Pilares learn on the job from Smith.
Of course, this was only based on the supposition that roster constraints weren’t a problem. To me, that is the most prohibitive element to bringing in a veteran WR.
Oh, gotcha.
Okay, well I guess I’m not against it totally. The only thing is, as you eluded to, we’ve got four or five guys who are first or second year players in need of snaps. But the thing is, does that inexperience make another veteran EVEN MORE of a need? Maybe it does.
But I think that Gettis can be as good as any of those guys. He may not be as physical and as strong as TO, or as good of a blocker, but he’s got a bit more speed and he proved to be a good route-runner last season. I think he’s ready to be the #2. Lafell is more of your ‘X-WR’ as well, so we have some depth.
Now if we discover that Money and Pilares aren’t ready to contribute, and then Wallace, Martin, Clowney and Guy don’t give us enough—sure, sign a vet.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
This is only my opinion , but
Signing T.O. would be crazy in my mind. And makes no sence, yeah I know as of late we been going aggressive, but not stupid. I know Mr Dator is of high authority around here, but I think he may have lit up before writing his post. To me if your going to take a risk between these guys, only Chad Johnson and Plaxico Burress are worth it. Chad because of him and Smitty playing in school before. But I would rather have Plaxico, because he seems to have embrace the same role Mike Vick has. Plus he has the most rested legs out the four.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 2:49 PM EDT reply actions
It's cool to state an opinion
But let’s not do the “you must be on crack” kind of thing.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Well I was meaning Ms Mary!
And only in a joking matter, I have seen and been envoled in a whole lot worse. I know Dator is intelligent, and I feel like I’m not mocking him to the point towards umpleasant.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, dude.
Mary is alright with me, but right now it looks like we have just as many folks in favor of signing a vet (such as TO), so its not that wacky of an opinion.
Now if he said something like: ’let’s sign Tiki Barber,’ then I’m with you, (and James, subsequently, is on crack).
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Yeah!
But to me signing TO is kind of like signing Tiki. He is also the Chief Dawg around here and when a man of his stature makes a claim as high as he did people will follow. I’m just on the other side trying to find help to blow this away before the front office reads and follows Dator too lol.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'm for a Vet just not TO or Moss!
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Def not Moss.
He showed his true colors last season when things weren’t perfectly peachy.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
TO isn't as bad as you're making him out to be.
I’m not saying he’s Johnny Perfect, but he’s nothing like Tiki Barber.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I may sound harsh but thats just how I write sorry if I'm bothering anyone but
Has Tiki ever spit in a man’s face, in a Super Bowl was he ever in his QB’s face telling him to keep giving me the ball, until he just got his QB off his game costing his team a Super Bowl ( this is my reasoning). Yes, I don’t like Tiki but nethier do I like TO.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not bothering me...
And yes, Tiki has done stuff like that. He just goes about it a different way. Instead of being loud and boisterous, he’s pouty and sulky, which in my opinion is much worse.
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
I can agree to that!
But I still think Tiki and TO have alot in common. And just incase followers are not reading the whole thread, I am for a Vet just not TO or Moss.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
T.O. for a one year deal sounds fine to me. Newton seems like the guy TO would Love and vice versa. Short term i think its fine longer then that and he will eat us alive
"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Robert McCloskey
Geez
also, hate to admit it- but T.O. would be my choice as well
2010: 72 receptions, 47 for first downs, 15 receptions of 20+ yards, 3 receptions of 40+ yards, 9 tds
he still shows a knack for getting open, and his speed is still deceptive.
Sometimes he does have a propensity for dropping easy catches, but it’s hard to argue with 47 first down catches….
T.O. out diva Ohco!
Is what happen in Cincy, it’s not talked about but I think that was the case. T. Owens is due for a outrage, plus I don’t see Smitty putting up with him and that would make it hard on Cam when Smittys in one ear and TO in the other. I think we all need to go to some past Fanposts that some of you guys wrote about TO and read, so you all are reminded.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions
I think you miss the hyperthetical point of the post
James is asking in the event they chose to do so, and provided a possible list of “Keyshawn-like” candidates, and asked for our opinions on the list provided. I too share the opinion that we don’t need the potential baggage that comes with these players- but for the sake of the exercise in this post- you make a choice and back it up. Or you say we dont need any of those guys- but at least stay within the context of the post, and dont go all negative on everything.
