Blaine Gabbert scores a 42 on his Wonderlic.

wuuuttt? wutis wit teh qqb debait?? WE HAV ARMAN EDWARD!

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by scatterbrain on Mar 12, 2011 12:46 AM EST reply actions

does any one know if this actually means anything?

i mean i know no one wants a dumb ass but aren u just as likely to succeed if you have a bad score?

by pantherpride on Mar 12, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions

Well, what if it's so bad you're:

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by Revshawn on Mar 12, 2011 1:31 AM EST up reply actions

The 'magic' number is supposedly 27

It is debatable but supposedly the odds of success for a QB drop exponentially if they score below a 27 on the Wonderlic.

To me all it means is Gabbert was that guy in high school. The way over 6 foot, pretty boy, super-jock, that also happened to be one of the smartest kids in class.

While an average football player usually scores around 20 points, Wonderlic, Inc. claims a score of at least 10 points suggests a person is literate. Furthermore, when the test was given to miscellaneous people of various professions, it was observed that the average participant scored a 24. Examples of scores from everyday professions include:

    * Chemist – 31
    * Programmer – 29
    * Journalist – 26
    * Sales – 24
    * Bank teller – 22
    * Clerical worker – 21
    * Security guard – 17
    * Warehouse – 14

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by Vagus on Mar 12, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions

maybe it was jealousy

but I hated those guys

by EyeSack on Mar 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

At this point, no one has seen him throw the ball except for game tape. It will be interesting to see how he throws on his pro day. And even if he has the skills and a high score on the wunderlic, the game film shows his real decision making. I just don’t see how we can even compare him to other QBs until his pro day. Maybe he’ll have a tremendous pro day, and even run the 40 faster than Cam on that day…and then we can really talk about how good he is. I think just looking at the season, though, there is nothing that really makes him better than the other top 5 or so QBs.

by usana_gaines on Mar 12, 2011 2:40 AM EST reply actions

yea

Not a bad score but again these wonderlic tests really dont mean anything at all thats important, important to be a player anyway. Tom Brady scored in the mid 20s and Brett Favre scored a 24.

Wonder what Cam’s is

by PantherTrain on Mar 12, 2011 2:56 AM EST reply actions

Tom Brady scored a 33 on the wonderlic, not mid 20s.

Favre, McNabb and Marino are the outliers, the vast majority of the time elite QBs score over 25.

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by James Dator on Mar 12, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions

Are you inserting facts into a biased argument? Shame on you sir!

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by Ivan459 on Mar 12, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions

Seriously, get your facts out of here!

This is an unwarranted opinion argument only thread, didn’t you know that? :-)

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by BW Smith on Mar 12, 2011 11:52 AM EST up reply actions

YEAH!

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by Ivan459 on Mar 12, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions

Beason said yesterday that...

He wanted Moore/Clausen. So this discussion is over now right?

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs

Twitter on this here

@Omarkelly, Matt Moore and Jimmy Clausen are our qbs. I’m riding with them. The draft is a roll of the Dice.

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by Vagus on Mar 12, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions

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by ALAC on Mar 12, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions

A writer from Miami

The one that first reported that Beason said he’d “roll with Cam”.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions

So...the dice is what he'd roll with Cam?

Kinda confusing as to Beason’s complete feelings on the QB matter, isn’t it?

by bigdavis on Mar 12, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions

I don't think so

That seems like the politically correct thing to say in that situation, like how he retracted his statement that Peppers was lazy.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions

I did not get that feeling

Just my opinion though.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 10:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

And you're more than entitled to it.

It just seems a bit odd to me that a day after calling for the team to draft a QB, he comes out and speaks in favor of the QBs already on the roster. He was either disingenuous the first time, or he’s saying the politically correct thing now.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions

I think that without FA

And possibly no football in 2011, he doesn’t want to use the #1 overall on a QB that won’t be able to work with the team untill 2012. Especially since he knows who is coming out in the 2012 draft.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I think you're making a reach

Considering he’s made no such comment. He’s said two things: that he’d take Cam, and that Moore/Clausen are the team’s quarterbacks. Nobody will be able to work as a team, so a DT would be no different in that regard.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions

Just makes sense to me

Why would you draft a QB this year? They can’t work with the team, they would be sitting on their ass for a year… I would take PP7. Even if he sits on his ass for a year, it won’t be hard to get him into shape. Or AJ Green, or trade back. Trade back would be my top choice. Then pick up Luck next year. Because he is a God (according to everyone here).

