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Cam Newton: Good Pick or Bad Pick?

I've been away and had little time to really engage much here at Cat Scratch Reader. I still follow along with the news and front page articles guys have posted now and then. I just haven't had time to get in and offer very many opinions this year. Just too much going on, not the least of which is that I opted not to renew my PSL this year. Doesn't mean I'm down on the Pathers or the change in coaching staff or anything. My life's just gone in some different directions and I'll be watching the games from home from now on.

 

Which brings me to some of the stuff I've been watching and hearing (whether on TV, sports talk radio, or various internet websites) about the Panthers' #1 pick this year. First, I think it's a really bad year to have the #1 pick. The labor union issues aside...as well as the on-again, off-again lockout...this is just a weird year filled with uncertainty. In addition, there aren't a lot of surefire prospects that you'd feel comfortable taking #1 overall. And, given all the needs the Panthers have (i.e., QB, DT, CB, WR1, WR2, RB, OL), you'd think there'd be somebody in this year's draft class they could pinpoint as a bonafide #1 pick. But I'm hard-pressed to find anyone I like enough spend that #1 pick on them.

 

That said, I keep hearing Cam Newton is the guy. And that's a very gray pick. Could be a bust. Could be an amazing future Hall of Famer. It all just depends. But there's enough "trusted sources" from so many, varied media outlets that it looks more and more like that's who Hurney, Rivera, and company are going to choose. With that in mind, I've been weighing the pro's and con's of having him as our QB and I've sort of distilled everything down to the following observations...which I've broken into two different mindsets: Why Cam Newton is a bad pick...and...why Cam Newton is a good pick. I'll get into the particulars of each viewpoint, after the break...

 



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Why Cam Newton Is A Bad Pick

I've got multiple issues with Cam Newton as a #1 overall pick. In order, they are:

 

1) Untrustworthy - The guy got caught cheating in college while attending Florida...not once, not twice, but three times! That speaks to character issue problems. Big time. Some have even described Cam as "disingenuous" in his interviews and how he comes across. If so, I could easily see Hurney and company buying into whatever Newton says about himself, when in fact, the reality comes out being very different...and that's because he's lied before. He's cheated before. And again, he's got character issues that would make it very hard to buy into what he's saying.

 

2) Selfish - The guy announced he wants to become an "icon." Now, you could interpret that in a good way and say it means he's going to be really self-discipline and motivated to become so good in his NFL career that he transcends the sport, much like Michael Jordan in basketball, Wayne Gretzky in hockey, etc. Or, you could interpret that in a bad way and see him as a kid who wants it all, both on and off the field...the stardom, the perks, the celebrity status...whatever. To me, those aren't always good things. And, when you have a kid like Cam Newton making a comment like that (which he attempted to clarify later...poorly, I believe), I think it shows his true colors. He's a selfish guy. I think he's in it for himself and whatever accolades he can achieve for himself. And I think that'll be hard to translate into proven, trustworty leadership at the NFL level. It sends up a red flag, regardless.

 

3) Not Very Smart - Aside from the mistakes he's off the field...and with his poorly worded commentary to the media about his aspirations/interests...I think the kid's not cerebral enough to go on and become a franchise QB. The athleticism is there. Certainly. But if he can't even get up on a whiteboard and diagram one of the "simple" plays from college, how are you reasonably going to expect him to wrap his head around the complexity of plays and concepts at the NFL level? This sends up another red flag for me. You hope he's teachable and can learn these aspects of the game. But, how long will it take him? In addition, if he didn't learn his lesson from cheating those three times at Florida such that he winds up at Auburn, what makes one think he's going to suddenly demonstrate the capability to learn the things he needs to learn at the NFL level, especially when he'll be surrounded with distractions as he pursues becoming an "icon"...?

 

4) Not Rated Very Highly By The Experts - So far as I know (or have heard), none of the football evaluation experts have Cam Newton at the top of their draft board. Many don't even have him in their Top 10. Some have him all the way down at #49, which means...not even in the first round. A lot of that has to do with the issues cited above. There's too much risk associated with him, despite the athleticism and potential. And, given that I'm NOT an NFL scout or talent evaluator, I'm inclined to listen more to the experts.

 

5) Not Very Accurate - From his showing at the combine, he didn't throw very well. Many of the experts cited him for his inaccuracy. Cam himself demonstrated he was disappointed with his performance. He did great in his 40-yard dash times, his broad jump, high jump, etc. But, when it came to the fundamentals of making the throws an NFL QB needs to make, he didn't come off any better than anyone else out there or anyone we already have on the roster. In fact, he underperformed many of them. So, again, this sends up a red flag for buyer beware. And, it causes talent evaluators to reconsider just how much "upside" Cam Newton really has. There's no denying he SHOULD have the physical tools to get it done. He just wasn't showcasing them in his workouts. Presumably, adjustments can be made. But again, how long will it take for those adjustments to have an effect on his performance?