No I didn't my man:-)
Just have got ripped a new one on here when I have made outragous Fanposts, even by Dator truly. I did pick Plaxico, and I think he could be a viable option. I just happen tp be totally against the signing of TO. I am trying my best not to be offensive and still get my point across.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Here's my order
1. OchoCinco
2. T.O. (if he wasnt older than Chad he would be #1)
3. Burress
4. Moss
Lets see....
Randy Moss – Questionable motivation and, even more so, questionable remaining talent. Went through 3 different teams in one year and none of them felt he was worth keeping around. If they can’t make room for him, I don’t think we should either.
Chad Johnson – Had an “ok” 2008 season, came back in 2009, then had a decent season across from Owens. At this point in his career, I don’t think the talent is worth the off field antics.
Terrell Owens – Everyone already knows the baggage that comes with Owens.
Plaxico Burress – With training camp, pre-season, and even part of the season in question, picking up an out-of-the-loop receiver just doesn’t make sense to me. Sure, he was doing well before he went in but he’s going to need time to get back in NFL condition and also learn the playbook, while remembering how to catch a ball. I just think that’s too much to take on for a one year solution.
In the end, I think I have to agree with James here and go with Owens. He did go to Cincinnati and outperform Ocho on his own team, after all. That’s the kind of impact I’d like to see if we’re looking for a 1 year plug’n’play option. Owens also had an “acceptable” 2009 year in Buffalo, and hit three straight 1K yard, double digit touchdown seasons before that, in Dallas. I’d expect his attitude to do nothing but fire Smith up. I wouldn’t mind watching them attempt to outperform one another all year.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000301308419 - The idiot behind the post.
I just don't think the organization is in the "Win. Now." mode that we were in when we signed Keyshawn
After 2005, the FO surely knew our window for winning a super bowl was closing. We already had the disappointment in 04, then the NFC championship loss in 2005. They saw that we needed a #2 WR above all else (kind of like what the Falcons saw this year), so they went out and got one, thinking it was their year to win it all.
Right now, we are rebuilding. We don’t have an urgency to fill a #2 WR spot with an aging star. We have a young roster to develop and need to separate the winners from the losers. Basically, there needs to be a young guy in that #2 role learning, regardless of his ability.
If we lose Smith however, we really need one of these guys. We absolutely have to have a veteran WR on the field to give our young QBs the best chance at development too. One thing an aging star will provide is crisp routes and smart play. Once they lose a step, they figure out how to find holes in coverage, and run better routes to get open. This is what a young QB needs to see.
Ideally, we need a veteran at the Z, and our youth at the X and Y. Unless we have an amazing season where all this youth breaks out together, we are probably 2 seasons away from being in Win. Now. mode again. If we still don’t have an established 2 by then, we should revisit conversations like this one.
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by Tater596 on May 24, 2011 3:52 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
Right now a veteran hurts us more than it helps us, we’re a rebuilding team, a vet takes away reps from our younger wideouts and potentially stunts their growth. Plus it’s not like any of these guys are going to significantly impact our win total. I think Smith fills the Keyshawn role adequately at this point, whether we need a new Smith will hopefully be evident after this year.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on May 24, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I would take Plaxico - with a 24 hr minder....
ps – Keyshawning someone is already taken – see Gruden, John – 2003
the practice of an NFL team de-activating a player midway
through a season (practice is/was banned)
by panthersnbraves on May 24, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
He wasn't listed but
How about Santana Moss, He is a free agent, he is a Vet and his numbers in 2010 are as followed 93 catches, 1115 yards, 6 TD’s. Plus I think the guy is even-keel, so I don’t believe he will be a problem for Cam and company.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 4:43 PM EDT reply actions
Not a bad idea, and I think someone mentioned it last week.
To me he has always been kind of an economically challenged man’s Steve Smith.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Moss at this point in his career
would make a great slot receiver, in which Smith wants to play in. Heck i’m sure Moss would like to resign with the Redskins or contend for a title while he can still produce.
