NFL draft open thread- Round 4 and beyond!
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:27 AM EDT
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PrintWe're in to the final stretch! The Carolina Panthers have done a good job in recent drafts finding late round talent- from Captian Munnerlyn in 2009, to David Gettis in 2010- there have been examples of good players found late.
Look for Carolina to try and address needs at CB, WR and OL today- but don't rule out the possibility of more help on the DL.
This is now an open thread!
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Time for Hurndog to really crank things up!
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
Let's GeT Jordan Cameron with this pick!!!
And then follow up with a cornerback with the next pick.. Cam needs weapons!! Jordan would be what Jimmy Graham was to the Saints last year.. Come on Hurrrrrn
Not with Stocker still on the board.
I believe we go CB anyway.
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4th
5th
6th
6th (compensatory)
7th (compensatory)
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Undrafted players are free agents
And we’re in a lockout, so there’s no signing them for now.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Does Marcus Cannon project as an NFL guard or tackle?
Because he looks like BPA. Would be ideal if he could backup an injury prone Otah
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I think he projects as a guard. Could be a tackle, but would need to work on his footwork.
I think he’s easily BPA, and passing on him because of the non-Hodgkins lymphoma would be a mistake
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
With our young QBs, o-line needs to be our top priority now
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Guard, with the chance to play RT.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Scouting reports say he can play both.
He played left and right tackle at TCU.
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
Hope we can get some good talent in the later rounds!
Hurney is awesome in the later rounds so I have no doubt we’ll be getting very talented players to fill needs and add much needed depth. I’ll be following the draft on Twitter though, as I’m about to head to Vegas and catch Carlos Santana at the Hard Rock Hotel. See you guys back here on Monday and I hope everyone has an awesome week-end!
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by Panther4Life!!! on Apr 30, 2011 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
Like I said in another thread....
Go with Cannon, Stocker, Chekwa, or Doss here, and I’m a very happy man.
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Who else is watching NFLN right now and thinking that Herzlich would be an AWESOME pickup in the 5th/6th?
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I think he would!
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by Cody Ledford on Apr 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I take Sturdivant or Matthews at LB over Herzlich.
He seems like a great kid and he’s got an amazing story though.
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I feel like he might fit in better with us...
I’d definitely take him over Sturdivant; Matthews would be a good one, but I think he goes in the 4th (possibly to GB lol)
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
They grade out at different positions.
I’d take Herzlich @ OLB but Sturdivant or Matthews @ ILB. The need is probably greater at OLB.
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I bet we go Marcus Cannon, Pernell McPhee or Brandon Burton
With what’s left, I can’t see them taking anything other than defense.
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Taiwan Jones is a dark horse now
Might not make immediate sense, but the Panthers have scouted him heavily.
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
True.
I’d be surprised if they take him at the top of the 4th though.
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He’ll be gone by the 5th… might be the only chance if they HAVE to have him
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably will…..I’m not convinced that they do.
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I'm with you on Marcus Cannon
I think he wont stay very long on the boards I bet Indy or Cincy picks him up.
by John Batista on Apr 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a couple decent LBs available
Since James Anderson is likely leaving, it might make sense to take one.
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Likely leaving?
Where do you get that from?
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a free agent
And I’ve heard he’ll likely command more money then it makes sense for the Panthers to pay at that position… Especially considering the depth there, that doesn’t exist at other key positions.
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Why do you say he will demand more money than makes sense for the Panthers to pay?
If he wants too much money it should be for any team not for our team. That goes along the lines of saying the Panthers are cheap and that is definitely not the case.
No it doesn't
It’s like the Spoony situation, he wants to be paid more than we think he’s worth.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But how does your opinion equate to "we"?
Either he wants too much money for any team, or he doesnt. You cant say it like more than “we” are willing to pay since “we” are not known to be cheap, only to people that read sport pages that don’t cover the Panthers would say that.
Not my opinion
Just echoing what ST said.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt mean yours in particular.
I just meant like, if the player is worth it, the Panthers will pay it. Saying he wants more than the Panthers want to pay is an opinion and makes the Panthers seem cheap when they arent. & no1 knows what the Panthers are willing to pay anyone. If a player is trying to ask for too much, just say he wants too much not that the Panthers arent willing to pay that much. Thats my opinion anyway.
Yes, and Quan Sturdivant.
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Chris Carter
He needs some work as a LB, but his pass-rushing skills would pair up with Norwood nicely for our 3-4 sets.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm running late this morning from my kids baseball game
I’ll get the radio show started shortly…Let’s plan a 12:20pm start time
Works for me...
We can do an ‘after the fact’ look at the pick
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Christian Ballard is still on the board.
I know we just double-dipped at DT, but he’s sitting right there….
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From Person:
Joe Person
I’ll stick with my picks from last night here: UNC’s Kendric Burney if they go CB; Ga.’s Clint Boling if they go OL
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I think it’s too early for Burney here…. but we’ll see
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd like him in the 5th
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Yea, he's a baller but a little small and slow.
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I'd much rather have Chekwa, House, or Burton here
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Mayock laying on some praise for Burney
would certainly be nice to see some Heels on the team :p
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Boling
Would bring some decent depth to a line in need of some young blood.
by Disciple of Carolina on Apr 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cam and Jeremy Shockey will be BFFs… I don’t see TE here though. Bigger fish to fry
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I've said it a few times
But Cam running a rollout with Stewart and Shockey as check downs make me excited. 3rd and 2-5 gets a bit tricky for a defense to defend!
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I think OL will be more likely to make an immediate impact
Especially with what’s left in these later rounds
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff for us!!
Sources say Matt Hasselbeck will not return to Seattle an the Bengals are moving forward without Palmer….
Two guys I would like here as caretakers
I agree!
I’m surprised he won’t return!
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by Cody Ledford on Apr 30, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But the Bengals
are saying it like they will let him retire if thats his choice. They can’t trade him so he will have to retire if he doesn’t want to play for them won’t he?
So long as business is open as usual, yeah… they can
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Indeed
That concerns me some too. If he’s that unhappy in Cincy how happy will he be to come in with the knowledge that he won’t be “the guy” for long.
A totally different situation than Cincy of course, but I am just not a fan of players that don’t finish out their contract.
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Either/or
But I’ll take Hasselbeck.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Hasslebeck...but that hip stuff is concerning
especially at his age; I think I’d rather have Palmer at this point
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And here we go.
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Who?
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Brandon Hogan.......
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@carolinagrowl Steve Reed
Panthers fan Ginger Jarrett will announce the pick.
First read this as who we were drafting. Almost got pissed off that I didn’t know who it was.
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Ginger Jarrett?? Really??
If Ginger was really a fan, we’d know Ginger, she’d be on CSR! Obviously not hardcore fans like us!
HOGAN!
I See Nothsing!
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
Here's one take on the pick...
@ShawnZobel_DHQ Shawn Zobel
Brandon Hogan is a natural talent with great instincts. Another high-risk, high-reward pick for Carolina.
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He's got his share of off-the-field issues.
Kinda odd to see him become a Panther.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Had a DUI
And a disorderly conduct/public urination charge.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
lmao
well…the DUI is concerning; but public urination is a funny one (who hasn’t?)
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, I do it with regularity.
Knock on wood
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe we decided...
…that “character” lost us 14 games last year. :-D
Well, you know what Foxy always said.........
You win with character, not characters .
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Don’t know who Hogan is. Not gonna second guess the pick but I would have liked to see Cannon or Boling.
I'm hoping we can pick him.
Chemo or not, having his versatility would be an incredible value steal. And didn’t Will Witherspoon play during chemo and such as well?
I agree...
…there are several CB’s left on the board who are rated better. The only rationale I can see is that he’s got a physical, nasty side, defends the run pretty well, and better than average ball skills…which I see Rivera/McDermott coveting. But he’s not the fastest cover guy or has the best technique.
I think that's our first miss...
better players out there to fill needs
Hogan is yet another example of a high school star on offense making the switch to the other side of the ball with aplomb. He was an All-Washington, D.C. Metro player as a quarterback for undefeated Manassas (passed for 2,536 yards, 32 TDs; rushed for 1,735 yards, 26 TDs) as a senior. Because of his lack of size, however, most colleges projected him as a defensive back – a move a bit slow in coming but very successful when it did.
Hogan actually began his career as a slot receiver, making 12 catches for 67 yards in 10 games (one start) as a freshman. But during preseason practices the following fall, his coaches noted how well he could backpedal and hit, so they convinced him to give the new spot a try.
It didn’t take Hogan long to make an impact on defense, as he started nine times in 12 games played in 2008, making 60 tackles, intercepting three passes and breaking up seven others. His game took another step forward in 2009, earning first-team All-Big East honors with 74 tackles, an interception and 11 pass breakups. Despite missing two games of his senior year due to suspension, Hogan was named second-team all-conference with 37 tackles, three interceptions and six pass breakups.
Hogan also showed elusiveness with the ball in his hands by returning seven punts for 85 yards as a junior and 12 for 93 yards last fall. Adding that special teams acumen (he could be a contributor on special teams coverage units) to his knowledge of routes from his experience on offense, speed and physicality makes Hogan a very promising prospect who is capable of starting at the next level. Two arrests within the past year, however, may raise some red flags among teams, dropping his stock.
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I'm hoping those issues are more in line with being stuck out in Morgantown than his personality lol
I think Mayock said it best: “If they’ve got faith that the locker room will keep him in line, he can be much better than a 4th round talent…”
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
On Hogan:
Strengths: Prototypical heady zone corner who attacks plays in front of him, allowing few yards after the catch. Quickly gets off his initial coverage to pick up short outs, but is still capable of going back to help his safety on deep outs. Does not give back down from any challenge on the outside. Quick, smooth backpedal, keeps some cushion between him and receiver until the route unveils itself. Watches for double moves and has the speed to stay with them. Aggressive in run support, reads and beats receiver blocks and flows downhill to the ball. Delivers a big enough hit to dislodge the ball from receivers if they have not yet secured the catch. Will undercut throws to intercept them if the quarterback does not look him off or is not on the money in tight quarters. Looks to make things happen after the interception, elusive runner in space. Very strong tackler for his size, will bring down big receivers by wrapping and churning his legs, not just chopping them down (though he’s very effective as a cut tackler). Instinctual player willing to work on his game on the field and in the film room. Good punt return skills: owns solid hands, makes first defender miss with a quick move and can get the corner. Played through biceps injury most of 2010.
Weaknesses: Loses discipline at times, biting hard and taking direct angles to the ball without regard to his assignment on the play. His lack of height will hurt him downfield at the next level. Gets beat for big plays when trying to bait the quarterback downfield or sitting on short routes. Lacks great strength and height to outmuscle NFL receivers for the ball in the air. Great speed to recover if beaten, but over-aggressiveness and lack of size sometimes make it difficult to get back to his man in time to prevent a big play. Dances and runs backward too often on punt returns.
