Who Do You Say Is The BPA?
As we've typically seen the Carolina Panthers and GM Marty Hurney like to run their drafts by picking BPA, or best player available. This method typically results in longer wait times to yield results, but it's also produced players like Jonathan Stewart and Charles Johnson who were forced to wait a little while before become features in the organization.
With Ron Rivera as head coach Marty Hurney isn't afraid to step out and get his opinion out there on what the Carolina Panthers will do, or are planning. For the 2012 draft he's gone on the record as saying the Panthers will be picking straight BPA, which is the smart move even if it means looking for help at DT and CB in other areas, rather than reaching to fill a need.
I know we have a great many draft lovers here at CSR, and as such I'm interested to hear your end (or beginning, if you read this tomorrow) of year BPA lists. I'm looking for just a top 10 list, completely regardless of position or need who you think are the 10 best players in the upcoming draft class. As I'm sure this list could change greatly by April, I'm interested in getting a feel for what everyone's opinion is as it stand.
My ten... after the jump
1. Matt Kalil, OT- USC
I think Kalil is tremendous, it's as simple as that. As it stands he's the only player who I think it's worth trading up for if a decent deal arises, because players like Kalil don't come around very often and I don't think the Panthers will be in a spot to draft an elite LT for the next decade due to their future ability as a team.
Like Jake Long, or Joe Thomas before him I think Kalil is truly a game changing left tackle. Whoever gets hi, will be set on their blindside for the next decade.
2. Andrew Luck, QB- Stanford
I've tried to look for faults in Luck's game, and there really aren't many to speak of. While it will be an adjustment to see him deal with NFL pressure and being protected by a less than ideal offensive line I still think he's a true franchise QB, and the best QB in this class. Whichever team takes him will be hoping he can have the kind of impact Cam Newton had for us this season.
3. Trent Richardson, RB- Alabama
To me, Richardson looks like the next great NFL running back. He'll fall a little due to his position, but make no mistake he is a true Adrian Peterson-esque RB who will be able to make an impact from day one. In a draft devoid of too many 'sure things' he's one of them, and will be a good one.
4. David DeCastro, OG- Stanford
Great guards in the NFL may be more of a luxury than a necessity, but a good RG can be as important to a run-first team as a franchise LT. DeCastro may have some slight issues as a pass blocker, but it's his insane ability as a run blocker that makes him my 4th best player in the draft. A team will need to decide if having that luxury is important enough to them to take him early, and my bet is they wont, in turn causing DeCastro to fall into the teens.
5. Morris Claiborne, CB- LSU
As the NFL moves more an more towards a passing league, the need for teams to find elite CBs is every growing. While LSU's Claiborne may not be accompanied with the same pomp and circumstance Patrick Peterson was a year ago, all in all he's a much more complete true cornerback. This is the kind of guy who will lock onto a player and shut his side of the field down, and that is a gift.
6. Robert Griffin III, QB- Baylor
Prior to the season many didn't know too much about the Baylor signal caller, but a combination of insane accuracy and athletic ability makes Griffin a kind of player who could ultimately be a mix between Aaron Rodgers and Philip Rivers. It will be curious to see how he reads NFL defenses, but as it stands there's no player in the draft with more upside than RGIII.
7. Justin Blackmon, WR- Oklahoma State
While Blackmon may not be the next Calvin Johnson or A.J. Green, make no mistake he is the best WR in this draft. Some will point to his diminutive size as flying in the fact of current thinking about the WR position, but his athleticism and speed is what set him apart. When it's all said and done I think Blackmon projects to be a slightly better receiver than Julio Jones, but without the run blocking ability, and based on what Jones has done in 2011 that's a good thing.
8. Jonathan Martin, OT- Stanford
There was a good reason Andrew Luck was able to keep everything but his neck clean while at Stanford, and that was because of LT Jonathan Martin and RG David DeCastro. The latter mentioned DeCastro made my list earlier, now is the time for his partner in crime. There are questions as to whether Martin can become a LT in the NFL, but out of the gate he will be a day one starter at RT for the team who drafts him.
9. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB- Alabama
I've said for a while that I really like Kirkpatrick as a prospect, and that continues. I feel the team who drafts him will get at best a better version of Antonio Cromartie who will use his size and strength to pin WRs and interrupt their routes. There is definite concern that he wont be able to pick this up, however, and if that happens then he has the size, speed and ability to move from CB to FS and immediately become the best safety in the draft. I don't see much downside in a team taking Kirkpatrick, and that's why I see him as 9th best in 2012.
10. Riley Reiff, OT- Iowa
A strong, hard nosed blocker with an aggressive edge- the team who drafts Reiff will get a definite nastiness added to their offensive line, something all teams need. The question I have regards which position he moves to when arriving in the NFL. I don't see the foot-speed needed to be a LT, and at times he has lapses which could end up turning him into a guard at the next level. Regardless of where he ends up playing in the NFL the team who takes him will get a good offensive lineman.
So folks, who are your top 10?
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Kirkpatrick
James,
It seems to me that you really like Kirkpatrick. I like the Cromartie comparisons. As long he can tackle better, Im on board with this selection.
"Let the haters keep hating and I'll keep cashing the checks"-Steve Smith
by stnecldcr8z on Dec 31, 2011 8:18 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Tackle better than Cromartie is what I meant
"Let the haters keep hating and I'll keep cashing the checks"-Steve Smith
by stnecldcr8z on Dec 31, 2011 8:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I haven't done a real serious evaluation of this class but this is my allstar of this draft
Best Running Back in this draft. Mark it down this is one of the Diamonds of this draft.!!
I'll try...
1. Luck
2. Kalil
3. Claiborne
4. Richardson
5. Griffin III
6. Blackmon
7. Martin
8. Kirkpatrick
9. DeCastro
10. Coples
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I'll have to take you draft guru's at your word but
I laughed pretty hard at “kept everything but his neck clean”. Good stuff.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 8:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Luck, Richardson, Kalil, Alshon J, Decastro, Martin, Janorious J, Morris C, Devon Still, Melvin I.
by adam carter on Dec 31, 2011 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lol North Alabama and he hasn't been getting
into trouble recently.
by adam carter on Dec 31, 2011 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I bet we end up taking Dre. He seems like he'll be there when the Panthers pick, he's a good prospect, and the need is there.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
I agree
Unless there is someone else better than Kirkpatrick, I see him as our first selection.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
From where we are sitting right now, I'd put my money on us taking either...
Dre Kirk, Riley Reiff, Devon Still, or Michael Floyd.
Kirkpatrick reminds me of Malcolm Jenkins (Saints FS). He was drafted as a corner but was quickly moved to Free Safety. If you want a CB I don’t think Dre is the way to go.
"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"
Really?
Not doubting, I just haven’t seen enough of bama’s games this year. I know we shifted Sherrod like this and it hasn’t worked out too well. Considering there are no great safetys in this draft I can’t say I’d be opposed to the idea of finding a replacement for Sherrod.
no great safely??
you may say I am a Bama homer, but I have watched Mark Baron for 4 years. Although typically a safety is not taken high in the first, Mark is the next Ed Reed, or Troy P in the NFL. 6’2" 215 lbs, and is all over the field. Mark my word. The team that picks him late in round 1, or in round 2 will have a game changed.
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
by NCBAMAFA on Jan 1, 2012 10:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Ed Reed is one of the greatest to ever play the game
So yeah thats a homer thing for you to say
by mh420800 on Jan 1, 2012 12:33 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Mark my word
in 5 years he will be talked about in the same way. that’s not homer. that is what I see in his play. it really would not matter where he played.
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
by NCBAMAFA on Jan 1, 2012 6:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
for me ur top 10 is pretty spot on but i wuld change the order slightly.
i would drop decastro to 6th with claiborne ad richardson ahead of him because of what u mentioned. decastro is an amazing run blocker but hedosnt have quitethe compplete package. with claiborne and richardson, a prospect doesnt get much more complete at their positions. would also switch reiff and dre k. no reason i ca put my finger on, just my opinion.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Dec 31, 2011 9:26 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Lets see
1. Andrew Luck
2. Matt Kalil
3. Morris Claiborne
4. RG III
5. Justin Blackmon
6. Trent Richardson
7. Dre Kirkpatrick
8. David DeCastro
9. Riley Reiff
10. Melvin Ingram
by Martin LatinFire Gonzalez on Dec 31, 2011 10:23 PM EST reply actions
A BPA strategy is exactly what I was promoting in "I Say Take Reiff"...
