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Panthers Draft History Review - The First Bust

Bud Light asked that we run a series of posts leading up to the draft on our past gems and busts. Sounded like a good idea since we are really scrapping to find something to write about. For arguments sake I'm only going to consider picks in rounds 1 through 3 for draft busts. For draft gems we'll look at the better picks from all levels of the the draft.

Let's get this started with the first Panthers bust. So let's harken back to 1995, the Panthers inaugural draft. They had four picks in the first two rounds and amazingly two of them are still in the league:

1 (5) QB Kerry Collins - Collins lasted three seasons in Carolina before his off the field activities, when combined with 49 INTs against 38 TDs, was too much to bear. He left with approximately a 65 QB rating. Collins remains in the league and has had some notable seasons in 2000 with the Giants and 2008 with the Titans.

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1 (22) CB Tyrone Poole - Poole has 498 total tackles and 45 interceptions over his 15 yr career. He had 170 tackles for the Panthers and 5 INTs, missing only 1 start in three seasons. Poole was a quality starter but his lack of size made him a risk in man coverage. 

1 (29) T Blake Brokermeyer Made 58 starts in four seasons for the Panthers before leaving to continue what would be a 9 year career. I couldn't find anything written about why he left the Panthers but I was thinking he was injury prone. Yet he made 48 starts in 4 seasons, missing only 6 games in four seasons. He must have left for more money than the Panthers were willing to pay. 

2 (36) Shawn King - 57 tackles and 8.5 sacks in 8 seasons says a lot. He was more know for his numerous suspensions for violating the drug test policy, missing the entire 1998 season for it.

So would you call any of these picks 'busts' Panther fans? If so, which would you call the first bust of the Panther organization. Take the poll:

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The first draft bust of the Panthers franchise was:
QB Kerry Collins
99 votes
CB Tyrone Poole
1 votes
T Blake Brockermeyer
8 votes
DE Shawn King
113 votes
None of these were busts
44 votes

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As far as the Panthers are concerned

Collins busted pretty badly, especially considering how much success he was able to enjoy later in his career.

by JorgithePirate on Apr 5, 2011 12:23 AM EDT reply actions  

Romanowski busted Collins

Collins showed much potential until Bill broke his jaw…that hit was nasty I was sitting about 10 rows off the field right behind the Panthers bench. Collins was in lala land when he came off the field, and was never the same as a Panther, took him years to get over his pocket firght.

by Lawboy987 on Apr 5, 2011 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tshimanga Biakabutuka aka Tim

8th Overall Pick, injured soo much, who would’ve know but he was a buuuussst… At least Kerry Collins led us to the NFC Championship in his 2nd season, pretty impressive if ya ask me, but heck, I was only 10 yrs. old back then, so what do i know..

by Matt Wats on Apr 5, 2011 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

He redefined game manager that season...

our defense (at the time, Capers’s 3-4 zone blitz scheme was new to the league) was simply NASTY that year, and we had a pretty good running game/great special teams. Of course, one year later and most of the league had figured out our defense lol

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, Biakabatuka was the first name that popped into my mind.

Biakabatuka, Bust

Collins, semi-bust

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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 5, 2011 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

So you are saying none of these guys drafted in 1995 were busts?

making Biaka, who was drafted in ’96, the first bust?

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by Jaxon on Apr 5, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I was just saying Biakabatuka was a bigger bust than Collins, that's all

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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 5, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry, Jaxon, I didn't see the 1995 stipulation...

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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 5, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

No prob!

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by Jaxon on Apr 5, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brockermeyer and Poole were good picks IMO (for their draft position anyways)

I’m surprised you left Timmy B off the list (even though he’s a pretty solid guy; his uncle owns a car shop near my house, and I met him there one day randomly awhile back while he was visiting it was so surreal)! Granted, when he was healthy he was a pretty solid back, but that damn foot could never stay in one piece…

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 7:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Does Sean Gilbert classify as a 'bust'? Dude cost us two first round picks

Furthermore, there is definite credence to the idea that he cost us Peyton Manning because the Panthers didn’t have the firepower (pick wise) to move up in 1998.

Three 1st rounders in 98, 99, 00 would have been enough to get the #1, and by extension Manning

by James Dator on Apr 5, 2011 7:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Or at the very least...

someone with more of an impact than Gilbert; We could’ve had Mcnabb in 1999 I believe if we had still owned that pick…

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to write Sean Gilbert

But you beat me too it. Biggest draft “Bust” we ever made, until trading away picks for Everette Brown. I can’t believe the Panthers never learned from that.

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by AParker on Apr 5, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Brown's still in the 3 year range though...

Gilbert was named to the all decade team before he came to us, and then promptly turned mediocre

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 7:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mediocre? That's way too nice.

He paved the way for guys like Haynesworth. His acquisition was the singlemost awful front office decision in Carolina Panthers history

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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 5, 2011 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's too early for me to fully express my hatred of that move...

I’m not sure people appreciate what a difference hiring Hurney in 2001 made lol

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

I can’t agree more

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 5, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

What about Jason Peter?

by scorpion12 on Apr 5, 2011 8:08 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

That was the first name in my mind…even before Biakabatuka. What a wasted pick. Both were equally bad in my book though.

by Lawboy987 on Apr 5, 2011 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

The post is about 'first' bust...not 'biggest' bust

but we will get to that eventually

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by Jaxon on Apr 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

If we're going rounds 1-3, then you HAVE to include:

WR Dwayne Jarrett, University of Southern California

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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 5, 2011 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

and Colbert

Maybe we should just say any USC receiver?

by Lawboy987 on Apr 5, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Colbert at least had a good rookie year.