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From Walter football
Height: 5-10. Weight: 192.
Projected 40 Time: 4.38.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: DNP.
Benchx225: 19. Vertical: . Arm: 30 3/8.
Projected Round (2011): 3-5.
3/28/11: Brandon Hogan didn’t work out at his Pro Day after failing to do anything except lift at the Combine. He’s still recovering from a torn ACL, so he’s a late-round prospect despite having mid-round talent
I don't think so.
Was a 4.43 guy before the injury.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have rather taken House.
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I would have rather had Chekwa
But with Meeks and McDermott on the team, I think they can make Hogan into a good CB.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, I'll trust the coaching staff on this one.
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WTF!!!
Who is that? Omg there was so much talent sitting there. Maybe Im just freaking out because I dont know him does he have starting talent?
The info on him is in the posts above you.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's the Dwayne Jarrett of corners
Hopefully we do a better job this time around
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
That's a little extreme.
and it’s “Him” or “He who shall not be named”.
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Haha!!
He really is though even comes gift wrapped with a DUI! That said if he gets his shit straight he’ll be a steal
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
But personally, I think there were more talented players available.
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If he's the Dwayne Jarrett of corners...
One could assume instead of dropping passes and/or deflecting them he will catch them. We can only hope.
by Disciple of Carolina on Apr 30, 2011 12:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If he’s the Dwayne Jarrett of corners……….
should be
If he’s the “Him” of corners……
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Him?
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by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't say "Him's" name.
It’s more like…….
Or
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hahaha
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by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to be creepy coming from a 25 yr old man...
….but man, I used to love the Powerpuff Girls…Mojo Jojo FTW
Ha no worries.
I liked it to. Him was such a creepy character for a kids show. Crossdresser/tranny badguy.
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by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta think this is Davon House
That’s what all signs point to. Panthers have been scripted so far and have picked players that we know they have had a lot of interest in. They’ve had a lot of interest in House, and CB is though of as a great need by Rivera. Gotta be House here, I’d bet on it!
A bit late, huh jkp?
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Brandon Hogan, CB, WVU
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all over the thread, dude.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Look up...
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Lol....late much?
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I'm with you this kid can play
We just need some positive influences on our rooks this year to keep them focused
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Were seeing a common thread in this draft
A solid mixture of high risk, high reward (Newton and Hogan) and high character (McClain, Fua).
Rivera will bank on his personality and the veterans to keep these guys in check. I like it
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As do I.
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Ha!
@josephperson Joe Person
Hogan’s DUI was in Oct. came after he was stopped for driving the wrong way down a one-way street.
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....
I’m a little less enthused about the pick now lol
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The real question is
Were you drunk when you did it?
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I got dressed down by a parking deck security guard.....
at the DPAC for public urination last fall. He just gave me shit because I flipped off the security camera while I was zipping up post piss.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
I urinated at the DPAC parking deck too! Niccce. I’d offer a high five, but that’s probably in poor taste.
by boywonderncsu on Apr 30, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, it happens....
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That's not true.
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But you are entitled.....
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There were better players available. I'm not going to be a fan of every pick...
I don’t like this pick. Would’ve gone another direction if it was me.
Doesn't mean he's a scrub
He can obviously play. I think I’d trust our FO to know who they’re drafting.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly, that's all I was saying.
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I'll take the insight of Meeks and RR
but thanks for the pessimism
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think there's a difference in having your own opinion
And completely ignoring the fact that we’ve got one of the best secondary coaches in the NFL and don’t really miss on DBs.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
How did I ignore that fact?
I simply stated my own opinion, I don’t like the guy. Get off my back. I like my team, but I don’t have to agree with every move or decision.
By announcing him a scrub
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
OMG get over it.
I don’t like him. You do. You choose to blindly follow the team, I don’t, I like being independent. Get over it dude
It's not blind following
Its a realization that we know what the hell we’re doing when it comes to DBs. But that’s the last I’m saying over it.
We can, and have, had good talks in the past. Let’s end this not-so-good one.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
With Cam
And then those who wanted Casey over Mcclain, and then the bitching about Fua it would be tough for someone to see this is a pro Panthers blog. I’m sick of all the complaining let’s get behind our team
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, I'm behind our team...
BUT I"M NOT A BLIND FOLLOWER. I am fine with these picks, but as a person who loves the draft, I wouldn’t have made some of these choices, I would’ve done something else. I will like these guys when they hit the field, heck I don’t have a choice! But doesn’t mean I have to think that it was the greatest decision in the world when we made a draft pick.
True statement
But it was the scrub thing that got me. Just reminded me of when we picked Cam and people wanted to slam us. I too am a lover of the draft so no harm no foul if that wasn’t your intention
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright guys, lets get past this and worry about our next pick huh?
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't like him...
Maybe saying “scrub” was too harsh, I’ll admit that. I just would’ve picked someone else.
It would probably grease the wheels of sensible, moderate communication for both sides not to call each other ‘blind followers’ or ‘haters’
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, all I meant was that I'm not a blind follower...
Sorry for calling out others as such, that was wrong of me.
This is coming from the guy
who bet on House after we had drafted him. Not a shocker
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Hogan is obviously very talented
But whatever.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
There goes Boling...
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Cannon has to sit out next year
I’m thinking he drops to 5th or 6th
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
Now I see why Rivera likes him...
a corner, who can tackle? Mine eyes have be betwixt by visions of Xanadu!
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked the last clip of him beating Jonathan Baldwin in the endzone
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
The pick of Hogan himself (I did think there was a good chance we'd go CB) was totally off of my radar...
But the dude looks like he has a little bit of a mean streak on the field. We could use some of that…and like has been said, he’s a DB who can tackle! =0
Still, I’m kind of cautious on this one.
Thanks, James
He looks like a physical corner who’s tough and makes an impact. Rivera and Meeks kind of player
Well, the little fucker likes to hit, that's for sure.
And he’s got dreads! What more could you want from a guy.
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Gotta have dread swag.
It’s the most important thing. Unless you’re Sione Fua, in which case you have some SERIOUS Samoan swag.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Fua samoan? Isn't that where Polomalu is from?
I seen an article on tv about how that island produces great football players. That makes me feel even better about that pick if so!
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he's from California
And while I can’t be sure, he’s got the name and the appearance.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think James said he was from/born in New Zealand.
But grew up in Cali.
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I thought that was Paea
Pretty sure it was.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
It was Paea
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right.
got my fucked up names confused.
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That was Paea
Fua is from Samoa, moved to Cali
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this!
I think it was on 60 Minutes or something like that, they were saying that island lives and breathes football.
Any idea how old he was when he moved to Cali?
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Does he have a haka?
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Only when he's got a cold.
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Hogan's Heros
Will be his group in the stands if he pans out. I love it
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
kid has some closing speed, some pop and pretty good wrap-up technique for the tackle.
by boywonderncsu on Apr 30, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
When was the last time we completely missed on a DB in the draft?
To me, that alone makes the discussion over
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Some character issues, yes.
But in reading about him, he’s fast, plays with attitude, and is an excellent tackler that loves contact. Gets burned now and then trying to bait a QB, but doesn’t give up YAC.
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Absolutely
I think both he and Munnerlyn will have the opportunity…. though I can’t help but feel like the Panthers will throw some money down in FA
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Marshall will walk
Unless this CBA nonsense lasts til mid-season. And yes, I think he will be.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Cameron goes off the board before Stocker.
Bit of a shocker to me.
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Good
keep my boy Stocker on the board; I was depressed when we passed on Witten back in the day, but there’s still hope for Witten 2.0!
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm a Stocker fan too
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck!
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus let's not put too much stock in the DUI
I mean he went to WVU what the hell else is there to do there but get wasted? And they do it like pros too
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:20 PM EDT reply actions
I agree. If that's why he slid then he's definitely worth the risk in 4th round
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
There's also his ACL tear
But I think that has less to do with it than the character concerns.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Hardy slid because of health issues
I love taking guys like this in later rounds
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
although he’d have to be pure BPA at that point, since we already snatched up two DL prospects
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been in private workouts with the Pats for months
I think Bellicheck has lifted his leg and marked his territory with this kid. I think without someone reaching he’s a pat
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayock says Hogan has immediate return and starter ability
He’s better than a 4th round pick, but slid due to off field concerns. If that’s accurate then I love this pick. Later rounds are the time to take a chance on high risk high reward players.
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From the highlights vid he looks like a feisty corner with some ball skills.
Can’t have enough of those guys.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Brings the lumber across the middle.
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There goes Stocker
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It won't matter, half their team will be in jail next season or suspended for failed drug tests.
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Yea, there too.
Getting their knees replaced and their spleen’s removed. We fuck up some Buccaneers on Sundays!!!!
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Still some good TE prospects out there.
I’m now shifting to DJ Williams.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
You nailed it Jake that’s who I want now
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Thomas will be the guy, or nobody.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
I don't think TE is a necessity for us this draft
I think at this point, we shift to OLine depth.
Damn Bucs....
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Stocker will end up ahead of Winslow on the depth chart...calling it now lol
I’ve never been a big fan of Winslow since he hit the NFL (although he was a beast at the U)
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Winslow is his own worst enemy.
The staph infection and the tearing his knee up riding a motorcycle have really derailed his career.
If he had the explosion he had in college he’d be one of the best TEs in the league. As it is he’s just good.
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It seems Rivera's crew is much more willing to take risks than Fox was
Fox seemed to like safer, high character guys. Rivera seems to be quicker to pull the trigger on guys with rumored concerns, but high ceilings. Says something about the confidence Rivera has in managing people.
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I like the change in philosophy!
It will be exciting to see what goes down in free agency if this continues!
I think we will surprise next year!
by MindMachine on Apr 30, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fox would never have taken Cam
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Last year.......
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Not this last year
But he certainly did almost his entire tenure.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok so we all know Fox would have never drafted a rookie at any position
because all he wanted to do was let Delhomme play every position. We get it he doesnt like rookies.
by MrBernz on Apr 30, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer DJ Williams.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
My TE wish list now is
DJ williams
then Virgil Green
then the bball product out of Portland State
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you think of Wesley Saunders?
by rscott94 on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I know you didn't ask me, but....
He’s a super talented idiot.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea i want to get him with a 6th
by rscott94 on Apr 30, 2011 1:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not huge on him
but I’d take him with the 6th comp
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
From James earlier....
