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Well... what did the Panthers do then?

I dawned on me while writing my two part look at #1 picks from 2001 until 2010 that I missed a very important aspect to this discussion, this was what the Panthers did with their pick? 

Although Carolina did not pick #1 overall, they did have a selection most years and as such I thought it would be apropos to look at each of the Panthers' picks since 2001 and give a brief breakdown of who they took, whether it was need or BPA and who they passed on who was graded higher. In the end we should get an idea of what Carolina's tendencies have been when lined up against who independent scouts think is best.

You can read this... after the jump

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2001

Dan Morgan (9.08/10): Need

- The best player available when Carolina selected #11 overall was OT Kenyatta Walker who was graded at 9.23/10. In the end Carolina made the right choice.

 

2002

Julius Peppers (4.88/6.00): BPA

- Peppers was the best player available to the Carolina Panthers and he was the right decision... simple as that

 

2003

Jordan Gross (4.34/6.00): Need

- The best rated player when Carolina selected was DE/OLB Terrell Suggs (4.82/6.00). Suggs didn't make a lot of sense being a 3-4 LB, but Jerome McDougle was also available as a 4-3 DE and was a 4.62/6.00 rated player. Neither made sense, Panthers took need, Panthers won.

 

2004

Chris Gamble (4.12/6.00): Need

- Following the Superbowl Carolina were aware they would lose at least one of their corners and went about solidifying the position. They took Gamble over the higher rated RB Kevin Jones (4.33/6.00) and the Panthers made the right decision.

 

2005

Thomas Davis (4.06/6.00): Need

- This was the 'Vick pick'. Davis was selected and moved from safety to OLB purely to counter Atlanta QB Michael Vick who terrorized the Panthers in 2004. They passed over highly rated OLB Derrick Johnson (4.42/6.00) to go for the faster Davis. In the end it appears TD was yet again the right pick.

 

2006

DeAngelo Williams (4.27/6.00): BPA

- D-Will was the best player available in 2006, and he also represented a position the Panthers needed. In the end it was an amazing pick.

 

2007

Jon Beason (3.98/6.00): Need

- With Dan Morgan at the end of his career the Panthers went for the MLB they liked the best. Robert Meacham, Joe Staley, Greg Olsen were all rated higher than Beason and none haver performed better than Beast. Panthers again made the right pick.

 

2008

Jonathan Stewart (4.15/6.00): Need

Jeff Otah (4.12/6.00): BPA

- Dominique Rogers-Cromartie and OT Chris Williams were graded higher than Stewart, and neither is as good in this writer's mind. Meanwhile Jeff Otah was the best player left, and he's been very good when healthy. Both were good decisions.

 

2009

No 1st round selection, traded to Eagles for Jeff Otah's pick the year before

Everette Brown (4.25/6.00): BPA

- Considered to be one of the steals of the 2009 draft the Panthers decided to trade a 2010 1st round selection to get the guy who they believe fell further than he should have. The jury is still out on Brown, he's shown flashes here and there, but has been pretty unremarkable for the most part. We'll see what he can do in Ron Rivera's defense.

 

2010

No 1st round selection, traded to 49ers for Everette Brown's pick the year before

Jimmy Clausen (3.13/5.00): BPA

- Again considered to be a steal in the second round the Panthers took the best player available as insurance for Matt Moore. We don't know yet whether Clausen will pan out or not, but he was the best rated player available at #48.

 

Summation

In the last 10 years the Panthers have utilized what was tantamount to their 1st round pick on 6 'need' picks and 4 'BPA' picks. Really, there's no pattern- the Panthers take who they have graded the highest and while it sometimes doesn't make sense on draft day it has proven itself that more often than not they have made the right decision.

I will close saying that you can, and should expect the unexpected when it comes to the Panthers and the draft... nobody knows what they will do.

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And the lesson of this is......

The Panthers know what they’re doing with their first round pick. Whoever we chose to pick is going to be an impact player for us.

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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 8, 2011 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

Makes you appreciate hurney

that much more! A lot of people give him crap because he supposedly doesn’t know what he’s doing, but showing them these picks proves them wrong! Good article James!

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 8, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions  

I listened to Hurney get fuming mad on WFNZ.

A caller accused him of drafting busts and he went over the roster and made a convincing case as to why his drafts have been anything but bad.

Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

link? would love to hear that

GSO

"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.

by MikeTrain on Feb 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

link? would love to hear that

GSO

"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.

by MikeTrain on Feb 8, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

These are links straight to the audio file

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

oops

Sorry, I can’t find the link straight to the website, but it’ll play from these.

PART 1
http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dW/dR/d1/dY/WR1Y_3.MP3?authtok?dl=1

PART 2
http://nyc.podcast.play.it/media/d0/d0/d0/dW/dR/d1/dZ/WR1Z_3.MP3?authtok?dl=1

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Thanks Jake.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He just has trouble with second rounders

ever other round (usually) seems to be solid.

by Scrantsj on Feb 8, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm particularly fond of his late round finds.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

His late round finds always seem to be diamonds in the rough.

