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If you haven't been reading Carolina Growl.com lately, you should! Steve Reed is doing a five-part series entitled the "State of the Panthers". It seems Carolina is coming out of the shadows with the media and revealing some of the things the team will do to improve. In the past Carolina would have never revealed the style of offense they would employ, especially after a major coaching overhaul. I guess the cloak and daggers act has been lifted for the time being. Of course, the team woon't reveal everything they are doing, but its nice as a fan to have more information than "just day-to-day" or "it what it is". Sorry had to get a Foxism in there somewhere. Take a look at the article from Carolinagrowl.com.  below after the jump (I also interject some commentary in there as well.)

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STATE OF THE PANTHERS (Part 2): Panthers will pattern offense after Chargers E-mail
Written by Steve Reed
ednesday, February 09, 2011 4:59 pm
When you think of the Carolina Panthers’ offense next season, envision the San Diego Chargers.
   Well, at least that’s the team the Panthers hope to model their offensive blueprint after, although certain variations and tweaks are inevitable based on the personnel on hand.
   The Chargers didn’t make the playoffs last season but did finish first in total offense.
   Rob Chudzinski, who worked as San Diego’s tight ends coach last season, will run Carolina’s offense and he’ll bring several qualities from his former team, including the long overdue incorporation of the tight end into the passing game.
   "That will be the system," general manager Marty Hurney said of the Panthers expected emulation of the Chargers offense. "You can take the same system and different teams can run it and have different identities and different personalities with it. But yes, that will be the system we bring offensively."
  

Commentary: It should be interesting to see how our personnel will fit into the mold of a San Diego style offense. We have the running backs and O-line( when healthy) but lack the Tight End and Quarterback. But as least the tight end will do more than just block! That position has been under used since Wesley Walls was a Panther. The Tight End can be a Quarterback's best friend and Jimmy may need a couple of those after a dismal 2010 season. One thing is for sure this position will definitely be addressed. The question is who can fill these voids? 

   In 2010, Chargers quarterback Phillip Rivers threw for a career-high 4,710 yards and 30 touchdowns, running backs Mike Tolbert and Ryan Mathews combined for 18 touchdown runs and tight end Antonio Gates caught 50 passes for 782 yards and 10 scores despite missing six games with an injury. Third-down back Darren Sproles led the team with 59 catches, but was one of 13 players with at least 10 catches last season as Rivers spread the ball around on a well-balanced attack.

   Of course, the big challenge for the Panthers will be getting the pieces in place to run the Chargers system.

And that means finding a quarterback who plays with confidence and can make plays in the passing game, a tight end that can stretch the field, throwing more to the backs out of the backfield and making sure receivers get open and make big plays downfield.

   The most pressing need, obviously, is at quarterback.

Commentary: Those statistics are staggering. Could you imagine that type of offensive output from our Panthers?  I wouldnt believe it if I saw it with my own eyes. The type of personnel we have now seem better suited for that style of offense. More uptempo and unpredicatable. I think we will see how valuable Mike Goodson will become to this offense. He can catch out of the backfield better than DeAngelo or Jonathan. Just get Mike in space and let him work. I am sure we will see him lined up at receiver sometimes.This new coaching staff will find ways to get our playmakers on the field. Armanti, I hope you just read that last statement.   The only pieces we are missing are the Quarterback and Tight End. the question is that we may or may not already have them in house. Gettis and LaFell will improve drastically in their 2nd years. Especially with all the starting the experience they gathered last year. Each put up decent numbers for rookies in a run based offense. Imagine what they could do in a more pass friendly atmosphere?      

 Last year’s rookies Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike are under contract and will be joining the Panthers at training camp, but the team is expected to add either a veteran signal caller either through free agency or via trade. It’s possible, although not likely, they could add a rookie quarterback through the NFL draft like Auburn’s Cam Newton.

   Either way, it’s pretty clear the Panthers haven’t completely hitched their wagon to Clausen as evidenced by the team acknowledging it would have drafted Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck with the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft had he come out early.

   "Obviously this is a quarterback league and you look at the teams that have made the playoffs and have won the Super Bowl and they have consistent, high-level play at the quarterback position, so we have to get that kind of play at the quarterback position," Hurney said.   "We feel like we have some young players that have been there that have ability and I think we have to do whatever we can to create competition and get players in here and help us get some consistent play out of that position."

   Rivers' backup Billy Volek is one option, although at 32 he’s admittedly not the long-term answer.

Commentary: BillyVolek anyone? Seems more and more he maybe in Charlotte very soon. He knows the Chargers system and can play with confidence. He has done pretty well when called upon in his spot duty with the Titans and Chargers. Would be a great mentor to Jimmy and Tony. Chudz will definitely lobby for Volek. It just makes sense. This type of offense should help Jimmy Clausen or whoever is Quarterback. They will have plenty of options in the pass game while also giving the defense different looks . We may actually pass on first down! Wow... 

 There aren’t any big-name free agents available at this point although it’s expected Donovan McNabb and Vince Young will both be released. Carolina could also look for a trade and two hot names are Denver’s Kyle Orton and Philadelphia’s Kevin Kolb, although the latter may be too pricey.

