Does Steve Smith help or Hurt the Carolina Panthers in 2011?
Steve Smith. when you say the name you think intensity. Fiery. Incendiary. He has been our playmaker for the last decade and helped make Carolina relevant in the football community. Though times have changed and so have the Carolina Panthers. Our mercurial 5'9 receiver seems ready to hang up the black and blue. As fans, we are torn by this. As a Carolina fan, its hard to see arguably the best player in franchise history leave. I too was in shambles for a few days when I read reports of his soon speculated departure. But as I really looked over the roster and Carolina's new philosphy, is it necessarily a bad thing that Smith is leaving? I mean Smith is soon to be 32 and will decline soon. Carolina could trade him for drafts picks or a pretty decent player. There are both pros and cons to Steve staying or leaving.
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- Provides Veteran receiving target for rookie or Veteran Quarterback. Smitty has always been a reliable target and will continue to be for a little bit longer. He stills displays the quickness that made him so dangerous. The Panthers would not have to worry about acquiring a new #1 receiver for at least a year. Smith would be able to bring a sense of stability to a young and relatively inexperienced receivng core. Also Steve would definitely get his fair share of balls thrown his way. He would be our new QB's best friend.
Con:
- Steve takes reps away from younger players and keeps them from valuable on the field experience We all saw what the veteran purge did to our team. But it also gave a lot of players valuable experience and allowed players to blossom. Who would think Charles Johnson would post 11.5 sacks. Captain Munnerlyn be a possible competent #2 cornerback. Or David Gettis and Brandon LaFell be solid starters. If Smith leaves then players will have to step up.So the glass is half full. We could see one of our young receivers breakout( Kealoha Pilares anyone) or acquire a young stud like Sidney Rice. If Smith leaves, it isn't the end of the world. More Steve smith analysis after the jump...
Pro:
- Steve Smith automatically makes the run game and passing game better This guy has never been afraid to throw a block on someone. Steve Smith is Hines Ward 2.0. He will smack anyone in the mouth to open holes for Double Trouble... excuse me Triple Threat, now that Mike Goodson has shown to be a very able runningback. The defense also has to keep Steve doubled because he can still burn you! He will open up our passing game. Steve Smith is still a playmaker. He could be pivotal to the development a young Quarterback .
Con:
- Steve Smith will be sub par due to not having a legitimate receiving threat across from him How long has Steve Smith waited for a comparable receiver to take pressure off of him? Heck how long have we waited? Fans, the media, even Steve himself have asked the FO to acquire another receiving threat. While we do have young talent at the receiver position, no D-Coordinator is scared of David Gettis, Armanti Edwards, Brandon LaFell, or Kealoha Pilares. We thought we had one in Jarrett and look where that got us. Definitely one of the reasons are why Steve is disgruntled.
Pro:
- Steve provides swagger and competitiveness to a hurting franchise One of the reasons Steve Smith is so popular in Carolina is his attitude! No one wants to win more than him and he has shown on numerous occasions that he will do whatever it takes to get the job done. Smith took a relatively dull offense and injected excitement into it. Everyone who has ever seen a Carolina game can think of multiple times Smith has done something amazing all because he willed it.. Remember the Houston Texans game where Steve Smith pretty much shrugged off half the defense for touchdown!?Steve Smith is the Chuck Norris of football. Steve Smith doesn't catch the ball the ball has to catch Steve Smith!
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Con:
- Steve Smith's attitude hinders this young team from reaching their full potential Steve Smith while a great player can have a bad attitude, especially if he is losing. Smith'sl oud mouth can hinder team dynamics by his comments and actions. He punched Ken Lucas' lights out. Made comments about Jimmy Clausen that sure didn't help his development as pro. Called out Jarrett about not putting in enough work to learn the playbook.He is not a mentor in anyway to our young players. Does this sound like a good teammmate? Most people would hate to have someone like this on their team. Steve appears to be in a "me" mode and not "team" mode. I can' blame him for wanting to leave. I am sure he has his own personal goals and accolades he would like to reach before his career is finished. But once again this a glass half empty/full scenario. Do you sacrifice your most potent playmaker to keep the locker room together or keep him for his production value? Tough call.
