SBN 2011 Mock Draft Selection Pick #1 is Now Up With a Look Back
If you haven't seen it already I've made my official pick for the SBN mock draft which you can go review here. I think it goes without saying the majority of you will not agree with the pick. I went with QB Blaine Gabbert. I admit he's not the best prospect in the draft but I think he's the best QB prospect and that includes Newton. But I'm not trying to restart that argument here. Feel free to go to MTD for that...and flame on!
What I will do though is take a trip back in time to see how I did in previous drafts...no matter how ugly. You can see for yourself why I will never get paid to scout football talent! I might have a few choice comments from other members that harden back to each draft as well. Who's knows, we might just learn something and if not, well we just got 10 minutes closer to April 6th. So here we go, from the 2010 draft with what ended up being the pick in which the Panthers selected QB Jimmy Clausen.
2010 SBN Mock Draft - Panthers Pick at #48 is...WR Marty Gilyard
The other WRs still on the board were most notably A Benn and our own Brandon LaFell. Dan with MTD thought I should have went with Benn. I'm sure we can agree one season does not a rookie WR make, but here's their first year results:
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Name |
Draft Pick # |
Team |
Games |
Rec |
Yards |
Yds/Rec |
TDs |
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Marty Gilyard |
99 |
St. Louis |
11 |
6 |
63 |
10.5 |
0 |
|
39 |
Tampa Bay |
15 |
25 |
395 |
15.8 |
2 |
|
|
Brandon LaFell |
78 |
Carolina |
14 |
38 |
468 |
12.3 |
1 |
|
77 |
Tennessee |
16 |
16 |
219 |
13.7 |
0 |
So I would have to say Dan was right since Benn was drafted much earlier than #48 and had a pretty good year. Most of the comments were actually positive for the pick in spite of Benn being consistently rated above Gilyard. Since our own LaFell outperformed him coming from a much lower pick I'm okay with being wrong on this one! It's just one year so Gilyard could eventually take off but right its not looking too good compared to the players I left on the board.
Overall pick value to date: Poor!
More ugliness from my drafting selections...after the jump...
2009
Moving back to 2009, the Panthers again have our first selection in the 2nd round at #59. This time I went defensive line and selected DT Jarron Gilbert. Not too bad right? Except that QB Josh Freeman was still on the board:
Jaxon: With the big QB Josh Freeman still on the board I’m sure my pick will not impress a certain very vocal section of my readers. Freeman leads the poll on my site seeking opinions on who to pick in this scenario. Yet I agree with John Fox; one bad, make that one terrible game by Jake Delhomme doesn’t negate all the big victories he has piloted for this franchise. I also think Delhomme represents the best chance for the Panthers to win in 2009 so I just cannot see spending our highest pick on a player who won’t see the field for at least one or two seasons. Also, though I love his size and athleticism, I’m not sold on Freeman being a can’t-miss prospect as his accuracy issues concern me.
It causes me physical pain to read that passage. As we all know Freeman never made it out of the first round and looks to be the Bucs QB for next several years. Delhomme in turn never got over that one terrible game. So how has Gilbert done in his two years since being selected by the Bears at #68? They cut him last training camp and he landed with the Jets. Here's his two-year stat line:
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Player |
Games |
Tackles |
Sacks |
QH |
FF |
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Jarron Gilbert |
5 |
2 |
0 |
0 |
0 |
Now that's pretty poor. Reading the comments though most people thought it was a good pick though I think Dan would have preferred Freeman. Looking back I would have too. Maybe Gilbert just wasn't a fit as a 4-3 DT and will instead flourish in the Jets 3-4. If that should happen you can bet I'll be talking about it!
2008
Moving on to 2008, the last time the Panthers had a first round pick until 2011. I finally get to talk about a good pick that I made. You might recall that the Panthers picked at #13 and I was quite amazed to see OT Ryan Clady still there.