5th
6th
6th (compensatory)
7th (compensatory)
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
At least were at the top of each round
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Except the 7th
Green Bay got that one for JJ
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
One in each round
and two in the sixth
by Imisshooooooooov on Apr 30, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Minnesota grabs Ballard
Good value there.
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I'd prefer him to McClain as the UT.
Seeing as how he was 2nd rounder before pissing hot.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
After seeing that Hogan highlight video.
I’ve got the Over/Under in League fines at 3 1/2. Any takers?
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
I'll take the over.
I hope gets the 3 1/2 against the Falcons.
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He looks like he might snatch up a few fines.
But I just keep thinking about the Lions. Seriously – Suh AND Fairley? Putting the two of them together is just begging for weekly fines.
Yeah...
…but the accompanying intimidation factor will almost certainly have an effect on the opposing OLine and QB. If Fairley lives up to the hype, that’s going to be the nastiest, fastest interior DLine this league possibly has ever seen. And they’re gonna be there for a looooooong time.
Gotta love Gantt
@daringantt Darin Gantt
Hogan’s had some run-ins with the law. But welcome to Father Hurney and Sgt. Rivera’s Home for Wayward Boys Who Can Play.
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Even after being removed from the beat
He’s still the best Panthers reporter out there.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody know what picks we have overall left?
I know 5th
6th
6th Comp
7th comp.
but whats the overall
Not good...
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Yikes. Hogan says he won’t be able to run full-speed until August after tearing his ACL in December.
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I'm sure that if true, it's not something the coaching staff was unaware of.
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No doubt
Just still a bit unnerving.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, it is.
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Am I wrong...
or did this guy run a 4.43 at the combine after his ACL tear? This is coming from ESPN’s info on him. If so, the only scary thing is that he could be faster than that.
by Justin Lail on Apr 30, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No way he ran at the Combine.
After tearing his ACL in December.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No, he didn't run @ the combine.
I believe they said he lifted only.
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I think it said it was his "projected" time...
Meaning he was expected to run a time in that area at the combine had he been able to participate.
Not great news...
But, eh – with the stupid CBA stuff dragging on, the guy may hardly miss any actual team training time.
Good thing we're not investing heavily in him right now lol
no sense in rushing him back, we’ve got options
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by Tomthehomer on Apr 30, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why did Lexus pick shit brown for the car color in that commercial.
It’s just plain ugly.
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I like Brandon Hogan
if it were not for character issues he would have probably gone in the 2nd round. Well worth the shot in the 4th round
Thanks Johnny on the spot ;)
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by southtunnel on Apr 30, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
thankfully this is not the only thing in my life.
Damn! There goes Gates!
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I really like Gates...
I think he’s a good value for a 4th rounder.
Wish we could have gathered a ton of picks in a highway robbery scenario like Cleveland did so we could have had more picks to snatch up value players like Gates.
+1 Jamie
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Still on the board.
Still has cancer, unfortunately.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
With that talent...
And such a high chance of recovery, I’d so pull the trigger on Cannon. I personally think that’s who I would have gone with with the Panthers 4th rounder. Or I may have gone with Gates.
I figured we’d probably go CB because of need – but I liked those two as far as talent as players.
I still want us to draft Cannon
He’s a late first/early second talent regardless.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he will be
“Cancer” is going to scare a lot of teams off, and rightfully so.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Oakland takes Chekwa
So maybe I shouldn’t have been as high on him as I was….
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Oakland takes excellent players...........
They just take them out of position and contrary to the needs of the team at times. Also, there’s the revolving door at head coach thing they’ve had going on.
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I was kinda kidding
But Oakland does love their workout warriors.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt about it.
they could probably have their own 4 × 1 relay team in the Olympics.
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Well...Heyward bey was drafted WAYYYY above where he should've gone lol
and the Russell pick will stick with them for many more years to come
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On Heyward Bey....
didn’t I say out of position? He is a good player.
You never know about Russell. Think he’d have busted with the Patriots or Indianapolis? I don’t. He was a player that needed to go to a strong team with good mentors. No one knew……it happens.
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On a side note.......
Carolina Panthers
Now Available: Cam Newton Jerseys and T-Shirts!
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What #'s on the jersey?
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The graphic says
“Number to be determined”
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
"Number to be Determined"
They won’t ship it until the number is picked.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's one of the Newton shirts though
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And this
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
And for the ladies...
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm wearing this to training camp this year.
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Well Cam
is going to make 1 trillion dollars off of his merchandise sales.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand that...
Just saying… is this the beginning of the ‘pressure to get the player on the field’ thing?
I’ve been thinking about the whole Jimmy/Cam competition thing and think that Cam should easily beat him out though. Being as how it’s a whole new playbook and coaching staff it really doesn’t give Jimmy too much of a head start.
I heard RR say
he will only put Cam on the field once he feels he is ready.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
He did say that...
He also said both QB’s will have the opportunity to compete for the job. I’m just saying at this point with our QB roster and the teams situation I think Cam could very possibly win the job right away if he is as hard of a worker as he claims to be.
Hopefully they get things worked out business wise so we can see this stuff go down.
Oh definitely.
Im not some of the guys who just want Cam to start. I don’t care at all, as long as the starting QB gives us the best chance. If that’s Clausen, great. Newton, cool. Pike, Next year’ll be long.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree as well
It just seems given the situation it could be a perfect situation to mold the offense around Cam, given at this point every QB on our roster is basically at the same place and Cam was drafted to be our future.
If we bring in a vet then that is a good idea as well, but at this point it could be just as likely that we let our current guys battle it out.
Right.
I think the Air Coryell offense fits him pretty well though so I’m happy with it. Clausen seems to be a little out of place in this offense though…
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Cam has never had to read a defense
and has never played in the nfl speed. That is where Clausen should have the advantage. Clausen has a full year of nfl style practice and real play time under his belt. If he doesn’t beat Cam for the starter position i think he can be considered a bust.
You mean he's not already considered one?
Kidding. I think Newton will be able to diagnose more than he’s being given credit for. Jimmy would have to perform like Peyton Manning to beat out Cam. I don’t see it happening. We’d be more successful running the single wing with Newton than anything with Pickles.
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Because Clausen was pretty amazing at reading NFL defenses and playing at NFL speed.
lol. I have no intention of getting into this argument. Just saying.
I didn't say Clausen was great at it.
I said he had real nfl experience with real nfl speed. If you don’t think that should be accounted for then i don’t know what to say. I am not a Clausen fan, I am just saying he should be far ahead of Newton right now, & if he isn’t then he is a bust in my eyes.
It's all good man
Your point is entirely valid. I was joking with the above comment.
I just think Cam will beat Jimmy. I would love for Jimmy to redeem himself and be in a Brees/Rivers situation. I am just not holding my breath on it.
I think that trying to evaluate the two against each other is impossible.
Like comparing lemons and birthday cake. They are too different. Each will have strengths and weaknesses but Cam is SO much bigger , stronger, and SO much more athletic that Jimmy will always pale in the overall comparison.
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Thats my thoughts too...
Jimmy is going to need to be much more impressive than Cam to win the job. If they are even head to head, Cam gets the job.
I think if theyre head to head
Clausen should start. Let Newton sit until he clearly beats Clausen. I mean, if he isn’t better than Clausen why risk him early?
I agree.
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Because he is "the face of the franchise" at this point
He was drafted to be the face of our team, the t-shirts prove that point. Just my opinion of course.
Heck I flip flop on that
I am all for letting a player learn on the job, as long as he has the basics down already.
I totally agree
He wasn’t great at all. The logic of experience actually points out that Clausen doesn’t have the tools to be productive, we all saw that last year.
His lack of athletic ability didn’t allow him to overcome the game at the next level.
Jimmy had every advantage coming out of college that Cam is being bashed for and yet it still resulted in a poor performance.
I do believe that given one more year he will be able to figure things out. Unlike others I think that Cam will bring the best out of Jimmy. Keep them both!
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I don't think so
But The Jimmy also wasn’t the first overall pick, or ever a first rounder.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
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A change in philosophy
I have been torn for the last several weeks as I read many of the post here on CSR. As I flip and flop with many valid points that my fellow panthers fans make, one common thread comes to bare. We are going to be a New kind of Panthers team that attacks from when the first blow of the whistle to the end of the last when only the echo can be heard.
I ‘m on board with the consensus that we are taking more chances this year with high risk players. IMHO, we have in place this year that’s different than in the years past is a coaching staff designed to teach a TEAM of young players how to play at the next level.
My calendar is marked for 9 OCT when we host New Orleans. (as long as we start the season on time!)
It’s going to be a wakeup call for our division!
Well, to be fair...
“Bend but don’t break” was more of a Meek’s philosophy; Del Rio and Fox had us becoming one of the most aggressive defense’s in the league, and unfortunately Trgovac wasn’t able to really carry the Del Rio strategy over (he was OK as a coordinator, just wasn’t creative enough). I still hate the fact that Del Rio was snatched up after only one season…
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I dont think we need
another DE. We are young and stacked IMO. We barely get Hardy on the field as is. I am hoping for another DB or maybe some OL help.
He's a OLB
Not a DE.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
He plays OLB in a 3-4
And is an excellent pass rusher. Would most likely translate to a DE in a 4-3 imo.
I think he'd be better as a SLB
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Hell, after reading about him, I want him.
Smart, hard working, scheme versatile…Sounds like a Ron Rivera player.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Eric Norwood
anybody? Sounds like a very similar player so why do we need another one? Our LB’s are pretty set IMO. We need depth in the secondary and OL.
Herzlich isn't as good of a pass rusher
But is a better pure LB than Norwood is. With Davis coming off tearing his ACL again and Anderson being a free agent, Herzlich would be good insurance.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Not really a need
But I’d love to have him.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Henery picked by eagles. Early??
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
it feels like an eternity b/w our picks
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I can understand the cancer being a scare for some teams.
So I can understand why he’s slipping. But we’ve had Witherspoon fighting through cancer back in the day. I don’t see how we can pass on his versatility on the o-line.
Nope
Anyone find it interesting that two of the more intriguing prospects left, are sliding because of cancer? I know they’re both different situations, but still…there’s a LOT of talent between those two lol
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Oddly enough I want both Herzlich and Cannon
I think they’d both end up being steals.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck al davis
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
You first.
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I like Pinkston, OG, Pittsburgh
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possibly
Have to imagine Cam is whispering in someones ear for him lol
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Yeah, I do like. And he's a Cam Man.
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I'm STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!
We’ll have all of our draft picks in 2012!!!!!! At least the high rounds and assuming there is a draft that is.
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This draft was collectively bargained into the last CBA.
It is the last football event that is guaranteed.
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I truly hope that and the salary cap are just persuasion points.