Not that he was even very good, but I just think Jarrett should sit on that throne alone.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 5, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Rashard Anderson?

First round pick I believe, did he even play for us?

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by Flowing Willow on Apr 5, 2011 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Hands down

Anderson was the biggest bust we’ve ever had. It isn’t even close

by Cyberjag on Apr 5, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

He played like 12 games or so. He got busted for violation of the substance abuse policy and never returned to the league, IIRC.

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Eric Shelton, anyone?

I think this name can be added also….a swing and an miss.

by Lawboy987 on Apr 5, 2011 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

God I couldn't remember his name, so I didn't want to post and look like an idiot

What a waste. I’ve seen pop warner running backs who were better than he was at hitting the hole.

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by AParker on Apr 5, 2011 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think he does.

To me, any player who doesn’t live up to potential is a bust, whether it’s because of on-field or off-field reasons. The only time I feel that the bust label doesn’t necessarily apply is if the player suffered a major injury, like Ki-Jana Carter. I mean, it’s not necessarily his fault he blew his knee out in the first pre-season game of his career.

But Rae Rae did himself in, and to me he is the biggest bust in franchise history.

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

If not the biggest bust

at least the biggest embarrassment.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 5, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

wideout curse

Dwayne Jarrett/Kerry Colbert/Rae carruth hurt us for what 10+ years.

by Panthster on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Steve Smith, Captain Munnerlyn, David Gettis all come to mind for Gems

Greg Hardy is a possible one but im not sure hes done enough yet to be call a gem. however he is a potential starter as a sixth round pick so throw him in there. I cant really think of anyone else unless we go with 1st round picks

by pantherpride on Apr 5, 2011 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't think you can be a "gem" unless you're picked in the 3rd or lower...

I mean…if you’re a first round pick, you’re supposed to be good.

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya but steve smith was a 3rd round punt returner

who turned into one of the most feared wide recievers in the league. nobody expected that to happen. thats why i give him a gem

by pantherpride on Apr 5, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think you can be a “gem” unless you’re picked in the 3rd or lower

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok ok u win

can u think of any other gems though?

by pantherpride on Apr 5, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

???

My comment was in response to this:

I cant really think of anyone else unless we go with 1st round picks

I was just saying that a 1st round pick (and even a 2nd round pick, IMO) can’t be a gem because they’re drafted early because they’re supposed to be good.

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by BW Smith on Apr 5, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

ok i jusy woke up and now i see what your saying.

my bad. i agree with you but i cant think of any other gems because a good portion of our starters have been 1st round picks

by pantherpride on Apr 5, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mike Goodson could wind up being a real gem in the end

Also, Charles Johnson was picked in the third.

And how about Bruce Nelson for a bust?

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 5, 2011 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

charles johnson is a great one!

hes preformed very well over the last few years with a break out season last year. plus hes barrel chested so hes definite gem

by pantherpride on Apr 5, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Getting back to Jaxon's original post... which was solely 1995

I have to go with Shawn King for the biggest bust (even though I want to say Collins).

For a gem… I have to say Chad Cota in the 7th round of 1995. Any time you’re named to a team’s ‘All-Decade’ team and you were a 7th rounder you’re a gem. I loved the way Cota played

by James Dator on Apr 5, 2011 10:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Fun fact:

Here are the number of players who were Panthers at one point in time in their career from the 1995 draft:

- Kerry Collins (1st round)
- Mark Fields (1st round)
- Tyrone Poole (1st round)
- Blake Brockermeyer (1st round)
- Shawn King (2nd round)
-Christian Fauria (2nd round)
- Todd Sauerbrun (2nd round)
- Melvin Tuten (3rd round)
- Jason Kyle (4th round)
- Frank Garcia (4th round)
- Andrew Peterson (5th round)
- Jerry Colquitt (6th round)
- Chad Cota (7th round)
- Michael Reed (7th round)

14 Carolina Panthers from one draft

by James Dator on Apr 5, 2011 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Another gem on that list

Frank Garcia, was a wonderful center for us.

by Lawboy987 on Apr 5, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kyle still in the league too

That was the biggest surprise for me…was finding out that Ty Poole is still in the league…I think he was hurt for 2010 or he just left the league in 2010. But he was on the Titans 2009 roster.

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by Jaxon on Apr 5, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

I thought our Poole retired like 2005-2006 timeframe…is it definitely the same guy?

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cota was all decade???

Damn…I knew he was good, but didn’t realize he got accolades for it lol We seem to have established a fairly good tradition of having solid Safeties

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he was a complete bust.

averaging some 1.2 sacks a season and less than 10 tackles while racking up numerous suspensions puts him at the top of the list for the class of 95 bust. That and he was drafted very high in the second round.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 5, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I always reference who I wanted the Panthers to take in that years draft

I was a big fan of the following players…

Tony Boselli
Warren Sapp
Ty Law
Bobby Taylor
Korey Stringer
Derrick Brooks
James Stewart (RB Miami) Yikes! I really whiffed on this one.
Ray Zellars I had a thing for oversized RB’s that year

Too bad Panthers fans :(

by jdough on Apr 5, 2011 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn Jags...

taking Boselli with the 2nd pick; oh well, at least we traded down from #1 (Poor Cincy…taking Ki-Jana #1 only to see him barely play because of injuries)

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by Tomthehomer on Apr 5, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i barely know most of these guys :'(

I was 3 months away from birth lol

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