Jaxon: The Panthers need to add quality depth from this draft at several positions, most notably RB, DT, FB and S. Yet more important is plugging the glaring hole in the starting offensive line at one of the tackle positions. It was leaked prior to T Travelle Wharton signing his new contract that the Panthers are planning on moving him to left guard, hence the release of Mike Wahle. Since Jordan Gross has experience playing both positions and given the fact he is getting paid left tackle money he may get moved to the left side. I think in the end the Panthers will prefer to get a prototypical left tackle and leave Gross where he is comfortable.
I find Matt Miller's response to my pick amusing in light of what transpired. As we all know most of what I predicted came true (except the picking Clady part) but instead the Panthers traded away their future #1 pick to draft RT Jeff Otah.
Matt Miller: This pick didn't make much sense to me until I read the GM's write-up. I do like the idea of moving Wharton to LG and giving them potentially 4 Pro Bowlers on the OL (Clady, Wharton, Kalil and Gross). My only beef is that the Panthers have so many real needs without moving people around. There's a need at defensive end, defensive tackle and running back. There are two franchise backs on the board, and a host of good defensive ends. The pick is creative, but almost too creative. Sometimes picking the best player, especially one who can fill a need, is the route to go.
One of those franchise RBs was the Panthers eventual selection in this spot RB Jonathan Stewart. Clady by the way went #12 overall to the Broncos right in front of the Panthers. Miller's top 5 players on the board at the time was CB Mike Jenkins, RB Mendenhall, RB Stewart, WR Sweed & ... LB Dan Conner!
Just imagine if we our offensive line was Clady, Wharton, Kalil, Schwartz & Gross! Now that is some beef my feline-loving friend! Oh curse the Broncos! Of course nothing says the Panthers would have taken Clady over Stewart. Looking at the comments I remembered I just couldn't not comment after reading Miller's response:
Jaxon comment: In the previous post for the Broncos pick of Derrick Harvey, this was your Top 5 remaining players: [blockquote]Matt Miller's Top Five Prospects Remaining - 1. OT Ryan Clady, 2. CB Mike Jenkins, 3. RB Rashard Mendenhall, 4. RB Jonathan Stewart, 5. WR Limas Sweed [blockquote]
Here's the link: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/story/2008/4/4/94343/18054
I think I made a pretty good case for taking a tackle and Clady is the best player available at any position. Seems like a no-brainer to me.
Travelle Wharton gave up 9 sacks last season at LT including the one by John Abraham that knocked Jake out for the season. The Panthers also wanted C Justin Hartwig to switch positions to RG but he declined, so they cut him. Wharton has experience at LG so it makes sense.
My readership on the other hand is sure to give me crap because I've been arguing to take Chris Williams over Clady. The truth is when I got 'on the clock' I decided I trusted the opinions of all the guru's over my own. Clady is unanimously ranked the #2 tackle in the draft whereas Williams is ranked third or even fourth behind Jeff Otah. Clady has long arms, is strong and has quick feet.
The Panthers have needs at other positions but those needs are for depth. The Panthers need a starting tackle for the first play of the season. Just my opinion....:)
I still feel pretty confident the Clady pick was solid.
2007
Continuing our journey back in time, it's time for 2007. You might recall we were in a big need of safeties at the time and their were four good ones in this draft. I selected S Reggie Nelson with the 14th pick in the draft.
I know a lot of mock drafts have the Panthers taking a TE or WR but I think Nelson is too good to pass up at position the Panthers have a big need. In 2006/2007 the Panthers struggled at the FS position and eventually moved Minter from SS to FS. This pick will allow Mike Minter to move back to SS (or even move him to the bench). Nate Salley, last years 3rd rounder will continue to back-up the position. This gives the Panthers more flexibility in dealing with Shaun Williams, who just may be released.
Nelson ended up being selected #21 overall by the Jaguars. After three season with the Jags he went to the Bengals in 2010 where he continues to be a starter. He has 9 INTs and 27 PDs in 4 seasons.