If those two things actually happen I have to agree with Goodell that it would kill the sport.
He does not "look" smart at all.
Then again, he goes to Stanford so yea…but his face annoys me.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn it
I really wanted Marecic. Brock and Double Trouble would have been EPIC!
Oh, and FU Luck.
Goddamn quebecios! It is 35 miles per hour, not 35 kilometers per... whatever is metric for hour.
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Conspiracy time: Cleveland is killing two birds with one stone...
1) Building their running game to be nothing but bruisers running up and over people, thus helping McCoy out (he looked terrible when Hillis started getting stuffed later in the season)
2) What screams “Blue collar” more than anything else in football right now? If you answered “Two giant white guys filling both RB positions in the backfield”, you’re on the right track; Cleveland is a city that needs “local heroes” to rally behind (especially since Lebron left), and what better way than to appeal to the “blue collar” base that makes up most of their fanbase?
just a little “Alex jones” for your morning commentary :p
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
If he fully recovers from all the cancer stuff.
He will be a great pick.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Was considered to be a late first/early 2nd pick before being diagnosed.
Since we’re down to our 5th round pick, I’d say he’s worth it.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The value is too great, when weighed against his favorable chances of recovery
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I feel the same about Herzlich
He strikes me as a guy that could become a leader on this team.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no; it's all benign
I think the prospect of chemo is scaring more people off than anything
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Well, it's cancer.
But it’s non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, which has around a 90% survival rate.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
But 3+ months of chemo. It'll be tough on the kid, and test his character.
I wish him a full and speedy recovery!
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My problem is that he's soooo damn big.
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Did the pick just get raded to Denver?
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Not ours
Green Bay’s
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
6th-UDFA
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
DJ Williams is still on the board.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOO!
Julius Thomas goes to denver
God help us all.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Apr 30, 2011 1:36 PM EDT reply actions
Bizarre
Does Fox see him as a blocking TE?
I think Denver already has a pretty good blocking option at TE
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Denver must have thought we would pick Thomas, to trade up.
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He's our guy then. :)
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Character/motor concerns...
although if he lasts past the 6th I’ll be amazed
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Wait nevermind.
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like we filled one of our return positions with Hogan as well
He looks like he’s going to be an exciting player. Fun to watch… Reminds me a bit of Goodson’s highlights when we first drafted him. Hopefully he’ll have more immediate impact than Goodson had though.
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hopefully he knows how to hold onto the ball lol
Although being a former WR might help with that….might
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I wouldn't mind DJ Williams here.
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Here comes the 5th Round
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Whos' left?
Anybody got a favorite?
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT reply actions
Same here.
I’d take DJ Williams now, too.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
My only thought on TE at this point...
is that I’m starting to think Rivera and co. feel comfortable with Shockey, Barnidge, Rosario, and King and are keeping it as a low draft priority at this point; Just a hunch more than anything
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Wow, the Panthers
actually taking some time.
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What about the O-lineman from Auburn?
Can’t remember his name. Big dude that could move to guard.
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Ziemba, and I would like it.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
I wonder
if we are looking to trade down. Maybe Denver did take our pick.
I would think so
Denver just screwed a lot of guys in the draft picks contest
yea
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm.
In no particular ordrer…..
Jacquizz Rodgers
Williams, D.J.
Quan Sturdivant
Brandon Burton
Ahmad Black
Daniel Ziemba
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Any knowledge?
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea. I guess he comes from a pass happy system though in Hawaii.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Well, yes and no.
He’ll be very experienced running underneath routes and with the ball in hand. I guess they view him as a slot receiver.
There’s been quite a few smaller receivers come out of spread offences and done well in recent years. Welker, the Askdhfas guy at the Rams, Bess etc etc.
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2nd best small wr in draft, close behind torrey smith.
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Meh. Hankerson's probably the third best receiver in the draft.
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Hidie HO!!!!
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Gotta be an O-lineman next
O-Line depth is our last real need
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
They may feel comfortable after Schwartz put it together last year,
As well as getting both Otah and Duke back this year
I knew him.
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Whats your impression?
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a small wr, great vertical (40.5), fast, 2nd most bench presses for small wrs,
highly productive. Dare I say, similar to …
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Sounds good.
A lot of people are talking about him being a slot WR right now.. Hope AE is still getting a fair chance..
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I remember him from Hawaii's bowl game...
And I was impressed. The guy sounds a lot like Smitty. Smitty’s return looks less favorable every day.
Anyway, I am happy that we picked up one of those small, fast, and strong WRs. I like that mix between having the big-bodied guys and the little ones.
Oh take a chill pill
It’s the fifth round.
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Who?
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Why wouldn't you just take Hankerson though if you're looking for a WR?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
His teammate
had like 1800 yards. Skewed numbers
mehhhhh.....
Seems like there’s more talent at more needy positions lol
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That's irrelevant
All they do is pass the ball. Salas had over 1,800 yards last season.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe in 3 WR sets.
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His 40 better be better than what ESPN says.
4.68
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Nvm,
4.42
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by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Mayock says he's a converted RB
Sounds like a good YAC Receiver who can also block down field on Run plays. I actually like it.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Not sure I understand that one.
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Strengths: Great quickness, accelerates well off the line as a slot receiver. Changes directions well. Gets into and out of his sharp routes quickly, uses stutter steps to create separation. Finds soft spots in the defense. Superb run after catch abilities; turns short passes into long gains with very good balance, acceleration and vision. Breaks tackles using both agility and a stiff arm. Executes screen passes well, wiggles his way through the defense for extra yardage. Very effective on quick slants. Willing blocker downfield, squares up and is patient enough to sustain.
Weaknesses: Drops too many catchable passes, tends to body catch. Only a valuable asset in the quick passing game and does not have the size or receiving ability to make many plays down the field. Not a physical receiver, uncomfortable trying to make catches in traffic and prefers to separate using speed alone. Struggles to adjust to errant passes in any direction. Does not have good snap awareness and is occasionally late off the ball.
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Pilares tore his PCL in the Hawaii Bowl and must first demonstrate that he is healthy. If he recovers from his injury, he can be an effective slot receiver. He has great foot speed and regularly separates from linebackers and defensive backs on crossing and drag routes. He also finds soft spots in zone coverage and is very difficult to tackle in the open field after the catch. He lacks the speed to stretch the field, but this converted running back is shifty enough to move the chains. Pilares will be a late round pick if his rehabilitation is successful.
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What is it with us and injury risks this draft?
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
More on Pilares
can be found here
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Pilares made a name for himself as one of college football’s most dangerous offensive weapons in one of the nation’s most prolific offenses. Playing both running back and slot receiver during his career at Hawaii, Pilares was incredibly productive this past season, finishing seventh in the nation in receiving yards and third in touchdowns (for the nation’s sixth-ranked offense).
As a freshman running back, Pilares led the team in rushing with 388 yards on 68 carries and three touchdowns while catching 26 passes for 249 yards and a score. He rushed the ball 56 times as a sophomore for 300 yards and five touchdowns, adding 29-246-2 receiving. He moved to receiver as a junior and totaled 66 receptions for 690 yards and four touchdowns. He broke out as a senior, earning second-team All-WAC honors after hauling in 88 passes for 1,306 yards and 15 touchdowns.
While Pilares is explosive, he is an undersized one-dimensional threat with inconsistent hands who offers little value to make plays down the field in tight coverage. Pilares may not get drafted early, but his likeness to former Hawaii and current Miami Dolphins pass-catcher Davone Bess and versatility as a slot receiver, runner and return man could earn him a Saturday slot.
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I would be very happy if he turns into Bess.
I’ve never seen this kid play though. I saw Bess play (cos I liked their QB) and you could tell he had something about him.
Someone needs to find a highlights vid!
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Well, if he ends up like Bess we will have struck gold lol
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This was dumb Im sorry
Nothign against this dude but we are using to many picks on reaches and there are to many good players we are letting slip on threw our fingers they are not drasfting smart at all IMO
This was the first pick that really confused me...
the Hogan pick made sense once I thought about it, but WR? Really? We need OL depth more than another potential slot prospect….
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His grade was 3.1.
A lot of guys left have higher grades (around 6.0) but obviously we had a high grade on this dude. Pilares for President!
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love those southern girls (the ones who don’t balloon out anyways lol)!
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they just showed video of his draft "party" lol
he’s sitting on the couch bored out of his mind, with his woman close by
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I think they like
the idea of using him motion out of the backfield.
Again
I think it was too early to take him. It just feel like we are unprepared for the draft process. We don’t get the best out of it
There is no way we were unprepared for this draft
with all the time usually dedicated to OTA’s, free agency etc. being dedicated to the draft.
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by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
We may scout the players
really well. But we have no idea where other teams have rated the same players. We could have moved back and taken Fua quite easily. We could taken Pilares later.
Not saying they are bad players – we just don’t know when to take them
Competition
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by Jake Humphrey on Apr 30, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Justs seems like Hurney is chasing his tail...
He gives up the back 40 for AE last year and now skips over a need position for this guy. I dont dislike this pick, I just dont understand it. I guess that’s why I’m not a NFL GM.
by CoastalCat on Apr 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what I was thinking.
I guess competition but damn. Hopefully we’re getting STACKED at the position and there won’t be enough balls to go around. That or they plan on running some spread/4 WR sets. I wouldn’t mind that at all.
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Wow
There were some better than decent options at adding O-line depth. I would have prefered that.
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Mayock said he thinks like Hogan, Pilares will eventually be a starting WR
I like guys like this for Cam. Guys that can take easier passes and use their feet to convert them into big gains.
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Mayock is good at judging CBs especially. WRs he's not too shabby either.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Sounds like he fits three places that we're concerned about on our team
Can play recieving back, returner, or slot reeiver. Good insurance for all three positions.
Have to admit though
Those highlights looked pretty good.
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I'm telling you looking at his highlights
They see Smitty 2.0 in him
Get NFL Network.
To hell with ESPN.
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He makes an good point though
Why draft a slot receiver when you gave up a 2nd to get one last year?
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It is not like he is wrong
I am sorry but dont like this pick. Im not saying this guys isnt good but dang it we need to give AE some time this is going to kill his development. Plus we really needed Cannon. And after taking Hogan over a lot of other good CB’s im just a little upset today with our picks.
Damn
They’re showing footage of him, looks quite a bit like Smitty.
Kiper said we’re giving up on last year’s draft by drafting Cam to replace Pickles and Pilares to be the slot receiver that Armanti was supposed to be. Interesting.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
Kiper is the reason I'm watch the NFL Network
I like Mayock a LOT better
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
*watching
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hate Mayock's lisp, or whatever that sound is...
it gets amplified with the mic lol
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hmmm
I never noticed it…
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it sounds more like he has too much spit or something in his mouth
you’ll notice when he starts talking at length…or maybe my ears are just super sensitive lol
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I dont think a 5th round pick
is going to necessarily replace your 3rd (that cost you a 2nd) from the year before. No way the new staff has been able to evaluate Edwards enough to say he’s hopeless. I agree that it’s for competition… and insurance.