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I didn't know Beason was gonna be the one drafting

Go Panthers

by Smitty89 on Mar 12, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions

If Beason wants to do the drafting

Then aint nothing gonna stop the Beast

by Imisshooooooooov on Mar 12, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions

Beason is the end all be all!

He says he wants Newton, everybody wants Newton. He says he wants Moore/Clausen… I see there’s plenty of seats on these two bandwagons haha.

He doesn’t see a point in taking a QB #1 overall in this draft. We will have the #1 overall next year (more than likely). Soooooooo that means ______?

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I don't think Beast is saying he wants Moore or Clausen

He is saying “Moore and Clausen are the guys on the team and I am not going to recommend someone publicly if my team tells me not to…”

“…and Julius Peppers took plays off.”

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by Oi2dwrld on Mar 12, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions

LOL...

At the “….and Julius Peppers took plays off” part.

by jamiedk on Mar 12, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions

When did someone tell him not to?

He said this right after decertification. Pretty sure he isn’t a puppet right now.

I forgot though. We NEED a QB THIS draft no matter what. No waiting till next year or anything like that. Silly me.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Could be his agent, could be that he realized that he was putting his curent teamates down

To be fair, when I read the original quote I thought he was just saying that he felt we were going to take a QB, and that Cam Newton was the probable and exciting pick.

So he may just be clarifying his point. It’s not like journalists haven’t taken a quote out of context to make it more exciting before. (Coughcamnewtoniconentertainerpeterkingisadouche)

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by Oi2dwrld on Mar 12, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions

haha

Yeah I’m not sure how to take the first tweet. I’ve thought about it a few different ways, but I was entertaining the idea that Beason wanted Cam. It makes sense… the kid does have that “it” factor, he knows how hard he will be to play against (being a MLB), and all he does is win.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I think this is it right here.

This isn’t an endorsement of Moore/Clausen, but I don’t think he was endorsing us to pick Cam either.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions

I think very few here are screaming for us to take a QB.

It just appears that the team is leaning towards Newton at this point, and we’ve come to terms to that. I think if you were to ask us who WE want instead of who we think the team will take, you’ll get a medley of Peterson, Fairley, and Dareus.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions

Yeah?

I don’t know how long you have been here, but I’ve been here for a few seasons. The want for a QB by this community is…. I can’t even think of a word great enough to describe it. You can’t tell by every thread turning into a QB debate?

This flame has been burning for a while. Each new prospect we can see some way of obtaining is discussed ad nausem here. We don’t discuss LB prospects or LT prospects… we do discuss DTs, but it never gets heated. QB debates get nasty. Everyone has drawn a line in the sand when it comes to their stance on our QBs. Believe me this.

I just quit commenting for the longest, because it is just annoying. I wasn’t getting anywhere with any discussion, so what’s the point is debating?

We have a lot of intelligent guys (and one very intelligent girl c; ) on here. I just can’t wait till all this QB nonsense is over so we can go back to the way things used to be. Helping each other understand different aspects of the game, history of the game. Possiblities of the future of the team. And all in good nature. Couple of bad season and a horrible playoff loss can really change the way a fanbase gets along haha.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Thanks for the compliment...

We have a lot of intelligent guys (and one very intelligent girl c; ) on here. I just can’t wait till all this QB nonsense is over so we can go back to the way things used to be. Helping each other understand different aspects of the game, history of the game. Possiblities of the future of the team. And all in good nature. Couple of bad season and a horrible playoff loss can really change the way a fanbase gets along haha.

I wasn’t here until around draft time in 2010, so I wasn’t here for the heated Delhomme/Moore debates. But I have been here for all of the rest, and realize how badly we need to get that franchise guy in order for passionate QB arguments to be set aside.

