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Newton Fails to Justify Panthers #1 Pick at Combine

I think Cam Newton did help himself in several ways at the combine but I don't think it was enough to be considered the best player in the draft. Does that mean another team won't offer the Panthers a kings ransom to move up to #1 to select him? No it doesn't but I'm still thinking its unlikely.

Let's start with the good stuff. Newton started off my apologizing for the 'icon' statement earlier in the week. Was an apology really necessary? Dan Graziano with Fanhouse doesn't think so:

Newton shouldn't feel the need to apologize for being him and saying what he believes. He shouldn't feel the need to rehearse, when he's so good off the cuff. He shouldn't help the NFL put him in its one-size-fits-all draft pick box.

Whether I agree with Graziano or not on principle I'm glad Newton did the apology just the same. It's nice to see kids be humble when they have every reason to brag. Though his apology was a prepared statement I thought the rest of his Q&A was enough to show this kid does have a pretty good head on his shoulders. He seems to be taking the PR coaching well and is willing to do it, which is half the battle.

I later saw him interviewed on set by Faulk and Mayock. Though I found none of his answers very enlightening he continued to display a positive, humble persona. He was obviously nervous but you can tell this guy won't take much time to get comfortable in front of the camera.

The best question though came from Mayock who asked Newton about a comment he made on the sideline after throwing. Mayock was actually giving Newton a chance to address what was his obvious weakest moment of the combine, his throwing session, where he was less than sharp...after the jump...

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He was off on a number of throws and Newton admitted he was surprised at the difficulty in getting the timing down with the receivers. It's easy to accept the excuses you can give, such as the 'I don't know these WRs' is the main one he offered. But the other QBs were given the same scenarios.

Joe Person had a pretty accurate summary of his results:

Newton struggled with his accuracy, going 1-for-6 on out routes. He was missing high, which George Whitfield, his QB tutor, pointed out is where you want to miss on that route.

An underthrow or a pass thrown behind a receiver running an out could result in a pick-six (Panther fans saw a few of those last season).

Newton showed off his cannon arm. Though he was 0-for-3 on go routes, he certainly did not miss short.

He demonstrated nice touch by completing 2 of his 3 passes on corner routes.

Orlando Ledbetter with AJC gives additional analysis on his drop backs:

In the second session, Cam Newton (Auburn) had some shaky mechanics and that led to some wild passes. He was dropping back too slow and then rushing his passes. He was wildly off the mark on three straight passes on 10-yard out routes.

Overall, Newton completed 11 of 21 passes after helping out receivers in the across-the-field gauntlet pass-catching drill.

I agree he was not as sharp in his drop back as say Ryan Mallet was. He seems to hop a little too much and didn't drive his throws off his back foot.

The Panthers have already made plans to bring Newton in for a private work out so he still has a chance to prove his value as the best player overall. Though I think he waylaid  the off-the-field concerns I just don't think he did enough in the passing drills to warrant the #1 pick. 

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What did you think of Cam Newton's performance at the combine?
He helped himself
94 votes
He didn't help himself at all
78 votes
It was a push at best; other QBs looked better
128 votes

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I voted that it was a push...

Until we know how his Wonderlic went I wont really be able to say he helped himself. Rather, it just reassured what we know, spectacular athlete but still questions about his head.

Now, if it comes out tomorrow he scored a 30 on the Wonderlic then he’ll be the consensus #1, people wont even care he struggled with the out routes.

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by James Dator on Feb 27, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

When you say consensus #1,

do you mean the Panthers’ consensus #1 or just in general? In other words do you think that would be all that it would take for the Panthers to pick him?

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by ThePanthers! on Feb 27, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

No, it wont be all it takes. More importantly than the Wonderlic are the interviews where teams can grill him over the important areas of concern.

I say the Wonderlic will be the consensus because every team will get a copy of his score, it will be objective whereas the interviews are subjective. I’m not saying every team will have him #1 on their board, but if he scores high I think you’ll see teams believe as a whole that he’s the best prospect in the draft.

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by James Dator on Feb 27, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha.

So a high score means a greater chance of us getting a trading partner, and I would love that.