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True, but
I still would’ve liked to have gotten an O-lineman for depth
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by Tarheel Soldier on Apr 30, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I'm interested to see what we could do creatively with some of our guys...
We have one receiver who is a QB and one receiver who is a running back as well as a QB that can run like a running back.
Hopefully we will see some crazy reverse and wildcat type of plays this year. I seen a highlight of Cam Newton catching a touchdown pass too!
Dilfer mentioned that Cam could help us immediately
Not necessarily by passing the ball, but with the option. That would look awesome.
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2011 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
The amount of playmakers we could have in the backfield at one time is intriguing
I’ve seen some of the highlights of Cam handing the ball off and then faking a run himself too, that could be benefitial to our our RB’s too.
Basically, he just needs to be accounted for on every play as a runner as well.
I suspect a lot of teams are going to dedicate an LB to spy on Cam...
Which should help open up the offense for both running and passing.
Good point! Opens up the field that much more.
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Exactly!
It’s going to help tremendously in keeping the defense honest which was a huge problem for us last year.
Pretty much every defense last year just put a target on our RB’s because our QB situation wasn’t a threat to run or throw.
Every team is going to make Newton beat them with his arm
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Wishful thinking...
But wouldn’t a Cam handing off to Pilares who hands off to Edwards who throws a pass to Newton be pretty cool? lol
We could run
the quadruple option.
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Perhaps the FO thinks Cannon will fall to the 6th… if they are even considering him at all.
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Everything I see says Pilares was projected to go in the 4th or 5th
So why do some of you think taking him was a reach?
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I don't think it was that much of a reach
Just think there were some good O-Linemen available that could’ve been better picks. Hope dude proves me wrong.
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If we're going to totally ignore O-Linemen
I want Pianalto in the 6th.
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Romeus in the sixth? and then Oline maybe
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
From Hawaii..about Pilares
Meh, he probably would’ve been around a little later. Had some issues with DROPS in my drunken opinion. He has not peaked yet, so that’s a good thing. Not really loving the pick, but what do I know about putting together a football team.
by HI State of Mind on Apr 30, 2011 2:03 PM EDT reply actions
Insight appreciated
I don’t think many on here have seen him lol I sure as hell had no clue who he was
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Good point about his growth...he's still learning the position, having only played it 2 years
He has decent speed, is shifty in the open field, appears to be great at the slant and drag patterns (and fearless over the middle)…all of which could open him up for surprise post patterns if the defense gets lulled into expecting the underneath stuff. And I think he can be taught to catch the ball with his hands out in front of him, which should reduce his drops in time.
I’m not excited about the pick (who gets excited after the 4th round anyway?), but I think it’s a decent pick.
Considering how much LaFell's hands improved over the course of last season...
That’s not a huge concern for me as far as Pilaras. Smith’s recent increase in drops worries me because it seems to indicate a decline from a peak – and I can’t help but wonder if it’s related to the broken arms in the past and the fact that his arms are full of steel instead of bone now.
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WTF, we take Pilares when Cannon, Pinkston, DJ Williams, and a lot of other talent is available?!?! Would’ve rather had Niles Paul.
We traded next years first to move up to take him.
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Sorry, but beyond the Cam and Fua picks, I'm not going crazy for this draft...
Just not doing it for me. There are better values available, and players I would much rather have. Just not liking some of these picks.
I liked the first 3 and could stand the Hogan pick even though I thought we could do better but im not in love with this
But I will root for them all and hope for the best just feel sorry for AE.
I will root for them of course
But I don’t have to like the picks. I definitely would’ve gone in other directions if I was at the helm.
Our O-Line
will be much better than last year when we get Otah back. However, I would have liked more depth and a 5th rounder that could possibly start….should have taken Cannon
Cannon most likely won't play next year
He has 3 months of Chemo
Which is why teams are staying away
He works for the patriots because very few of their picks need to play soon anyway
Forgot about that
I still think it would have been a good pick.
I understand that, however
When he gets healthy, in a year, he’ll be as good as a second round pick, and most likely be a starter. At this point in the 5th, it wouldn’t have been a big loss if we would’ve missed with him.
I get the feeling that everyone whose panicking about the OLine didn't watch the back half of the season
They improved, even with Otah, Robinson, and Wharton out. Chill the fuck out.
No matter what position we draft, we’ll be insuring a position we drafted recently. DT? Corvey Irvin. CB? McClain/Munnerlyn. OT/OG? Robinson/Schwartz. RB? Goodson. WR? Gettis/LaFell/Edwards. LB? lol.
These rounds are for depth. You aren’t going to get much more out of the 5th than you are out of the 7th.
Depth is what we're taking about
Depth at O-line should is more important than depth at WR.
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Possibly
I just think with AE and Wallace Wright waiting for a shot, we could add depth where we don’t have quite as much. I like what I’ve seen from highlights of the guy though. If nothing else, the other guys will have to fight to not lose their spot to him.
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That's not necessarily true
Many many many Pro-Bowlers come from these rounds
Depth, Depth, Depth....
We’ve been weak on the OL depth since Hangartner left, and it showed last year (especially with otah out); We definitely need OL depth over WR depth at this point
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Still have Ziemba and Pinkston
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WIld draft for the Panthers so far
Not how i expected it OR would have done it myself. Definite change in philosophy from the Fox era!
A bunch of reaches is my first impression….scary.
I hope going forward from here the team will, in this order:
1) Get some OL depth.
2) Bring in a veteran QB
3) Get good return on trades for (Smith and) Clausen while we can.
We went Cam Newton (i would have taken Dareus and then Mallet in the 3rd but oh well. .. Mallet will be the next Brady up in NE!), so we should part ways with Clausen asap – get something for him while he’s still young and not a complete bust.
Since we’re obviously going in some completely new direction, i ’d love to see the team bring in McNabb to tutor/compete with Newton. A (used to be) mobile QB that could play right away and hopefully help develop our new franchise stud.
Additionally, If they are giving up on Edwards as a WR (drafting Pilares?) then i’d like to see Edwards either traded or used in the back field. Fox may have ruined his career here in Carolina with his lame-duck, half-assed, bs coaching job last season.
Also think we've reached...
Really hope this scouting department did work and our decision makers will prove these picks to be great.
That's just a first impression though
I’m ready to watch the young high risk guys we’ve taken prove me wrong!
I really don't think its an indictment of AE
How could the new staff possibly have had enough time to evaluate him?
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I don't think so either
I think we are going to have a lot of competition at receiver this year.
I like the fact that it’s looking like there will be a lot of young guys competing with each other for the available jobs this year!
Yup
Add Wallace Wright back to the mix and we have a lot of young talent at WR.
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I'm pretty sure he was signed to a one-year deal.
I’d personally like to have him back. He’s a fast dude. His 40 was 4.37.
That's all he had to his game. He ran quickly in a straight line. Get rid.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Exactly
We are going to be set for a while when this team starts clicking. We are SO young at almost every position.
What was the feeling around here when we drafted Gettis last year?
I wasn’t on the boards during the draft last year and I’m interested to hear if there was a similar reaction after drafting Gettis seeing as how we’d already picked up Lafell and Edwards.
I have to imagine it was slightly more tempered, since Edwards was a project pick
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Minnesota is after McNabb pretty hardcore it sounds like.
Everybody expects McNabb to land there. I agree though, he would be a great mentor to Cam.
There goes Williams!
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Ilike this draft so far
Did the dirty birds just trade up again
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Not sure...
Then again, how much ammunition do they have left at this point? Are they gonna wind up just not participating in next year’s draft?
so they're going to leave this draft with three players
possibly none on defense. Sounds good to me!
Jacquizz Rodgers as a change of pace back
for Michael Turner. That will be a scary 3rd down back to face, and a scary offense in general.
I know I didn't.
I’ve definitely already lost this draft guess. I know at least three of my picks were taken from other teams, if not more.
I don't think anybody expert or not did very great on predicting this draft
It has been pretty unpredictable.
FUNNY !
As a side note, have you noticed on NFLN, that when they do an interview of any coach, on the background board there is a series of round signs that says “CAM”.
I know what it means but still thought it was funny!
Sic ’em Panthers !!!!!
Jim
Everybody is bitching about the Pilares pick,
but yesterday people were advocating taking Hankerson/Little with our third round pick. I understand people felt that we reached a little for Pilares, but none of have seen the Panthers big board.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
YES THEY DO!!!
jk lol
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't prepare enough
so that we know when to move back and went to trade up. That much is becoming obvious from this draft.
Oakland takes a great prospect....
Moore will overtake Bey on the depth chart, almost guaranteed; he’s definitely a WR on the rise, and got held back by extremely uneven QB play at Tennessee
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Ziemba may still be available in the 6th.
Anyone heard anything negative about him?
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Tons.
Cam was great, but his offensive line was nothing to write home about. Often, it’s the reason he had to take off and run. Not a Ziemba fan.
?
Auburn’s line was consistently cited as being one of the best in the SEC, especially since most of the line had come in at the same time and stayed together all 4 years
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I watched a lot of Auburn football as well...
they were pretty consistently solid; certainly a product of the “sum of their parts” more than any one individual, but a pretty damn good line nonetheless.
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I agree that Ziemba himself has some limiting flaws though...
otherwise it’d be a no brainer to take him lol; he needs someone to teach him to stop having “two left feet”
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
ESPN's scouting report
says he has trouble run-blocking in open areas…. no thanks.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
But then again
Coaching is there for a reason.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Well, he's not very agile, doesn't bend well, doesn't have good lateral agility, and leans a lot
Basically he plays like a top heavy white guy. Which is what he is.
This from NFL.com
Ziemba, fresh off a BCS National Championship with Auburn, has a chance to become a solid starting right tackle at the next level. Has a ton of starts on his resume including many against top competition. He possesses excellent size and good mobility for a big man. Despite all his starting experience, he could still benefit from tightening up his technique as both a pass and run blocker. Flashes the foot speed and quickness the teams covet but still needs to do a better job protecting the quarterback and blocking out in space. Ziemba’s a talented, battled-tested prospect who should be selected in the third round-range.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
I'm really not sure what to make of the draft so far.
I’m really kind of upset that we didn’t go for Cannon when he was available for such a long time. Hogan and PIlaras weren’t close to being on my radar, so I’ll have to spend some time on Youtube tonight. At first glance, I can kind of see some value in the two, but I’m cautious.
