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Panthers Face Tough Decision On Whether to Keep Shockey

CHARLOTTE, NC - SEPTEMBER 01:  Teammates Jonathan Stewart #28 Cam Newton #1 and Jeremy Shockey #80 of the Carolina Panthers celebrate after Newton's pass for a touchdown to Shockey against the Pittsburgh Steelers during their preseason game at Bank of America Stadium on September 1, 2011 in Charlotte, North Carolina.  (Photo by Streeter Lecka/Getty Images)

So after twelve games have you seen enough to think the Panthers should re-sign TE Jeremy Shockey for 2012 or even beyond? I think this Yahoo Sports contributer lays out the pluses and minuses this decision bears on the Panthers but in the final analysis suggests Gary Barnidge could replace him:

Gary Barnidge is not going to light the league on fire, but he would not have to. With Greg Olsen in the lineup, Barnidge would simply need to play Shockey's role. Replacing the minimal yards and touchdowns would be easy, and Barnidge is a very capable blocker. The one area that would hurt would be in the leadership department, but with Steve Smith, Cam Newton and Jon Beason around, that would not be a major issue.

I have a hard time arguing with his point that Barnidge can replace Shockey's production and blocking (provided he is fully healed). It is the leadership qualities that I think should have more weight than given. Steve Smith may be a leader in some ways but he's not a motivator. Beason is but he plays defense and is not in the huddle. Maybe Cam can provide all the motivation that is needed on offense...but there a part of me that thinks Shockey provides a needed veteran voice in the huddle. A voice that will be needed for Newton himself as he continues to mature.

Shockey is more of a lead by example type of leader, similar to Cam. But also when things are getting tough and down the wire we know Shockey will speak up and give some non-nonense speeches to the offense. We know he will give it to the refs if they make a bad call. We know he will lay it on the line every week, he is that type of player. That is tough find.

More discussion and a fan poll after the jump

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It the Panthers decide Shockey's leadership has significant value does it make up for the added cost? $700k versus $3M - $3.5M? As pointed out I think that has to give the Panthers pause and will depend on what other moves are planned. Yet I would expect a decision on Shockey might be one of the first moves the Panthers make after the season is over. Shockey would most likely get looks on the market given he has actually remained for the most part injury free (knock on wood).

Another option not mentioned would be to cut Ben Hartsock instead though we wouldn't have near the financial impact of letting Shockey walk. Though Barnidge would remain the 3rd string TE he would have to feel better about given the Panthers use all three TE's throughout a game. I'm ready to see what Barnidge can do if on the field for 15-20 snaps a game.

So what do you think the Panthers should do Panther fans?

Poll
Should the Panthers re-sign TE Jeremy Shockey for 2012?
Yes, for 2012 and beyond
233 votes
Yes, just a 1 yr deal though
323 votes
No, Barnidge can replace him
58 votes
No, regardless of what Barnidge does
16 votes

630 votes | Poll has closed

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No they don't, he's our best TE.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 10:04 AM EST reply actions  

How do you figure that?

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Seriously... How do you figure that?

Olsen takes more snaps, has more receptions, more yards, more TDs… He really outperforms Shockey in almost every aspect…

by aceofsween on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Because I watch the games?

He’s a more complete TE than Olsen.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This is true.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 9, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Olsen can't block for turds.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He's adept at getting his body in the way, but yeah that's not really blocking.

He’s a WR listed as a TE.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He plays over 70% of his snaps out wide.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

no Olsen is far more athletic. Olsen is the 2nd fastest TE in the NFL (behind Davis)

Olsen runs a sub 4.4 40 time and is younger and more agile that Shockey. Shockey is just as good of a receiving threat, but Olsen takes the cake on athletic ability.

by pcroadrage on Dec 9, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know that he runs a sub 4.4

Where’d you see that?

