Gabbert Pro Day Round-up & Video
I searched around for as many reviews of Blaine Gabbert's Pro Day performance as I could find. I do think if Ron Rivera decides to roll the dice on a QB it will be Gabbert. For those that are totally against this notion I'll lead off with one link for you, in case you missed it in Rick's piece yesterday.
RED FLAG – Performance against best opponents
Gabbert had 9 games against opponents with a winning record in 2011 that we analyzed for his comparison ratings, but there were 3 specific games within those 9 key games that really stood out for me. A game at home vs. Oklahoma (12-2), followed by an away game with Nebraska (10-4), and finally a Bowl Game vs. Iowa (8-5). Three top-level opponents, facing more pro-talent level defensive players, and battling against more elite coaching staffs as well.
Notice they analyzed 9 games but decided to single out three of them for highlight. Also, the makers of this formula admit it is yet to be proven:
Blaine Gabbert is going to be a great first test of the rating system we have developed for projecting college QB success to the NFL. Everyone is in love with Gabbert now, because Kiper and McShay are...but we are looking to go on record as Blaine Gabbert is going to be a bust at this point (waiting for NFL Combine data to make official). Don't be shocked to see Gabbert fade down the draft charts as smarter teams/researchers vet this out, maybe a draft fade a la Jimmy Clausen or Brady Quinn -- both started high on early NFL Draft Boards in Jan/Feb...and you know the rest.
Since he scored a 31 on the Wonderlic does that improve the 55% chance of bust (or is it success?) I'm not sure.
On to the more positive reviews of Gabbert from his Pro Day:
Missouri QB Gabbert impressive before packed house at Pro Day - NFL - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com
The idea that Gabbert had good but not great arm strength was an assessment that Terry Shea, a former NFL quarterback coach who tutored Gabbert for the past 10 weeks in Arizona, said was off base. "Boy, I would never have walked away from that workout thinking that," Shea said. "His ball just whistles, so I don't know where that came from." Shea said he was most impressed with Gabbert's ability to throw while out of the pocket. "On the move, he made some of his best throws," Shea gushed. "He really did. From that standpoint, that's what you try to create in a drill like this, because when you just drop back and there's no pass rush, it's a little cleaner to set your feet and throw. "From that standpoint, it was A-plus."
Looks like he dispelled the arm strength argument. One of his proponents still is not sure of him:
Update:
Here's one I missed that I thought added something. He begins by dissing on his footwork but then has this to say:
2011 NFL Draft: Blaine Gabbert Pro Day Recap and Review
Gabbert definitely had some areas where he looked really good though. First and most obvious is that you will never have any questions about Gabbert’s arm strength. Also, he has always had good straight-line speed, but that speed was often negated by slow acceleration. Gabbert displayed an improved speed on his rollouts, which suggests he will have an easier time taking off with the ball than he did in college, where he was often brought down before hitting full speed. If he can continue to accelerate well, he could be a Tim Tebow-type runner from the backfield when necessary. However, the Tebow comparisons end there. Gabbert is much more accurate than Tebow was, and throws the ball with a better spiral.
Saying he throws better than Tebow isn't much of a compliment.
Kiper: Newton, Gabbert bad values early - AFC East Blog - ESPN
"I'm not as high on those two as I think teams in the league are," Kiper said. "I think there's a wide range of opinion on players, but in terms of the two quarterbacks, a lot of opinions all over the place. "I think both have a lot of potential and a lot of intrigue. But there are concerns with both Gabbert and Newton."
I think its safe to say every player at the top of this draft has question marks.
Draft 2011: The Quarterbacks - NFL Draft Preview - Rotoworld.com
Outlook: Unlike Newton, Gabbert did not dominate in college. And Gabbert was far less dominant against far weaker competition. However, more skilled college-to-pro talent evaluators than exist at Rotoworld believe Gabbert projects as a just as good, if not better pro than Newton. We'll defer to them while keeping in mind that something doesn't quite add up logistically here.
Here's something I was surprised to hear:
Blaine Gabbert - College Player - 2011 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com
According to the National Football Post, a number of NFL coaches have been put off by the way Missouri QB Blaine Gabbert has conducted himself this offseason. Based on the information he's gathered, writer Wes Bunting believes Gabbert could slide "a lot further than many think come April." Gabbert didn't endear himself to anyone by skipping throwing drills at the NFL Combine, but the reports were almost universally positive coming out of his Pro Day. At this moment, it's hard to believe he won't be a top-10 pick next month.