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by ThePanthers! on Feb 27, 2011 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The wonderlic I'm less concerned about...

I want to know how he did in the interviews in regards to how he performed when asked to do the “whiteboard” questions; Not that I want to downplay the wonderlic, but unless he scores really low my opinion won’t change all that much lol

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by Tomthehomer on Feb 27, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree, see above.

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by James Dator on Feb 27, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Completely agree.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't see him throw

But I respect the fact that he did. I thought he was impressive in the drills.

The most important thing about him to me: turn on the game tape, and he was a man amongst boys.

by KlRBY on Feb 27, 2011 5:30 PM EST reply actions  

not worried

cam will be the #1 overall pick. aj green is slower and less explosive than expected, and nick fairley is injured. nick fairley has trouble getting off blockers because he’s not as powerful or as good with his hands as suh or warren sapp respectively. but fairley won’t be fully recovered before the draft, and if there is a lockout, we won’t even be able to monitor his rehab. so aj green and fairley are out, IMO. that only leaves gabbert, bowers and peterson. i don’t think we’d pick a DB #1 when you can just throw to other side, especially as much as we need a QB, and as much as Rivera talks about QBs, and Newton in particular. Bowers won’t be our pick because Johnson hasn’t reached his potential, and we still gotta see about the other DEs, including E. Brown, who cost us a 1st rd pick. So that leaves Gabbert and Newton. I guarantee you that Newton’s passing wil be phenomenal in his pro day because he knows he needs to make up for today. he didn’t look bad, but not great either. and when he comes to carolina, that will be his fourth display of his skills including the media day. there’s been no mention of gabbert being invited to carolina, and i think he only gets invited if newton fails to impress at his pro day. newton will throw a lot better at his pro day and run a faster 40. fairley will still be hurt, and aj green will still be slower than edwards, gettis and smitty.

if we don’t pick newton, it will be because we think another QB is better, and we get that guy (maybe gabbert) or we trade the pick, end up with gabbert a little later, and get a 2nd rounder.

by usana_gaines on Feb 27, 2011 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

Stop speaking in absolutes.

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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 27, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

thank you, someone else gets it

For those reading: its not that you have a differing opinion that pisses people off, its that you try to word it like a politician would. Show a little humbleness about your opinion and more people will respect your words.

by ppalm on Feb 27, 2011 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

should i care

what you think? you say more people will respect my words. that’s absurd. everyone on here posts their opinion, and i post mine. if you look at what i wrote, i don’t disrespect anyone or insult anyone, and i back my opinions up. and when i say something that is purely my opinion, or based on what i think will happen, or hope will happen, i say that. so if you can’t respect that, it doesn’t even matter.

i will continue to speak and write like i want to. why should i change? for you? really? i don’t think so.

by usana_gaines on Feb 28, 2011 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, you should care, and here's why.

When you speak in absolutes, it makes you sound like a dick. And no one listens to or likes a dick. So really, you’re doing yourself a disservice if you want people to listen to what you have to say, because people generally don’t like listening to dicks.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Feb 28, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

you don't post your opinion, you post a campaign ad for your favorite player

There is a big difference between stating your opinion in a humble manner, letting it do the talking itself, and making baseless claims with the goal of convincing others. All of your opinions are backed up by bold-faced assumptions, not facts: “cam will be the #1 overall pick” … “I guarantee you that Newton’s passing wil be phenomenal in his pro day” … “newton will throw a lot better at his pro day and run a faster 40” … “fairley will still be hurt, and aj green will still be slower .” All of these are opinions, stated as facts, an dmakes you look like an ass

And this gem: “there’s been no mention of gabbert being invited to carolina, and i think he only gets invited if newton fails to impress at his pro day” – he’s already been interviewed by the Panthers, don’t spout lies.

by ppalm on Feb 28, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I want to expand on this a little

Reading over it all, I’m sure it comes off as abrasive and you feel like you’re being targeted. Its not you specifically, but a behavior that’s been prevalent on this site in the past month. I do respect your opinion, and I can see you’re optimistic about Newton, but the campaigning approach is creating constant “us vs. them” flamewars in several threads. This goes for multiple players and posters, past and present. It doesn’t add anything and makes people put up walls out of instinct, making the discussions less than enjoyable. Part of communicating is respecting other’s opinions – if you didn’t care what others thought, you wouldn’t be posting here trying to convince them.

by ppalm on Feb 28, 2011 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd.