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by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I just looked it up and his top 40 time i believe was a 4.47

I don’t know where but I could have sworn that i saw somewhere that he ran in the upper 4.3’s. even still, sub 4.5 is crazy athletic for a TE

by pcroadrage on Dec 9, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

There were some unofficial reports of him running a 4.42

and numerous people stating he runs a sub 4.4 but i can’t find a reliable source confirming it. I dont know where i originally saw his sub 4.4 40 time

by pcroadrage on Dec 9, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I didn't realize he is that fast.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Like I said, he's a WR listed as a TE>

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by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Shockey is stronger and more stout.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If he's willing to take a very team-friendly one-year deal, sure.

But if that’s not the case then we should move on and not think twice about it.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

It would be a mistake to let Shockey go.

And it would be foolish to assume that Barnidge could replace him seamlessly.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

I think we should let Hartsock go and keep Shockey.

That gives us 3 solid TE’s that can contribute in both the running and passing game.

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by BW Smith on Dec 9, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

This

I’m also not sold on letting go of Shockey if for no other reason than the fact that Barnidge is coming off of a season ending injury, and while he has shown flashes of potential he has also been inconsistent at times as well (I remember him dropping a few passes last year that should have been caught, and this is important when factoring in his low number of targets). Why dump Shockey when we can keep both for minimal cost?

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 9, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Two healthy TEs Important to the Offense

The two TE sets with do it all TEs allow more options. There will be injuries no matter who you have so we need at least 3 competent TEs.

by NMHesq on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

didn't Shockey already weigh in on the matter.

and say he wanted to stick around, and pay wouldn’t be an issue?

he’s good for another 1-2 years, and what we’re building here should be a more than suitable legacy for him to watch after he retires.

by Lost_terrapin on Dec 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Yup.

It sounds like he really likes where this team is headed, and wants to be a part of it. When a guy of Shockey’s caliber calls the team “special”, I for one want him around.

by Neilicus on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

He already has two SB rings and he's won a NC.

His legacy is assured.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

have a feeling that he wouldn't agree.

he came to charlotte with a team first attitude, and looks to thoroughly enjoy watching this team develop. don’t think that he would see his two rings as a nice consolation prize when leaving unfinished business on the table.

if we have the opportunity to keep players with this type of competitive fire, we should. it will at least help Cam feel like his back on the safari :P

by Lost_terrapin on Dec 9, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

On the fence...

Really I don’t think that it’ll hurt us if he leaves, and therefore I’m also not concerned if he stays.

by aceofsween on Dec 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

I definitely think we should resign Shockey,

as long as it’s for a reasonable amount. He’s done all we’ve asked of him this year and has been anything but an “injury prone, locker room cancer.” Rivera likes him, players like him , and he’s only 31. If we can keep him upright he has a few more productive years left.

I think Chud will want to keep him around having that prior and present experience with him and seeing how the TE position plays such a large role in our offense.

by John Chilton on Dec 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST reply actions  

Re: the picture attached to this article...

Its hilarious. I’ve noticed on almost all of their TDs, Stewie and Shockey have done a little mock celebration. They kind of get up in each other’s face and do a little golf clap. Maybe someone knows more about it, but I saw it for the first time in the preseason against PIT (when this photo was taken). I don’t know, maybe its just me, but I find stupid little stuff like that funny.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I picked for a 1 year deal.

but I would like them to add a second year option to the contract.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Greened.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 9, 2011 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

FIRE!!!!!!!

Shockey’s FIRE (attitude) alone isn enough to atleast sign him for one more year. We need to breed the attitude Shocky, Cam, and Smitty all have.

jdrahos

by jdrahos on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

I would definitely keep Shockey for another year.

His vocal leadership and veteran presence has been a major asset to the team. It’s not yet time to turn Cam loose without his back covered by Shockey. Simply put, Shockey’s greatest value to the Panthers is not in his production.

I think it would be a major faux pas should they let Shockey go in a move to save a little money.

