Carolina Panthers Vs. New Orleans Saints- Defensive Preview
Let me start by thanking you guys for not heading over to the Saints blog and trolling them, as always you keep it classy.
Judging from comments on the offensive preview there seems to be a belief that the Saints wont rest their starters for want of trying in vain to win home field, I really don't see this happening despite what Sean Payton wants the media to believe. This isn't the Saints' game to lose, the 49ers are in the driver's seat and only need to get past a divisional opponent in the Rams who can't score more than 12 points a game, and who they shut out 26-0 the last time they played. The only way the Saints play Brees and Co. for a full game is if they still want to work on self-aggrandizement, which seems to be one of their strong points. However, I just don't see them being foolish enough to risk their starters for more than a half. Let me save Saints' fans the time and effort of their yammering to fully admit we can't stop Drew Brees and the rest of the Saints offense, however I don't believe we'll be seeing them for much of the game.
X-Factor: Pierre Thomas
One thing the Saints will need heading into the playoffs is a stout running game, and this will be a perfect opportunity to try and get Pierre Thomas some more carries to build some momentum. Since decidedly mediocre rookie Mark Ingram went down with injury Thomas has stepped in to the lineup and made a major impact. In three straight weeks he's run the ball well, albeit for only a few carries. It seems surprising the Saints waited this long to give him chances as their premiere back, but he's there now. I believe the Saints will give a heavy dose of Thomas to the Panthers run defense while they ease out the rest of their starters.
In recent weeks the Panthers have been holding much better RBs than Pierre Thomas to poor days. Defensive rotation coupled with the emergence of hungry backup DTs has created a situation where Carolina are not nearly as porous against the run as they were earlier in 2011. That being said, I'm not confident enough to say with certainty that the Panthers can stop the Saints, no more than I can say Thomas will carry his team.
Edge: Push
Carolina pass defense Vs. New Orleans pass offense
This one should be fairly easy to judge. With Brees on the field this is no contest, without him I think it's a fairly even affair. I have no doubts that Chris Gamble can, and will nullify Marques Colston, however we don't have reliable answers in the secondary for the remaining compliment of receivers. Adding Jimmy Graham to the mix only makes this more lopsided, even if Chase Daniel is throwing the ball.
There's good reason why we're talking about the need to draft corners and safties this April, and this weekend's game will show it.
Edge: Saints
Carolina run defense Vs. New Orleans run offense
I'm not really concerned with Pierre Thomas, but I am worried about Darren Sproles. RBs like Sproles with speed and utility are precisely what the Panther struggle with, especially without good lateral speed from their linebackers. Like Brees I don't think Sproles winds up playing a full game, but still he's a player to be concerned with in all phases.
Much like the passing game I think Sproles can hurt the Panthers in a short amount of time, and that's why I think they have to be given the nod here.
Edge: Saints
Overall Outlook
This is a hard game to really call because so much hinges on how New Orleans' approaches the game. If they are looking to hold down stats and run up the yards then it's unlikely the Panthers and their injury decimated defense can hold back the floodgates, but if they choose to turn back the dial on any of their players I think this is a wholly winnable game.
Last time these two teams met the Saints were only able to win by three points. Since that time the Panthers have gained more confidence and learned to win, which is vital for a young team. Here I'm picking with my heart, not my head.
Panthers 35 - Saints 31
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well it wont be easy whoever starts for them at qb
But I think the panthers are really hungry for the victory here. If the saints think we have nothing to play for they are dead wrong. We are playing for pride, playing for the first game of next season and playing to prove ourselves worthy contenders in the nfc south. Add to that we would love to make things harder for the saints… Absolutely love it. Hear that saints fans?…. Its the sound of cam newton ushering in a new era of panthers excellence
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 6:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
They'll surely try to get Darren Sproles his own Time Out celebration, though
He’s shooting for the all-time Total Yards record, needing 163 in this game to do it.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/30/darren-sproles-closes-in-on-total-yardage-record/
I don't think we can stop their offence.
We don’t have the pieces. Brees and Payton will see through whatever plan Rivera and McD have put together during the week pretty quickly. That’s what they’re great at.
That said I don’t think they can stop our offence – so it’s down to how consistent Newton et al can be and whether we can run into a turnover or two.