The Panthers instead traded the #14 pick to the Jets that ended up being CB Darrell Revis. The Panthers later selected LB Jon Beason at #25. So it was a good draft for the Panthers, not so good for me. Though Nelson has been an average pro he would not have been worth the #14. The Panthers more than adequately filled the safety position the next season in the 3rd round with Charles Godfrey.
So here's my four year results:
2010: Poor
2009: Even Worse
2008: On the money!
2007: Poor
So if QB Blaine Gabbert ends up being a bust one year from now I might just have to give up my CSR drafting privileges to someone else. 20% just won't cut it.
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Its ok.
At least it isn’t like my bracket.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 28, 2011 10:33 PM EDT reply actions
I loved Arrelious Benn last year... I was screaming his name long and loud
That being said, I understand the pick in a lot of ways. Benn was more a project, Gilyard looked more pro-ready.
2009…. I can’t really defend that one Jaxon, but honestly Jarron Gilbert had every fan and mocker spellbound before the draft with a ridiculously good season coupled with an amazing combine and the cherry on the job which was the ‘jump oit of the pool’ video.
I just looked up Gilbert’s combine… it really was insane:
4.76 in the forty, 1.67 in the 10 yard slit, 37" vert, 10’7" broad jump, 28 bench press, 29 wonderlic.
Couple those with 9.5 sacks his last year and a steady increase each year? Seemed like he made sense.
Wait… did I just justify the pick?
2008 you did great. I still believe the Panthers’ plan was to take Clady #13 overall but he went a pick early, I think they would have traded back into the 1st round for Stewart rather than Otah, but they wanted them both.
2007 Nelson made sense… he just never really panned out.
I wanted Linval Joesph last year.
Grumble, grumble.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 28, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he really turned it on for the Green Bay game.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 28, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of ECU athletes.
How much do you follow their recruiting?
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Mar 29, 2011 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
As much as I can.
Why?
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 29, 2011 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They just got a verbal commit from an athlete named Quataye Smyre.
Goes to my school.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Mar 30, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You can never have enough DB's in the C-USA.
Good, Good.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 31, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Nevermind.
Ruffin promised him he would be a WR.
Link.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 31, 2011 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He can play DB
and do a heck of a job at it. But he is simply electrifying at WR. We went undefeated this season and he was a big reason why. Sparked us to several victories. You’re getting a good one I can promise you that.
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"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Mar 31, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilbert's combine
He posted a 4.76 at his Pro Day. At the combine he ran a 4.87. Amazing physical specimen but he dominated against lesser competition at San Jose State. I also agree with Jaxon – at 6’5" 290 he is more of a 3-4 guy at the next level.
Everybody won't agree, but Gabbert was the most logical choice
Struggling franchise with a hole at QB, a new head coach, and the first overall pick… That is just screaming QB. If they go out on a limb and take a Peterson or Green, then I’d say you’d still be highly justified in thinking it would be Gabbert.
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by southtunnel on Mar 28, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
QB or another position
If we choose QB and that person doesn’t start on day one, it would be acceptable. But if choose another player, that player would be expected to start on day one. Not only that, but if that person, say Peterson for example, plays well, but we still suck at QB, then the pick will be criticized until we do get a QB.
by usana_gaines on Mar 29, 2011 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Do not envy marty hurney's job...
damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t!
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
I couldn't agree more
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The Gabbert pick is who I think the Panthers will take...not who I want
It would be easier to pass on a QB at #1 if we had a second round pick but with that not being an option I see the Panthers going QB.
I take Gabbert over Newton because Gabbert just seems more of a Rivera kind of guy…as I said
"a Rivera kind of guy"
Leads well into this… Pro Football Weekly just ripped Cam Newton a new orifice in their draft preview. On Cam’s character:
“Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup. Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room…Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.”