"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"

by GooseCreek on Dec 9, 2011 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

*

Shockey’s FIRE (attitude) alone IS enough to atleast sign him for one more year. We need to breed the attitude Shocky, Cam, and Smitty all have.

jdrahos

by jdrahos on Dec 9, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

To Shockey on not to Shockey?

Shockey is an Invaluable leader on the team but the Front Office and the BAMF and Chud need a young TE like a Jimmy graham or Gronkowski. Like I have said before, young TE’s are vital for a vertical offense. Plus Shockey is getting on in age and is injury prone. So I may sound like broken record, but again I suggest Levine Toilolo from Stanford. He’s 6’8 and 265lbs and very athletic. I watched him make Andrew Luck look very good against Notre Dame last week. The kid is such huge mismatch and a absolute red zone threat. I think Cam needs a pure catching young TE to alternate with Olsen and Barnidge and Hartstock can be pure blockers.

Thankfully TE’s are not drafted high so we could get someone like him in the latter part of the draft, that’s if he declares for the 2012 draft anyways. I sure hope so though.

So not renewing Shockey will save money and I don’t think we will lose out that much on blocking or on passing offense. A young TE that can grow with Cam will be a smarter and a more economical move I think. I think its a no brainer, I think the Panthers won’t keep shockey. They need to go young at TE.

by SimmerDownNow on Dec 9, 2011 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Did you not see my picture up there?

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I did see your website picture. Woweee. Luckily NFL front offices don’t make decision based on pictures. You don’t keep a player because he on some stupid picture on the Panthers website. Shockey is great player but his economic cost is not out-weighed by his on field production. He does block and stuff but like I said, he is Old and injury prone. New Orleans let him go and they are thriving with a young TE’s. Let’s forget this sentimental BS. We need to go young at TE. We have got enough veterans in Gross and Kalil etc on offense.

Losing Shockey will be a loss but not a loss that will be felt tremendously. Decisions must be forward thinking and based on logic and economics and not website pictures. Come on dude!!!! Really?

by SimmerDownNow on Dec 9, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

in fairness- he was using the "sarcasm" font

so i think his comment was meant a little tongue in cheek…

by toonman on Dec 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you not feel that Olsen and Barnige are young TEs?

Do you think they need to go with all young players and no vets on the team? Plus, like Toonman said, it was sarcasm, but really?

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I know its sarcasm. But because sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, I thought I could comment on his sarcasm just for fun. Lol. I’m not fighting, Its just conversation brethren, no harm no foul. Sorry about that.

by SimmerDownNow on Dec 9, 2011 12:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We need a Mr.Hanky pick.It is the season after all.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 9, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Their first string TE is Graham,
New Orleans let him go and they are thriving with a young TE’s. Let’s forget this sentimental BS. We need to go young at TE.

Graham’s average is 13.9 ypc.
Shockey is our second string TE and averages 13.5 ypc.
Olsen is our #1 and his is 11.5 ypc. Where does that tell you that we need to go young at TE?

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, Graham is 25 years old.

Olsen is 26 years old. And the Saints second TE has 1 catch this season for 9 yards.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

There's a constant theme with the TEs mentioned in this thread.

I just can’t quite put my finger on it….

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't be coy...

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

Good Lord Michael. What did I tell you about tootin’ the whole 8-ball before work?

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

lol

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by BW Smith on Dec 9, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Drugs are Bad MMMkay

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 9, 2011 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

That...

is one of the most awesome gifs I’ve seen in a very long time. Probably since that Italian Spiderman gif popped up in one of PT’s threads.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! (or least some really awesome Under Armour commercials)
FREE BIYOMBO! (I'm looking at you, Fuenlabrada)

by Newsinz on Dec 9, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. The Italian Spiderman still takes the cake.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I will rec this every single time.

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by BW Smith on Dec 9, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of Keanu Reeves…Looks and acts like him…LOL

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 9, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

GTFO.