   Hurney said it’s too early in the process to know which way the Panthers will turn at quarterback.

  "I think it starts with the quarterbacks we have here," Hurney said. "The quarterbacks we have here definitely have the potential to compete for that spot. And then you go outside and you look at all of the areas – the draft, free agency and trades – just like we do at every position. We will look at every avenue."

Commentary: " We will look at every avenue." Could Carolina actually go after someone like Vince Young? I mean, I know he had some issues in Tennessee but he is a winner and relatively young. Definitely has the "confidence" that Hurney spoke of earlier in the article. Sometimes a change of scenery can do a world of difference for a player. At this point Carolina seems to be doing business a little different than usual. We can only sit back and see how this quarterback issue will be addressed. But I will say this, I don't care who the Quarterback is as long as we can get good consistent play out of that position.

    Although Clausen remains the great unknown, Hurney isn’t about to give up on him after one unproductive season.

   Clausen struggled through his rough rookie campaign, going 1-9 as a starter last season and finishing with the league’s worst quarterback rating. That didn’t instill much hope in Carolina fans, but Hurney said it’s hard to judge him on last season.

   "There have been a few guys who’ve come in right away and played well as rookies when everything around them has been good — i.e., Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco," Hurney said. "There are more examples of good quarterbacks in this league that have struggled when young, especially in their rookie seasons.

   "There are a lot of things we need to improve, especially on the offensive side of the ball, so you can’t just attribute that all to the quarterback position."

   Hurney said he saw "flashes" from Clausen last season.

   Flashes like when Clausen completed a fourth-and-4 pass against the New Orleans Saints on Carolina’s final drive, although the comeback bid fell just a little short. Flashes like at Cleveland when Clausen led a final frantic drive to get the Panthers in field goal range, only to have John Kasay miss the game-winning kick.

   "I think that you have to say that’s enough to say the jury is still out on him," Hurney said of Clausen.

   One thing is for certain, no matter who’s playing quarterback for the Panthers, he’ll be getting some help this offseason.

Commentary: I still think Clausen can be a good Quarterback. He just needs time and mentorship. Neither of which he had last year. But in hindsight that disasterous season maybe what Clausen needed. To see how much work it truly takes to be a successful NFL Quarterback. I think no one expected him to play lights out his rookie year but no one expected him to play as bad as he did. He has shown flashes but not many. But it can't all be put on his shoulders. The whole offense underperformed. I think now that he will, at some point this offseason, have a veteran in his ear giving him advice on how to improve. Clausen has actual Quarterback coach and offensive coordinator that won't "run, run, pass".  He should and will do better. How much is to be determined. 

   Hurney feels good about the team’s offensive line and its running backs, but made it clear the team is looking to add a playmaking tight end and see some improvement at wide receiver.

   The Chargers have Gates, a perennial Pro Bowl tight end who averaged 78 catches per season from 2003-09.

   The Panthers are looking for someone to give them that same type of production at tight end, and in all likelihood the team will look outside the organization at potential free agents like Zach Miller from Oakland and Owen Daniels from Tennessee for help.

 "In different offenses there are different qualities you look for at different positions and I think in the offense we’re going to run a pass receiving tight end would have a big impact," Hurney said.

Commentary: We have Rosario who is a decent pass catcher. Barnidge has shown flashes to stretch the field. Jeff King maybe a casualty based on what the new coaching regime wants. Though King has proven he can be a decent red zone threat. The Panthers may draft a tight end or pluck one from free agency. I guess we will see in April or whenever a new CBA is reached. But what we do know is the idea of "getting it done by committee" with this current group of Tight Ends is gone! 

     The Panthers drafted three receivers last year in Brandon LaFell, David Gettis and Armanti Edwards, and they liked the play of Wallace Wright before he sustained a shoulder injury in the preseason.

   But the big question at that position surrounds the uncertain future of four-time Pro Bowl wide receiver Steve Smith.

   We’ll have Hurney’s take on that as well as other impending personnel decisions tomorrow.

Commentary: Especially with the hiring of Fred Graves and Ricky Proehl, the Panthers have created a more Smith-friendly environment. Hurney is stubborn. He will not trade Smith unless Smith makes a huge fuss, which isnt in his nature. From reading other articles and reading how Steve met with coaching the staff, I think the new coaching staff is really trying to sell the idea of how integral Smith will be in this offense. Smith knows he is important to the organization. I just don't see Steve Smith leaving this year with all the accomodations made to not only help the offense but him especially.   

Poll
Can Jimmy Clausen be our Phillip Rivers?
Yes with the right pieces around him
146 votes
No he is mediocre at best. New QB pleae
169 votes
Maybe if given time to sit and learn
201 votes

516 votes | Poll has closed

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hey do you happen to have those articles about smitty and the staff?

i wonder if hes excited about them as he was when moose came home

by pantherpride on Feb 10, 2011 6:32 PM EST reply actions  

Well I for one am very excited about this.