This is what I feel we need to get back to.

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by Flowing Willow on Feb 28, 2011 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If you got two shut down corners which side do you throw to? Still say peterson is in the mix. There is no tru number 1 qb this year and both gabbert and newton wouldn’t go in the first in the last couple of drafts the media is tying so desperately to get a qb go number one cause of the story line that everyone seems to look past the obviously bad mechanics of both qbs and instead riding the hype train I say bring in a vet and ride clausen for a few games shore up our defense this draft where all the talent is this year then if need be grab one of the better qb prospects next year I just don’t want to see us reach for a qb this year but I will trust in our front office to do their job whether I agree or not. Go PANTHERS!!!! In Hurney I trust

by taichong on Feb 27, 2011 5:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Forgot to finish. ride clausen to see if anything is there and if nothing is there start the vet and prepare for next years draft

by taichong on Feb 27, 2011 6:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

+1

Agreed I have said it a million times their is no QB in this draft better than Clausen at this current moment. Spread Opt QB generally struggle with the exact same things that Newton struggle with today at the combine. Everyone wants to but the next big thing label on this kid similar to T. Tebow a year ago but the fact is he is not NFL ready and needs to watch, learn, and ride the bench for at least one season.

I agree that Panthers should just sign a B. Volek type and have him start b.c. he already knows the offense. Secondly Clausen could spot start as well, if we are hell bent on taking a QB in the first round we would be better off trading down to #5 say were the Cards are (unless they pay the kings ransom to acquire Kolb from the Eagles) and allow them to fly up and take Newton or trade with the Bengals.

Would you give up our 1st rounder for C. palmer at his stage of his career ? Sounds interesting right. Bengals do goofy things in the draft but still this is a pipe dream b.c. Palmer is no longer being shopped and their is no CBA deal in place.

So back to square one if we want a QB trade down, reacquire our second pick so we could hopefully land E. Rudolph kid from ND-TE who is the cream of the crop is this weak draft class at the TE positon. Heck the draft is so weak if we traded down enough I would take Rudolph in the first and then a QB in the second.

R. Mallet, B. Gabbert, A. Dalton are safer picks then Newton at this point ! Still if we got Newton I would be okay with it just not super excited b.c. it would be another year of a rookie QB learning a new to adjust to the speed of the NFL game in Carolina.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Feb 27, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

When you say there are no QB's that are better than Clausen

Do you mean that none of the QB’s could start day one, or that none of them have the ability to eventually start over him?

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

well

Well Im still on the Cam train. The fact he ran the 40 in 4.59 being 250 pounds and 6’6 was impressive. Ryan Mallet is Ryan Leaf 2.0, i dont like or trust that kid one iota. infact if it came down to it id rather keep Clausen then take Mallet after seeing that awful press conference Mallet gave yesterday. Kid just looks seedy also.

Lets not forget that in the NFL Cam will be throwing passes to receivers that will practice with constantly and be use to throwing to. Im not a blind cam follower as much as I do support him, if he fails at his pro day, has bad interviews or pulls a Ryan Mallet douchebag press conference then yes ill change my opinon on him.
Until then, hes still my 1st pick for us.

by PantherTrain on Feb 27, 2011 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

So let me get this straight...

Ryan Mallett’s character concerns bother you, but Cam Newton’s character concerns don’t?

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

.....................

I don’t get why people ignore.

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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 27, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

The Combine is a difficult environment to throw in...

Even when you’re throwing to great route runners, which clearly wasn’t the case today. I don’t ding Cam too badly for his throwing today but it does raise more questions about his accuracy. Even if Cam has a great day throwing the ball on his pro day, there will still be questions about his accuracy which. Accuracy, work ethic, and a mental mastery of the game are the most important aspects of the game. Lacking any one of them will lead to a QBs failure in the NFL.

by patosan on Feb 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

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BWS what bothers me is Ryan Mallet was asked if he did drugs and refused multiple times to answer. Im sorry, but if you get asked if you do or did drugs and straight up refuse to answer thats more of a red flag. Atleast with Newton we know what he did and didnt do and he actually ANSWERED the questions at his press conference.

by PantherTrain on Feb 27, 2011 6:22 PM EST reply actions  

IIRC...