 

6) QB Coaching - I believe the Panthers have a poor track record with QBs...both when it comes to evaluating their talent AND when it comes to coaching and developing them. Now, thankfully, we've got a different coaching staff this year. If John Fox still had his staff in Carolina, I'd completely be against the Cam Newton pick, because even if he had potential in him, I'd be disinclined to believe the Panthers (under Fox's leadership) could bring it out of him. So, the question is immediately on the table for Ron Rivera's staff, too. How capable is our coaching staff in developing Cam Newton into a franchise QB? We'd better have someone really good at it. I'm not yet convinced that we do. Time will tell, but for now, given our track record with washout QBs, this is still another concern the Panthers would do well to alleviate if they make Cam their man.

 

Why Cam Newton Is A Good Pick

1) Thoroughbred Athlete - There's no questioning what Cam can bring to the table in terms of athleticism. He's got power, speed, size, elusiveness, you-name-it...the physical tools are there. The same has been said of some QBs in the past who didn't pan out for various reasons, but Cam's natural gifts seem JUST a slight bit higher than most of the guys you might go back and compare him to...

 

2) Scrambling Capability - Given the amount of pressure that opposing defenses have managed to bring on our offense over the past couple of years, Cam will need to evade the pass-rush and create on the run. These are things he did very well at Auburn. Some say he has a Ben Roethlisberger-like ability to shrug off would be sack artists and tacklers, buying just that extra bit of time to create something out of nothing. We could use a quality like that on offense rather than watching QBs go down in a flurry of dust, curl up in the fetal position, or fling balls out of bounds 2 out of every 3 plays.

 

3) Running Capability - Cam is actually a viable threat in the running game. And, he has the size to hold up to some hits if he heads downfield. If Rivera and Chudzinski are smart, they could utilize a player like that to augment and enhance our offensive output. Even if he fakes a handoff to Stewart (or Deangelo if he stays), he's got the power and speed to run to the pylon and score his own touchdowns. That ability to put points on the board would go a LONG way in turning around the offensive woes of the Panthers.

 

4) Strong Arm - He can fling the ball really far. There's no danger of underthrowing people like we saw Delhomme do a lot in his later years. If he's got a receiving corps that can stretch the field, people have to respect his ability to make the big play with his arm. And, if opposing defenses honor that and send more guys back to cover the deep receivers, it gives Cam more operating room (provided he has blockers) to pull the ball down and run with it if no one's open. Even if he stays back and waits for a TE to come open underneath, this kind of threat in the passing game will do wonders to prevent defenses from stacking the box on our RBs. And, if they can't do that, prepare for more productive output (barring injuries) from Jonathan Stewart behind Fiammetta as a lead-blocker and Jeff Otah as pile driver on the right side.

 

5) Upside and Ceiling Potential - If anything, Cam has more potential than anyone else. He just has to realize it and work hard to reach it. Will his desire to become an "icon" and prove people wrong fuel him to do exactly that? Along with every other Panthers fan, I certainly hope so. But, to do that, he needs to minimize distractions. That might mean his off-field promotions and partying as his lifestyle undergoes a major transformation. And it also might mean distancing himself from his father's (seemingly at times) bad influence. It also means purposefully making himself coachable. He needs to listen and learn from Chudzinski and his QB coach. He needs to learn his playbook inside and out. The bottom line for me is Cam has a pretty tall mountain to climb where he needs to mature...both as a person in terms of his behavior and mentality, and as a student of the game.

 

6) Proven Winner - Success breeds success. Cam has excelled at every level in which he's performed athletically. He has a championship to prove it. It's hard to ignore that. And, if he can bring that kind of winning attitude and inspire those around him, he could indeed make for a viable, long-term franchise QB.

 

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Anyway, that's just my two cents on the matter. If we go with Cam Newton, we should all rally behind him until he gives us a reason to do otherwise. If we don't go with Cam Newton, maybe we wind up regretting it as he excels for some other team. Or, maybe we take a different player (or more, if we trade down and acquire additional picks) that pay dividends for us just as great. I don't know what will happen, but either way we go, Cam Newton is going to have an impact in the NFL, however brief or enduring it might be.