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 8, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with Hurney's drafting history...

Is the lack of foresight in realizing that WRs might have been kind of important considering Moose was in his late 30s when he returned from Chicago for 2008 & 2009, and that the only other playmaker at WR was Steve Smith (who was approaching his 30s).

Before the 2010 draft, the last year they drafted WRs was in 2007 – Dwayne Jarrett in the 2nd round and Ryne Robinson (who?) in the 4th. The team drafted zero WRs between 2007 and 2010. That’s really kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Jarrett didn’t even get a TD until the end of 2009 from Matt Moore. Really? When he couldn’t bother to learn the playbook for forever, “BUST” lights should have been flashing in the minds of Hurney and the scouting team.

There were signs flashing all around that they might want to draft some WRs, and they didn’t draft a single one between 2007 and 2010.

Hurney just happened to luck out with LaFell and Gettis this season. Thank heavens he did. Imagine how much worse our “worse offense in the league” would have looked without them considering Wallace was injured in the preseason and Martin went out in the first week. We would have been left with bust Jarrett and a suddenly drop-prone Steve Smith.

Hurney hasn’t done poorly with his first round picks, and he’s found a few diamonds in the rough later in the draft. But I just think they have to look ahead to a future a little more than they do.

by jamiedk on Feb 8, 2011 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, it was always this wait and see approach with Dwayne Jarrett.

I agree with you.

Disclaimer: BusyBeingAwesome = Irony. And, on a side note. I miss you, Steve Beuerlein.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

as a franchise we’ve never really had a good record for drafting good WRs. Smitty was a gem that no one thought would amount to anything other than Special Teams, Moose was a good pick-up, but after that(the jury still being out on Lafell and Gettis) it’s been anything less than a train wreck. Keary Colbert, Rae Carueth, Dwayne Jarrett. I really like Drew Carter, but we let him go prematurely IMO.

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 8, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Carter was one of those "If only.." players

He was so injury prone because of those knee injuries that he still hasn’t recovered from it (I believe he reinjured something out in Oakland and barely played there as well). It sucks that we stuck with Jarrett for so long, but in the end WR drafting is about as far from a sure thing as you can possibly get; EVERY GM has a spotty record on drafting WR’s…just look at the first two rounds for every draft and look at all the WR’s taken overall, then look through a lot of the names. It’s such a dependent position that you really can never say with a whole lot of confidence if the pick will pan out or not. Maybe Hurney did underestimate the need for more “developmental” receivers prior to Moose’s departure, but with those picks we also shored up a lot of other holes that we had as well. He ain’t perfect, but I’ll give him a pass on the receiving front (now, QB? I’m a Clausen fan, but Hurney’s record with picking potential “future” QB’s is pretty dismal…lest we forget the greatness that was Stefan Lefors, Chris Weinke, and Randy Fasani)

by Tomthehomer on Feb 8, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Wienke still takes the cake

a 29 year old rookie! Man, I was young when they drafted him, but even I was thinking what the heck!

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 8, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Granted, not even clausen has represented a huge investment by the team...

And he’s been the highest of the picks (at 48th in the draft, he’s basically the epitome of low risk, high reward). But yea, Weinke was a bit of an odd one despite being a late 4th rounder…It wasn’t entirely unwarranted though; he was coming off of a Heisman/Championship season, and was (still is) regarded as a very mechanically sound QB (his deep ball especially earned him a lot of praise as a QB). Granted, mechanics mean nothing if your decision making and accuracy aren’t there..but it wasn’t a terrible pick at the time. Unfortunately for Hurney, he’s gone 0-3 on QB prospects while the next two (pike and clausen) are still too early to judge.

by Tomthehomer on Feb 8, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I still hold hope

for both of them, though I hold a little more hope for Pike than Clausen. Clausen has that fiery personality to him reminiscent of Jake and he’s got the mechanics. I just think he needs to mature into the role of leader of the offense and get some of his moxy back. Our first Saints game last season showed he can be a tough, calm, cool, collected, fiery sun of a gun. Pike has the height, the accuracy, and he knows how to win(from Cinci). He just needs to bulk up, strengthen that arm, but the intangibles and talent are there they just need to be tapped into.

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 8, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't ever say an unkind word about Randy Fasani

He payed his dues when he got his one and only TD taken away by booth review in the last minutes of the Falcons game so that Vick could get his shut out against a division rival.

Only guy this has ever happened to.

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 8, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

L . O . L .

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahaha I forgot about that...

Ya know, I really pulled for the kid too that year because I had a really hard time envisioning Rodney Peete or Chris Weinke as our answers at the time lol Alas, it was never meant to be….

Although we found our answer the next season so no worries mon!

by Tomthehomer on Feb 8, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Fail above..."WORST offense in the league" and not "worse."

Ugh…I hate re-reading my posts seeing stupid mistakes like that.

by jamiedk on Feb 8, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate reading your posts and seeing stupid mistakes like that.

:P

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah right...

Don’t try to be all nice about it now after you insulted the man. :-)

"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera

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by BW Smith on Feb 8, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

sure you did.

