Forget Rookie of the Year: Cam deserves a Pro-Bowl
Do I have your attention yet? I'm going to be making the case for why Cam Newton, our phenom rookie QB, should be voted into this year's Pro-Bowl. In my mind, it's still an uphill battle. There are plenty of other QBs putting up very good numbers (even the likes of Alex Smith deserves to be in consideration). But simply put, Cam's performance is fundamentally more than just that of a simple QB and like Vick when he first entered the league, he is simply in a different league from other QBs.
The Competition
At first glance, there is a lot of stiff competition for Cam getting into the Pro-Bowl this year in the NFC. Aaron Rodgers is perhaps the best QB in the NFC right now and that is followed very closely by Drew Brees. I don't think there is any question when it comes to those two. They will get in.
The rest of the field is very, very crowded. As far as QB rating, Cam isn't even close to the top, in large part due to the number of interceptions he has thrown vs. the number of touchdowns. In the NFC, he has a QBR of only 82.4 which is good enough for only 9th out of 16, so not even in the top half. Ahead of him are the likes of Tony Romo (97.3), Eli Manning (96.0), and Alex Smith (94.9) (and of course Rodgers and Brees). QBR really is meant to determine the passing effectiveness of a particular player, and in that regard he compares well, but does not exceed some of the other contenders.
The Comparison
But to determine a quarterback's Pro-Bowl eligibility solely off of their QBR really wouldn't do anyone justice. I am loathe to make this comparison, but look no further than Michael Vick's time with the Atlanta Falcons to measure this. Vick was never a complete quarterback then, but he made the Pro Bowl three times during his stint in Atlanta, once in 2002, 2004, and 2005. During that time his highest QBR was just an 81.6 in 2002 when he completed just 54.9% of his passes for 2936 yards, with 16 TDs and 8 Ints, but adding another 777 yards on the ground rushing with 8 TDs.
Through 12 games, Cam Newton has already thrown for more yards (3297) by completing over 60% of his passes and rushed for nearly as many (518). He hasn't thrown as many TDs and has more Ints (13:14), but has added many more TDs on the ground, setting the record for rushing TDs by a QB at 13. Not only has he set that record, but he leads all players in the entire NFL in rushing TDs for any position, beating out LeSean McCoy who is in 2nd with 12. To me, that is just incredible.
The Pace
One thing to remember is that the season still isn't over yet. As it stands, Newton is on a course to throw for over 4000 yards (4396.8 yards at his current pace). He has already set several records in his own right. I believe he will easily surpass Peyton Manning's rookie passing yards record. He not only shattered the record for rushing TDs , but set the NFL-wide record for that category. And there's still 4 games left to play. Another record no one has mentioned yet that Newton already owns is the most total TDs scored by a rookie. The previous holder was Gale Sayers who scored 26 TDs in 2002. Newton already has 26 total TDs (13 rushing and 13 passing). One more in his sights though is the rookie rushing TD record held by Eric Dickerson who scored 18 TDs during is 1983 rookie season. Newton will need to add another 5 TDs on the ground over the next 4 weeks to pass that record. Not entirely infeasible, but at his current pace he comes up just 1 TD shy.
The Conclusion
For Newton to have achieved so much his rookie season is bewildering. Truly, who ever would have expected this kind of production from him? In spite of all this, no one is really talking about the Pro-Bowl worthy performance by our QB. You can argue all you want about the collective team performances of the likes of Andy Dalton and some of the other Rookies out there, but Cam truly eclipses them all.
This season isn't just ROY worthy. It's not simply Pro-Bowl worthy either. This season will go down as one of the best performances by a rookie in the history of the NFL and a phenomenal season for a player in it's own right. And if that's not worthy of the previous two aforementioned awards... I simply don't know what is.
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I think he has a fair shot at the Pro Bowl.
Not to mention Rodgers will be playing in the Super Bowl, so that eliminates him.
I can see the NFC QB’s going Brees-Romo-Cam.
"My mom used to always say, If your hungry, go eat. If you can't breath, breath. I wanna win, so if I don't win, I'm going to pitch a fit." -Cam Newton
I don't think the Pack get to the Superbowl
Their defense is too suspect. I think the Saints will go, or the 49ers. Either way, I’d still rather watch Tebow than Eli or Romo, and neither of those guys compares to CAM. Let’s be honest, Coughlin would trade Eli and a high pick for CAM right now if he could.
Their defense is pretty sloppy. But the best defense is a good offense.
And when your offense can score on any possession, you defense can have some kinks.
"My mom used to always say, If your hungry, go eat. If you can't breath, breath. I wanna win, so if I don't win, I'm going to pitch a fit." -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Dec 6, 2011 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
he has played quite well.