Cam, I’m cautious on. If the guy lives up to his potential, I’ll be absolutely thrilled. Physically, he reminds me so much of Josh Freeman.
I am quite happy with the McClain and Fua picks, though.
I should say...
That the Hogan and Pilaras picks may have to do with some versatility that they offer given the past positions that they’ve played.
The team may think that they have some value as special teamers. I suspect Rivera’s thinking a lot about special teams – considering that’s what drug down San Diego. When you have the #1 overal offense and #1 overall defense, you have to look at special teams.
Does anybody have a link to that article with the formula that predicted Stanzi's success in that weird formula?
I have some friends that are KC fans and i can’t find that article.
This should make them happy
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Of course we did
Just the D-Line picks themselves improved us.
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I think our Run D definitely has improved.
Our offense has improved with Cam already, well because it couldn’t get any worse than it was last year. Not sure we’ve improved our skill positions. Don’t think we’ve done much for our Pass D, esp being that Hogan may not play this year.
Wow T J Yates to Houston.
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Yeah, wow
He’ll be a good fit there though. Proved this past year that he’s got a good arm and can spread it across the field.
I was thinking Washington would take him in a couple picks
Have no clue what they are going to do at QB.
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Yeah, I think Washington and Arizona will be picking in top 5-8 next year
Because they simply don’t have a QB. Beyond that, they don’t really have any major peices to their offenses (minus Larry Fitzgerald) and I think they’ll be picking early next year.
Damn, color me surprised he got drafted...
good for him though; hopefully he continues to improve upon his senior season (definitely has the accuracy to do it)!
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I know a lot of us are talking about Mark Herzlich but do we need him?
I mean we Have Anderson and Connor arent we starting James and gonna start Dan when Davis leaves so is he really that big of a need or do those 2 not really have good enough talent to start?
Not sure Dan would fit in terribly well outside (certainly not at the will)...
and Anderson staying is far from a sure thing; The uncertainty with our personnel, combined with Herzlich’s talent level, make the pick appealing.
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
We don't need him
But Anderson and Davis are both FA, although both will probably return. And Dan couldn’t play outside.
Go Panthers
Davis is our only UFA, based on 2010 rules
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Well Herzlich has that major IT factor
Has major starting talent could be starting for us a year or 2
Besides, there's nothing saying our LB corps doesn't get decimated by injury again lol
thank god we had the depth we did last year
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For those who think small hands
are bad for a receiver – Pilares’ hands measure 8.75".
Pilares rates as a potential elite NFL WR according to fantasyfootballmetrics.com
http://fantasyfootballmetrics.com/Player_News/2011/NFL%20Draft/Draft_2011_Pilares_4-19-11_1.0.htm
Pilares is our #2 “small WR” overall, and if I was forced to combine our “big” and “small” WR lists together, I would say Pilares would be around our #5-7 overall WR. Pilares also rates as a potential elite NFL WR based historically in our system, which makes him a potentially huge steal for some team in this Draft.
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I was iffy on this pick too
But after watching his film I think he could be a stud. Plus it says he used to play DB and RB. Maybe another Goings???
He has the same level of versatility...
…but I see him being much more of a contributer than Goings was (yes, I know he was our starting RB at one point due to injuries). I see Pilares making a mark as an H-Back or slot receiver…getting on the field more for the offense than special teams.
I don't know much about that site
So not sure how reliable it is. But was good to hear none the less :)
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If nothing else, they make some interesting observations...
it’s fun to read at least lol
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Would be fine with me
If we’re going to remain allergic to O-Linemen.
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Quan Sturdivant to Washington?
London Fletcher is the beast of all beasts, but he’s not exactly young anymore.
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would make sense
all my skins buddies are dying for LB help, and especially someone who could be plugged into their 3-4
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Wow Hogan can hit!!
Take a look at this high light reel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gZDsuAOUSg
Looks like he can return also. He will blow people up like Harris did.
I like collard greens.
As I said I am real real happy with our picks so far
but that’s just me =P
We're shooting for the stars a bit with some of these picks
At least every pick other than the DTs are high risk high reward picks. I actually like this… Fox’s play it safe approach was getting very old.
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James posted that one earlier...
he definitely fits the “new” emphasis on tackling lol (although how good form tackling ever went out of vogue is beyond me)!
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Another WR for Wash... interesting.
Maybe they can set up a pitching machine behind center to get it to him.
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Starting at QB for YOUR Redskins.... JUGZ
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Tim Barnes, C, Missouri..another guy to consider
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Green or Oordt would make some sense...
Let’s face it…our TE’s have been pretty subpar for a lot of years now. Chud likes to have his TE be a legit weapon and I think they brought Shockey in to bridge the gap and inspire the group for a year.
that's comforting lol
certainly doesn’t hurt that he’s basically the same size
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I am starting to like Pileras
But I just hate that now this could mean the end of the Armanti project. I was really likeing him as the 3rd reciever . I just really wanted him to contribute and I feel like Pileras is taking over his job.
Actually Edwards did good at KR the few times he got the opportunity.
Edwards could have much more of an impact last year if Fox had not (in my mind) intentionally sabotaged him. Fox never liked the pick and did all he could do to undermine it.
The fe times AE got on the field Fox kept using him in places where he did not excel like PR. Edwards was obviously much better at KR then PR yet only got 1 chance all preseason.
I have to correct you here, because i have heard so many say similar things that are not entirely accurate.
it's not inaccurate
Are you saying AE did bad at KR? You have no evidence of that outside of him not getting the chance. And it’s obvious Fox’s coaching job last season was the worst in the NFL.
Where did I say he was bad as a KR?
As a “returner” in general he was way too sketchy to be relied upon. And your one example as a KR doesn’t suggest otherwise.
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haha. About four posts above!
JBeason53 said, “he could still be a KR or PR .” You replied, “lol, did you see him return last year?”
My example certainly does suggest AE could be a decent KR if given the chance. He did well at KR in very limited action. That suggests that with more opportunities, he could be a good option there.
My point was that i am confident that Fox did all he could last year to not play him or make him look in bad a light as possible intentionally; and it obviously has worked because all anybody seems to remember of him from last season is two muffed punts.
(I feel similarly about the whole team actually. Fox tanked it and tried to blame the Carolina FO for not having the right tools. Really he just refused to use them correctly.)
You assumption that I was talking about his one KR
Instead of the fumbles and other problems as a PR is what’s inaccurate.
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But I don't want to fight about it
If he lights it up in pre-season then let him do it.
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I fear he may never get a fair shot in Carolina.
Last season was his audition, and he didn’t excel. It didn’t help that he was playing for a coaching staff that refused to use him.
Last season’s failures were also a perfect time to give Armanti a chance to be a QB, or at least a wildcat option type QB. Now the team has drafted a bigger, less refined passer version of him to be the “face of the franchise” for the Panthers. I don’t invision Edwards
It only makes Fox’s departure that more welcomed and overdue in retrospect.
I wouldn't worry about AE
Rivera has already said that he and Chud are envisioning AE as a Josh Cribbs-type of player. I think this year, he’ll have a legitimate shot at seeing the field.
"..don't invision Edwards...."
ever materializing here in Carolina – at any position.
As a Panther fan and App Alum i would love for him to thrive here. But i’m pretty pessimistic about that happening.
What do you mean he didn't excel???
Did you not see that one kick return? Saying things like “last season’s failures” in light of that one return is pretty inaccurate don’t ya think?
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"worst in the NFL"
That’s debatable, but I very much see and understand your point. Fox is a system coach (just like people talk about system QB’s), which means he isn’t all that adaptable. I think he was taken far out of his comfort zone with the moves the FO made…and granted, he didn’t respond as well as he could have.
I don’t think Fox has ever been a “teaching coach,” but I think he does well with experienced players who already have an understanding of the pro game (think Phil Jackson). So much like we’ve talked about several Panthers last year not being put in a position to succeed, I think the same could be said of John Fox.
Ignoring emotional preferences and personal opinions, the job of everyone on an NFL team, from the FO on down to the practice squad, is to put everyone in the organization in a position to succeed. And the Panthers as an organization just didn’t do that during the 2010 season. But a new coaching staff, new players, existing players with a year more experience, and a different perspective from the FO brings hope that this will change in the coming year/s.
We had the worst record in the NFL and i would argue NOT the worst roster.
I say that makes Fox’s coaching job last year easily the worst in the league.
Fox certainly deserves blame,
but you can’t coach away that many injuries to starting players.
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
or that much inexperience
arguing the quality of the roster is a wasted effort, as it’s highly subjective AT BEST.
Wallace Wright will get another shot, too.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I don't think that's the case.
Like i said before, with the lockout in place, I really don’t see how the new staff has had enough time to evaluate AE.
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Sutton
how could you forget?
Hey, I think we're stacked at RB
But if Hurney and Rivera think we need one (obviously because they were looking at Taiwan Jones) then this guy would be a good value.
A lot of people had Adams rated highly, but I dunno....
he had some serious butter on his hands at times last year (overall, decent group of WRs, but kinda like the line it was more “sum of the parts” than any one individual). Ziemba and the LB (I forget his name) should go before it’s all said and done though
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Seems like Ziemba should be the next pick for us, but....
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that could be absolutely sick
and it seems like Romeus’ biggest issue is uneven motivation (and a little rough around the edges), so why not?
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Again, from the looks of this draft, I don't think BPA is important
We are drafting under a completely new, never seen before drafting philosophy.
I think Herzlich is very talented...
Even if he’s not back at 100%. And he has such a great story. I think he’d probably be a very good teammate/locker room presence wherever he ends up.
His upside is tremendous as well (not so long ago was a top 10 talent)...
so taking him here is just low risk/high reward
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I thought Burney would be a target, but after taking Hogan I'm not sure how focused they are on CB...
then again, we took Sanford and Mcclain late last year, so who knows?
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Ol' Hickory would outrank Captain!
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
But this is football!
we’re not trying to wage war on Indians anymore (well, except for playing the Redskins this year)…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
He took New Orleans back from the Brits in 1813
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
After they quit fighting. :)
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Hey, they didn't know the war was over. No cellphone reception.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Wild guess
we will take either Byron Stingily or Willie Smith
You know, the more I think about it...
The more I like the upside of Virgil Green. Super athletic TE that could improve blocking.
TWSS
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
I know you're not inferring you've heard a male say that =P
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Apparently
A First Team Big East selection last two years. 123 tackles last year, leading the conference.
Don't freak put he may still be there when we pick again
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
The new James Anderson?
Someone to sit on the bench and learned the system for a few years, then start and do great?
From Lindy's Scouting Report...