 

--Neil

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good input

I have to at least disect the positives, cause I dont see him panning out as a SB winner long term.
1) throughbread athlete: nfl is best of the best athlecticly, so he better be a fast horse, because on day when his athleticism is gone he will need to think how to avoid pass rush and secondary, not try to beat them athleticaly.
2) scrambling: maybe his best atribute, but if he isnt accurate from a stationary position he will be worse on the run, and if he cant read a defense hes screwed
3) running: also a decent talent, but I would not count on him running forever, not once his strike zone or shoulders have been hit hard over and over. he isnt one who will seek out impact. just happens to be big enough to take a few more hits than somebody thin, like matt ryan.
4) strong arm: not impressed if he isnt accurate, all pro quarterback have an above average strength in their arms, dosent turn them into SB winners. clausen pickle has a strong arm, nuff said.
5) upside: the saddest fact of every draft is picks based on upside, most dont pan out. you got to be pretty ready to succeed, and rivera only has so many years on his first contract here, so that upside is gonna be on his backside a lot in year 1.
6) proven winner: he won in college, no doubt, but college winner are 50-50 on translation to the pros, so depending on team success to speak FOR you doesnt always go far, you have to keep winning buy working harder then you ever imagined.

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by bobcatsbrendan on Apr 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Welcome back Neil!

Always good to have your insight here. I’ll admit I’m not comfortable at all with Newton being the pick. You can really break down all his positive traits by saying he’s a flashy layer. It’s easy to be taken in by his strong arm, tremendous athletic ability, and winning history. But those don’t guarantee he’ll be a successful QB, far from it. And his red flags are congruent with many other top QB prospects who busted. If we have to take a QB, I’d much rather go with Gabbert, who possesses both the physical and mental tools without the character flaws that plague Newton. But regardless of who the pick is, I’ll be 100% behind them once they put on the uniform.

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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2011 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed, FW...

…I actually think Newton isn’t the best pick for the Panthers. I think his downside outweighs his upside and I’m unconvinced (so far) that the new coaching staff will be able to develop him so he can excel at the NFL level.

In addition, I actually DON’T think the Panthers should select a QB this year. I think they should use Rivera’s keen defensive mind and add major components on that side of the ball…either by selecting Peterson in the 1st round and then shoring up DT in the 3rd round…or, by selecting Dareus and then enhancing the rest of the D-line in the 3rd with another DT and a DE. From that point, you plan on taking a QB next year (when there’s a LOT more viable options with franchise potential). And, consequently, you play out this year as a defensive powerhouse, only you implement Rivera’s defense rather than the one Fox leaned on during his tenure.

If you imagine that scenario to its logical conclusion, a team built around that concept (in this year’s draft), would play the upcoming season more like the Chicago Bears. Strong on defense. Not quite enough on offense. Given our brutal schedule this year (and the highly competitive NFC South), we’ll probably take our lumps and have a down year again…i.e., unlikely to make the playoffs or maybe even a .500 record. All that means is you get a lot of on-the-job training for the defensive guys you pick this year. And, you target upgrading the offense next year…only with a lot more bullets in the gun vs. a lot of the duds in this year’s draft.

I believe this approach is plausible, because again, this is Rivera’s first year. He’ll have a longer rope as he redesigns this team according to his philosophy. Fan expectations will also be a little lower…even if just subconsciously…because they know this is a major rebuilding year with a new coaching staff. Many of them are desperate to see the offense improved, but that’s not going to happen overnight, even if you draft a rookie QB. And let me stress that…a ROOKIE QB…i.e., someone you DON’T expect to excel right away. See Tom Brady and Peyton Manning…both of whom took their lumps or rode the pine in their early going.

So, my main point here is that expectations need to be reset for the Panther faithful going into this year. And, for those who really want an overhaul of the offense, I’d suggest that you take a look down the road (just one year into the future) at the prospects on offense that will be available THEN…and don’t get blinded by desperation to find someone in what amounts to a mediocre draft this year in terms of good players on offense.

But, as always, that’s just my two cents,
—Neil

by NSpicer on Apr 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya.

I think Gabbert could be a good QB, but it’s far from a sure thing, and he does need development. I love next years QB’s as well. Aside from the obvious top two in Luck and Matt Barkley, you have Lance Jones who looks really good taking over for Sam Bradford. Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles are two guys who look to have the tools as well. Terrelle Pryor is another intriguing option, although I wouldn’t necessarily want him on my team. And the OL and WR class look to be far better, with conceivably Justin Blackmon, Michael Floyd, Ryan Broyles, etc, coming out. I really hope Hurney takes JR’s advice of looking ahead to heart and doesn’t try for a quick offensive fix this year. There really isn’t much top notch offensive talent once you get past Green, Jones, and Ingram. There’s some solid line prospects in Pouncey, Carimi, and Solder, but that’s it. I’d really be fine with building a nasty defense and taking some guys to develop on offense while we get used to the new coaching staff and establish what system we’re going to run. And you never know, Clausen could make a leap similar to his sophomore year in college, Pike could be a diamond in the rough, or Shula could turn Moore’s career around like he did Jay Fiedler. We may not be in as dire straits as the media paints us to be.