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N.O. will start all their starters who are healthy. They will come out fast and try to build a lead so they can rest their starters. they will score. That is a given. But they want be able to stop us either. So i’am seeing a big time shoot out. There is several more records they can obtain and we seen how they feel about that from last game. Having a 38-10 lead and Brees throwing td with 2 min. left. Then calling timeout to celibrate. I’ve been watching pro football for 40 years and never seen a more selfish and classless act. You can add that to the fact they are known as one of dirtest teams. Totally classless org.
by oldpanther on Dec 31, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
classless? maybe
But who cares, the saints have a bad reputation but what has that got to do with our game? If the teams records were reversed you don’t think some of us would want cam to air it out to get a record? Also again, it was against the falcons! A classless act against the falcons? Oh dear that might keep me awake at night… Who cares?! Congrats to bree’s and co I say, maybe the time out was unnecessary but its done so let’s just concentrate on our team beating theirs
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe its pent up anger. They’ve been acting like this since they won superbowl. All I was saying was they seem to care about more records they can set this week instead of concentrating on playoffs. Brees hinted at that in news conference. I have no problem with wanting to set records but doing it in a classy way. Also, its got everything to do with this game. If SF gets big lead and our game is close, lets sit back and see what they do.
fair enough
And I agree for the most part. But you can’t tar every saints fan with the same brush. They are not ALL idiots. Just most of them :)
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dont take this personal because it's not
Your defense gets payed to play just like our offense
I will say the same to you as I have said to Falcon fans who question our motives
If you dont want records set against you it’s as easy as not allowing it
The Saints have to go out and earn those records no one is giving them away your defense just needs to step up and stop them
I dont see where how much our starters play has anything to do with it
This is week 16 of the regular season not a bye week they should be playing
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Its not the record, Brees and to some extent Payton earned it.
It was the post-record ridiculousness that went with it. And quite honestly if your team hadn’t built up such a bad reputation of tasteless extra curricluar crap over the past few years then it wouldn’t have been a blip on so many peoples radar.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats cool I understand and this comment isn't directed at you or the Panthers
Just my opinion of the Saints attitude
I would rather they be a sore winner
Then a good loser
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
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Just small reminders of such extracurricular crap…
What classy defense.
Honestly, when your offense is as ridiculously talented as it is, it’s a shame that the defense has to taint those accomplishments.
The dirty shots to Favre that the defense thought they had to make to make sure they made it to the Super Bowl..


Then, there was AP…
Peterson suggested that New Orleans cornerback Jabari Greer intentionally twisted his ankle one play before he ripped off a game-high 39-yard run.
And Nate Washington…
“Honestly, he’s a dirty player,” Washington said after their Week 14 meeting. “We watched film on [Harper], he’s dirty. And I don’t appreciate it, I’m going to step out in public and say it: He’s dirty. That was dirty what he did, it’s unfortunate that he grabbed the facemask — at the same time you don’t walk over a guy and nudge him with your knee. You don’t do that. That’s dirty. And honestly, that’s a dirty player, flat out. This is not just one game. He’s been doing it all season. And I’m tired of it. I hope the league did something about it.”
And…

Saints safety Roman Harper says he does not regret a late hit on Carolina receiver Steve Smith that drew a $15,000 fine from the NFL this week.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
It really is sickening
the shit that team pulls. How can people root for that?
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Indeed
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Still rather be a sore winner then a good loser
The Saints play a physical defensive scheme
Do they get late hits?
yea but so do all defenses and they get flagged and fined for them
Should they change their style of play to make other teams players/fans happy?
dont count on it, thats the difference between pro-football and peewee football
As far as the vikings go their OLine should have protected Brett better
And how does a team with robison on the roster call anyone else dirty
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Wow.
Just…wow.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 12:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
"A physical defensive scheme"?!
Your GD coordinator said before that playoff run where they retired TWO future HOF QB’s that he wanted his team to injure them!
A physical defensive scheme, yeah. You guys are dillusional. And Michael Vick gave puppies swimming lessons.
Go back to Mississloppy.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You compare a DC mind games
With Vick killing innocent dogs
And I said it wasnt personal
It’s spelled Mississippi
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
The over the top reference was comparing your version of that defensive scheme to what it actually was.
Your defense is dirty, not physical. If you’re okay with that then so be it.
If the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn’t be screaming from the rooftops for a change. I would have a hard time going to other team’s blogs and defending it as if it isn’t a bad thing. “This isn’t pee wee ball”, “they should have defended him better” and “everyone does it” are all terrible arguments that make me think you are well aware of how your defense plays.
And as far as the M-sloppy comment, fair enough. My apologies.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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Still rather be a sore winner then a good loser
It’s anyone’s perogative to feel that way – players, coaches, fans, whomever. It’s just a mindset that I personally can’t understand and couldn’t support. I don’t want tainted wins. I’d rather see a loss from a team playing with honor – between and after the whistles.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Dec 31, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
before we start completley going off on a tangent
Let’s wait and see how physical we play first. Got a feeling that we are going to play a bit nasty on defence this game. The smitty hit was late and completely uncalled for, that’s established… But look at the way d-will is approaching the game, if our ice cool smiling running back is talking a big game how is our defence going to act? I’m just saying the dirty tag is deserved by the saints but we might give them a taste of their own medicine tomorrow.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That hit on Smitty wasn't even late; it was blatant
Harper doesn’t care nor do his Saints teammates. For some reason, they have to get the last word in (or in the case a hit) whenever they get showed up. That is my only beef with New Orleans…they are dirty.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
He was flagged and fined for it i'm not sure what else ya'll want
The good news is Steve Smith plays him again this week and they can settle it between the two of them
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Its not about whether he was flagged or fined...I know that
However, that hit was unwarranted. There was no reason for it to happen. Go back and look at the tape. The play was over but Harper had to deliver a blindside hit on Smitty. I just hope Harper gets burned on every play going against Smitty.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
No one is denying he hit Smith after the play
See my comment below
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
You're still here?