My BPA list would probably look something like this…
1) Andrew Luck
2) Matt Kalil
3) Morris Claiborne
4) Trent Richardson
5) Riley Reiff
6) Devon Still
7) Alshon Jeffery
8) Dre Kirkpatrick
9) Jonathan Martin
10) Quinton Coples
As you’ll notice, my BPA list is quite different than mosts. RGIII and Justin Blackmon don’t crack my top 10, and neither does DeCastro. Abilities and skills play a much larger role in my scouting of players than does statistics. Luck is #1 for obvious reasons, and Kalil would have been #1 if it wasn’t for such a dynamite prospect in Luck. Claiborne’s a stud, and T Rich is super talented. Riley Reiff is also just a step behind Kalil, not far though. I have Devon Still in my top 6 simply because he is so big and so powerful. Although he doesn’t get this hype, I really do think he’s this good. Some will also be very suprised to see Jeffery still sitting this high. Even though he’s had a down year, I think he’s still the same incredibly talented prospect. His numbers might have declined, but his talents are still there. Dre Kirk, Coples, and J Mart are all supremely talented.
I think anyone we pick within the Top 15 will be a great player. I fully trust in Hivera to pick the right guy for the team, be it a need pick or BPA. In a dream world, I’d love to get Kaili, but he won’t last past the Top 3. I guess Claiborne would be my #2, but I just don’t know enough about these guys to make an honest opinion…
Just glad the Panthers brain trust will be smarter about this than I.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
*Rivera
Hivera sounds like a bad disease…. or birth control
by rscott94 on Dec 31, 2011 10:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rivera + Hurney = Hivera
Kinda like Furney with Fox and Hurney… yeahhh, idk if we will use that or not lol.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
I'm on Hivera to control my BPA.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 4 recs
BPA.....
Is all well and good but will we have salary space to get players to fill needs if we don’t draft to fill them?
by Mouse1828 on Dec 31, 2011 10:39 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Search for a post last week about this
I can’t quote exactly but basically there’s a stipulation in the new CBA that let’s us screw with bonuses almost to the point of fraud in 2012. We should be fine.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What about this
I say we trade down to………….20ish get another pick or two, then take the BPA
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
I like
Courtney Upshaw OLB Alabama
*Jerel Worthy DT Michigan State
Janoris Jenkins CB North Alabama
*Dont’a Hightower ILB Alabama
*Alshon Jeffery WR South Carolina
Mark Barron SS 1 Alabama
Sorry………….Big Bama Fan here.You gotta admit that at 20-25 these three Tide players (and the others) look god for the Panthers
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
We probably won't be in a position to trade down.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Jan 1, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Here goes nothing....
1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Kalil
4) Claiborne
5) Richardson
6) Blackmon
7) Coples
8) Reiff
9) Kirkpatrick
10) Martin
Top 10 is great, but want the Panthers pick closer to 12??
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
Well here's a top 12 for you...
1) Luck
2) RG3
3) Kalil
4) Claiborne
5) Richardson
6) Blackmon
7) Reiff
8) Coples
9) Kirkpatrick
10) Martin
11) DeCastro
12) Kuechly
If Justin Blackmon drop - Panther should pick him up.
1) Luck
2) Kalil
3) Blackmon
4) Claiborne
5) Kirkpatrick
6) Janoris Jenkins
7)Coples
8)Alshon Jeffery
9)Vontaze Burfict
10)Reiff
I don't think we should trade up for anyone at least in the first round.
It is a tough pill to swallow for me, but Kalil will be gone when we pick, and he will cost too much to get. I think the answer for our franchise LT is DJ Fluker. He is as athletic as they come, but he is very raw. I say get him in the second or third round (depending on his combine numbers, and if he declares) and let him learn from Gross for 1 or 2 years.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Jan 1, 2012 2:31 AM EST reply actions
DJ said last week he is staying in school.