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by Flowing Willow on Apr 28, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good read, good points...

Saints fan (not here to troll just curious what y’all think) and I think this is too much of a risk with all things considered. I will say Cam has all the tools though: great athlete of course, delivery looks good and he throws the ball well and can throw with touch. I don’t know much about Rivera, but I have heard he will run it a lot and if that is the case, Cam will have time to progress kind of like Steve Mcnair did when Eddie got all those carries or Sanchez has with the Jets—he will have to learn to stay in the pocket and read defenses as soon as possible like every qb which will most probably take some time—running qb’s even big ones like him will not last long without getting injured. High risk, high reward pick which would make me nervous with the first pick when you have Dareus, Peterson, or AJ out there.

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by mjtig on Apr 28, 2011 5:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Time to start backing the Camthers, like it or not

Like it or not, Cam is in. And just like any other leader, like it or not it is time to stand behind our team. Camthers: Like it, Love it, Its just the way it is

by CAMTHERFAN on Apr 29, 2011 12:58 AM EDT reply actions  

I like what Rivera kept saying

Something to the extent of Cam is going to be a peice of what we try to achieve as a team, but it’s going to take an entire effort by the team to turn things around. Cam is a part of that, but he is not expected to do it single-handly.

Also, calling them the “Camthers” is stupid. Its a team game. He is going to have to earn the respect of his teammates, connect with his receivers, and get the best out of his o-line and running backs if he is going to get the offense going. He won’t do it alone.

by MikeyG101 on Apr 29, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Without Rivera in the mix, I think it would be a very questionable pick.

Regardless of what character issues may linger out there with Cam, he has a head coach in Rivera who will not take any shit. Rivera grew up in a military family, is very well disciplined and quite frankly, I’d hate to see what Rivera looks like when he’s fuming mad!

IF Cam needs to be groomed as a person or needs a jolt of reality, Rivera is the man that can do it. All in all, I’m pretty stoked!

"Resistance is NOT futile... It's voltage divided by current." -Me

by SwankTheTank on Apr 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

yep, BAMF will regulate

I think Cam may not be in the best possible spot with regards to time needed for development, but it’d be hard to find a better set of coaches and an owner for him to be with. Both Rivera and Richardson, being father-like figures who exude this aura that commands respect, are the perfect people to be under for an impressionable young man who has made mistteps in the past. I can easily see him ending up in a similar relationship with Richardson like Smith ended up.

by ppalm on Apr 29, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jamarcus Leaf

I hope I’m wrong but I think we just picked Jamarcus Leaf. Maybe we can make up for it. Call the Patriots and see if they’ll take Armenti and Clausen and give us our 2nd round pick back.

by catamountkid on Apr 29, 2011 4:46 PM EDT reply actions  

No no no...

Hahaha! Wow, here I am defending a guy I used to attack 3 months ago…

Ryan Leaf had character issues, an “I am God” attitude, was a social disaster and a developing alcohol/drug problem. Cam isn’t as bad off as Leaf was. Cam is a more gifted athlete. Leaf and Cam both had/have great potential. Cam will be better.

Jamarcus Russell seemed like a quiet guy, was slow as all hell, had a big arm, but was drafted by an organization that commonly never knows how to use the talent of a player. Russell was nothing near the athlete Cam is. Cam has more potential than Russell ever did and will be a better player.

And the fact we have no 2nd round pick pisses me off. I’m sick of all the years of trades. Maybe in 2012, we will have ALL the pick we are suppose to!

"Resistance is NOT futile... It's voltage divided by current." -Me

by SwankTheTank on Apr 29, 2011 6:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I still love what Jim Harbaugh said about him...

“That’s plutonium-grade raw material, you know?‘’ said Harbaugh. "I haven’t seen upside like with this guy in probably the last 10 years." It’s perfect! If our coaching staff can harness the raw power and talent of this kid the possibilities are endless!! On the flip side, if not, then it will blow up in our faces. If we picked him last year with our old staff (which we never would have) I doubt that I would be this excited. But I have faith in our new staff and Mr. Newtonium – Cam Newton. Can’t wait for his opportunity to prove all the nay-sayers wrong! Go Panthers!!

by Newtonium on May 8, 2011 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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