Those are just a few my self relevatory pros and cons concerning the Steve Smith saga. What are your opinions on Steve staying or going? How does he help or hurt the team? Please comment below.
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I love Smith, and his jersey is hanging in my room (and always will!) But I don’t want him to hold us down either. He is still a very valuable commodity. He wants the ball, and he is the star on our team. But we have changed, we can’t have the star WR right now because we need to win collectively. I would love for him to stay if he just wanted to win, but he wants the ball along the way, and with inconsistency at the QB position we can’t promise that at this time. So we should ship him off. and get something while he is still valuable to the rest of the league. We could get a good player, or some good picks in the next draft. I think this is the direction we should go
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Steve Smith....
is the only remaining player of my fav teams who is actually still on their team. Others I have PanthersMorgan 55, Panthers Delhomme 17, Bobcats Wallace 3, 2 Bobcats Okafor 50, and Bobcats Morrison 35.
I don't care either way if he stays or not.
If we keep him he will be our best receiving option, but if we trade him maybe we could get good value!
I hope we trade him
Both sides would have a chance to have what they want and get what they need. Panthers get Draft picks/players for the future, and Smitty gets relevence and a chance at one more shot at the title. Why would we not happily oblige both.
BTW, the Beastie Boys made Triple Trouble a viable nickname for our RB crew.
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This league is about winning games...right now.
Keep him. He helps you do that.
The end.
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
this is my thinking...
also to develop a rookie quarterback he needs to have the best weapons available around him. As long as he’s on board, I say keep him.
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by John Chilton on May 11, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
For 1, you are never going to get his value for him from any team.
People act like if we trade him we will get multiple picks for him. That is not going to happen. I suspect thwe best offer they will get is a 3rd round pick, and that is the high end of the offers, it will morte likely be a 4th round pick. Right now we have a few young receivers that can use the lack of coverage to develope, and Smith will provide that for them. I do not think Smith poses any danger to team bonding in or out of the locker room. If anything he shows them that he is commited to winning, and that is not a bad example to set. Some say he will want the ball too much, but do you stop to think he only acts like that when they are losing, & the qb’s throw the ball to rookies that drop them? Maybe if/when another receiver steps up and deserves the ball Smith will not complain about it. After all, he publicly said he was willing to let someone else be the top receiver. I voted keep him anyway, just for the record. 1 last thought on this from me, I still have not heard anyone from the Panthers or Smith saying he asked to go anywhere. Rumors like this can divide a team and force his hand whether he wants to go or not. All it takes is reporters constantly asking about him, planting the seed, for it to grow. I compare it to the hbo original series Rome. When Caesars gf plotted to make Caesar think her son wanted to kill him, Caesar heard the rumors and wanted to send him to another area. That in turn made the son really want to kill him, & he ended up doing it.
To be clear, I'm not trying to be snarky. Just disagreeing.
I still have not heard anyone from the Panthers or Smith saying he asked to go anywhere.
Not in so many words. But IMO, his quotes amount to “No comment.” When there’s no story, I would expect him to say something along the lines of wanting to remain a Panther, about wanting to do everything he can to start turning the team around, etc. So far, he’s deflected, and in my opinion, used “family” as an excuse. If there’s something that we just don’t know about – such as an ill family member in California that he wants to be closer to, that’s a different and understandable story. Otherwise, how is two more years on a contract going to affect his immediate family that he’s raised in Carolina for years?
Also, whenever Hurney’s been asked the question, he’s responded that he doesn’t talk about such personnel stuff – but he’s had no problem saying that they want to keep their core intact and explicitly mentioned C. Johnson, TD, etc., yet deflected speaking about Marshall like he’s deflected about Smitty. Rivera has said that “they will come to a decision that’s best for both parties.” Sounds like a deflection. I know Gross and Thomas Davis said on WFNZ that they believe there’s only a small chance that Smitty will be a Panther next season. And if I’m not mistaken, Beason, and/or Anderson, and/or D-Will have made similar comments. Sorry, there have been so many players giving interviews that I can’t remember who has said what. But, the main point is that multiple players have said they do not expect Smitty to be a Panther next season.
Yes, the media can distort things. But when you have smoke coming from people within the organization, there’s probably a fire.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into playing, you strive for one thing, and that’s to be a Super Bowl champion. When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
I believe that he wants to see what they do in free agency before making any statements.