Look, I’m not asking you or the fans to apologize for your players actions because that is not your place. But you folks don’t exactly seem to be bothered by it either. So in essence, you condone late or intentional hits as well as dirty play. And I thought Saints fans were obnoxious after wins over the Falcons.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not condoning anything
But I have moved on he was wrong and flagged and fined
What do you expect the Saints to do their aren’t going to bench their best SS
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I expect them
to be a classy organization and reel him. You can play tough without playing dirty. No one would say anything if it were a one time incident. It’s also not just one player though he’s the poster child.
"One step at a time"
I can agree with that.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 31, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well I guess as long as he gets fined for what he does, who cares how many times he does it to players right? Ohhh, I can’t wait until he ACTUALLY hurts someone doing that. Guess the excuse there will be:
“Well, his o-line should have protected him better”
“He should have been ready for that hit”
“This is pro football”
“He needs to be a man”
Seriously, there comes a time where fines and flags don’t cut it anymore. Instead of being an asshole trying to hurt people because it makes his balls grow a centimeter when he does it, perhaps he should respect his fellow players and calm the F down.
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So how hard of a hit is ok
And how do you teach a player to hit him that much and not anymore
Do you want your players pulling up at the last minute worrying about hitting a guy to hard
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
You are missing the point. I’m not talking about James Harrison style of play here. I’m talking about Roman Harper being an asshole. If he wants to play hard during the play then that is his business. Once the play is over, once that guy gets into the endzone, I would expect him to not be dick and level a guy because he got his ass burned in coverage and is pissed about it.
It isn’t a question of pulling up at the last minute on a hit, it is pulling up completely once the play is over… something the guy clearly doesn’t understand half of the time.
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My point exactly
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I understand what your saying
But again I dont believe a fan should be apologizing for a player or the way he plays
That is up to our coaches and the player
Maybe it’s wrong maybe it’s not it all depends on your perspective
He clearly isn’t Drew Brees with his exceptional values
But he also not Suh stomping on a packer linemen
Or Robison kicking a packer linemen in the groin (something about Packer linemen I guess)
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s wrong maybe it’s not it all depends on your perspective
If you cannot say that hitting a guy after he enters the endzone is wrong then I don’t know what to say to you to make you understand.
But he also not Suh stomping on a packer linemen
So just because he didn’t stomp on a guy, it is ok? It is ok to hit after the whistle, but BAD to stomp?
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I’m simply saying that perspective has nothing to do with it. It was wrong. I haven’t seen our guys do anything that blatant at all this year, and if I had I would be one of the first to say he needs to stop that crap because it is wrong.
Has nothing to do with perspective.
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This was your first comment on our thread I believe
Still rather be a sore winner then a good loser
The Saints play a physical defensive scheme
Do they get late hits?
yea but so do all defenses and they get flagged and fined for them
Should they change their style of play to make other teams players/fans happy?
dont count on it, thats the difference between pro-football and peewee football
As far as the vikings go their OLine should have protected Brett better
And how does a team with robison on the roster call anyone else dirty
That was posted after someone listed a few examples of dirty play and maybe s where the confusion came from. You’re welcome to defend tough play I think there are very few fans who would disagree that the game has soften some; however, I don’t buy the excuse that some of those examples are just tough play. Other NFL players have even gone on the record as saying many of your players play dirty. One example that sticks out is having an angle at a runner on the sideline and rather than just pushing him out, a Saints players chooses to dive (tackle) at his feet. If it just happened once you’d say, “ehh maybe that was just how he thought he should tackle” but from the mouths of other NFL players (not a fan) that’s a classic example of a dirty player trying to injure someone. In our case it’s usually Steve Smith since he’s obviously the player that the Saints defense had the most trouble with…….until now.
"One step at a time"
Sorry I messed that up
@Still rather be a sore winner then a good
loser. The Saints play a physical defensive
scheme. Do they get late hits? yea but so do
all defenses and they get flagged and fined
for them Should they change their style of
play to make other teams players/fans
happy?
dont count on it, thats the difference between
pro-football and peewee football
As far as the vikings go their OLine should
have protected Brett better
And how does a team with robison on the
roster call anyone else dirty@
"One step at a time"
Whatever, you get it. haha
And for the record we’re not looking for an apology. Maybe it was unintentional but you hijacked our thread and are trolling and should leave. It’s okay, everyone makes mistakes……some of us just a lot more than others
"One step at a time"
you left out the beginning where I said this wasn't personal or directed at the panthers or their fans
And yes Robison clearly kicked a packer linemen in the groin for the whole NFL to see and was suspended
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
The difference here
Suh actually apologized…Roman Harper not so much.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair, Suh “apologized” after several attempts to disown what he did.