I also like
James Jones his stats were 50 catches, 679 yards, and 5 TDs last year in a system design to spread the ball around.
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on May 24, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
If he can stop dropping
the easy passes, then I would like him as an option. Lets be honest, he plays behind 2-3 good receivers in front of him, let see how he does if he was a #2 elsewhere.
My first thought on this was....the Falcons.
except instead of the aging receiver they brought in the rookie. In both cases though a very high price was paid, a price that may place way too much pressure on a rookie.
All of those wideouts listed can't catch a cold. They're so old it's a miracle they haven't developed the urge to chase young children off their lawns while waving a walking cane. ((Haha))
Here’s what we should do. The Jets are not going to be able to keep both of their receivers and they’ve already stated that their key mission during the off-season is to resign Santonio Holmes. That will leave Braylon Edwards a key free agent and he’s a good deep-threat. He’s about as good as a wideout as we are going to get after free agency hits.
Sign him up. Get it done.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Are we sure we want Braylon Edwards?
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One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Will T.O
embrace playing with a rookie Qb instead of a veteran? Since he has been playing with mostly veterans. I wouldn’t want 2 diva Qb’s in a rookie ears complaining about the lack of passes trhwon to them. Heck T.O gave up on many routes last year, the same could be said with Chad J. Braylon E is a nice option, but will he want to play for a rebuilding team? Not everybody cares about money lol.
No way in hell do I want T.O.
He’s a cancer, plain and simple. All you have to do is to look at his resume: SF, DAL, PHI, BUF, CIN. All short stints that were in the end unsuccessful. He’s like Jessica Simpson, he’s the neighborhood whore that everyone thinks is going to be great, but then they get with him and find out that he’s not all that he’s cracked up to be, and that he’s costs more to you than he’s actually worth.
Make no mistake about it, Owens is a cancer. One that everyone is just happy to rid themselves of it/him. He’s past his prime, and like Keyshawn, won’t make much of an impact. Don’t let your desire to be once again a good team cloud your judgement of what we already know. I want us to be good too, however, the best thing we can do now is to just go with who we’ve got.
And P.S. Keyshawn was basically the FA acquisition that made the Carolina Panthers go into anti-FA mode. So, let’s not repeat history, but learn from our mistakes!
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because I don’t think it’s been mentioned, but Steve Smith and Chad “Johnson” were teammates for Santa Monica College back in the day. Not sure if they like(d) each other as teammates but it’s worth noting.
Happens to all of us.
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Maybe
TO if you look back at the teams he has been with has always been a good team mate his first year on a team. He doesn’t seem to go into crazy mode until after the first year. So on a 1 year deal I would be ok with that and even be cautiously excited about it.
That being said, I’m not sure we are really in “win now” mode this year. As much as I would like to think we could turn into a playoff team this year, with a rookie QB, this lock out mess, a new head coach and offensive coordinator, I don’t see us getting to the playoffs. If this was next year and Cam has a year under his belt and the team has a year of experience with Rivera and Chud then I would be for it. We can afford to see how LaFell and Gettis do this year. We should have a very clear picture of both of them after the season.
Lure Sidney Rice back home!!!
Sidney Rice would be the down field threat newton needs. Plus he can play in his back yard for a team on the rise rather than a tumbling Vikings squad that face similar issues on offense. The Panthers compliment Sidney’s growth better than the Vikes in my opinion.
by DeeCamz on May 24, 2011 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nah
I say we just eat sh$t this year with our rookies and if gettis or lafell can’t hack it then cut em and look at some vets. 2012 may be our year but 2011 most likely is not so lets just keep those rookes in positions to gain some experience.
I say we just stick with our own clown
David Clowney that is.. and what about the other long rangey receiver that got hurt in preseason? Forgot his name.. But all these dudes listed are washed up.. No thanks. We’ll be fine with what we got.
by stylz p on May 25, 2011 1:16 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wallce Wright?
The forgotten dude, injured in preseason.. Lol!
by stylz p on May 25, 2011 1:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wright was not brought in to be Jerry Rice.