He’s rated as 4th rounder, so good value here. Very instinctive blitzer, smart WLB with great instincts.
Teams always want line backers for special teams.
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Also says:
“Wilson has speed instincts, pass rush and coverage skills coveted by teams in 3rd/4th round as a future starter who might surprise in role as a rookie”
I think
the coaches should read more CSR :-)
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
Yeah I agree now that I looked more at him
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
that said
I trust their instincts over mine 100% of the time
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by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Wish we would get some damn Otah insurance.
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Don't like ths draft class all that much :l
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Apr 30, 2011 3:35 PM EDT reply actions
I wasn't a fan at first
When they passed up Salas for Hogan and then Cannon for Pilares but in Ron and company we trust. Trying to look at this from an unbiased perspective I think they know what they are doing. The 4th and 5th round picks are both guys who have switched positions so they could still have a much higher ceiling than we think and if their not worried about our offensive line then I will try not to as well
Draft Pick Contest
I think the leader has two picks right. Prophets we are not lol
"I’m not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."
Is Wilson coming from a 3-4 or a 4-3?
I’m assuming since he’s designated as an “OLB” that he’s a 3-4. Just curious though.
Pretty sure
he is from a 4-3. Not built for 3-4 in the NFL anyway.
reading over it, he really does remind me of Davis the most
I noticed last year that our sub at WLB when Davis/Beason weren’t over there didn’t seem to get it done. If Davis goes down we really don’t have much on that side of the line.
Interesting...
…he could play SS in obvious running situations. Like Thomas Davis (who came out of UGA as a SS), he’s a Will/SS ‘tweener. He’s not a smashmouth kind of player, but is fast and aggressive, from what I’ve read.
All the tallent that was there
Virgil Green Quan Strudivan Kendrick Burney Wesley Saunders
SMH i just dont know
Not going to complain too much
perhaps we are going to address some needs in FA. Wilson seems like a good prospect and we have not reached for him but OLB is far from a need position.
yea
Newton, Fua and mcclain are good. I wish we would have picked Tandon Doss and Boling, i think thats his last name, think the bears got him.
by PantherTrain on Apr 30, 2011 3:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Food for thought...
Josh Jasper might be worth looking at in the final round if still available. Accurate PK who also punts. Would be nice to go from eating up 3 roster slots with kickers down to one.
FYI: I’m a diehard Kasay guy, but he aint gettin any younger.
We worked out
Kai Forbath.
I actually like Jasper a lot
I’m just wondering if we are seriously targeting Forbath because of the workout. Either one would be fine with me.
Quan to the Cards.
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Can Imam’s say WTF?!
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by Schrute Bucks on Apr 30, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Big 'n beefy and would be a great value this far down in the draft
I think the major knock on him is that his technique is somewhat rudimentary right now.
One day could develop into starter
Not great speed, but good athlete. Smooth. Nose for the ball.
Go Panthers
Sounds like Conner.
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Read my mind. Might we trade Sir Connor???
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
I think this LB from UCONN
will be an absolute beast on special teams…and one day at LB. I love the pick.
8 Tarheels selected already
Burney will go too… maybe even Pianalto.
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Yup
Thanks for all the suspensions guys…. that team would’ve fought for a championship.
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instead you lost to the PACK :)
Fourth year in a row i believe?
oooooh...harsh!
…but as an NCSU alum, I like it. :-D
Mark my words, James Anderson will not be back
A team with less depth at LB will be willing to pay much more than us. We’ll need to put our resources elsewhere.
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They'd have to give up 1st round pick, though. But your words are duly marked :)
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If you listened to local media or even the players and ex-players themselves you'd no this almost a forgone conclusion
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/3724/player?r=1
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If he was a UFA, I would agree. But that story was written Feb.12th.
IDK.. Really depends on whether 2010 rules apply as to whether we’d get the 1st rounder.
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Thomas Davis is a bigger priority
And they want to get him, Beason and Connor on the field as much as possible.
Per Steve Reed…
Anderson, who had a breakout year in 2010, is a guy the team would like to have back, but it’s unlikely they’re going to overpay for a strong side linebacker since they’re generally not that difficult to find in the free agent market and the team has so many other pressing needs.
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I dunno
We need a guy at SLB, and he’s really the only guy for that. TD is WLB, and Lawrence Wilson is too small for SLB, he’s a WLB as well. I think we’ll keep him.
Well you'll be wrong then
I’ll side with all the experts who have relationships within the organization.
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Well, being that there is a lockout
No teams can sign or not sign players, so neither of us is wrong.
From Steve Reed:
It’s easy to see what the Carolina Panthers like about sixth-round draft pick Lawrence Wilson, a linebacker from Connecticut.
All you have to do is take a look at his productivity.
Wilson started 51 games for UConn during his college career and three times posted 100-plus tackle seasons. He finished with 449 tackles, which ranks second in school history and fourth in Big East annals.
Considered a ballhawk on defense, Wilson forced and recovered six fumbles and had 9.5 career sacks along with five interceptions, most of those coming as a weak side linebacker.
Wilson has also played middle linebacker, but said "I would say weak side is my strength due to my athletic ability and speed."
However, that position is currently occupied by Thomas Davis, although he’s an unrestricted free agent.
Wilson said he will volunteer to do whatever he can just to get on the football field.
"Whatever they need of me to do, whether it’s going out and playing special teams or coming in on third downs I’m willing to do," Wilson said.
A native of Tuscaloosa, Wilson said his family missed the brunt of the tornadoes that thrashed the area earlier this week. Still, he said being down there at the time and living through the storm was "scary."
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I would think so.
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He'll probably get a shot at it.
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Because Beason only plays weakside grudgingly
At least it’s my impression that he want’s to be in the middle. And playing him out of position just because lesser guys aren’t as versatile isn’t fair.
Plus he wasn’t as effective last year.
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Beason should do nothing but be the heart of our defense...
…figuratively and literally.
Funny Tweet.
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RT @RQuinn42: Peter, will I start for the rams this yr? Haaa … I should hope so, Robert. Congrats. You will love Spagnuolo. Good luck.
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Whatabout Schilling?
He was supposed to go in 3rd and 3 time Most Outstanding Lineman. Would be a good pick for OL depth.
Damn Skins....
Enough with the WR’s already… 20 WR’s won’t make Grossman any better.
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Hope one of them was a QB in Jr. High.
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Hunter Cantwell is with the Ravens?
damn, kinda surprised he’s employed right now to be honest lol
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Their back up is Hunter Cantwell.
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I think he's better than Troy Smith IMO
i say he’s like a early Michael Vick with a slight better arm then
eh...just because he's from VT doesn't mean you can associate them that liberally
Tyrod is a better pocket QB at this stage in his development; and although he’s athletic, he doesn’t have the raw, electric athleticism Vick did coming out of college. I don’t think he’ll ever be anything more than a capable, athletic backup in the NFL.
I just know that a lot of Ravens fans are not happy he hasn't been improving really
Especially with all the weapons he has.
Many think he has turned about to be a high floor/low ceiling
Maybe they're superstitious since Flacco doesn't look great once he gets to the playoffs.
Maybe they’ll let Flacco play during the regular season and then suddenly put in Taylor once they make it to the playoffs. =)
(I’m kidding. Although I do really like Taylor.)
Taylor was a great college QB
But he’s unlikely to be anything more than a backup in the NFL. And he’s one of the shorter QBs in the draft.
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Sounded like Kiper said the Skins were prepared to go forward with John Beck at QB?
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Shooot
Maybe they’ll want Clausen
by James Dator on Apr 30, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clausen for McNabb?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Since Cam
is the newer, genetically superior, Terminator-esque version of McNabb, It sounds like McNabb would be the perfect Mentor.
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Then 41 after that :)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I'm surprised we've yet to draft an O-lineman
But I’ve been very pleased with the draft so far. I’m very excited about the potential of Pilares. Reminds me a lot of the Rules and Regulations.
he's not as fast/quick...
…but he plays through contact and weighs about 10 lbs more. As a former RB, he can take some punishment…as a former CB he knows where the defense is likely to be. I don’t know if he’s Smitty, Jr…but I think he’s going to be a good pro player and an excellent draft pick by the Panthers.
I just watched all of the video of PIlares that was posted earlier...
And dang, I think I really like the pick. He plays like a WR before the catch, and suddenly after the catch, he turns into the perfect mash-up of a finesse-type RB and a bruiser-type RB. Does that make sense?
After referencing the rules and regulations
yes… yes it does
His highlights remind me of a Wes Welker/Smitty hybrid
Or in other words the slot-Smitty we always talked about, but never got to actually see.
stay thirsty my friends
I doubt he has the hops to be as dynamic a deep threat that Smitty was
Smitty was ridiculous for his size!
stay thirsty my friends
The more I hear about Pilares...
The more I love the pick. And I was a big fan of the pick from the start
Interesting... but short arms also
All the highlights I saw he’s in the slot, so it’s hard to guage.
stay thirsty my friends
I agree in on one point:
he will never be the deep threat Smitty was. But that’s not his specialty…he’s a dump off/drag/slant receiver who can jump to the ball and break free from tackling. And if we utilize him as such, I think we can lure defensive backs into crowding him at the LOS, and then turn him loose for a skinny post. I’ll take him one-on-one versus a Safety with a deep pass…but not so much against a pro caliber CB on the outside.
Sione Fua Film
Found some non-highlight film on Fua.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St0Zyeh43ow
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
I'm about 1 minute into this video and so far he has been knocked out of every single play.
I have hope, but not an encouraging video so far.
If he can get back to form
Biggest steal ever
we should take him somewhere
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
We have taken guys with questionable injuries and character issues this draft
Why not take a 6th round gamble on Herzlich. The dude could be a monster in 2-3 years…or next year even. And he will be GREAT in the locker room. I would love it at this point.
I'm out guys, got to go to work
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
The fact that Green is still on the board blows my mind.
Are there some sort of health/attitude/character concerns about him?
I don't think we need a TE in this draft
We’ve got Shockey for at least a year, and I didn’t think that this years TE class was very good. We may be in a position to draft a first round talent at TE next year.
And, historically speaking, TE is the position where rookies make the most impact straight away.
In the pre-draft press conference, Rivera mentioned TE by committee
Not quite the same tune he was singing when they first hired him. So maybe he’s more content now with what we have.
stay thirsty my friends
Andy Dalton on the right?
Go Panthers
by Smitty89 on Apr 30, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, Isn't Andy Dalton directing the Stephen King Dark Tower movies? :)
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
One more comment
Greg McElroy’s girl is bad as hell
Sooo me, Cam, Ron, Marty, Don, Chud, Sean, Mike and Jerry are going out to have some Cammy Cam juice... Who's coming?
I'm totally going way back to earlier today...