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by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Ditto

I saw a few more gifs from this movie. I’m starting to think that is just this guy’s natural reaction to seeing things.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! (or least some really awesome Under Armour commercials)
FREE BIYOMBO! (I'm looking at you, Fuenlabrada)

by Newsinz on Dec 10, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

He can hardly keep a straight face.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 12, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, Rec!

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 9, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

YESSSS!

that’s one of the few things on this site i can take credit for! i love this!

better get 'em now!

by scatterbrain on Dec 9, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Shockey has really made a difference this year

And I never thought I would ever say this, but he’s one of my favorite players. We should absolutely resign him.

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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton

by Smitty89 on Dec 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

Shockey is a lot of the guys favorite player and he is the one guy i see around Cam the most…i think his value is worth more then just TD’s and yards. Shockey wants to be here. If he takes a fair deal i say why not. We were planning on having all 4 TE’s at the start of the season. Why should 2012 be any different. This system relies on the TE. If one of them may happen to go down i think we would be in a nice spot to not miss a beat

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Shockey

I say let him walk. I think they are high on Barnidge and want to get him on the field. He was playing good in preseason until the injury. Even if they wanted to bring him back, I think it will be low ball offer and he’ll get more money on open market.

by oldpanther on Dec 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST reply actions  

SIGN HIM

Barnidge has shown flashes, but do you want to roll the dice on a flash? Shockey is proven, and by far is one of the tougher guys after the catch in the league- even at 31! His physicality is a perfect complement to the styles of JStew and Cam and Smitty- which is something you don’t see with Barnidge or Olsen for that matter. He makes people earn their checks to bring him down, and he’s much more consistent than Olsen with the receptions. This is the type of player you need hanging around- because you get the bonus of having him be an “on-field” coach… I would love to see him stay.

by toonman on Dec 9, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

No way he leaves

Sorrry not even a question. Chud knows Shocky, and Shocky Chud. Shocky is a starter most anywhere else and has hands of gold to go along with the fire in the belly. The man is a All-pro callabar TE that like runnings backs today can do well when he does not have to carry the sole load.
The panther may Draft a young TE to develope that would not, pardon the pun, shock me as haveing two TEs with hands is a must in Chud system. Look what happen in 08 to the Browns when Winslow knee dramma left them hanging. They lost there edge.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 9, 2011 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

Shockey is a total TE

I think Shockey is the right kind of player for this team right now, he’s fiery, he is a complete player at the TE position, he has a ton of big game and post season experience, and is a locker room/sideline leader. $3.5mil is a lot of money but no other TE on the roster offers the tangible and intangible benefits of Shockey and players’ paychecks reflect that. I just don’t see a scenario where $1-2.5million spent on a different position will give the team a better ROI then Shockey. Outside of locking up J-Stew none of our own FAs are ready for new contracts, and I haven’t looked lately but I don’t know of any big contract FAs for this year outside of maybe a couple of WR (Bowie, Jackson) that we would target, so I doubt cap space is going to be an issue next season anyway.

I think we take the second year option and if he does as well as this past year a two year extension. If Barnidge makes enough strides in the blocking game or Shockey regresses then evaluate keeping him.

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by bleed_in_blue on Dec 9, 2011 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

This.

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by BW Smith on Dec 9, 2011 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I want to see Shockey get a 2-year extension.

Just watching the team, they have a different affect (I’m speaking emotionally) when Shockey’s not in the game – they’re flat. His personality and attitude seems to rub off when he’s in the huddle. Just watch the Tennessee game. The offense was horrific, and it looked like no one gave a crap about it except Cam. I guarantee you that that game would have looked dramatically different if Shockey had been in. It wouldn’t necessarily have translated to a win, but it wouldn’t have been the absolutely embarrassing smackdown that it was.

I feel like Shockey is tougher than Olsen – he’s more likely to make the difficult catches in traffic, and I feel like he’s a better blocker. I don’t think they should break the bank to keep Shockey, but I don’t think they’d have to. With the new rookie wage scale, they could draft a TE if they felt they needed another one. Shockey’s given this team a much-needed shot of energy and attitude. I’d beg Hurney to keep the man.