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But he apologized nonetheless
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't think he apologized to the guy he stomped.
If he did I missed it. I saw him apologize to his team mates & coaches.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
He did apologize.
The Packer’s guy said he called(maybe it was text), apologized, and they’re good now.
thats the problem though guy, ur team as a whole plays that way. its a style that is being taught, hence why it is so bad.
if it was just every so often and not blatant it wouldnt be viewed as it is. and no,its no the fans place to apologize for it but dont seemingly condone it either.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Dec 31, 2011 1:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hitting defenseless players three steps into the end zone
Twisting players ankles on after the tackles, and all the other crap they do after the play has NOTHING to do with how hard players hit.
Don’t try to twist what that defense does into something that is legitimate.
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by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have seen nothing from anyone but AP
Saying Greer twisted AP’s leg on one play that could have been anything in a pile lets not make that out to be more then it is
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
The best example we have is what he did to our guy in our stadium. “Making it out to be more than it is” doesn’t apply to that situation.
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2 different players
AP said it was Greer who has never had 1 thing said about him in the 8 years in the league
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
What I would expect is for your team's coaches, and teams fans
To tell him it is wrong (and from the coaches tell him it will not be tollerated). That obviously wasn’t done since he has said he is not sorry for it. I believe he said something like, “The Saints won’t allow Smith to disrespect us” , and the hit was at least 3 full leaps into the end zone. My belief is the NFL should have suspended him for that and the refs should have ejected him from the game when it happened. Harrison got suspended for a hit that happened in the blink of an eye, in real time.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I also dont thimk its a fans responsibilty to apologize for a player
If the Saints were as bad as ya’ll seem to think I believe there would have been a few suspensions by now and there haven’t been
And we all know how goodell likes to suspend players
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Goodell likes to suspend players
primarily in the NFC & AFC North. I don’t think the Saints have garnered that rep just yet (which is sad because truthfully many of the hits from NFC & AFC North players are actually good, tough football plays rather than dirty/cheap shots).
And to your question: So how hard of a hit is too hard
Noone here is complaining about the intensity of the game. What we’re highlighting is cheap shots. Big difference.
"One step at a time"
Nobody is asking for an apology from you, just stop defending something that is obviously wrong.
Or go to the Saints blog and say it there. I’m sure they’ll agree with you.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We seem to be arguing 2 different things here
No one has said Harper hitting Smith wasn’t wrong
But I dont see the legal clean hits we had on Favre 2 years ago as a pattern
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody's asking you to apologize for anything. That would be meaningless.
In fact, nobody’s asking you for anything. But I will. Would you please go away?
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I will
But I dont believe I have said 1 neg thing about any poster here or the panthers this whole discussion started out about football
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
That isn’t a problem. Others from your blog have however (not saying that is your fault btw). We don’t care to much for those that call us trollers on our own blog.
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Pretty hard to troll your own blog
I say things on csc all the time I wouldn’t go to another blog and say
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Case and point from saint-sly here who started this whole avalanche:
I was not going to post on your site because I hate trolls too but some of your comments are sounding like my Saints will be easy pickins.
Wow, cause God-forbid us feeling like we can beat the saints. We should all just bow down and wave the white flag of surrender cause we have no chance. An idiotic comment that few of us here are going to let slide.
I’ll be damned if I’m going to let someone come here and berate me for feeling good about my teams chances.
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To add to it:
If we play the starters for the whole game’ your so called battered or inept defence will be sitting ducks. To be the best you have to beat the best’ and to do that your Panthers would have to beat our first team.
Another idiotic comment. Losing by 3 points on the saints final drive does not constitute an “inept defense”. So yeah, I don’t like people who call us trolls on our own blog and then troll themselves.
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You're defending a defensive style of play that almost laid out our best receiver.
A guy 99% of us view as the greatest Panther of all time. Many of us, including myself take offense to that.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 1:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I understand
And I would be upset if ya’ll almost took out Colston tomorrow but I dont expect ya’ll to understand
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nope dont count on it
We won’t stoop to that level.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly wouldn’t condone someone like Charles Godfrey doing that to Colston, and I would hope Ron Rivera would pull him aside and give him a stern talkin to about that. Football is a rough sport, but that doesn’t mean one has the right to try and hurt people because of that.
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Trust and believe
BAMF would squash that style of play quick, fast and in a hurry
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Would you be ok if one of Atlantas DTs blindside tackled Brees 5 seconds after he set the record?
It’s the exact same thing.
“If you’re going to set the record, set the record, but don’t jump in the air and celebrate on us like that.”
sounds very familiar to
“If you’re going to score, go score, but a guy is not going to try and just walk it in on us like that,”
It is what it is
They had their chance to stop him their defrence didnt step up
I guess we will see next week if they play more motivated
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
That is not the question.