Put off by not throwing at the combine? It was well known he wouldn't being a Condon client. Personally I think it was a prudent move on his part. Here's comes the Drew Bledsoe comparison:
Gabbert throws unofficial 44-of-49 at Pro Day - Rotoworld.com
Mizzou QB Blaine Gabbert unofficially completed 44-of-49 passes at the Tigers' Pro Day Thursday. Mizzou beat writer Dave Matter attributes "at least three" of the incompletions to drops on catchable balls. Gabbert's Pro Day was not fully televised, but the early returns suggest plenty of arm strength, nice footwork, and a more natural throwing motion than Cam Newton. ESPN 101 St. Louis' Tony Softli, a former NFL exec, is now calling Gabbert a "more athletic Drew Bledsoe" while SI.com's Don Banks suggests the performance will "give Carolina something to think about" at No. 1 overall. Gabbert also scored a solid 31 on the Wonderlic exam.
If you listen to Gil Brandt listen to this:
Gabbert's Pro Day 'much better' than Newton's - Rotoworld.com
NFL.com's Gil Brandt labeled Blaine Gabbert's Pro Day workout "outstanding" and "much better" than Cam Newton's. Brandt's opinion is noteworthy because he had been one of the Heisman winner's leading supporters, advocating for the Panthers to jump all over Newton with the first pick. "I'm not so sure now," says Brandt. "Gabbert couldn't have done better had he borrowed Drew Brees' right arm. All the questions about his accuracy should start to go away after his workout in front of approximately 125 scouts, coaches and GMs." SI.com's Tony Pauline also believes Gabbert should be ranked ahead of Newton at this point.
It looks like Missouri might be a QB breeding ground!
Bernie Bits: Pinkel's players are making mark in NFL
Two of Pinkel's quarterbacks, Brad Smith (fourth round) and Chase Daniel (undrafted), are in the NFL, as is wide receiver Danario Alexander (undrafted.) Gabbert's quick rise to becoming a first-round pick should help Pinkel recruit some elite QBs. After all, when Gabbert enters the league Missouri will have put its last three starting QBs into the NFL. (Brad Smith is a valuable all-purpose asset for the New York Jets; he plays wide receiver, quarterback and running back in the wildcat formation, and is an excellent kickoff returner. Daniel is the No. 2 QB behind Drew Brees at New Orleans.)
Here's some video from his Pro Day. The first has more material and shows a variety of throws.
This second is clearer video and has some familiar faces in it.
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Ryan Mallett is the BPA and the best position (QB) and I still think he has a shot at being number 1. I just dont see the numbers for Blaine even being considered for the number 1 pick. Here lets look at overall production and numbers of some QBs starting with Blaine.
Heres a link; http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=381364 Last season Blaine had 16 TDs and 9 interceptions, 3,186 yards, 6.71 YPA and a completion rate of 63%.
Next up Cam Newton; heres the link. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232016. They are as follows; 30 TDs, 7 interceptions, 2,854 yards, YPA 10.19 and a completion rate of 66%.
Last but not least here is Ryan Mallett; http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=232007. a staggering 3,869 yards last season, 32 TDs, 12 interceptions, YPA 9.4, and a completion rate of 64.7% plus the added advantage of playing in a pro style offense for 2 years straight.
If you ask me this draft is about Cam vs Ryan Mallett. Both are much more superior then Blaine. I honestly dont even know how or why Blaine is being so hyped as a 1st overall pick.
Ehh
Mallett is nowhere near being BPA for the draft, or even for the quarterbacks; in fact, he’s already starting a Jimmy Clausen-esque slide down the draft chart projections, in no small part due to a perceived immaturity and an inability to handle the drug use rumors. My guess is that Mallett won’t go before mid-2nd round, and I’m betting it might even be later than that (so Ponder, Dalton, Stanzi and Kaepernick may possibly go before Mallett at the rate he’s sliding). He can’t handle the media, he hasn’t been able to handle a college blitz from all indications — he may have a cannon for an arm, but I think statues will be able to move around the pocket more than Mallett can — if he can’t handle defensive pressure in college football, he won’t be able to do it in the NFL.