Mallett said he would talk to teams face to face about the allegations of drug use. What’s wrong with doing that instead of putting it out there for the media to spin any way they want to?

And for the record, I’m not advocating we draft Ryan Mallett. I just find it a bit hypocritical that character concerns only apply to one QB and not all of them.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

This

I actually thought Mallett handled his presser pretty well. He’s not the most well-spoken individual, but he answered the questions he was asked and did what I’d expect anyone to do in the face of allegations of drug use.

And for the reference, he never tested positive for anything at Arkansas. The only thing concrete on him is the drunk in public arrest.

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by Jake Humphrey on Feb 27, 2011 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I know it's gossip right now, but I wonder...

what would’ve happened if they did follicle test on him in college? I find the cocaine charges a lot easier to believe (since it’s waaaaaayyy easier to pass a piss test with coke than weed); more than anything though, he seem flustered by a lot of the questions, even the football related ones…if you’re asked about how you’re going to translate to the NFL, I don’t think simply regurgitating your stats over the past 2 years really answers anything (aside from confirming that you are, in fact, most likely a douchebag).

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by Tomthehomer on Feb 27, 2011 6:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Tom Brady's a douchebag...

But Patriots fans don’t seem to mind his three SB rings.

(Not comparing Mallett to Brady, per se. But, if you win you can be the biggest douchebag in the world and no one cares.)

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate Tom Brady as much as anyone...

but I don’t see him as a douchebag; Mallet already has questions surrounding his ability to perform under pressure, and the media Q&A seemed to do more to solidify that claim more than anything…

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by Tomthehomer on Feb 27, 2011 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I've read that if NFL teams ask a question about a concern they already know the answer

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by Vagus on Feb 27, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Newton’s day pretty much confirmed what I had already believed. He’s a project who won’t see the field his first year.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 27, 2011 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

If games are played, he will see the field this year.

You can bank on that. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him start 8-10 games.

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by ALAC on Feb 27, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

If he does, it won’t be a good idea. Dude would benefit from holding the clipboard.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 27, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you.

I just don’t see it happening. Frankly, it’s beginning to be the exception, more than the rule in the NFL. Teams want instant payback from their draft picks. You either put up or it’s next man up. Sad but true.

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by ALAC on Feb 27, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah. Yes, that is most certainly true. I have to wonder how many possibly promising careers that might ruin though. I really think GB has the right idea with the development of Rodgers.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 27, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Pass....

We already have an inaccurate high draft pick of a QB, we don’t need another. 11-21? Dear God!

by Blahbla on Feb 27, 2011 7:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It's Gabbert all the way.

It isn’t even close between those two at this point. Gabbert was the first player the team interviewed, I believe, and I can’t see anything derailing his progress over the next two months. Gabbert is Golden.

by robert ethan on Feb 27, 2011 7:18 PM EST reply actions  

The Best QB in this draft

Is Christian Ponder. Why he’s not getting the press, I don’t know. This kid will be a very efficient QB in the league.

by Blahbla on Feb 27, 2011 7:27 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't win Heisman or BCS bowl.

Thats why.

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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 27, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Could not agree with you more.

by OKADA on Feb 27, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

General inconsistency while at FSU, Big Injury concerns...

combine these two with some good but not great FSU records recently and voila! You have Christian Ponder’s draft status…

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by Tomthehomer on Feb 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his injury concerns are the main reason.

I like Ponder. He greatly impressed me at the Senior Bowl, and I think he would be a steal if he’s available in the 3rd round.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yesterday, I was going back and forth between the 2 cameras...

And I was doing other things in between. So I missed some of the throwing. Also, NFLN did a horrible job of airing camera angles showing both the QB and the WR at the same time.

For anyone who did see Ponder look throwing yesterday, how was he? Footwork? Accuracy? Throwing motion?