Considering I haven’t followed football for that long, I’ve tried to learn as much as possible about Panthers history before I came to my fanaticism. From the best I can tell, Delhomme contributed more to the QB position than any of the previous QBs. At one time, I do think that he really hovered between the game-manager QB to the top 2nd tier type of QB.

Example: Super Bowl (maybe a simple example, but it shows Delhomme against probably the most elite QB)
Delhomme: 323 yds., 3 TDs, 0 INTs
Brady: 354 yds. 3 TDs, 1 INTs

I watched that Super Bowl, but didn’t care enough to really pay attention at the time or to appreciate the game. Going back and watching the special on Hulu, I can see that it was a damn good game, and Delhomme gave a heck of a performance (he couldn’t be rattled despite having 3-4 defenders right in his face, and it was beautiful).

But, we’ve never had that truly elite QB. I don’t think anyone would dispute that we want our own Brady/Manning/Brees/Rodgers/etc. And I personally don’t think we have that guy on our roster (as much as I love one of the QBs on the roster, I don’t think he could make it past the level Delhomme once was at). And I don’t think we’ll find that franchise QB in one of the FA vets. I don’t see the team acquiring one of the young back-up guys who have shown flashes that they may make it to the elite level (i.e., I really, really, really like what I’ve seen from Matt Flynn, and sitting behind Rodgers can only help him). Currently, IMO, the best option at this point in time is to draft someone in this draft IF the team thinks that that QB will reach that elite level and have him sit behind a stop-gap vet. If not this draft, how many drafts to you want to wait to try to find THAT guy while you’re stuck at mediocrity behind a stop-gap guy?

We’re just in a crappy situation. It takes killer scouting, evaluating, and luck (because there’s no way to make drafting an exact science) to find that franchise guy. If Hurney, Rivera, and Shula see a guy in this draft that they truly believe can be that elite franchise guy, I want to see him drafted. If they don’t see that guy…heck if I know what I want to see.

by jamiedk on Mar 12, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs

All good points and well put.

If HuRivula (you love it) find their guy then by all means go. Whoever they draft I’m going to be okay with.

If it was me, I would trade back, pick up PP7 or Green, in that order. Pick up a DT in the 2nd and then go straight BPA. See what happens with the season. If we play and Moore or the Jimmy shows promise then I’m going BPA the whole way. If we are picking low then I package the picks we have and take Luck. If there’s no football then we take Luck and whatever biggest hole we have at the time.

To me we stand to gain the most this way. If we use this #1 on a QB and get a Vet stop gap, and said QB busts then we are screwed. With nothing to show for this crappy season we just endured.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

I already coined the term.

“Hurvera”

by aceofsween on Mar 12, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

What makes you think that any team that could take Luck would trade him?

We wouldn’t. I think the reality is we take the best draft pick this year, try for the best FA next year, or look at the second best QB coming out next year. The Luck train is gone my friend.

And we all want to trade our pick, but that probably won’t happen either. We have to look at the reality of the situation we are in and decide what is best with the tools we have now, and the ones we can readily acquire. Planning with the idea we can trade will only put us at a disadvantage.

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by Oi2dwrld on Mar 12, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions

Its unlikey that we get the #1 pick next year

When was the last time a team got back-to-back #1 overall picks? And when was the last time there was a canceled season? No matter how you look at it, it’s NOT more than likely that we have back-to-back #1 picks.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions

Sure it is

If there’s not Football then we get it. If we only play a 6-8 wk season and Clausen is our QB (which he is incapable of improving, he only regresses) then we will do worse than we did last year.

Plus we have a new coaching staff, no OTAs, or TC, or PS, so we probably wouldn’t do too hot with Peyton next year.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

I think you'll find you're in the minority in that opinion.

But to quote our former coach, it is what it is.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions

In which opinion?

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 11:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

That it's highly likely that we end up with the #1 pick next year

It’s only happened a handful of times in NFL history. I’m also not sure where you can say with a certainty that Clausen can’t improve but only regress, but that’s not an argument for this thread.

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by Jake Humphrey on Mar 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions

+1 for both points

GSO

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by MikeTrain on Mar 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

The Clausen comment was sarcasm on my part.

Sorry, thought that was obvious. I don’t give up on rookies thrown into bad situations. BTW I’m not discussing that topic.