He definitely deserves consideration, but probably won’t make it in over Cam.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you, but...
Gale Sayers personally scored 22 TDs, not 26. Peyton Manning accounted for 26 TDs, and that’s the record CAM is about to break.
However, the point is that I agree with you, and I already voted for him. To me there is no question…Rodgers, Brees and CAM. Rodgers breaks the recodrd for QB rating, Brees breaks the yardage record, and CAM breaks multiple records. Eli is overrated and irritating. The truth is that the Pro Bowl is a popularity contest, and no one wants to watch Romo, Smith or Eli. They have decent numbers, but are not exciting. Tebow is more exciting than those three, even though they are clearly better passers.
Chances are either Brees or Rodgers will playing in the Superbowl.
Freeing up another spot for Cam.
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Rogers and Brees are a given but i think Cam deserve the 3rd spot
LEADS THE LEAGUE IN RUSHING TDS!!!!! also towards the top of the league in passing yards.
Id love it…you know Cam is going to show his ass if he gets invited…not in a bad way. But you put Cam on the Pro Bowl team with his surrounding peers and i guarantee you he will make his presence known
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Cam is currently 3rd in the voting for QB for NFC
According to ESPN.
I think he may get there. I guess we can all vote 1000 times.
Anyone else on our team other than Smith that you guys think is a lock for pro bowl?
I think Anderson has a shot at making it as well.
Fan votes only count for 1/3 of the vote.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Gamble and Ryan Kalil ( he has taken a lot of pressure off Cam with pre snap adjustments)
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Gamble isn't NECESSARILY a lock...
but let’s just say he’ll go. Charles Woodson will probably be in Indianapolis during the Pro Bowl, which increases Gambles chances even more, which are already pretty good. Maybe Tillman, Clements, Gand Grimes will be up there in the conversation, but Gamble has been outstanding this year.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
I realize fan votes are only 1/3
but at least it’s something. Sort of like if a team starts 4-1 on the season, it’s only 1/3 of the season, but at least there’s some indication that something is going their way.
(but look to the Bills and Broncos to see how that isn’t always the final indicator of the season).
I was...
just saying. That’s an interesting way to look at it btw.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
That's nice to hear.
I’ve personally voted for Cam 20 times or so…
Your not a fan if you don't vote for Cam 100 times.
"My mom used to always say, If your hungry, go eat. If you can't breath, breath. I wanna win, so if I don't win, I'm going to pitch a fit." -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Dec 6, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Gross and Kalil are probably locks
Once an O-lineman makes it, it seems they usually coast on name recognition (as far as fan voting goes, anyway). Kalil probably deserves it. I’m not sure Gross does this year, but I’d be happy for him if he went.
Gamble and Anderson should make it, but probably won’t. Charles Johnson should also be in the mix, but I doubt he makes it either. When the Panthers start getting more wins and more national exposure they will have better representation at the Pro Bowl.
You can't consider the "as a rookie" aspect when Pro Bowl voting...
However, he still deserves great consideration. If the Pack or the Saints end up in the SB, that leaves a spot for Cam. Stafford and Manning are up there in the conversation. It will certainly be close.
There's a pole on the ESPN website that asks who is more deserving of going to the Pro Bowl: Cam Newton, Tim Tebow, or Andy Dalton.
So far the results are:
24% Andy Dalton, Bengals
49% Cam Newton, Panthers
26% Tim Tebow, Broncos
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That looks about right.
"My mom used to always say, If your hungry, go eat. If you can't breath, breath. I wanna win, so if I don't win, I'm going to pitch a fit." -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Dec 6, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
If Cam played in the AFC
I would say he’s a lock for the pro bowl.
I think he should go to the pro bowl if either Brees or Rodgers is in the Super Bowl.
The only question is whether Manning and Romo will both get more votes than he does.
Romo and Cam will be close.
My prediction:
(The Packers cruise to the Super Bowl, leaving an extra spot)
1.) Drew Brees- He’ll get the start. He has put up astronomical numbers, and won games while doing so.
2.)Eli Manning- Not only is he 2nd in the NFC in passing yards, but he has a reasonably low INT number with 11, 3 less than Stafford and my boy caaamWOAHcaaaam.
3.) Cam Newton- People are going to look at the number: 13 passing TD’s. But, you gorget about the 13 Rushing TD’s he has. He has already broken an NFL record, and is on pace to be the first NFL QB in NFL history to throw for 4,000 yards, and rush for 500 in a single season (courtesy of BW). I don’t know how you can put Romo or Smith in ahead of this guy for that very reason.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
A comparison of Newton and Romo this season.