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by jamiedk on Dec 9, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions  

shockey brings a lot to the table

Barny is ok but he’s not as good as people seem to think. We have to keep him. Love his attitude and he’s pretty clutch too.

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Dec 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think we need him

He’s the Carolina Panthers version of a Kirk Gibson, IMO. For those of you too young or not a big enough baseball fan to know what I’m referencing, follow me here for a second.

I’m not referring to Gibson’s dramatic Game 1 homer off of Eckersley in the 1988 World Series, but that’s part of it. Just like Gibbie, Shockey brings an intangible and immeasurable addition to this team – the grittiness and determination of a warrior that is wrapped in the wisdom of an experienced consummate pro, he leads by example.

I’ve watched Shockey from afar for years, and really had a hard time getting my head wrapped around what his real value was. He had some good years for the Giants, and didn’t really appear to much of a factor for the Saints as he was hurt a lot. I guess he did have an unspoken value as a mentor, considering the beast of a TE that’s there now. Regardless, I have to admit I just didn’t “get it” with regard to his value.

The first thing that really made me start paying attention is that Big Cat and Hurney went out during the lockout and, completely against character, signed Shockey IMMEDIATELY after he became available. I was wondering what made him so attractive to the FO, the HC, and the OC other than playing for Chud at the University of Miami.

I think we all see now why he’s here. From my standpoint, he’s a steady hand, a grinder, a passionate team mate who hates losing, and above all else, he’s a true leader on the field and in the locker room. Throw in a little more wisdom, some really unexpected humility, and I think he’s an important cog in this team’s current and future success.

I’m betting we try to find a way re-sign him, and probably to a 1-year deal with a team option for another. The cost is a little high, but Hurney can structure deals to be heavy when we can afford it and lighter against the cap when we need that as well. I’m also of the opinion that Shockey believes in what the team is doing, and I’m betting he’ll WANT to be a part of it.

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by Panther Fan in GA on Dec 9, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Kirk Gibson *shakes fist*

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by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Shockey said as much (lazy paraphrasing)... "I want to stay and contribute to the the development of something special here.

Money isn’t an issue." If he’s willing to sign for $1.5 – $2m plus incentives, we’d be nuts to let him walk. Keep the LEADERS that want to stay here, especially the ones wearing big gold rings.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 9, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Unrelated but Pat Y posted an article on the best hands in the NFC South and *gulp*

Brandon LaFell was ranked 3rd…with Legedu Naanee not far behind (5th) at 95%….

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/28598/best-hands-in-the-nfc-south

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by Vagus on Dec 9, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

LaFell looks like a completely different receiver than he did at the beginning of his rookie season.

Early on, he virtually did nothing but try to body-catch with hands of stone. It’s been great to see his development.

And Naanee looks nothing like he did early on – he’s started making tough catches in traffic (including some clutch catches for important 1st downs).

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by jamiedk on Dec 9, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

"And I don't want to sound like a _____ or nothin"

But Lafell has gotten himself into great shape. There’s a noticeable difference in his physique since camp, even. Maybe BAMF got his message across.

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by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

You've been checking him out, huh? ;-)

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally.

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Naanee is slowly but surely changing my opinion of him. I don't like the catch and fall down antics

but then again I am not the one getting tackled.

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by Vagus on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the thing

He isn’t doing that as much now and, like LaFell, has been catching the ball with hands as opposed to his body like he was early on. That TD catch was very difficult.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 9, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at Naanee's blocking.

He does a LOT of dirty work on crackback stuff hitting linebackers and safeties.
I’d really like to see a breakdown of his route tree to see how many of his catches and throws have been in the rough places.
We might have to start calling him “NaNasty” if he keeps developing under BAMF and with a Cam attitude.

by criolle johnny on Dec 9, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's awesome.

lol

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Had to rec that 1.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

rec

So sharll it be written Legetron was born this day of the year of Cam.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 9, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have a new entry into the CSR lexicon.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Dec 9, 2011 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

ahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaamen

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by bigred28655 on Dec 9, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

It's perfect!