The question is that since you are ok with Harper hitting Smith blindside well after the play was over, would you be ok with an Atlanta player doing the same thing to Brees during his celebration.
If you would not be ok with an Atlanta player blindsiding Brees during his celebration, with a very possible chance to injure him, you have an obvious double standard.
Do you think its ok after Harper hit him he grabbed Jenkins face mask and tried to rip his helmet off
Jenkins ran in there to seperate the two and got dragged to the ground by his face mask by smith
Hows that not dirty
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really think he "ran in to break it up"?
Smith stood up and there was nothing to break up was there? I am just basing this off memory, but I think he ran in like he wanted to be a badass & got handled.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Way to dodge the question
You realize now that there is no way that your player can not look dirty by answering the question, so you try to deflect by pointing to a players RESPONSE to what your dirty player did.
Good job.
Wow...I derailed the thread. Apolgies, people!
This is where the discussion has gone…


Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Dec 31, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you and have a good day
And good luck tomorrow
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
good luck to you too
Let’s hope for a clean game with no injuries.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dangit...typo...
*Apologies
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Every single time I correct myself...
It’s because I’m thinking about BW going grammar nazi. =)
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Well, at least you’re thinking about me. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
She just didn't want to get fined... that's all
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I still have that crap on my DVR.
If they had that college overtime rules, Brett Favre and the Vikings would be champions that year. That I promise you.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Ifs ands or buts
If a bullfrog had wings
He wouldn’t bump his nuts
The Saints won that game fair and square
This isn’t college both teams dont get a chance from the 20
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yes they do. The rules got revised specifically because of that game and now both teams get the chance to score on offense during the playoffs. So obviously, someone agrees with me.
Sudden death is BS in the modern NFL when elite pass-happy teams can score at will when the game is on the line. Asking corners and safeties to defend the pass when they can’t even tackle a receiver in the process of catching the ball is bull. Let’s say it’s Aaron Rodgers against Drew Brees in the Super Bowl. The game goes to overtime and Aaron Rodgers wins the coin flip. He then goes to score the winning touchdown while Drew Brees sits on the sidelines.
I know you’d be singing a different tune.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
No I like the sudden death rule
It makes your defense play the game also
by mississippisaintsfan on Jan 1, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hate to say it
but I agree with the Aints fan. Everyone on that field is paid to play, so, umm… play.
by disgruntled1 on Dec 31, 2011 11:51 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
no problem there
we stopped brees from breaking the record last time he tried.
by Lost_terrapin on Dec 31, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I will rec. you for that comment
Because thats how its done
You do it on the field not whine about it after the game
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with you about the part that says
“If you don’t like it, stop us from doing it”. But like Swamp Panther said, the time out to celebrate was a bit too much. The time to celebrate is after the game when the other team is not forced to sit around and watch it. And about this,
Your defense gets payed to play just like our offenseSo when we win, even if it is against your second or third team, you will have no excuses because they too get paid to play right?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
No but I dont believe you will be playing our 2nd or 3rd stringers
Hey we got our a** kicked by the Rams and we manned up about it
The only negative things I saw written by Saints fans were directed at our own team not the Rams or refs
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe they called Time Out, for their celebration...maybe they even completed the extra point, while it was going on...
I still think it deserves a flag for taunting, and undue celebration, at the very least.
Self-Aggrandizement ?????????
And you wouldn’t do it ???? How can you say that when the records fall with WINS. If my Saints do sit the starters, you win a watered down agame(Maybe) which would not be a confidence builder. If we play the starters for the whole game’ your so called battered or inept defence will be sitting ducks. To be the best you have to beat the best’ and to do that your Panthers would have to beat our first team. I was not going to post on your site because I hate trolls too but some of your comments are sounding like my Saints will be easy pickins. If the 9er’s slip up there will be no hope for your Panthers.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
I hate trolls, lol.
I doubt they let that record of Bresus’ slip away. He needs to throw for at least 250 to make it unattainable for Brady to take it in the end.
Based on that alone they keep the starters in on offense at least three quarters, 49ers win or not.
It’ll be a close high-scoring game that the Aints lose. The 49ers will win. Taints play the Falcons next week, Falcons exact their revenge for being on the other end of a classless nationally televised MNF game.
Boo Dat.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
"because I hate trolls too"
What we say on our own board, about your team, or any other, isn’t trolling. It’s just good old-fashioned homerism.
Now, if we go to YOUR board, and say such, that’d be trolling.
Much as you just illustrated. (now where’d that black kettle go?…)
It’s not his fault he is an idiot.
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Then, would it be his mama's?
Who dat, yo’ mama?
C’mon BigD, the correct incorrect grammar there would be “who dey” not “who dat”.
gee man, get it right
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My goodness arent we touchy ?????
Looks as though you all have a chip on your shoulder. Or, is it a sign of being scared.
Come on guys. No hard feelings here…………..