But I think Hogan will be a pretty good pick if he learns to take the free taxi service the NFL provides instead of going the He Who Shall Not be Named/DUI route. I’m hesitant as far as that’s concerned. And I wish he were a little taller, but the guy plays with more aggression than any one of our DBs. I can see why Rivera/McDermott would be interested.
I know I drove drunk once
Sometimes you get to drunk to think….. never happened again… maybe it was the same for him and he just got unlucky… hopefully
And then he peed in public
That’s the REAL red flag. What if he returns an INT for an TD and celebrates by peeing on the other teams logo on the field at an away game? Might look bad for us!
I once did the party bus thing in Minneapolis and the bus had no toilet
We were stopping to pee in public constantly! haha
Try walking a mile across town from a house party drunk off your ass
…. you gotta stop at least 10 times
It's legal in Europe.
I like to believe that my best hits border on felonious assault. -Jack Tatum
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Hey now...
In my defense it was a friends birthday and we had a bunch of people on a bus partying. The bathroom issue didn’t even cross our mind until it was too late.
Well...
When you are on a bus with at least a dozen cups of keg beer in ya and there is not a bathroom anywhere near you only have a couple choices and I’ll take a sidewalk or side of a building every time over the alternative. lol
The bus driver was pissed (pun intended)
We made his stop like every 5 minutes. I do believe somebody finally just opened the back door while we are on the road! hahaha
I’m sure jkp1516 will really be impressed with that one.
Nope.
In a forest yes. In a shower…….yes. But never in public. Just don’t feel the need to break it out and pee on the sidewalk when I can just HOLD IT like a civilized person and go to a restroom.
Can’t even believe you are asking that like everyone does it! Can you imagine what a world we would live in if people had no inhibitions and were just peeing everywhere?? You are eating in a restaurant and the dude in the table next to you is peeing below the table. You’re riding the bus and some dude is peeing out the window. You are walking down the street and some dude pees on your nikes, It would be ANARCHY!!!
If that's wrong I don't wanna be right.
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
The arc and distance contest from the back deck is just classic
drunken misbehavior.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Can't tell if ya'll are serious...
What kind of a world is this??? Ya’ll are peeing everywhere! Disgusting!!
Well.. if you want to get technical... Humans weren't exactly meant to use a toilet
this is a pretty modern invention ;)
I feel the sidewalks could use a little pizzazz at 3 in the morning...
as long as I’m not in the wrong part of town anyways lol
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
uhhh, yea?
When everyone’s too plastered to care, you thank god that there’s such a thing as chlorine lol
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
OMG ya'll
That’s just repulsive. I worked as a Pool Lifeguard and Manager and I hope to god no one was peeing in that pool…
Hahaha.
This conversation reminds me of one I had with my old band… you want to talk about stupid conversations get in a room with 4-5 drunk band dudes.
We once had a long discussion about the “piss olympics” which is essentially a competition where you must be urinating during the event… like pole vault being judged by arc of the stream!
hahaha, just a conversation, we didn’t do it.
Messes up the chemical balance of the water
Almost all P… no H at all.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
What was with the Eagles and Patriots swapping the 193 and 194 picks???
At this point I think the Patriots are just mocking the rest of us. They have so many picks they don’t even need that they’re just playing games.
stay thirsty my friends
Did they swap for any other picks?
They were probably just trying to keep the streak alive. I think those two teams have traded for the last 9 years.
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I bet it was just for fun.
Bill and Andy have traded in every draft for the last 9 or 10 years. They’re just keep the streak alive for fun.
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
O-Lineman this time?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Took about 5 seconds for the pick to be in.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Overall I think this is a pretty solid draft so far guys.
Those that are worried about our starting o-line have to remember that it is practically the same line that started the 2008 season, aside from Keydrick Vincent and he was fairly mediocre. I think Schwartz has pretty much locked down the RG spot, he was actually very good last year and was a real steal back in the 6th round(?) in 2008. If Otah can come back healthy this line can return to dominance, particularly in the run game. But it is still essential to find some depth behind those guys and I don’t think Bernadeau should be sticking around much longer if his 2010 performance was anything to go by.
lot of people want a new RG.
I think Schwartz is pretty good. And depth at G could be pretty good if Duke Robinson has actually gotten his act together.
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And the pick is...................
Zack Williams C
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Yay! A lineman.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Backup Center. I'm cool with that.
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
Zach Williams Combine Video.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d81ecaace/2011-combine-workout-Zack-Williams
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That was definitely a need pick
Having a C/G will definitely add to our flexibility and depth on O-line
Another upside pick for the Panthers
Williams is raw, but he’s a damn sight better than Bernadeau snapping the ball.
In the end, this deep in the draft the names you recognize are those who have significant issues for a reason. It’s these picks, like Williams that may not excite, may not raise the needle… but end up having more solid careers.
7th round comp
Kendrick Burney?
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
Dang will Burney get picked?
He didnt look to good when he came back this season, but he looked a lot beter in previous years
by passthedamnchipsdavidson on Apr 30, 2011 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
Just too funny
John Fox takes two pass catching TEs. Who the hell is he kidding?
Former players = Bad owners
Michael Jordan for example.
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
*Great former players = Bad owners
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
They don't necessarily become "bad owners"...
just not always good GM’s
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Michael Jordan is not a bad owner at all.
I don’t know what your talking about.
by TS BOBCAT on Apr 30, 2011 5:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Bobcats
Lets not get into basketball, this may be the only football we get into for a long time
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
Guess you're right
Elway says he will contribute in Special Teams
I'm watching Washington lose in the 2nd round again lol
fuck the caps; Hurricanes coming back in a big way next year!
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I'm a Wild fan.. but have been pulling for San Jose in the playoffs
Was a pretty sweet overtime win against the Red Wings last night!
That would be a badass series
I just hope the Sharks can keep it up against the wings…. honestly, the Red Wings looked better in last nights game, their puck control is ridiculous.
I was pulling for Chicago because I have friends that are Black Hawk fans...
but don’t mind seeing Vancouver win that series either.
This year's playoffs have been amazing
They’d only be better if the Canes were in it.
Currently watching the Flyers Bruins
Flyers don’t look very good.
They're too depleted injury wise to make much more noise
I’m surprised they rallied against Buffalo
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
It's the goaltending more than anything
They pulled their goalie again.
I got Cam and McClain. I don’t think anybody picked Fua i’d be stunned if anyone got Hogan or the Hawaiian
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
I also got Cam and McClain...
And I think 10 other people…It’ll all come down to who put it up first…
mine isn't up yet
But i have a feeling I will get 100% :P
Man, it sucks that there'll be no UDFA right after the draft due to the lockout...
Because there are going to be A LOT of quality guys that perhaps should’ve gone in the draft. Romeus, Martin Parker, Lawrence Guy, Ian Williams, Brandon Bair, Cliff Matthews, Jeremy Beal, Pierre Allen, Herzlich, Burney, Lefeged, McDaniel, Will Hill, Deunta, Jarrard Tarrant, Jerron Johnson, Lockette, Toliver, Binns, Gurley, Pianalto, Saunders, Locke, Darren Evans, Pat Devlin, Stanley Havili, Dimarco, Ziemba, Willie Smith, Byron Bell, Linnenkohl, O’Dowd….
I mean JC if some of these guys don’t go with these final compensatory picks, there’ll be a ton of good UDFA players with a ton of potential. Wow.
Keeping my fingers crossed for Burney
The next Cap’n?
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
Will there be a supplemental draft?
If so, when does that happen?
Just took a look at the pick 8 thread
Only jdough picked Pilares, but that’s the only one he got.
Lot of folks got Cam + Mclean; didn’t note who was first
I often wish I could sell my brain to someone else. They'd be smarter, but I wouldn't give a crap, plus I could buy a new car.
41
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
i meant 41 for the round
Southern Alabama Community College dominates all NCAA sports.
+1
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Lookin at Yahoo's big board
and granted it is Yahoo, but Lee Ziemba OT from Auburn is ranked 90th overall and is still on the board. It’d be a good pick.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
6'8" 320! Big boy
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point i say
Burney or Saunders
by rscott94 on Apr 30, 2011 6:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Eastern Washington
won the FCS title this year…
I don't understand...
Didn’t we have two 7th round draft picks?
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
Gotcha!
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
by ThePanthers! on Apr 30, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel for Kendrick Burney
This time last year he was a 1st-2nd roundd grade.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
What about mark herzlich
He was supposed to be a top 5 pick
AND he had brain cancer.
Which really sucks, take it from me.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Cancer is a tangible opponent, something real to wrestle with or rail against
Burney has….nothing to “blame”
Obviously Herzlich is a worse situation.
I was simply commenting on a player for which there was no 3 minute ESPN side story.
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
Damn how is Noel Devine still undrafted?
I thought he was really good
Wasn't he injured for a lot of this year? Or something like that?
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Agreed
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And thanks ha
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Better late than never.
I thought he would be the pick with one of the 6th rounders.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
I like Ziemba
Started a lot of games at LT in the SEC. So you know he faced some quality competition.
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
We should get Burney/Saunders in UDFA
If they last that long
Aaand
Nnamdi
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
hopefuly we'll sign
Burney and Saunders in FA when all this lockout stuff gets fixed
by rscott94 on Apr 30, 2011 7:04 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Is Deunta Williams still available?
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I believe so
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is and his leg is healed that be a nice UDFA too
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
Not sure Zienba is athletic enough, but heck, it's a 7th round pick.
Probably won’t make the team anyway.
He had a 3rd round grade.
But again, I’m quoting Yahoo, so take it with a grain of salt
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Could end up as a nice backup for Otah when he gets hurt
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
He seems like he would be better suited taking on some big DT inside than a quick DE.
I officially declare this draft class: The Bojangles Collard Greens Dream Team!
Yeah...when, not if
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
I typed if then immediately changed it to when
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
ESPN had him as a 5th rounder
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow so much talent still available!
Hope we hit UDFA hard
And wasn't he playing guard in it too?
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking about Luck right now
Fack ESPN. Fack Kiper.
Go Panthers
by Smitty89 on Apr 30, 2011 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I like Foles but I agree Luck is as close to a sure thing at QB as I've seen in a long time
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
Neckbeard*
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
by KaiserBromley on Apr 30, 2011 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope someone drafts Herzlich.
Real feel good story.
by jojoisthemann on Apr 30, 2011 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely
Maturity is knowing you were an idiot in the past. Wisdom is knowing you will be an idiot in the future and common sense is knowing you should try not to be an idiot now. - J. Jacques
Checking out guys......................
Enjoyed drafting with you the last 3 days. Go Panthers! Cam, please prove me wrong! Adios.
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