Granted, it’s just one outlet but PFW’s draft preview has been regarded as one of the foremost authorities on player scouting. Has been for years.
by James Dator on Mar 28, 2011 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
If that’s true, I don’t think we’ll be drafting him.
Is Cam kool-aid flammable? If so, I'll take some. I need an accelerant to light myself on fire.
He does have a fake smile
Hopefully Hurney and JR can see that he is phony. His BS smile reminds me so much of Tiki Barber. Guys that are in love with themselves aren’t exactly great teammates.
I think everyone at Auburn disagree's about Cam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u_IE3gTIac&NR=1
Something to consider with Gabbert
2010- 301/475 3186yds 63.4% 6.71yds/attempt 16td 9int 23sacks 127.03
Another Missour tiger you know what round he went in?
2008- 385/ 528 4,335yds 72.9% 8.21yds/attempt 39td 18int 14sacks 159.44
The 2008 Tiger is Chase Daniel. He was undrafted.
by jai6y6 on Mar 29, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Everybody’s responded to the Chase Daniel thing over and over again. Come up with something else.
by SlayerGhaleon on Mar 29, 2011 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't realize this
Wowzer… So prototypical size trumps production. How about that.
Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?
No need man these people have some series hater blockers on when it comes to Gabbert
No matter how much evidence, stats, Game film, ect you present to an arguement, Gabbert supporters will deem it repetitive and not signaficant. Obviously Prototypical size and having better mechanics than Cam Newton justifies him being a first pick for whatever reason.
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
Bear in mind
This was written by Nolan Nawrocki. He’s definitely one of the better draftniks out there but he also released that mock draft recently where he has Green going #1, Locker going to the Dolphins at #15 and so on.
Nolan Nawrocki also had a similar description of Jimmy Clausen last year and had him rated #12 overall. Take that for what it’s worth. Here are some recent PFW QB ratings:
Sam Bradford 7.25
Matt Ryan 7.00
Jimmy Clausen 6.40
Blaine Gabbert 7.35
I could not find a rating for Cam Newton. As I have said before, guys like Nawrocki are very good but always keep that grain of salt handy. I still think Cam Newton is favorite out of the QBs.
Good stuff for sure
Wasn’t aware it was the same guy as that terrible mock… regardless though, talent evaluation and personality evaluation I don’t really lump together.
I hope he’s wrong… but if he’s right and teams are getting the same sense then we’ll have no chance to trade down from #1 unless Arizona really move on Gabbert.
James,
if true, very scary. I hope Gabbert is the pick.
by SerbianPanther on Mar 29, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I rode the Newton wagon for a while but the more I hear about both Newton and Blaine the more I lean towards Gabbart. My biggest concern on him was his shirt yard per attempt but in a recent article one of you guys out up I read Matt Ryan’s YPA was 6.7 his junior and senior year and things seem to he working out for him. If Aaron Rodgers is truly his ceiling it’s hard to pass him up. I’d personally rather male an aggressive attempt at Kolb and draft green. Smitty, Green, Lafell, Shockey, Kolb. Sound good?
I disagree with you that Marty Gilyard would have been a poor pick.
In our depth chart, he would have been a numba 2 guy, meaning lots more playing time and more catches.
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by ticketholdrsins96 on Mar 28, 2011 11:46 PM EDT reply actions
Its not like there were many guys ahead of him in St Louis coming into camp.
He just got outperformed in practice the whole year, therefore he didn’t get played.
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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 29, 2011 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I was also basing it on the fact Rams fans are salivating on Julio Jones...
if Gilyard was the next big thing I don’t think they would all be so aligned on getting a WR in this draft.
I would've picked Dareus or Quinn
I don’t agree with the Gabbert supporters. I don’t see what so many others are seeing. I believe him to be average.
average.
Still better than this guy.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Mar 29, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely neither
how have you not learned why we do not need Quinn and we can snag a DT in the 3rd
GSO
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
Picked Hardy and Gettis.... our 2 stars in this draft.
My only good picks were Hardy and Gettis…….