I hate the Chargers, but their offense was very exciting to watch. I hope Rivera and Chud can mold our offense into an exciting one as well.

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 10, 2011 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

If Jimmy passes for 4,710 yards

At his current average of 5.2 YPA, and a completion record of 52.5%, that would come out to aprox 1600 passes for a 16 game schedule. 904 passes completed per season and 52.5 completed per game.
I hope we don’t go to the postseason or his freaking arm will fall off.

If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Feb 10, 2011 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Too bad it's not like iRobot

where will smith has his entire arm rebuilt into a robotic arm hybrid. Do you imagine the stiff arms Clausen could pull off with the extra strength?!?!

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 10, 2011 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it possible that Clausen's dismal YPA was a reflection of Davidson's scheme?

I know this has been beaten to death over the last 3 months or so, but if you watch the offensive schemes Davidson put in place, Clausen and Moore were expected to call run, run, short pass, run, run, long play-action bomb. The scheme would have been ingenious if the right players were in place (2008), but with a rookie QB, and 2 rookie WRs, there wasn’t much chance of any success with that approach. This is the reason Clausen was chucking and ducking all season.

Under the new system, I hope his completion percentage will improve, and as a result his YPA will improve as well. I’m not trying to put Clausen in the same category as Rivers, but we can’t deny the system in which a QB plays is critical to his success.

Ron Rivera, the Most Interesting Coach in the World. Stay thirsty my friends!

by Tarheel Soldier on Feb 11, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

I was joking. But I’m not ready to come close to saying Clausen is better than most teams’ back ups yet. Let alone Philip Rivers.

If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Feb 11, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

a Philip Rivers.

If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Feb 11, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

did they say they were going to addess the WR spot

i thought they were happy with the young guys they drafted. not to mention the guys that they have and went to IR

by pantherpride on Feb 10, 2011 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, IMO we have the purrrrfect peices for the Chargers offensive system...

J-Stew is the perfect Ryan Mathews/LT and Goodson is a great Sproles type change of pace/receiving RB. Don’t know where D-Will will fit in if resigned, but he seems to be an anomoly to the SD Charger Offense, so that could bring a twist to the model. Our WRs though also fit the mold in having big tall WRs that can get Vertical. Not sure how Smitty fits in, but we’ll see. Actually, IMO Clausen is the biggest winner from this deal, because this system is going to suit him perfectly. And finally Gary Barnidge and Dante Rosario can get vertical as well and be great receiving threats. Really looking forward to seeing it altogether!

by jkp1516 on Feb 10, 2011 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

State of the Panthers > State of the Union

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

by Revshawn on Feb 10, 2011 10:30 PM EST reply actions  

+1

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by Ivan459 on Feb 11, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Who are you huh? What… who…. where do you get off saying something unfounded like that? He is the next Rivers man!

/sarcasm

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by Ivan459 on Feb 11, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Steve Reed but.....

There’s been better discussion of the new offense on this board than in his “5-part series.” He has told us very little that I didn’t already know. It’s a rehash of what’s been said in the background stories on the new coaches. I wish local sports reporters would get the idea that fans can keep up on the internet and “wrapups” don’t have the value they once had. They need to bring something fresh and of value with each new story.

by Tab Loyd on Feb 11, 2011 8:00 AM EST reply actions  

Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco Comparisons

Anybody know when those were annointed the starters? Did they have most/all of training camp reps with the starters? Did they start on Opening Day?

Pickles was supposed to be a clipboard stand, and got shoved in, taken out, and back in again with a changing cast of WR’s. I’m curious if the comparison can be supported.

by panthersnbraves on Feb 11, 2011 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Here ya go

Ben Rothleisburger (11th Overall) – Started Week 3 Rookie Season. 17TD 11INT rookie season.
Matt Ryan (3rd Overall) – Started Week 1 Rookie Season. 16TD 11INT rookie season.Joe Flacco (18th Overall) – Started Week 1 Rookie Season. 14TD 12INT rookie season.

You can see all the 1st and 2nd round QB’s since 1997 here if you’d like to peruse:

http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/12/29/1900390/lets-assume-youve-finally-got-a-franchise-qb-now-play-him-or-sit-him

And just for the record, the arguement that Clausen didn’t get much work with the starting wide receivers is a load. While Moore was working with the 1’s, that included Dwayne Jarrett, Charly Martin, Wallace Wright, with some LaFell thrown in. Jimmy got most of his work with LaFell, Gettis and Edwards. He should have had a much better chemistry with the WR’s he had on the field because he ran most of his reps with the them. If anyone should be getting the “free pass” it’s Matt Moore, all his receivers that he worked with were either on IR or off the team.

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Anybody But Clausen

by Jelly Wedge on Feb 11, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

YUP!

If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals

by Oi2dwrld on Feb 11, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't argue with that!

you’re absolutely right about Clausen having better chemistry with Lafell and Gettis. I still believe Clausen is not ‘bust’ material yet, but it’s times like this I really hope they sign a reliable FA Quarterback this offseason. I’m still on the “sign Gradkowski!” bandwagon…

To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!

by Panther4Life!!! on Feb 11, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

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