Because I thought he easily had the best showing of the QBs at the Senior Bowl, and from what I have seen, he looks like he’ll will be a steal simply because of going lower because of a past injury (and FSU as a whole).

by jamiedk on Feb 28, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Cam's Stock

Lifelong Panthers fan here (NC native who is a graduate student living in AL). Cam’s combine results should (in no way) dissuade us. This season I watched all but three home games at Jordan-Hare, viewed Cam’s numerous post-game interviews, observed Chizik and Malzahn’s critique of him as a player and a person.

First, Cam has an intellectual capability that exceeds almost all previously made QB comparisons. We’re not talking about JaMarcus Russell here. The Vick and Young comparisons also are unfounded. Cam is smarter that all of them. He will adapt to the NFL game, the reads, the playbook, the speed/decision-making. Although I expect his Wonderlic to be better than average…I think we all know the criticism with that test (in the event of a lower than expected score).

Second, Rivera and Co. will see that this guy is ready and willing to work . Cam did everything that was asked while he was at Auburn. Chizik is reliable and accurate about his assessment of players. Sure, Cam was his guy. But he’ll backup any criticism about Cam’s work ethic. Even if drafted No. 1, the guaranteed money won’t impair his desire to be better, or to make the Panthers better.

I certainly understand the concerns – (limited body of work throwing the ball and arrogance/overconfidence). Whatever. I was devastated when Luck decided to go back to Stanford, but we’ll regret not drafting Newton. Billick – “I just can’t recall a player of Cam’s make-up that was ever successful in the NFL.” We’ll….6’6, 245, OLB build with solid QB skill-set. Those guys don’t come around too often.

by Shogun13 on Feb 27, 2011 7:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Dante Culpepper was successful for a short period of time

I’m still not sure whether his demise was brought on by injury or if his success was predicated on having 2 future HoFers at WR, a third really good receiver and an outstanding running back.

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by Vagus on Feb 27, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

*Daunte

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by Vagus on Feb 27, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Culpepper ran his 40 in 4.6 and had a 36 inch vertical

at 6’4" 260lbs

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by Vagus on Feb 27, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not a Cam Fan, but...

I think what cam has done in the combine has elevated his stock. Passing drills with receivers you haven’t worked with is a big difference than throwing to a teammate. You practice and play with a teammate and are familure with how he makes his cuts and what his top speed is running a skinny post. His performance in the drills showcased how atheletic he is. His performance in front of the press was better than I expected. His mechanics can be coached up…not a problem. What still impresses me is how many games this past season that his team was down 2 or 3 scores and he led them back(the Alabama game was one and there were others against good teams). Yes he ran a lot and played from the shotgun… but he also threw a lot and hit clutch passes as well as bombs down field. The kid impresses me and although I’d like to see us go for Luck next year if Clausen doesn’t step it up(it makes sense for us to get a FA QB), I will support RonRon’s and Hurndogs decision if they select Cam with the first pick(I still want Nick Flair).

by Blackandbluetrue on Feb 27, 2011 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Cam Newton is a great athlete, especially for a man of his size...but I no longer entertain ideas of spending our #1 pick on him.

The following is lifted from PFT, so I can’t attest, first-hand, to its being verbatim quotes…but assuming it is, it raises big warning flags to me, that are totally unrelated to allegations of cheating, or of his ability to read defenses:

“"I underestimated the timing aspect of playing quarterback," Newton told NFL Network. "You had receivers from the SEC, the SWAC, the MAC. . . . I was somewhat frustrated, but at the same time, I was having fun out there."

In the same NFL Network appearance, Marshall Faulk needled Newton about his infamous "entertainer and icon" comment, and Newton tried his best to put that comment in perspective.

"My response [to Sport Illustrated‘s Peter King] was, I view myself as that due to the fact that I’m not only going to just be selling football cleats, I’m going to be selling lifestyle apparel — everything else," he said. "I could have picked way more [different] words to express what I really wanted to say. I want to personally apologize to everybody who was offended about it.""

1) the timing aspects of playing QB shouldn’t be coming as any ‘surprise’ to a #1 pick in the draft. If he didn’t know that was important before this, it scares the hell out of me.

