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Let's settle this "Favre to mentor Cam" rumor

There seems to be a lot of information (read: misinformation) regarding this rumor of former Vikings QB Brett Favre 'mentoring' #1 overall pick Cam Newton. This post aims to be a repository for the genesis of this rumor, and hopefully put this to rest until we get some real information.

 

- Where did it start?

This rumor originally surfaced a couple of months ago when the Panthers were considering Newton as the #1 overall pick. When Cam signed with agent Bus Cook the connection was inevitably made to Brett Favre and random message boards started the rumor that Favre would work with Newton. This initial rumor was quick to die.

More on this after the jump...

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- When did it return?

It's not Buck's fault, but this really is a case of taking a ball and running with it. On Brenston Buckner's radio show in Charlotte he said the following (emphasis mine): "What better guy for Brett to coach than the No. 1 overall pick,'' said Buckner, a Charlotte, N.C. sports radio host for WFNZ-AM. "And what better guy for Cam Newton to learn from than a future Hall of Famer.

"Brett has seen everything and has a wealth of knowledge. If I'm Cam's agent, I get on the phone with Brett and say, 'I want you to tutor this guy,' Brett could help give him that sound base, so that when he does get in there, Cam's ready to roll."

This is little more than a radio host and former Carolina Panthers' player offering his opinion, but when this is coupled with Bus Cook's statement ESPN went all a-tizzy:

"Brett has offered to do that before with Cam, He would obviously be delighted to work with Cam. They've met and they've talked."

I don't know about you guys, but I've met and talked to a lot of people... but that doesn't mean I'm training them for anything.

 

- So, where do we file this one? 

I'd say we can firmly file this one under 'all smoke, no fire'. There is literally zero indication the Carolina Panthers have any intention or desire to have Cam Newton work with Brett Favre. Until the lockout is lifted Newton will be working with Fred Whitfield, and Cam already has a 'mentor' in Warren Moon. They will work with the QB until Mike Shula can begin coaching.

Ultimately, the media are desperate for NFL story-lines right now because there is absolutely nothing happening now. Since the draft ended and there is no free agency there are only so many 'Where will Kevin Kolb end up?' stories they can run, so outlets have resorted to taking op-ed pieces and turning them into stories. Could I be wrong? Absolutely, maybe the Panthers will surprise... but as it stands there is no credible information that there is any connection between Brett Favre and Cam Newton other than sharing and agent and meeting each other.

I'm with Darin Gantt on this one who said he would be(via Twitter):

"Would be stunned if they even considered it."

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I don’t see it either. I mean yes they have the same agent. but so what? I think this is Farve and his Agent trying to stick his wagon on a new horse. Newton will be in headlines for the remainder of the year. Farve wants some of the spotlight

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by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Favre probably wouldn't be that helpful anyways

No doubt Favre is an extremely gifted QB. But does that necessarily translate to being a good mentor? Is Favre’s “magic” something that can be taught, or something strictly innate?

More importantly, the USA Today mentioned that Cam is already immersed in learning the new playbook with Ken Dorsey and Chris Weinke.

The encouraging news for Panthers fans anxious to see Newton is that the new face of their franchise is already immersed in learning the team’s playbook with the help of former NFL QB and current IMG mentor Ken Dorsey, who played for Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski at the University of Miami from 2000-2003.

Newton has been at IMG’s training facility working with Dorsey, former Panthers QB Chris Weinke and other players in Bradenton, Fla., since May 2 after taking a brief respite at home following the April 28-30 draft.

Article: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/05/tutoring-of-cam-newton-could-be-done-by-brett-favre/1

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I think this is better news than being on Favre-watch

This means Cam isn’t just on an island this off season, scratching his over the playbook. But he’s actually getting personal training with guys who know exactly how Chud plans to use him.

I also assume things like this don’t usually happen without some under the table conversation. If so, then it could imply that Rivera is getting Cam ready to start game one.

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Panthers had a plan in place when they drafted him. They are going to put him in the situation to succeed. Now its on him to learn it earn it and make the most of it on the field.

"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

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by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling they were developing this plan before they drafted him

Rivera seems like a pretty thoughtful and thorough guy

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Rivera has been working on his plan for quite some time and i think that is why he got to job. Hurney and JR are letting him act his plan and i think we are going to be really good in the next few years. If we can keep Chud we have the chance to be Superb.

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by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, ST. Apparently there's quite a bit of player/coach contact going on...

although nothing specifically naming the Panthers. See story here

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 11, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Does it count if ownership goes to a middleman and then that middleman does all the coaching?

Sounds like a very dubious way of getting around the whole no contact thing.