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
by NCBAMAFA on Jan 1, 2012 8:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
ok then why not
1) Luck
2) Kalil
3) Claibourne
4) DeCastro
5) Blackmon
6) Griffin III
7) Richardson
8) Reilly
9) Martin
10) Brown
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Jan 1, 2012 7:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
*8) reiff is what I meant to say
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Jan 1, 2012 7:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Draft
As you can see, most of these top 10 have about same guys and I can’t disagree with any of them. As far as what Hurney said don’t beleive it. It really is a general answer. After combine, then we’ll know how draft boards set up. I would love to trade down and get extra picks. But we’ll see.
agree OP!
I think this is a pretty deep draft for DT,CB/S,WR,LB. These are all areas of need. is OL a need? I think we are fine here in this draft. This team needs picks. the more competition for playing time is healthy for this team. The players are " buying in" to coach Rivera’s way. You can see it in the " next man up" they all talk about. with the core we have, and some added young hungry talent, this team is right on track for the future. A future that could be a great 5-10 year run. I have never been this optimistic about the future. Is it Cam? Is it BAMF? Is it talent? Yes, all the above.
"Success in anything we do in life is like building a house. Your talents are the bricks. You heart is the foundation. If you don’t have the foundation, all the talent in the world will crumble and fall".
Me
by NCBAMAFA on Jan 1, 2012 10:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If you are looking for one Player that can win Superbowl for you:
A playmaker, team player = Blackmon
Dude, WE GET IT.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Look at the last game...
He’d have been just another WR running around not getting the ball while Cam gets swarmed and our defense gives up 50 points.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I'll go with
1. Andrew Luck
2. Matt Kalil
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne
5. David DeCastro
6. Robert Griffin 3
7. Reilly Reiff
8. Trent Richardson
9. Dre Kirkpatrick
10. Quinton Coples
11. Jonathon Martin
12. Michael Floyd
13. Melvin Ingram
You can automatically remove Luck and RG3, along with Ingram (think he’ll project as a 3-4 inside LB). I’d be happy with any of these guys in a Panthers uniform.
Here is a different take on this
Here is my list of players that I think will be excellent players in the NFL. Some are the usual names, most are under the radar guys that I have researched and think could be very good players early on in their careers…List is in no particular order…
Dre Kirkpatrick CB/S
Janoris Jenkins CB
Dontari Poe DT
Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT
David DeCastro OG
Amini Silatola OG
Sean Spence OLB
Matt Kalil OT
Matt Reynolds OT
Drew Butler P
Andrew Luck QB
RG3 QB
Lamar Miller RB
Cyrus Gray RB
Chris Rainey RB
Mohamed Sanu WR
Nick Toon WR
Travis Benjamin WR/PR
Trent Richardson RB
Chase Minnifield CB
Marcus Forston DT
Morris Claiborne CB
Kind of got a little crazy with this, but these are my favorites going into the off-season, enjoy!
Draft order set
If anyone cares, the top 12 draft slots have been set and are listed below. I can go farther if anyone cares for me to do so.
1. Indy
2. St Louis
3. Minnesota
4. Cleveland
5. Tampa Bay
6. Washington
7. Jacksonville
8. Miami
9. CAROLINA PANTHERS
10. Buffalo
11. Seattle
12. Kansas City
And here are my favorite 10 guys in College (NOT AT ALL saying they will or should be drafted this way)
1. Trent Richardson, 2. RGIII, 3. Andrew Luck, 4. Lil Kalil, Teir2 – 5. Blackmon, 6.J Martin 7. Claiborne, 8. DeCastro, 9. Dre Kirk 10. noone belongs here but I’ll go with Coples due to versitility and potential
Correction, James has us picking 8th...
Sorry for the mistake, my math was incorrect. I am now confused. With us and Miami both having .5039 Strength of schedule and being in different conferences does this mean there will be a coin flop to determine the 8th and 9th positions?
My turn for BPA
1. Andrew Luck
2. Matt Kalil
3. Justin Blackmon
4. Morris Claiborne
5. Dre Kirkpatrick
6. Lamar Miller
7. Reilly Reiff
8. Witney Mercilus
9. Alshon Jeffrey
10. D’onta Hightower
11. Jonathon Martin
12. Michael Floyd
13. Melvin Ingram

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