2) his comment about where the WRs came from is tantamount to throwing them under the bus, as if it’s all their fault he either overthrew them, or waited too long to release the ball. It’s not the leadership you want from your #1 pick to shrug off responsibility. He should have kept his mouth shut, and quietly vowed to do better in the future.

3) apologizing to “everybody” isn’t personal. It’s that tired old apology we’ve all gotten, “sorry if I hurt your feelings.”

4) and most importantly, the crack, “I’m going to be selling lifestyle apparel.” Damn, that makes it all okay to him, doesn’t it? Like, hawking more than just shoes makes him an icon. Maybe your #1 pick should think that winning for your team might be more important than his endorsement contracts, huh?

We need a franchise QB, like Rivera said – but it better not be this budding diva.

by bigdavis on Feb 27, 2011 11:03 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Big D

The Interview is on NFL.com please check it out…not nearly as bad as reading the transcript. I didn’t think he threw anyone but himself under the bus we I watched it. Give my dude anothe shot with an open mind. I’m not even saying I’m 100% convinced to take him but I’m well into the 90’s.

by rawjem01 on Feb 27, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched that segment on NFLN, bigdavis...

And those quotes are pretty much verbatim. It didn’t sit well with me, either. I don’t think he’s #1 pick worthy, and I don’t think he’s mature enough to be a leader of men on a football field.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The quotes are accurate

But they did not feel the same as when Jimmy threw his receiver under the bus last summer. It seemed to me as he was saying he was unprepared for working with people with slightly different timing. He accepted the fact that he wasn’t a consistent passer when throwing to a route, rather than a receiver.

As far as the “icon” quote, if Cam’s story is true, Peter King is an asshole and should be fired. That was such a blatant misquote and setup that it can only be attributed to bias. Peter king asked Cam about his endorsement deal and used that quote to paint a picture of the man as a whole, that is totally unacceptable.

The quote that bothered BigD the most, to me is the most innocent. "I’m going to be selling lifestyle apparel." He is. Cam won’t be just “hawking more than just shoes,” he is selling a brand and a life style choice. That is 100% true. Like soccer kids and Run DMC who “only” wear Adidas. That is a lifestyle. Big D, just because you don’t project yourself thru a brand (good call) doesn’t mean that a large part of society doesn’t. In fact, the lifestyle choice quote smells like a marketing departments quote, not Cam’s. If you want to get mad at Cam for that quote, you probably are more upset with a certain marketing segment of the population and are taking it out on Cam Newton.

I’m still not sure who our first pick should be, but I didn’t see anything that showed me that Newton should not be that guy as long as he is not expected to start game one.

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Marketing segment of the population??

I’m not knocking the Under Armour brand (I bet I wore it before you even heard of it, about 5 years ago, when all they made were thermals) or the millions who wear their stuff.

I’m knocking the fact that their lead spokesman is defining his role in society as being their face man, or pitch man (wait til the commercials start), rather than as the QB of some NFL team. First things first. Make yourself a star in the NFL…THEN be an icon for your product.

To understand whether the statement was a ‘mistake’ or not, one first has to understand what he meant by it. I said at the time that he was referring to his endorsement contract, and probably got the word ‘icon’ from the proposal meeting they had with him and his agent – they were telling him he’d be an icon. But not for his football.

by bigdavis on Feb 28, 2011 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I have a degree in marketing and advertising

I look at people a weird way now. And I know "of the population’ was redundant.

I guess he sees himself as an entertainer, as all the guys on the stage did at the time. Did you notice that he didn’t say icon again, and Eisen and Faulk backed him up for saying it the first time?

I understand that we want a leader and a great player when we find our QB, but I think a lot of people are reading too much into what he is saying. Is he entitled kid who needs to prove himself? Probably. But he is charismatic as hell too.

As far as Cam defining himself, I too would have liked to see him talk about himself in more of a leadership role and less as a face man as well. Unfortunately that is not where the interview went. It seemed kinda puff ball, but that was what Total Access was pitching him. As far as how I personally feel about the guy, if his skill can match up to his charisma and athletic potential, I would pull the trigger today. But if not, later Cam.

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We must also keep in mind who's throwing this party.

Under Armour has hired Cam Newton to be their spokesperson.