Newton is more up there, but the concerns I have right now is the fact that those stats are for one year… and only one year to look at, since he only had a pittance of throws in two seasons behind Tebow. The character concerns have been browbeat to death, so I won’t go into that (and even those aren’t being brought up so much anymore). He has made efforts, but I’m seeing him as a one-year wonder, and that’s something to worry about.
Mind you, Gabbert isn’t exactly coming up smelling like roses. He’s only got two years as a starter, and his offensive weapons weren’t nearly as top-notch as his first year starting at Mizzou. Only one WR and the TE to try and count on — that’s worrisome. The crap about his not throwing at the Combine, I don’t think is hurting him nearly as badly as that article above suggested. And 44-49 with three catchable drops is pretty solid, given that he had Division II WRs only to try and throw to, and none of them people he’s worked with before.
I’m not going to pretend that I know which QB will be the first to be nabbed when the Draft begins, but right now my gut says Newton and Gabbert are the top two. But then, there’s still most of 6 weeks until the draft, so all we can do is hang on for the ride.
yea
I personally want Cam number 1 but im just lowering my expectations that we will actually draft him so im not disappointed on draft day. Bottom line is we have GOT to address the QB position first and foremost.
I dont see Rivera starting Clausen since Rivera being the new head coach and the new coaching staff have no ties to him whatsoever and also the reports several months back of Steve Smith hating him and Clausen not a locker room leader.
I think with the lockout we will have no choice but to draft a QB since we cant aquire or trade for QBs. and besides that, the panthers got burned the last couple times trading out of their draft picks i highly doubt they are going to trade out of a super rare 1st overall pick this year.
Blaine’s overall production numbers just dont impress me that much and im more impressed with Cam. Then again looking at college stats Blaine’s and Stafford’s numbers are very similiar and Stafford was picked number 1.
by PantherTrain on Mar 21, 2011 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the video.
I must say, he did make it look easy. Maybe I just don’t get these pro-days though. It seems coaches and scouts couldn’t really get that much more info on a prospect than they had from his college game tape. I don’t see the reason for all the hype and hyperbole that gets written after these workouts.
Eh
Nothing special. I don’t think that he has that strong of an arm. Seemed to be putting a lot of air under some of his throws. Not a big fan of BG. Think we can better use that #1 on somebody besides him.
Also, I would like to say screw ESPN. I am tired of that freaking hype machine. Take a look at the Big East conference in basketball. ESPN fabricates all these myths about the Big East being stacked with great teams. People buy into that garbage until they see that it is in fact, garbage. I think the same thing is currently happening with Gabbert. ESPN and these analysts have made us to believe that BG is this great QB that should go in the top 5. I believe they are wrong and will be proven wrong down the road. I mean seriously, where was all this hype about BG during the year? I had never heard of the guy, now he is being considered the best QB in the draft by many people. Just kills me.
by passthedamnchipsdavidson on Mar 21, 2011 2:49 AM EDT reply actions
Oh you forgot to mention NFLN
They are the real culprits of this crime. I bet 60% of there “anaylsts” have Blaine Gabbert going first to us. Personally I just haven’t seem one of them give a GREAT explaination for why Gabbert should even be a top prospect. Only thing I have heard was Good arm, looks like a NFL QB and decent mechanics… While all at the same time ignoring whether his pass was completed or not and the fact he got a 63 percent completion rating in a horizontal spread offense, that also ran alot of screens… Now how well does that translate to the NFL Level? If anything his numbers and production are bound to be worse at the next level running an offense that does rely on the dink and dunk passes he is used to. But everyone see’s things differentlly I guess.
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
Btw as you brought up Brad Smith and Chase Daniels.....
Both of them are better than Gabbert…. might wanna consider that if you want Gabbert #1
"One of the more positive reviews of Gabbert..."
Terry Shea was his private QB coach, FGS, and his “opinion” shouldn’t be taken as worth any more than that from Winfield (?), Cam Newton’s tutor, was about his own pupil. So biased, they shouldn’t even be quoted.
He didn’t bobble any snaps from under center, but they weren’t in game conditions, either. As for his throws when in motion, he showed a quick release, but notice the footwork: how many were made from a position of no stability, with that little scissors kick, almost a jump pass. That’s not good footwork. The few completions they showed from the “unofficial 44 of 49” didn’t impress me, either, as many were not in front of the receivers’ strides – he wasn’t “throwing them open,” which is what you want to see. And many were of the stationary variety.