Romo has more 3,325 passing yards. 7.9 average
Newton has 3,297 passing yards. 8.0 average
Advantage: draw
Romo has rushed for 44 yards, 2.6 yard average
Newton has also rushed 518 yards, 5.2 yard average
Advantage: Newton
Romo also has a total of 22 TDs and 10 turnovers. 2.2 TD/TO ratio
Newton has a total of 26 TDs and 16 turnovers. 1.625 TD/TO ratio
Advantage: Romo
It’s pretty close between the two.
ehhh...
The fact that Newton has been way more explosive, two dimensional, and the fact that he has broken an NFL record in the rushing category, while still managing to put up Brady caliber passing yard numbers puts him ahead of Romo. Romo has played well, but not as an all around threat as Newton is, has been, and always will be.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 6, 2011 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I would vote for Newton
but I can’t say I’m not biased.
The statline is very close. Newton has the advantage of being a 2 dimensional threat, Romo has the advantage of a better TD/TO ratio.
However, Newton also hasn’t had 2 meltdowns to lose games this season like Romo has had.
I completely forgot about the superbowl
in that case Cam has a good shot as who ever the NFC takes is likely to have a QB that was elected
I agree with this, Eli Manning is having a great season.
I think your prediction is spot on as to which 3 QBs get to go.
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Months ago I sent this idea into James for an article, I think during our bye week (since the Panthers news would be slow that week). It never ended up getting written and since the semester is finally winding down so I finally had a little time before work.
I really think Cam deserves it. His TD:INT ration is pretty bad, but he also has run the ball in 13 times this season to make up for that. His numbers are far better than Vick’s were and he’s shattered not just rookie records, but is on pace to break some pretty long standing general records as well.
Panthers that will go to Hawaii.
Cam Newton-3rd String QB. As I said earlier, QB’s don’t put up numbers as he has in the passing game and the running game, and not make it to the Pro Bowl. Not to mention, before it’s all said and done, he’ll have his name in the record books in at least 3 or 4 categories.
Steve Smith-Starting WR. I think it goes without being said how well Smitty has played this year. Hawaii this year, Canton in 15 years or less.
Ryan Kalil-Starting Center. Kalil has been in the past 2 Pro Bowls as a reserve, but considering how much of Cam’s success is attributed to Kalil, he will start.
Chris Gamble-Starting CB. He’s played better at the CB position than anyone in the NFC, with the exception of Charles Woodson, who won’t make the trip. He’ll have better things to do.
Jordan Gross-Back up LT. Jordan Gross has done what Jordan Gross does this year, simple and plain.
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Both Chris Houston and Carlos R have played
better than gamble this year. As much I want him to go, he won’t make it over Brent G, D.Hall( base in recognition), Carlos R, Patrick P( will go for special teams/ cb even though he struggle covering this year.
by adam carter on Dec 6, 2011 9:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
James Anderson has a chance at getting in based on his huge tackle numbers as well
Charles Johnson also has an outside shot.
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Anderson, maybe
but Big Money, no. Demarcus Ware, Jared Allen, Jason Pierre-Paul are all unfortunately in the NFC.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 7, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Ware will take one of the three OLB spots.
Allen, PP are locks. The other spot is probably still up for grabs.
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by ERL on Dec 7, 2011 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Wow...
Feel like an idiot. Kinda forgot the Cowboys ran a 3-4. But anyway, I don’t see Big Money getting in over Babin.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 7, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Probably not.
If Babin still played for the Titans, CJ would have a shot. But with the overexposed Eagles, not so much.
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by ERL on Dec 8, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Nice post there Ace
Cam’s rookie passing yardage record is one that is superlative. Manning broke Jim Kelly’s record which stood for 12 years, and Mannings record has stood for 13 years. Cam’s on pace to obliterate the record, not simply break it.
On a side note, Andy Dalton is on pace for 3792 yards, which would also break Manning record, but he’d have to be on every single week.
Last night on NFL/32
Mort had his 3 picks as Rodgers/Brees/Manning with Cam as the 1st alternate but he talked about how hard it was to pick between Manning and Newton. So with Brees or Rodgers going to SB then Cam gets in. IMO
Steve Grogan? Never heard of him.
I would take Newton over Manning
Manning has 400 yards more passing, Newton has 500 more yards rushing.
Newton has 26/16 TD/TO
Manning has 23/15 TD/TO
Statwise, Newton has a slight edge.
On the eye test, Newton blows Manning out of the water.
Yes....
And I’d bet anyone if you took a poll of the Pro Bowl players on who they’d rather play a scrimmage that means nothing with, they’ll pick Newton every single time over Manning.
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