Uprooting your family (particularly when you have kids) is tough. And there’s no guarantee that a team he goes to is going to be a competitor. He could leave and then watch the Panthers win a SB a year or two later. Is that likely? Well, no. But it is not impossible.
I think seeing the approach they take when free agency starts will tell him a lot about the organization’s desire to compete. If they are aggressive…maybe he can win in Carolina (in the next 3-4 years).
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Maybe we should model what the Pats did with Moss...
Moss was petulant, he was aging and on the downside of the peak, but was still pretty productive and worth something. They traded him, and as is the Pats’ way, they came out on top. Learn from how the Pats conduct business (minus Spygate).
Learn from our own Peppers situation. The Panthers had a player – Peppers – who just plain didn’t want to be here. All the Panthers got in return was a half-assed performace and a 3rd round pick. That’s just not smart business. I’ll give that there’s a slight difference between Peppers and Smitty in that Smitty is a competitor down to the bone, and he would give 110% on every snap. But if he doesn’t want to be here, trade him to the highest bidder and get as much as you can in return instead of keeping a disgruntled player on the downside of his career for two more years. We may not be able to get any draft pick higher than a 3rd, but perhaps you can make a player trade where we can get someone to fill a position of need – preferably a CB.
I should start with a disclaimer that I don’t personally know Smitty. I’m not a fly on the wall inside BoA facilities or on the practice field. But the following is based on my perception. (And the post is partially inspired by last night’s CSR radio show.)
I don’t think Smitty has the patience to deal with the lumps that are virtually guaranteed to come with a whole new coaching staff (minus Meeks – who really has no dealings with the WRs), a whole new system, and likely a rookie QB starting. I think we’ll definitely see an improvement, but is it going to be enough to keep Smitty happy? To keep the most harmony amongst the team as a whole, I think you need to have as much patience as possible while keeping that competitive spirit and work ethic. I don’t think Smitty can entirely fit that bill unless he gets put on mood stabilizers and takes behavioral therapy. Long-term patience and all-around professionalism is not the way that he’s wired.
Yes…he’s probably the most competetive and talented player the Panthers have ever had. I’ll give it to him that it seemed like he was okay with Gettis and LaFell, but he also wanted the ball, and Clausen just could not get it to him to save his life. That has to be frustrating. It has to be frustrating to want to be moved into the slot – where he actually probably would have been more productive – but the incompetent former coaching staff never got him there. But at the same time, Smitty punches out teammates. He publicly calls out players to the media. He publicly states that his QB should be apologizing to the offense and that “He sure ain’t at Notre Dame anymore.” He pitches fits on the sideline to a rookie QB who appeared he actually was trying, but was struggling. He degraded Delhomme near the end of his time with the Panthers. I believe it was on one of the SoundFX episodes where Smitty said something along the lines of, “I like you as a person. But I really don’t like you as a quarterback.” It was not in a joking tone. (Forgive me for not getting the exact quote – NFL.com’s videos are not wanting to cooperate with me this morning.) I’m sorry, you just do not talk that way to the QB who gave you years and years of production. After Delhomme’s psychological mess that was the Arizona playoff game, do you really think a comment like that is going to help inspire confidence in the QB you’re relying on? At least in my book, all of that is very unproffesional. If you have a problem with a player, talk about it behind closed doors. As much as I agree with Beason’s sentiments about Peppers half-assing it, that was something that also should have been kept behind closed doors – but at least that was just one incident, and I hope it doesn’t happen again.
Peppers left, and C. Johnson more than rose to the occasion. DeShaun Foster left, and D-Will stepped up. More recently, Goodson stepped up when he was literally the last tailback standing in that one game, and kept delivering for the rest of the season. Munnerlyn admirably stepped it up as a starting CB when Gamble went out of the picture, despite the fact that Munnerlyn is better suited as a nickel. Connor stepped up when Beason had to be moved to the outside, etc. When you give players with real talent the chance to really get in and compete, most will rise to the occasion. If Smitty leaves, I’m confident that someone will step up. Especially given the fact that Rivera has filled out the entire coaching staff with people who actually want to teach. People who have experienced success as coordnators, positional coaches, and former players.