Too much is made of “Pro Day” numbers, and Combine passes, too. IMO, any QB worth a top pick should be assumed to be able to make these throws, as they come in shorts, in controlled environments, with no pressure. It’s just toss and catch. Big deal.
I wouldn’t discount those red flags that R. C. Fischer cited. His performance in big games, against top opponents, is a better way to assess his potential, than his “%” at Pro Day playschool. And when a QB goes his entire Sr year and only records 16 TDs? How can you spend a #1 pick on that? I watched the Illinois game, and most plays were with 5 WR sets, against a weak 3-man rush – and still, they sacked him 3 times. And the great majority of his throws, all from the shotgun, were quick outs. He just doesn’t show the ability to make the intermediate to deep passes that the Panthers are talking about using in their newly designed offense. He’s a dink and dunker to me, at best. I don’t want him. I think he’s a product of some hype conspiracy, and will be nothing special, against pro defenses.
by bigdavis on Mar 21, 2011 3:20 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I been singing this tune for weeks BigD
You and JamieK seem to be the only people on this site that actually watched the Illinois gamefilm I provided. Most Gabbert supporters completely ignore the facts and what is on film. You can’t possibly watch this guy on tape and say “I want this kid as my starting QB”… BigD I agree with everything you said and I think this deserves a rec..
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
You know I've been singing it, crying it, yelling it...
to the masses and have finally given up trying to argue the point. Big D you have my “rec” too…
The only thing I ever asked was show me on film what makes this guy worth the #1 pick. I’ve also went on to say that I have never heard of a QB having a bad proday. It’s what’s on film… real time game situations that count.
Everyone coming out has a knock on them… it’s like everyone is expecting them to be Seniors when they’re Freshmen… nobodies perfect.
"Remember the (Cam Newton) bandwagon started here... someone once called it a unicycle. My how time have changed...
by Caro2daheart... on Mar 21, 2011 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
There are some things that I do like about Gabbert (beyond the way he looks)...
But, the clip of the game that you posted was disconcerting. There are so many questions about so many of these QBs.
Stanzi or Ponder for #1! Kidding (sorta, maybe).
The other thing that kinda gets me on Blaine
Is he threw a critical interception at the end of his Bowl Game. Maybe I am just being hard on him, but that kind of stuff really scares me.
Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Mar 21, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Just a quick note
Gabbert’s wonderlic was 42, Stanzi was the one who scored 31 (although they’re both better than the average, so I guess it doesn’t matter too much)…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
It was revised last Friday
The 42 leaked for Gabbert was not accurate, he ultimately scored a 31 and Stanzi scored a 30
ahhhhhhh
damn march madness is preventing me from staying focused on draft updates!!
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
So which of these "leaked" scores can we trust?
They’re revised like weather forecasts these days.
James, have you ever seen a believable account of just how these supposedly private scores are leaked out, anyway?
I normally think whatever you hear around the pro-days are more accurate than in the week or so following the combine.
As for ‘how’ they’re leaked. I think it’s just a combination of too many people knowing. I think the testing facilities are pretty watertight, but when teams get copies of the scores and their entire scouting staffs know you have over a hundred people knowing (32 scouting teams) and sooner or later it gets out.
I’m going with the 31 for Gabbert… 42 seemed too high, even for an academic all-American.
by James Dator on Mar 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff
I haven’t seen much additional video from the pro day. Still some stuff to work on, but all of its minor stuff, no glaring issues with his game that I see.
By request, I’ll have a piece up tonight breaking down what I see from Gabbert using game video from 2009 and 2010.
Go over each pass he threw in that Illinois game that DT3428 gave us.
Tell me it doesn’t put up some question marks for you. See how many chances for big plays there were that he made poor throws on. And count the sacks he took. That was no NFL defense that Illinois put out there, either.
Kaepernick played a much weaker schedule, but he impressed me more than Gabbert. Same for Stanzi. IMO, if we decide to go QB with the #1, the potential (?) greatness of Newton is more attractive than the “lower upside/higher floor” of Gabbert. (But then, I’m a gambler by nature and avocation.)
I intend to tonight!
My two video examples are 2009 vs. Nevada and 2010 vs. Illinois.