48. Jason Worilds OLB – (52nd pick – Pittsburgh) LB Jason Worilds was among the best special teamers on the squad. Converted from college defensive end and looks like a future starter but behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley. Still plenty of time to excel.
78. Taylor Price WR – (pick 90 – New England) WR Taylor Price spent the entire season inactive until playing in the regular-season finale against Miami.
112 GREG HARDY, DE – (Pick 175 – Panthers) DE Greg Hardy has star potential if he keeps his head on straight. He could get a chance to start in 2011..
175. AJ Edds OLB – (pick 119 – Miami) tore up his knee during the first week of training camp and spent the year on injured reserve. He could win third-down coverage role in 2011.
202. Ben Burney CB (FA Browns) – DB Benjamin Burney was waived by the Browns.
204. Mike Kafka QB – (pick 122 – Philly) QB Mike Kafka spent the year as the team’s No. 3 QB. He’s smart, but has a below-average arm.
223. DAVID GETTIS, WR (pick 204 – Panthers) – WR David Gettis started over Brandon LaFell at receiver and finished second on the team in receiving yards with 508 and had a team-high three receiving touchdowns.
249. Jason Fox OT (pick 128 – Lions) – OT Jason Fox is a developmental tackle that was slowed by lingering knee pain. He got some work at guard, but he projects to be a left tackle.
The jury is still out on those
You may end up with a few more starters on that list. Having watched Worilds play, I would say he is a guaranteed future starter at OLB when the Steelers part ways with Harrison.
Wow Schlereth just spoke on NFL Live about which team would be the best fit for Cam Newton
and said that the Panthers should pick Cam. And proceeded to speak solely about Rivera’s past and how he has won with defense and running the ball and how he needs a “face of the franchise”. Said we purged our roster last year and that we would implement Cam but never really answered the question at all haha. Ridiculous
GSO
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
So he said Cam was a fit but never explained why?
Why don’t people call out these pundits who talk like they know what they are saying but then never answer a question straight up?
Maybe that was his explanation
Rivera needs “a face of the franchise”. So Cam Newton is a good fit. We could infer that Cam Newton has a good face, as per Schlereth.
Should have given an alternate pick BTW Jaxon, (obviously) PP7. I
Know that many like Blaine, but there were also good reasons for PP7
GSO
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
The Bills took PP7
And the pick was very well recieved. I was curious about that. Being how so many have the Bills taking a QB (like us). Whoever drafts PP7 is going to be a happy camper.
The last mock I read on MTD has PP7 going to the Browns. That would be sick.
Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?
I guess we should no longer value your opinion
Just kidding, it’s hard to determine who is going to be good in the pros.
Exactly
If any of us were actually any good at it, we’d be working for an NFL team. That’s why I’ve given up on the draft pick prognosticating and have decided to be happy with whoever Hurney picks.
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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 29, 2011 3:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Nice article, Jaxon.............................................................
Nice to see you highlight how hard it is to predict who gets picked and then how they actually perform in the League.
I really put a lot of time on the draft and it’s extremely rare for the Panthers to pick anyone I predict. I was actually surprised last year that I selected LaFell (I had Benn gone by then) and so did the Panthers. It’s still a blast to play GM and enjoy the process. I’m still hoping we trade #1 and pick up a good player a little lower and pick up another pick or two. If we do take #1, I lean toward PP7 as the safest pick.
The Panthers have to be one of the hardest teams to mock
Even for us, and we know the team better than 95% of people in America.
I bet we got more picks right last year than any draft expert out there.
Ok... What piece do we have a chance to add here? Manning, Brady, Brees? Revis, Asomugha, Bailey? Ngata, Jenkins, Wilfork?
Hey you're better at it than Mel Kiper
And he does get paid!!! The only thing you can do while mocking is to make the most of the limited knowledge you have. Unless your in the war room with the Panthers, you can’t be 100 percent sure who to take.
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