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
Wow, you are the ones coming over here and talkin crap. I don’t see us doing that your blog. And I don’t consider it “being touchy” when I am making fun of an idiot because he is an idiot. In fact I am doing him a favor by telling him the truth.
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I never said a word about yo mamma,
Now did I ???? I did not even start this crap. I was talking football. Thy nelse does our blog have a link to this blog. I came to talk stratagy and results ang you bring up the dirty mouth and references. I only comminted on the article and ya’lls perception of my Saints.
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
So you came on here to talk football eh? Does this constitute “football talk”:
My goodness arent we touchy ?
Looks as though you all have a chip on your shoulder. Or, is it a sign of being scared.
Come on guys. No hard feelings here…………..
Doesn’t sound like “strategy and results” to me pal. And I never said anything about anyone’s mamma. I’ll avoid the obvious insults that can be inserted here in the hopes you take a clue and leave.
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To be the best you have to beat the best’ and to do that your Panthers would have to beat our first team.
Would this mean you all suck because you let the rams… yes DA RAMS to beat you all? Yeah, who dat indeed.
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Who was the other crappy team that beat the Aints?
Was it the Colts?
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't them
It was the Bucs
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Nah, but they lost to GB first game, then lost to (LOLZ) tampa bay.
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Either way, they won't get too far in the playoffs
Hell, they lost to the 7-9 Seahawks in the first round last year…lol
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
dont kid yourself
That offence is lethal
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 10:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, we did.
…but we also won the Superbowl the year before that. Believe me, we weren’t around chanting number one after losing to the only team with a losing record to ever make the playoffs. We also lost to two of the worst teams in the NFL this season. It sucked, but our record is still 12-3. You really can’t laugh at a team with that record, regardless of who they’ve lost to previously.
Just to chime in on the earlier conversation, not all Saints fans condone bad behavior
by the players. I think that Steve Smith deserved an apology after that hit, it’s too bad that he didn’t get one. Late hits happen sometimes, and it’s up to that player to admit he was wrong. I don’t think that Saints players in general are as bad as they’ve been portrayed on this forum, but it’s all a matter of opinion I suppose.
I have noticed a lot of generalizing within comments. Classless fans, team, etc. I don’t understand the point of that. Generalizing doesn’t get anyone anywhere.
On the bright side, we got on the author’s nerves enough to receive a dishonorable mention!
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
Um...no, lol they beat the Colts 62-7
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I don't see how you are getting that anyone is saying the Saints will be "easy pickins".
I have read every post and not 1 has come across to me as saying the Saints are easy. But now that you mention it, WE DAT
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
The dont cry if your blown out 42-17
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
by saint-sly on Dec 31, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah because last time the Saints faced us you won by an astounding...3 POINTS.
Oh and our defense was complete ass back then. I’m not saying we’re much better now but they’re more consistent. Oh and you’re not going to stop superCam.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
That was then.............This is now !!!!!
Yesterday has nothing to do with tomorrow, (Unless it’s a Dr. appointment) I also dont think Super Cam can survive a shootout against Brees. Not that he aint good but he aiint THAT GOOD yet. Your Panthers have progreeed well since the last meeting but so has my Saints. My condolences for tomorrow in advance………….
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Your condolences???
Ohhhh………. Now I understand!!!!!!! You mean your condolences for lying when we beat yall tomorrow????
by panthers4life on Dec 31, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
How can you in 1 sentence say
Yesterday has nothing to do with tomorrow,
Then act like yesterdays record the Saints have means they will win?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Yeah, the same goes for your team big guy.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 31, 2011 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
are you already making excuses?
‘If’ we beat you it will be against a watered down team? So what? You fault for sitting your starters. We’re gonna play physical all game after that cheap shot from harper to smitty. If I was peyton I would sit the starters cuz we’re gonna be up for this one. If we beat you, take it like a man.. Don’t whinge and make excuses
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 10:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If We Win
You already know what they will be saying. Rested their starters, nothing to play for, just noise.
If you beat the Saints thats cool you wont be reading any whinny post on csc or excuses
I dont remember one Saints fan whinning about the Rams game they beat us fair and square
But we haven’t lost since then
This should be a good game with your explosive offense I dont think anyone takes that away from ya’ll
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 31, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
If you got the impression
that we thought the Saints would be “easy pickins,” then there was a misunderstanding. The Panthers nearly won during the last meeting. That was your starting, first string team…and we lost by 3 with a pretty fresh rookie QB, new offense installed and a depleted defense.
I’m not saying we can beat NO. But if they throw backups against our team at any point in the game, wellll…you get the picture.
So that’s that.
~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'
by boywonderncsu on Dec 31, 2011 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe I'm missing something
But did we ever have any of the Saints blog moderators come over here for Q&A posts like we’ve had with division rivals Falcons and Bucs (along with a few other teams in the league). I know the team has zero class so it shouldn’t shock me that their fan base is as equally classless. I think it would be interesting to get their perception of their team, especially one Roman Harper and if they believe their team is indeed dirty.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:00 AM EST reply actions
You know what
After reading the above comment. I think I have my answer.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Who gives a frog what they think?