(spoiler) Basically I think every QB enters this league needing to work on things. I can honestly say Andrew Luck was one of the rare cases I watched film and said “There is literally nothing I can knock this kid for”. Gabbert has issues to be sure, numerous ones… but I see them as the kind of easily correctable issues that guys like Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers had entering the league. Both had happy feet, both needed to work on their deliveries. I really think he can fix those things quickly, especially with Mike Shula who has a history of quickly working with QBs.
As for Illinois not being an NFL defense, you’re on the money. But, it should be noted that Missouri’s offense only has one player pegged to be drafted this year other than Gabbert, 5th round center- Tim Barnes.
Illinois are currently trending to have:
- 1st round DT- Corey Liuget
- 6th round DE- Clay Nurse
- 1st round LB- Martez Wilson
- 6th round CB- Travon Bellamy
by James Dator on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
If we don't pick Gabbert...
He’ll still go in the top 10. If you look at the top 15 teams, you see more teams need QBs than there are available. I don’t have the whole list in front of me, but I immediately think about us, Bengals, Cardinals, Titans, Dolphins, and Redskins. I could see Newton, Gabbert, Locker and Mallett picked in the top 15, even if we go defense. I understand the need vs. BPA debate, but QB is a different argument altogether. I mean, I could see the Redskins picking Mallett, and him being the 4th QB picked. Mallett can throw the ball as well as anyone in the draft, and giving him a year behind McNabb and with Shanahan could lead to a great career. Not only that, but I think we have never had a QB coach who could really develop a QB. Now we do. I really don’t want Gabbert, but I think that if we pick him, it will be the right choice. I also think that Shula can fix whatever is broken about him, if anything.
I'll add to this that it appears Gabbert was happy with his workout for the Panthers on Saturday morning (via his Twitter)
Saturday morning:
Blaine Gabbert
Great morning so far!
Yup… that’s all we’ve got. Funny that the organization are so willing to talk prospects, but not a peep after these private workouts.
Nobody will toot you own horn like you can...
Of course Blaine will
"Remember the (Cam Newton) bandwagon started here... someone once called it a unicycle. My how time have changed...
by Caro2daheart... on Mar 21, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Jaxson you might as well scream "I want Blaine".
well maybe not because that post does it for you.
I know I want Cam but I don’t try to hide it…
"Remember the (Cam Newton) bandwagon started here... someone once called it a unicycle. My how time have changed...
by Caro2daheart... on Mar 21, 2011 11:07 AM EDT reply actions
Okay,
I re-read this carefully, and I am not sure how this is SOOOO pro BG. I mean, the majority of the article is quotes from other people…
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Mar 21, 2011 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
But the best one was from his own tutor, which makes it wholly disposable.
Seems to me the whole Gabbert phenomenon is coming from a few TV talking heads, who constantly mouth about stressing game film, yet ignore the obvious problems this guy has from his film. If CJ can call BS on JR, I call BS on MMayock.
I'd say you can ignore the comment from his tutor
but I don’t see how the one comment makes it wholly disposable. I see what you’re saying, I just don’t know if I agree on the wholly disposable aspect.
Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Mar 21, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
bigdavis, you're a big boy...figure this out.
If a comment is identified as having come from his tutor, then use or discard as you see fit. Everyone else can make a decision for themselves. Why disparage the piece and appear snarky? It seems everyone is getting pretty petty lately. Maybe the CBA mess has us all on edge. By the way bigd, if I seem a bit snarky…sorry.
You and BBA read me wrong.
I wasn’t saying that the post was “wholly disposable,” but that the comments from Gabbert’s tutor were – just as the earlier raves from the interview with Newton’s tutor were.
And if the best complimentary assessment is from a biased “observer,” it weakens the argument in Gabbert’s favor.
I am a big boy, I figured it out, I discarded it, and I wasn’t being snarky. BTW, if I ever AM snarky, it WON’T be with Jaxon, for whom I have the utmost respect.
Just to be clear
I didn’t think you were being snarky. Sorry I misread you, I see what you’re saying.
Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Mar 22, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Really? All he is doing is presenting quotes from various sources and giving a small quip of opinion after it…
This is the reason why I get tired of hearing from you newton supporters.
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Agreed.
Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Mar 21, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Really...?
Two things:
1) How did you get bias out of that? He referenced several articles which people bring up major flaws, and merely gave his commentary on them.
2) What’s wrong with someone having an opinion? By no means is Jaxon bound by some arbitration to be impartial in all things.
by aceofsween on Mar 21, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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