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by Tater596 on May 11, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well considering the two people working with Newton…Dorsey who played for Chud at Miami and Weinke who is a former Panther himself…Id say we already did that

"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Robert McCloskey

by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

my point was… if you go through a middleman, so that there is not direct communication, what does it matter?

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by Tater596 on May 11, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

There's clearly ways around it... and remember, this is not a legal constraint.

It appears the league recognizes the futility of trying to enforce its no contact rule, so a blind eye is being turned particularly at the asst. coach level. I can envision a daily call occurring from Shula to Dorsey to ask about Cam’s progress; and if the phone happens to be on speaker, and Cam happens to be in the room, well what are you going to do?

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 11, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a sucker for breaking rules

Especially stupid or meaningless rules. If people didn’t push the boundaries of the law, then we’d never have substantial change in this country.

Now let me stop before I ridiculously compare the NFL lockout to Civil rights or something.

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, I wouldn't think you could bar an organization

from speaking to any and every person that may have contact with a player. I’m assume it’s happening all across the league.

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by John Chilton on May 11, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett Favre: “If I give you $5,000 will you tell me I matter?”

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 11, 2011 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Hes turned into Punxsutawney Phil of NFL. If Farve pops his head out it means 3 more months until Football

"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Robert McCloskey

by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

“pops his head out”

pun intended? Don’t give Favre the opportunity please!

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by Jaxon on May 11, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

And rec'd

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by AParker on May 11, 2011 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, C'mon dude guy, y'all know y'all wanna look at my garbage.

Derp.

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 11, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind, Favre will need a means of staying relevant

If he doesn’t play this year, then it’s not likely he’s going to sit at home and keep to himself. That’s never been his forte. He’s the type of guy that will need a way to get back in the Sport’s media headlines. Getting involved with a polarizing rookie like Newton would be a good way to accomplish this.

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I personally would love for Brett Favre to mentor Cam Newton!

I mean, who better to learn from than a future Hall of Fame QB! Chris Weinke may have played for the Panthers, but didn’t do much in his 5 years with the team. And Ken Dorsey didn’t have a whole lot of success in the league either, unlike Brett Favre. I realize a lot of you hate Favre, but he’d be a much better QB to learn from than someone who accomplished little in their NFL careers. I know understanding and playing for Chud’s offense at the University of Miami may help, but it seems better to learn from an NFL Pro himself than just a former great college QB. Not saying it’ll happen, but I’d be thrilled if it did. Just my two cents.

by JayfromVA on May 11, 2011 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

And although I wasn't a huge proponent of drafting Cam,

I hope he turns into a future Pro Bowler and Hall of Fame QB for the Panthers! Would love to see the Panthers get back to the Super Bowl, and it’d be even better if they could play the Patriots again and get revenge! I also hope Clausen and Pike turn into legit NFL QBs for us and help bring us tons of success for many years!

by JayfromVA on May 11, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Jimmy AND Tony become LEGIT QB’s for us, then that means Cam wont be a Pro Bowler or Hall of Famer. But.. I do hope, as well, Cam can get us back to the super bowl eventually. And possible revenge on the Pats would be nice.

THIS IS THE YEAR!

by CubsPanthersTarHeels on May 11, 2011 12:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I hope Jimmy and Tony become legit qbs

so we can trade them and load up on draft picks…

by mlrupert on May 11, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand what you are saying???
If Jimmy AND Tony become LEGIT QB’s for us, then that means Cam wont be a Pro Bowler or Hall of Fame

How is Cam’s success somehow linked to Clausen and Pike?

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Clausen and Pike’s success should not hinder Cam Newton’s development. I’m happy with any of them as long as they bring us victories!

by JayfromVA on May 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I’m saying is if Jimmy and Tony are playing enough to become legitimate, then Cam probably hasn’t done something right and won’t achieve elite status. What I’m hoping for, though, is Cam to take hold of the QB position, be great, be our franchise QB, and make people forget our backups names, kinda like Peyton and Brady have done.

THIS IS THE YEAR!

by CubsPanthersTarHeels on May 11, 2011 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't see any correlation

First of all, what sort of QB carousel catastrophe would have to happen in order for 3 QBs to play enough to prove they are “legitimate” or not?

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It does if Jimmy lights it up and Cam never gets the chance to play

That would be one scenario where his success is linked to Clausen and/or Pike

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 11, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He'll play eventually

We’d trade one or the other in that scenario. And Cam’s performance will have nothing to do with what Jimmy did. And why would Pike even be playing?

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by southtunnel on May 11, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just simply saying that there's a connection between Newton and Clausen

That’s all. If Jimmy came in and played lights out, Newton’s success would be delayed, therefore affected.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 12, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I realize that

I was responding to the question you posed:

How is Cam’s success somehow linked to Clausen and Pike?