Let’s just go kick their greedy, self-aggrandizing, shit-don’t-stink asses.
In any event, this’ll be the last year the Saints rule this division. Their time has come, and is going fast.
True
I still label them as a losing franchise…because that is what they have been for many, many years prior to their run of success. Much like the Niners dynasty of the 80s, all good things come to an end.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
One Super Bowl appearance and win does not make them a dynasty
They’ve been a failure in the playoffs. Can’t take anything away from a SB win but they are no late 80’s 49ers.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
True
I’m just saying that all good things do end. But our good thing is just beginning
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. They'll always be in it so long as they have Brees
but the one thing everyone forgets, and Aints fans don’t want to think about, is they’ve had one of the best QB’s in the league at a really great price for years. That ends this off-season.
His talent makes the team, they’re mediocre at best without him. His talent level is gonna demand north of $100 million. I don’t think they enjoy the heavy padding of their salary cap much longer.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think you underestimate Drew Brees, and NO.
Drew has solidified himself within his (NOLA) community. He’s highly involved in it, beyond football. He stays in New Orleans, period. The Saints organization pays to keep him, no questions asked. He’s literally the best thing to ever happen to the franchise, and for that matter, the franchise has been the best thing for his career. When San Diego dumped him like yesterday’s trash, New Orleans gave him a second chance and he appreciates it. I take Drew for a man of principle, and I think he’d stay for less money if they couldn’t afford a ridiculous salary due to cap.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
If that’s true, why has it been so hard for the Saints to re-sign him? The last I heard talks broke down and the franchise tag was being tossed around.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 31, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm sure its not about money
LOL
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're right,
Drew’s going to be picked up by another team. New Orleans will let him go, and Chase Daniel will be the new face of the franchise. There’s always going to be negotiations when it comes to re-signing QBs, but if put under the gun, New Orleans would pay for him. I think likewise, if Drew had the option of taking a lucrative, but less lucrative salary and stay with his current team, he would. Just my opinion.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Opinion noted, Drew being picked up by another team was not what was said.
Don’t put words in people’s mouths. NO will sign him, it would be a top 5 epic failure not to. However, this is a business. If you think Brees thinks more of the city than his family, friends and future generations of Brees’ then you are fooling yourself. Just my opinion.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree.
The first portion of my comment was just a joke. My humor is dry, and is probably not meant for text only communication. Anyway, while I agree that he puts his family first, always, I think that he puts his community before his wallet. He’s deserving of a huge payout, and I’m sure he’ll take it. I just don’t think that he’d leave because of a difference between 15 million and 14 million.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
It will be an interesting storyline to follow in the offseason for sure.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Re Jimmy Graham:
Anybody think Jeremy Shockey’s gotten a bellyful of hearing about him?
I think our own #80 might be up for this game.
To the saints
I believe every Panther fan across the nation would agree that we are hoping the Rams come out firing and jump to a quick lead against the 9’ers. And that they maintain that win throughout the game. We don’t want your backups. If we lose…so be it, we have an off-season to grow. But if we win…you and the rest of the NFL will begin to understand what you’ll be up against for the next 5-10 years. And don’t count on our defense being so “inept” when we get our guys back off IR and after the draft.
Stay classy New Orleans…..or at least try.
by PGobbler on Dec 31, 2011 10:13 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well said PGobbler.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
very well said
One things for sure, come game time our team and everyone on this blog is gonna be really up for this one. Let’s hope the saints need to win so they bring their A game
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 10:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As a 3 year resident of NOLA (so f-ing happy to be back in NC)
The Aints games are the ones I really get fired up for. Being a dispersed fan of a division rival during the SB run surrounded by that fan base, ugh.
I didn’t think I could be more pumped for this finale then I read DeAngelo Williams comments. I wish it were Sunday already!
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Across the Nation?????
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
by saint-sly on Dec 31, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Believe it or not we have fans across the nation, and across the pond.....
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
hell yeah we do
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Jan 1, 2012 12:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's funny
Brees breaks a record and they call time out to celebrate. Cam breaks a record and gives the ball to a fan and goes back to the side line. Who would you rather cheer for?
Class. And tomorrow the classless get taken to school.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 12:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That is the difference between Carolina and New Orleans
Class…the Panthers have miles and miles of it. Seems like the Saints have this mentality that they are an entitled bunch and need to celebrate every little goal. News flash people, Carolina’s quarterback would rather have wins than records. He is not about himself or personal accolades. I doubt you will ever see him or his teammates needless celebrate for an extended time due to a record being broke. It hasn’t happened thus far in his short, but electric career.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
It definitely makes it hard to acknowledge their accomplishments when you have fans troll over here. I don’t mind saying they have a prolific offense with one of the best QB’s out there controlling it. But it gets harder to say when you have it constantly thrown in your face.