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 9, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

For anyone wanting to know Olsen's contract

you can read it here

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 12:08 PM EST reply actions  

Shockey still has

great hands, he still look for contact after the catch, he’s a great blocker, a natural leader and his attitude is contagious. Plus he’s stayed relatively healthy. He’s a perfect compliment to Newton and I think he’s helped reel him in a little without teaching him to be a “loser”.

The argument against him is price and age. I’ve addressed age above and he publically said he wants to stay, money not being an issue. Hurney and his agent should be able to work out a contract to address this. I like the idea above about a one year contract with an option for a second year. Put an injury clause in and let’s move forward on getting him a third ring!

Shockey’s still hungry!

You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson

by Swamp Panther on Dec 9, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

No issues with the tats for me

Shockey makes no bones about it, he is a tough bad ass son of a bitch and I love that about him. Football isn’t a gentlemens sport.

by pcroadrage on Dec 9, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just not a fan of tats in general.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the absolute number to tattoos you want to be concerned about

but if the tattoo:tooth ratio is greater than 1, watch out.

by rassling on Dec 9, 2011 1:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Totally just stolen this from the Huddle:

Get photoshoppin’ people!

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 9, 2011 12:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Coincidence?

I just noticed this picture on the C.O. site of Smith

Coincidence that Smith has the Superman S on his arm, and Newton does it as his td celebration? Or was Smith having a premonition of the future when he got that tat?

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

No, we have to keep Shocks. Guy has been a wonderful player for us, not to mention a terrific leader. I agree with BW above that you let go of Harstock and keep Shocks and Barnidge here. I think Shockey likes it here a lot and would be more than happy to finally have a team he can stick to for a while. I doubt he would ask for much, and unless I am mistake, I am pretty sure he has said money won’t be an issue for him in his decision to resign with Carolina.

Keep the guy. I love him as a Panther.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 9, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Bring Shockey back!

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 9, 2011 2:36 PM EST reply actions  

I think they should and should not keep Shockey.

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

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by Revshawn on Dec 9, 2011 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

MP?

I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.

by ERL on Dec 9, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that shakespear?

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by bigred28655 on Dec 9, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm kind of on the fence on this one.

While I love having Shockey on the team and the attitude he brings, I feel like Barnidge can make up for some of his production, and we need some money to repair the defensive talent pool, and that has to come from somewhere. I voted to resign Shockey for 1 year, but I don’t think it is so cut and dry.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 9, 2011 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I can see letting him go if they have salary cap issues.

But nobody here knows if we do or not. If his 3 mil is going to ruin our chances of fixing our defense, our team is in more trouble than I thought.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 9, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Shockey kinda reminds me of Hoover catching passes out of the backfield

He’s always reliable and will get the yards after contact. I wouldn’t be too upset if we cut him because I believe in Olsen and Barnidge’s ability to block. A lot of Newton’s big option plays came from Olsen blocks.
But I think he should stick around to at least develop Olsen from the soft TE that he has sporadically shown he is. I also want to see more from Barnidge in the passing game. The only few plays that come to mind are from this past fanfest and the vikings game in 09. I say we keep him and sign him for less. I’m sure he’ll agree since he said himself that he wants to see this team’s development through.

by Atlantapanther on Dec 9, 2011 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

Keep him for sure

Shock is the first one to congratulate someone offense or defense. ALL the players look up tp him and love him. He has been Cam’s best security blanket, when he needs a play, it’s generally Shockey he hits. Maybe team became more important the older he got, maybe his rep was all bs. He produces, his leadership, mentoring, and locker room presence is invaluable. Keep Barnidge, let him develope, but Shockey is a all around integral part of the overall concept, spirit, and presence of this team. This is just my opinion.

As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"

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