It is also a fact that they are the sole sponsors of the 2011 NFL Scouting Combine. Every single product placement at the combine is their icon }-{ (best I can do with this keyboard).

It is not absurd to think that they might have some influence on what is said or asked by the talking heads whose salaries for this gig are being paid by them.

Now…as to my beef to how this plays out with Newton himself: He has said, at other times, that his prime goal was to be the best football player he can be. That’s an easy speech to memorize. Why then, when he was attempting to explain his ‘entertainer/icon’ phrase, did he not expand on that goal of being a FOOTBALL icon? – rather than expanding on what lines of apparel he was going to pimp? I thought it showed his motivation might be diluted by his corporate affiliation, and if so, it will eventually show up in his play. The coaches talk of the private interview process, and the psychological testing, being used to ferret out those college players whose goals are to own the fancy cars, wear the fancy clothes and the bling, and be satisfied with those trappings of success – from the ones whose motivation is to excel, and help their teams win championships. I may be wrong, but I thought Newton’s statements show an insight into his work ethic. JMO.

Oi, my degree was in Bus Adm, and I was an investment exec for 28 years. I don’t know advertising like you do, per se, but I know everything is a business, and $ makes the world go round, but I still retain these boyish fantasies that our sports heroes are more motivated by performance excellence than by their contracts.

If you’re holding the #1 Draft Pick, you better avoid the guy that might just be in it for the money and the glory, rather than the team results. I realize ALL these guys have egos, but I just want the guy who’s the hungriest to succeed, not the one who might be spending the most time in front of the mirror.

by bigdavis on Feb 28, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I get your point

And after watching him in a few interviews I can only guess his problem is that he does not interview very well (yet). He only has one year of on TV experience and that is sideline questions, where reporters can generally be expected to clean up grammar. When he goes off on his own you can tell he is not very good at making a point on air.

When he smiles he reminds me of Keyshawn Johnson though. You can tell the kid has a ton of charisma that, if he is as smart as I am hearing, can eventually turn him into a star. But at the moment I don’t think he has been trained how to take control of an interview yet. Maybe that’s a good thing though. Hopefully it means he is focusing more on his game and less on his marketability.

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by Oi2dwrld on Mar 1, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Gabbert? I’m starting to become more fond of him, assuming a DT doesn’t impress.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 27, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Gabba Gabba Gabbert.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN! (Greg Hardy)
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by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 27, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Which can be attained by kissing the Blainey Stone.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 27, 2011 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Bravo

I facepalmed at the ‘gift of gabb’ but ‘kissing of the blainey stone’ got me to lol.

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by James Dator on Feb 27, 2011 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

.........

RELEASE THE KRAKEN! (Greg Hardy)
The Official Blaine Gabbert Bandwagon Starts Here!™

by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 27, 2011 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It's the Blarney Stone, and guys, I've actually kissed it.

Went to Ireland 26 years ago (In County Cork sits Blarney Castle) and kissed the Stone. They give you a certificate, and it guarantees the gift of eloquence.

You have to lie on your back, and be supported while you hang over the edge of the wall, to reach the Stone. Here’s a pic, and the story of the castle. Fun thing to do if you’re in Ireland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blarney_Stone

by bigdavis on Feb 28, 2011 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

They don't give you the certificate any more

Went for my honeymoon 3 1/2 years ago. Still awesome though.

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by Oi2dwrld on Mar 1, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not really seeing it either

It isn’t so much that Newton did anything especially wrong today, but rather that I saw Gabbert close the gap athletically so dramatically.

Gabbert was just 0.03 slower in the 40, 1.5" less in the vertical, 6" less in the broad jump, while being faster in the 3 cone drill (important for foot speed in the pocket).

You couple just slightly less impressive athleticism with a better passer, more film and no character concerns and Gabbert really is starting to impress. I’m starting to see the Aaron Rodgers comparisons, and I think he’ll show a Matthew Stafford arm at his pro day.

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by James Dator on Feb 27, 2011 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm at the train station...

But I’m going to wait until after his pro day before I buy my ticket.

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by BW Smith on Feb 28, 2011 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Everything is happening like I thought it would.