Let Newton (who I can’t imagine could be worse than Clausen) come in and grow up with the players he’s going to be working with for years to come – players such as Gettis, who looks to have a bright future and who by all accounts is about as far away from a diva you can get; LaFell, who looks like a young Moose; Pilares, who looks like a baby Smitty or Wes Welker and who immediately went back to the weight room after getting news he was drafted; Goodson, who is a reliable checkdown receiver and a promising RB; J-Stew, who can pound it out with the best RBs in the league. Cam will have offensive help – help that can win you games – with or without Smitty.
Smitty is undeniably talented, competitive, and fun to watch when he’s winning and things are going his way. Guess what, you’re not always going to get what you want (shout out to The Rolling Stones) – in life or in football. In football, just my opinion, one of the best ways to help your team is by inspiring them and being the ultimate professional. That doesn’t include punching out teammates, deriding your QBs on the sidelines who are doing everything they are capable of at the moment, or saying, “He sure ain’t at Notre Dame anymore.”
Smitty, you’re an incredibly talented player. You entertained Panther fans for years. It appears that outside of Panther facilities, you’re a good guy – such as going out to charity events such as Gross’s kickball tournament and Moose’s recent taco eating contest at Salsarita’s. I understand being frustrated being on a rebuilding team when you don’t have a ton of productive years left. But maybe…just maybe…you could have brought more than physical abilities to the football field. And maybe…just maybe…it would have improved the overall team dynamics and resulted in a few more wins.
Like with Delhomme and with Foxy – they gave us some good years. But it came time to part ways. Smitty was part of that regime. At least in my opinion, it seems like that time to part ways has come with Smitty.
At the end, I hope things work for the best for Smitty, but more importantly, for the Panthers – no matter how we go about getting there.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into playing, you strive for one thing, and that’s to be a Super Bowl champion. When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on May 11, 2011 12:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Like i said, rumors can cause the rumors to happen.
He has never demanded a trade and doesn’t want to go anywhere, but will if that is what his fate becomes. Go read it from his own words
Now we know he never asked to be traded, just to be put in a better situation,
Think about how it would affect Rivera’s thought process if reporters are constantly telling him that Smith wants out.
I think Rivera is smart enough to know that he can’t trust a reporter any further than he can throw them.
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
I believe that too,
but it isnt just “a reporter”. It is every reporter in the business saying it as if it is fact. If you hear it enough from people that are supposed to know about this kind of stuff, it becomes more and more believable.
What do you believe?
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
That he is smart enough to not listen to a reporter.
but like i said, it is more than a reporter, it is every reporter in the sports business saying it.
No, I mean regardging Smith's future.
Will he be back? Traded?
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
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I think he will stay. I think Rivera will put him in the better situation he has asked for. I think since he is not demanding a trade, he is not a harm to any morale of the locker room or team in general. I believe the team needs him to take pressure off the new receivers until they fully get the hang of the nfl. So i think he stays.
Makes sense, Mr. Bernz. We've got the up and comers in Gettis, Lafell, Edwards, and now Pilares
If Smitty believes as he said, that he can play at a high level for another 5 or 6 years, I think we can find a way to get him a ring. Worst case, we could still trade him next year. The only downside is his salary cap hit, but it isn’t as bad as a top FA would bring.
Has anybody seen Otah. What, did he just fall off the planet, or become a new one?
I think Smith could play for another 6 years.
Terrell Owens is 6 years older than Smith and he is still playing. Maybe not as productive but 6 years older ans still more valuable than any rookie.
I think he will still have the skills to play for 6 years
but I worry about his durability in the years to come. But IMO, even if we were getting 12 games a year, it would be completely worth it.
God help us all.
by BusyBeingAwesome on May 11, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
But I think since he has first hand information to all of this
he knows exactly what to believe and not to believe. Even if every major news source reports it, I think he’s smart enough to know the truth and also to understand that all of these major news sources were just parroting what one source said.
God help us all.
by BusyBeingAwesome on May 11, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
But I'd be willing to bet Rivera can throw one a very long distance.