They wanted a Special Teams leader a la Hankton, who, you might remember, occasionally caught a pass. Despite all the talk of rushers and receivers, this team still desperately needs to strengthen its Special Teams.
Does anyone remember a couple years ago when Chad was demanding a trade?
He said “89+84=Super Bowl.”. Here is our chance.
by Daddy Jacks on May 25, 2011 3:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Go Younger
The Chargers are rumored to be interested in Smith. If they are really serious, see what kind of trade they would make with Vincent Jackson in the deal; they were really ticked at him last year until he got on the field. I’ll bet Chud would be salivating to have that weapon here.
Newton Jackson Shockey with Gettis and Laffell would be a very potent Red Zone offense
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by MMA_PITBULL on May 25, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Honestly? After all the vet cutting last season?
After all the cleaning house of players “past their prime” last year, it wouldn’t make much sense from Panthers front office to seek out other players “past their prime”. Wouldn’t they just be recreating a situation they just got themselves out of??
Besides, I think it’s more important for LaFell and Gettis to see the field, who knows one maybe one or both of them can develop into something great and then we have a WR to last us for the next 5-10 years or so! They both had plenty of playing time last season and both showed flashes of talent that could lead to them being solid players in this league.
Bringing in a washed up vet would just take away from our young WRs reps which I think will just slow their development. As long as Smitty is around I don’t see any reason to go after any of these older dudes.
I tend to agree, Jakeypoo (sorry, that's just what I call Delhomme).
But if Money and Pilares can’t contribute yet (and neither can Wright, Martin, Clowney or Guy), then we really only have 3 WRs. I’d be nice to have another veteran option. Would it be one of the guys on this list? Probably not, but I could see a scenario where we need one more WR. Who, you might ask? Well…I’ll rank these “probable” FA WRs from one to 14.
Santana Moss, Redskins…1
Terrell Owens, Bengals…10
Braylon Edwards, Jets…11
Mark Clayton, Rams…3
Randy Moss, Titans…14
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Ravens…13
Donte’ Stallworth, Ravens…12
Andre’ Davis, Texans…5
Brian Finneran, Falcons…8
Kevin Curtis, Chiefs…4
Greg Lewis, Vikings…9
Kelley Washington, Chargers…7
Legedu Naanee, Chargers…2
Brandon Stokley, Seahawks…6
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Wouldn't it have just been easier to list them in order without the numbers?
Because now I’m confused…
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Maybe. I copied and pasted the list from CBS Sports, so all I had to do was throw a number to the side.
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Thief...
One cries because one is sad. For example: I cry because others are stupid, and it makes me sad.
Yes, well.
Why do work yourself when you can take someone else’s?
NOW LEMME HOLD ABOUT A TREE FIDDY???
"Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! "
Jakeypoo? haha been called weirder things!
Yeah, I honestly liked what little things I saw from Wallace Wright in the preseason before he got injured and even though Clowney didn’t do much he seems to be the kind of guy who will work hard every single play and he’s got great speed, he also had an amazing catch last season where he caught it just by his finger tips going to the ground, but I’m not sure if anyone remembers that.
Santana can still rock, man ("Oye Como Va")!!
The rest of the list is a bunch of JAGs, though. If we lose Smitty, then maybe pick up S. Moss. Otherwise, go with what we’ve got.
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
Still not sure about Armanti...
Unless he had some kind of crazy Receiver revelation this past offseason I honestly don’t see him making the team, especially with the drafting of Pilares who looks very similar to Smitty.
I doubt he would be treated differently than a reciever drafted this year
Remember, he’s basically this year’s 2nd round pick. A common reason to move forward like that is to get project players that are only expected to be great at the same time as if you picked a player the following year.
Everyone likes to discount how useful a reciever with an arm can be. I can almost guarantee they’ll give him time, because having him on the field for reverses or an option pitch on a QB draw will make his roster spot insanely valuable, even if he is only a 4th WR.
That's the idea
Just having him on the field forces the defense to have to consider a whole new big range of playcalling possibilities. Will he just go out for a pass? Will he run? Will he throw a pass? Any number of options are opened by just having him on the field. If he proves that he can be a receiving threat along with a threat to run and pass, we will have a dangerous weapon.