He would slowly rise to show that has #1 QB potential.
Now to await the Pro-Day of our new savior or villain.

Also all that subliminal photoshopped images must have work-, err nevermind.

by RjTheMetalhead on Feb 28, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't agree with this...

because i can’t see myself pulling for a QB who wouldn’t even throw at the combine. Newton’s proday will probably be just as good as Gabberts will be, but I like the fact that Newton wasn’t afraid to take his talents to the combine.

He could have easily done the same but to me that shows heart and a willingness to excel.

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by Caro2daheart... on Feb 28, 2011 8:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Or... to play Devil's Advocate:

Blaine Gabbert is self assured in his skills enough that he doesn’t feel the need to get two chances to show off his arm.

Who’s more confident in his abilities? The guy who needs to prove himself to scouts, or the guy who thinks he’ll show enough in one shot?

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by James Dator on Feb 28, 2011 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Blame his handlers, not him

The team that represents him recommends NOT throwing at the combine, so timing issues (Newton, anyone?) do not end up causing the QB to look bad.

Rather than having to project what a QB and WR will look like after practicing for a while, everyone gets to see a finished product.

by panthersnbraves on Feb 28, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I would think that if Newton was really that confident in his abilities, he wouldn’t have to make excuses about the receivers he was throwing to sucking.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 28, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

When did he say that?

I remember him saying they were not coming out as fast as he thought they would, but I don’t remember him saying they sucked.

Do you think they sucked?

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

My vernacular is what it is.

by SlayerGhaleon on Feb 28, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

so like a John Fox answer

It is pointless?

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

He threw those guys under the bus, and it made him look bad, at least to me.

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by BW Smith on Feb 28, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I wish the title of the post was...

Newton fails to solidify himself as the Panthers #1 pick!!!

by rawjem01 on Feb 27, 2011 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Oi2dwrld on Feb 28, 2011 8:48 AM EST up reply actions  

...

Does anyone know where I can view the combine workout vids?! I want to see Mallet’s throwing session along with Cam’s but i cant find it anywhere not even on youtube!

by PantherTrain on Feb 27, 2011 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

NFL.com had a live feed of it...

They should have highlights.

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by BW Smith on Feb 27, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm having a hard time getting excited about any of this.

I don’t think anyone has laid claim to the #1 pick. Maybe because I am of the trade back camp? I see more value in a trade back, even at a discounted rate than selecting any ONE of the players being discussed.
Additionally, I think much of the heated discussions being engaged in is because people are all in on a player while someone else is just as enamoured with someone else. I believe this confirms my belief that a case can correctly be made for many of the players available.
I do enjoy reading posts giving reasoned opinions on why one player should take precedence above another. I’m hoping all the negative posts and namecalling subsides and everyone decides that disagreements don’t need to be personal or worthy of the contempt.

by GooseCreek on Feb 28, 2011 9:10 AM EST reply actions  

Because there are other things that take over it.

More combine recaps, etc.

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by BW Smith on Mar 1, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that should change. Good threads get lost at the bottom of the Home Page...

whereas crap threads that don’t get many replies or interest at all can sit there for a week on the right hand sidebar, where they’re more readily seen.

Seems to me that when a popular thread like this one drops to the bottom, it’s overlooked from further comment by a lot of readers.

Compare those at the bottom, now, with the dogs that are still on the sidebar.

This thread, as an example, has almost 90 comments, yet disappears to the bottom after 2 days, whereas a post like “ESPN Analyst Lets Slip…” has 8 posts and stays on the right sidebar for 4 days already. ??? Am I the only one who thinks the bottom is ‘out of sight, out of mind’?

by bigdavis on Mar 1, 2011 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

One difference is that the posts on the right are fanposts, and the ones that are only listed on the front page are stories. I don’t know if Jaxon or James can add a block to the sidebar to keep featured stories in view (I don’t have that capability as an Editor), but I can ask on your behalf, because you do bring up a very good point.

I will run it by Jaxon and James for you.

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by BW Smith on Mar 2, 2011 12:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I have my front page set to fifteen or so, the max setting.

But tbh I just go to the Archives and scroll down now, that way I don’t miss anything.

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by Flowing Willow on Mar 2, 2011 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

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