:)

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 8, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Jeez BW, you are one to know!

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by Ivan459 on Feb 8, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

CBA Note

As per ESPN:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6095765

“Richardson, who is co-chairman of the owners negotiating committee, continues to be perceived as the least flexible and most pessimistic spokesman for the owners, sources have noted on both sides.”

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by CarPanthers on Feb 8, 2011 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

He's the Bad Cop. C'mon, you guys know this stuff is strategized and roles are defined.

He’s doing what he feels is best for the league, and by extension, his Panthers.

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with experience.

by Rick Bates on Feb 8, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

You're damn right he's the bad cop...

Just look at those eyes. That’s a BAMF right there. Players, don’t even think about taking any more of his money than he allows you to have. :-)

"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera

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by BW Smith on Feb 8, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Of course Carolina's BPA board was probably likely different

For example, I’m sure they considered Beason BPA when they picked him and not just the best available MLB. I remember they were targeting him even before they traded back.

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by southtunnel on Feb 8, 2011 2:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Really, there’s no pattern- the Panthers take who they have graded the highest and while it sometimes doesn’t make sense on draft day it has proven itself that more often than not they have made the right decision.

I remember when we drafted Beast, I was so pissed that we passed on Olsen…. boy oh boy am I glad Hurney and Company drafted Beason.

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by Ivan459 on Feb 8, 2011 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

great article!

On Pickles- I’m still in the “should be good with _” camp. That said, I was peeking at the Buffalo Rumblings site. They’re having it out about Ponder in the 2nd. But the connection is the group that supported T. Edwards for so long and complaining about the OL and OC. Sound familiar? Just hoping that all 3 aren’t the problem.

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by wee-vegas cat on Feb 8, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

To be fair about the Buffalo situation...

their OC position has been a revolving door for the past 5 years (at least)…they’re a little like the redskins in that respect; they won’t get any consistency until they get a coaching staff to stay intact for more than one year.

by Tomthehomer on Feb 8, 2011 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

2005

You forgot to mention that when the Panthers took Thomas Davis they left future Super Bowl MVP Aaron Rodgers on the board

by Matt Volk on Feb 8, 2011 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

Indeed

But there was no real reason to mention it.

Delhomme was 30 at the time and looked like he easily had 5-6 more years left in him. He just came off a 3,500 yard, 29 TD, 15 INT season and the next year (2005) he went to the pro bowl.

Rodgers was neither a need, nor the best player available when they drafted in 2005

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by James Dator on Feb 8, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This is random...

But I was reading the comments on our rookie receivers earlier and it go me thinking.. I was so excited when we got David Clowney, and if I remember her had two 3rd down catches in his first game, but then he disappeared, was he injured or something?

by Thaddeus_Griffin on Feb 8, 2011 7:22 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t think there was anything wrong with him at all. Remember that we had the fat one, davidson as OC at the time.

I think Clowney was lucky to not get eaten by the guy.

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by Ivan459 on Feb 8, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He didn't give us the best chance to win this week.

No seriously, he has been awesome for me in Madden, but no idea where he went. Maybe they just played the rookies.

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 8, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

His forte is speed and stretching the defense...

when you have a QB who only throws ONE pass past 10 yards per game, it’s quite hard for speed receivers to make a splash.

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by Jelly Wedge on Feb 8, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't been able to find this anywhere...

But does anyone know how long Clowney’s contract was for? I’m assuming it was just for the 2010 season (I haven’t found any info on that during my brief search), but correct me if I’m wrong.

I originally thought that there really wasn’t much of a chance of him staying, but he may have a shot with the more aggressive mindset of Chud/Rivera. IF Shula becomes the Quarterback Whisperer and gets better results from any person playing that position, I foresee a lot more passes further down the field – where Clowney could make himself valuable with his speed.

by jamiedk on Feb 9, 2011 5:18 AM EST up reply actions  

I lol'd at "the Quarterback Whisperer".

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by BW Smith on Feb 9, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Clowney a lot.

I think he could be a great 4th receiver to stretch the field like Devery Henderson for ’Nawlins.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 9, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Lesson...

Dont trade away your first round pick for whatever “steal” might be available on later picks.

by Penn Panther Fan on Feb 8, 2011 8:19 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I'd take DRC over Stewart

of course you can say it’d be a different position and situation, but if someone right now offered straight up J-Stew for DRC I’d take it instantly (ignoring whatever contract situation they’re in)

by vitzeng on Feb 9, 2011 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

I'm in the "yes,but..." mode on that one

Given the great RB situation the Panthers have, and the need for some improvement in the Secondary, I’ll agree with you, but…

if…. D-Will then went down, you’d have improved the Secondary a bunch, but decimated a “run-first” team.

by panthersnbraves on Feb 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't do that.

DRC is overrated, he’s an athlete, not a football player. We don’t need him with Captain Crunch.

"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 9, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He loses focus far too much.

I think he can get better with age, but he’s still a little too inconsistent for my liking.

"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox

"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)

by Flowing Willow on Feb 10, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

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