It’s like a gun. At all times you treat a gun like it is loaded and ready for use. By putting Armanti on the field, it is the same concept.
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The things is...
Won’t the defense already have to consider ALL those things with Cam on the field?? (aside from maybe going out for a pass, but honestly… who knows? he did it at Auburn) If Armanti doesn’t develop his receiving skills where and how do we use him?? It doesn’t make a lot of sense to bring him in on the “mountaineer package” because are you really gonna take the ball out of Cam’s hands who can also take off and run and has a cannon to sling it?? It would add a little flair to the offense with Armanti, but I think that’s what Cam is going to bring… We need depth at WR and that is where Armanti HAS to improve, I’m pulling for Armanti but I’m just not sure what happens. If it comes down to having a better receiver or a jack of all trades, I honestly think we need that receiver. Don’t get me wrong, I would to see Armanti come in and tear it up at WR but we just haven’t seen much yet. Time will tell!
I think the difference
Is that Cam is a quarterback. When he is on the field the expectation is for him to throw or run the ball. But when you bring in Armanti in the slot, are they going to run a reverse where he throws the ball down the field? Do you put him in the backfield next to Cam? Who will they snap it to? I think that’s the extra wrinkle that Armanti can bring.
by BusyBeingAwesome on May 26, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
And you could theoretically sneak Cam out of the backfield as a receiver, too.
But that type of play usually works awesome or results in a disaster…very small success window. That’s probably why NFL OCs are reluctant to use stuff like that.
But I hope we do. It would just solidify the belief that these aren’t your older brother’s Panthers.
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What if you don't have an older brother?
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by Flowing Willow on May 26, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Then they wouldn't be you Father's Panthers....
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by Panther4Life!!! on May 27, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well what if I don't have a father?
jk. I’m actually the older brother, Panthers were born the same year I was. :)
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by Flowing Willow on May 27, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I see him making the team, based solely off of his unique skillset
i.e. being about to pass, catch (theoretically), run. That and I think he’ll get a pass for at least another year. If he shows NO improvement, then yeah, he’ll be cut. Bit I think all he needs to do is simply show SOME improvement to be kept on the team. He has value in special packages (OC Gump thought a trick play was switching creme filled doughnuts for lemon filled). Also, it might be tough for Hurney to admit he made mistakes on two of his top three draft choices from last year.
by BusyBeingAwesome on May 25, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
By not making the team I didn't mean cut necessarily...
I could see Armanti going to the practice squad…Because I doubt we’ll keep more than 6 receivers so assuming Smitty stays:
My Projection of WR
1) Steve Smith
2)David Gettis
3)Brandon LaFell
4)David Clowney
5)Wallace Wright
6)Kealoha Pilares
Clowney wont make the 53
He’s a free agent, Armanti still has 3 years left on his rookie contract. It doesn’t make economic sense to cut Edwards, pay out the rest of his contract and then pay Clowney.
Guarantee you that if Armanti hits the practice squad
He will get picked up by another team.
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I don't think it's quite as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
But I agree, there’s not a very good chance he slips through waivers.
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by Flowing Willow on May 26, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the scenario that plays out in my head...
The Pats pick him up off of waivers – therefore, getting not only the pick we gave up to get AE, but also getting AE himself. At this point, the Pats will have screwed us twice.
Within his first season with the Pats, they turn him into Wes Welker 2.0. Therefore, screwing us a third time.
HOPEFULLY, none of that will happen, and AE will be able to repeat having the most receptions this preseason and show that while he’s probably not cut out for a return man, he’s a very viable option for a WR and was an unfortunate victim of our lameduck coach who was pissed the FO drafted AE in the first place. (Talk about a run-on sentence.)
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Yeah if the Pats get a hold of him I'll be worried.
Somewhat unrelated, I dislike the reasoning that we had to take him because the Colts were going to select him a few picks later. While the Colts are a good organization, Polian has a horrible track record in the third round. The fact he wanted Armanti shouldn’t have inspired any excitement.
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by Flowing Willow on May 27, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
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