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by Steve785 on Mar 12, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Thought this was news days ago.. Haha

GSO

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by MikeTrain on Mar 12, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions

I wasn't confirmed days ago when the rumor broke.

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by BW Smith on Mar 12, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

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by BW Smith on Mar 12, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

Where was I at? LOL...

I hadn’t heard any rumors about Gabbert’s score until late yesterday.

by jamiedk on Mar 12, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions

When is the deadline for signing a rookie

Before they go into the next years draft class?

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My understanding is that it has to be done by the time players need to formally declare for the draft early February.

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by James Dator on Mar 12, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions

So I find it interesting.

That Blaine Gabbert scores a 42 and the consensus opinion appears to be “Oh big deal, look at all these guys who had low scores and did well/high scores who failed, he’s not all that.” Even ignoring those who want Cam Newton for a moment, the dismissal of this is kind of unnerving. It’s an excellent score, for an excellent QB prospect. And it doesn’t raise his hype even a little?

Disclaimer: I don’t believe the Wonderlic is an end be all sure-fire way to success, nor am I endorsing the drafting of Blaine Gabbert based solely on his wonderlic score. The only thing this really proves is that he knows the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2011 12:32 PM EST reply actions

To me...

A higher score (around mid-30s and above) shows a capacity to mentally process information very quickly. That’s ONE skill that a QB needs – it helps you read defenses and quickly audible before the snap. But that mental capacity doesn’t automatically give you that ability to be a leader, it doesn’t give you textbook mechanics, it doesn’t give you accuracy, it doesn’t give you that instinctual feeling to feel pressure coming from behind you even though you can’t see it, etc.

And just because a player doesn’t get that high of a Wonderlic score doesn’t mean he’s not capable of being a great QB. Some intelligent people just don’t do well with standardized tests. And even if the test is an accurate measurement of the ability to quickly process information, other qualities may help make up for that – killer worth ethic and intense film study, leadership, good mechanics, accuracy, good instincts, a chemistry with certain players, etc.

Ideally, you want one player to have that whole package, but it’s a rare thing to come by. Probably your best shot is to find someone who has a respectable balance of all of the tangibles and intangibles.

Anyway, back to Gabbert. A score of 42 is definitely a check in his favor in my book. But you still have to see how he measures up in other areas.

by jamiedk on Mar 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions

I would agree...

but with so many other elements being equal: Gabbert’s numbers from the combine not far off of Cam’s, both from a spread offense, both with question marks on accuracy, both very moblie, both strong arms with quick releases, I think this really sets him apart from Cam.

NFL defenses are getting so complex that QBs have to be both mobile and quick in their decision making (as you wrote). Decision making is what makes Aaron Rodgers, Manning, Brees and Brady so good —their ability to dissect the situation at the line of scrimmage and then to execute accordingly.

The Wonderlic is most important with QBs. A 42 is a big deal.

by blueridgecat on Mar 12, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions

Very true.

Gabbert’s no surefire prospect by any means, and I’d personally draft someone else if I had to choose. But I don’t, and if the Panthers FO thinks he can be the guy, I won’t complain with the pick. The only thing I really know right now is that his pro day is going to be very interesting.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 12, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions

My Care Package for Blaine Gabbert

I commented on this in another thread, but I’ve decided to expand upon it a bit. So, without further ado, my Douglas Adams-themed care package for Blaine Gabbert:

1) A towel

2) A copy of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

3) A depressed, paranoid android named Marvin

4) A starship called The Heart of Gold, equipped with an Infinite Improbability Drive

5) An all-expense paid trip to see the supercomputer Deep Thought and discuss Life, the Universe and Everything.

6) An all-expense paid trip to Towel Day (in Innsbruck, Austria — and no, I’m not making this up; look on Wikipedia for details)

The only advice I can offer Blaine at this point is to make sure we remain mostly harmless, always remember where your towel is… and for God’s sake, whatever you do… don’t panic.

by NX75649 on Mar 12, 2011 2:39 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

If I'd been really smart...

I would have tried to list 42 different things, but I didn’t want people to think I was any crazier than I had to be to have come up with this in the first place.

by NX75649 on Mar 12, 2011 2:41 PM EST up reply actions