Nothing more, nothing less.

And yes, my impression is that Cam will start immediately.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 12, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can back his statement up.

But I cannot spend the time finding a link right now.

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 13, 2011 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, you should be able to just fart one out.

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by BW Smith on May 13, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

ew

I don’t need it then.

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by Flowing Willow on May 14, 2011 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A Super Bowl would be awesome!

But we know it’ll take time, but hopefully sooner rather than later.

by JayfromVA on May 11, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Favre is a 1st ballot HOFer who loves playing football.

He obviously loves the camaraderie and the pretty secretaries as well. One thing he does share with Cam is the enjoyment of the game. The secrets to his success, however:
1) he could improvise like Francis Tarkenton 2.0
2) he’s a tough son-of-a-be-atch
3) he never saw a receiver that wasn’t open.
Those traits worked to the tune of one SB victory and one SB loss during a stellar 20-year career; culminating with career records of all kinds, including interceptions. I’m not taking anything away from him — he was fun to watch — but is the mighty Lorenzo really the right mentor?

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 11, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Well, maybe it is a bit more than smoke...

This from Steve Reed:

Brett Favre has offered to tutor new Panthers QB Cam Newton, according to The Sporting News. Bus Cook represents both players. “Brett has offered to do that before with Cam,” Cook told TSN. “He would obviously be delighted to work with Cam. They’ve met and they’ve talked.”

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 11, 2011 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I for one am not really concerned with dispelling the rumor.

I mean, I don’t see any harm in it. Brett is a future HOFer, and is inarguably one of the top 5-8 QBs in the history of the league. Did he make some bone-headed throws in big spots? Yes. But I think that is more a reactionary flaw, something that would not carry over into Brett’s ‘teaching.’

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 11, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's true, ERL Having given it some time to soak in, so to speak, maybe someone

that’s made the mistakes is the right person to show a protege how to avoid them. If not, he should at least be able to teach Cam his renowned mega-stinger ass slap.

Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?

by Rick Bates on May 11, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

...and how to:

“Put ‘er in the ol’ vise!”

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 11, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brett could create something out of nothing and despite all the dick jokes and drama the past few years the old gun slinger is one of the best to ever step foot on the field. He played with a childs heart for the game every sunday for MANY straight games. He wouldn’t be my first choice to mentor our future but he wouldn’t be my last either

"I have opinions of my own -- strong opinions -- but I don't always agree with them." - George Bush

"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." - Robert McCloskey

by MMA_PITBULL on May 11, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seems to me Favre is looking to springboard his “coaching career” by using the hottest commodity he shares with his agent. To me its all irrelevant. If Favre wants to mentor a kid, he needs to tell him about the dangers of addictions, the consequences of flirting with team massage therapists and avoiding alienating the fan base by waffling on whether or not to retire. For all that is holy, can we the fans go one summer without hearing about that assclown?

by Disciple of Carolina on May 11, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Honestly...

I actually hope it isn’t true. My perceptions are colored, admittedly, by how he handled dealing with Aaron Rodgers — which was to say, he didn’t. Rodgers has publicly said in interviews that Favre barely talked to him, didn’t really give him much advice, was aloof and above it all. He wasn’t a mentor of any sort, because he still saw himself as the Iron Man of the NFL, and nothing was going to dethrone him of that status.

As it is, Favre has sunk to the level of a needy drama-queen who can’t stand to not be relevant to the NFL in some way or form. It’s sad, really.

by NX75649 on May 11, 2011 3:45 PM EDT reply actions  

But I think there's a big difference in mentoring Cam and Aaron Rodgers

Favre took it as a personal insult when the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers and his point was that I am here to win football games, not babysit this kid. Sure there are a lot of drama queen issues with Favre, but I see them as more the fact that the guy has NOTHING outside of football, IMO. This is his life and the waffling comes from not knowing what to do after leaving the game he loves so much. I hate the way he waffled and what it did to his team, but when I put that aside I see a guy that loves football, knows how to prepare, knows how to read a defense, and knows a thing or two about winning games and winning over a huddle. So I’m fine with Favre mentoring Cam if it’s true.

God help us all.

by BusyBeingAwesome on May 11, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Would I help a young kid who was hired to ultimately take my job? No. Call me a lone wolf, or not a team player, but one has to protect oneself.

Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by ERL on May 11, 2011 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure there are a lot of drama queen issues with Favre, but I see them as more the fact that the guy has NOTHING outside of football

Sure he does. He has a grandchild by his oldest, party animal daughter. He and Palin could run in 2012 on the same ticket.

Oh shit, I just made something bad happen didn’t I?

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by Oi2dwrld on May 11, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

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