Because he is a BAMF and all…
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Shout out, #89, for the understanding that you have that God wants you to be a good steward with the money (and talents) He’s blessed you with. This article definitely helps me see that Steve has a better attitude about all this stuff than the media gives him credit for. I hope we keep him but I respect whatever his decision is and for knowing there’s more to life than football. God Bless you, Smitty.
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by dowhatchado on May 11, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In the Fanshot Rick just posted...
I did write that I now kind of feel like a bitch for the full out scathings I’ve given Smitty. Reading the full PFW article does change my perspective somewhat. It’s interesting to read that he had self-doubts and knew that he could have played better and been a better teammate.
Echoing what I said in the other post – if there’s a true change in attitude…
“As I feel right now, I would like to play as long as there is an opportunity — and to play with the same passion but with just a little bit of a different perspective,” he said. “Less about what somebody can give me and more about what I can offer and what I can bring to the table and improve and help (a team).”
…a change where he wouldn’t be screaming at his QBs on the sidelines and where he wouldn’t be saying, “He sure ain’t at Auburn anymore,” then I’d be more receptive of him staying.
But, the article still didn’t really change my belief that he hopes to be somewhere else. Maybe I’m reading something between the lines that’s not there.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into playing, you strive for one thing, and that’s to be a Super Bowl champion. When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Regarding the "He sure ain't at Notre Dame anymore" comment:
If what we’ve heard about Jimmy’s attitude towards coaching (at least last year) is true, then I don’t think Smitty is at all in the wrong with that comment. In fact, if the stuff about Jimmy is true (that he stopped listening to his coaches) then I think Smitty was probably speaking for a bunch of people on the team, and possibly some coaches and F.O. people.
Before we can develop ‘unbiased’ opinions about this, we need to obtain all of the information. Actually, we would have needed to see everything as it unfolded.
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
I'm sure we don't know the whole story...
And knowing the whole story can change everything. You very well may be right that the comment was related to Jimmy reportedly not listening to the coaching staff. And the comments may have reflected the feelings of a lot of people in the organization. But that’s another thing that we don’t know for sure is true (the not listening to the coaches) It’s something Gantt said – he’s a fairly reliable source, but he may have had misinformation or misinterpreted something.
It’s like that game you play in elementary school where the first person in line whispers something to the next, and then the last person ends up with a statement almost never resembling the first. LOL.
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into playing, you strive for one thing, and that’s to be a Super Bowl champion. When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Telephone!
Loved that game. Although, I used to sabotage it and say something completely different. Usually something about ponies and lollipops and the like.
Nihilists! F@ck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
Ah...
So you were one of those kids. :P
"One play can win a game, but one play cannot lose a game." - Coach Peterson, Boise St.
"When you get into playing, you strive for one thing, and that’s to be a Super Bowl champion. When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Steve Smith
When I wrote this article it was my way expressing some of my thoughts and opinions regarding his at the time possible trade demands. I began to think of Smith as a selfish pompous jerk! But after reading this article, I realize he is just like any of us. He wants to be in a situation where he can succeed and be the best football player he can possibly be. Granted he still needs to do better with his dealings with some of his teammates, Clausen in particular, but I think overall he is a good teammate. The Panthers FO will have to decide if he is worth keeping. Marty has spoke about keeping the core together but does Smith fit into that core? I think he knows that there is a possiblity that he doesn’t. Which is why he cleaned out his suite, put his house up for sale, etc. He is preparing for his possible departure just the Panthers prepared for the lockout by purging veterans. I want whats best for the Panthers and if that includes Steve Smith or doesn’t i will support the team. What I do appreciate is he isn’t taking the Julius Peppers route. I respect him for that. No matter where he goes I will route for Steve Smith and hope he attains his goals. I
by Panther_Pride on May 11, 2011 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
steve smith makes us better period
As of today, he cleared the air. He has stated that he never asked for a trade from the panthers. We should want him on the team and we need him on the team. He is a threat to score any time he touchs the ball. If anything else, he is a guy who requires the defensive cordinator to plan around him. Now we have another guy who requires that as well in Cam Newton. The more of these guys you have on offense the better. I just hope we can get back to running the ball like we should. Hopefully the o-line stays healthy
Steve Smith
I agree with n dogg.I have a question.What did Smitty take away from LaFell?Is he not also a very good prospect in the making which could help open up everything on the offense.

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