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I know
I can respect a team any day of the week, but I’ll be damned if I will tolerate their fans bringing that nonsense to our turf and defending a dirty style of play. Brees is a good QB. Their offense is one of the best in the game. I’m not arguing that point. But like you said we don’t need trolls over here regurgitating what we already know. Bottom line, Carolina is coming into the game to win. That is why we play the game. The Saints have dirty players headlined by Roman Harper. I am sure most everyone here does not appreciate having someone from another blog talking up their team and supporting the foul play that seems synonymous with their defense on a weekly basis.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you forgot that we suck so bad that we lost by 3 whole points last time...
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Oh yeah
Not too many teams can say that
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
The Saints care way more about celebration than wins. The twelve they have this season, eleven last season, and thirteen two years ago are all by accident. They stumbled upon them while they were pounding beers to celebrate the horrible season in ’08.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that was the funny thing to me. Cam had character concerns about his arrogance, and he does that. Brees is well known for being an incredibly classy player, and he uses a timeout to further celebrate.
To be honest, I don’t care either way, it’s just an amusing anecdote.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 31, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
On NFC Playbook on NFLN...
They made some good points about the Saints offense. As an opposing defense, it’s pretty much “damned if you do, damned if you don’t.” If you only rush 3 or 4, he’s going to have too much time, and Brees is going to find a way to make a throw that there’s simply no defense for, no matter how good the coverage. If you blitz, he can get the ball out crazy-fast to someone who’s not covered. At the beginning of the season, I thought Rodgers had the edge over Brees. But the past few weeks, I think it’s been Brees hands down. They have such a plethora of receivers that it won’t make a difference if they rest their starters – unless Brees sits out any of the game. That’s pretty much the only way our pass defense has a chance. And I just can’t imagine them sitting Brees unless/until he racks up enough yards that it would be impossible for Brady to pass him in yardage.
Hopefully our run defense can keep up the recent upward trend, but I’m afraid it’s going to hurt not having Neblett. He’s been playing well (both in run defense and pass rush). But Shirley’s also been a pleasant surprise. Hopefully he and Kearse can be effective. It will also hurt if CJ can’t play. He hasn’t been racking up the sacks like I had hoped he would, but he’s made a lot of contributions to run defense with a ton of tackles for loss.
Defensively, the Panthers really are at a loss unless they manage to get a few turnovers and/or Brees sits. The STs can’t screw up – they need to tackle (I’d jump up and down with joy if Jason Williams could replay his forced fumble from last week), and they need to open up lanes for Pilares/AE. Heaven forbid we have to kick FGs, Mare has to make them. And hopefully we won’t be punting much, but Baker needs to average more than 35 yards. LOL. But, the biggest difference-maker will be our offense. Chud has to keep up his genius through the whole game, making the right adjustments as needed, and the offense has to execute.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
by jamiedk on Dec 31, 2011 12:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thanks a bunch...Finally a poster who talks sencibly..................
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I think I spoke sensibly further above in the thread... (and that's not meant to be in a snarky tone).
I don’t think anyone here would disagree with anything in the comment I just made here. There’s no sensible way to argue that the Saints offense is one of the most talented and prolific ones in the league. When the discussion gets away from that one very specific point is where disagreement enters the picture.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
I did not see the "One above and only read your last but
I can see that you can carry on an educated converstion with out the banter. I cam here to wish ya’ll well tomorrow and I am one that does respect what newto is doing in his rookie year. I even voted for him as Rookie of the year. Besides my Saints I try to follow Carolina when I can but damn, your cronnies are full of hate and discontent.
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My cronnie is not full of anything. I don't think I even have a cronnie
…OH, bring back my cronnie to me.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Saint-sly:
I can’t block quote on my phone but feel free to scroll back up. Saying a win against your second string means nothing and if your first string plays our inept defense will be sitting ducks is not “wishing us well”.
And WTF is a cronnie?….troll.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 1:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he meant "cronies"
Spelled with one “n”…Saints fans can’t spell
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
More generalizations...sigh...I'll go take some spelling lessons...because I'm a Saints fan, therefor I lack in both grammar, and spelling.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
Lighten up golden domer...its a joke
Now I can generalize and say that Saints fans have no sense of humor…
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
''i cam here to wish you well''?
See everyone’s got cam on the brain. CAMMMMM. Also let’s be fair we’re all getting carried away here because you’re our division rivals. The way I see this game… Well signs point to an absolute slug fest between two very talented offences. I’m expecting an advertisement to the rest of the nfl about how competitive the nfc south is. Our defence has improved and yours isn’t to shabby either. Personally I think we have a good chance of beating your impressive home record, we’ve been pretty dangerous on the road lately so don’t under estimate us. Looking forward to it.
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 31, 2011 2:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Its not a matter of being sensible
There is no denying the Saints are a talented and very dangerous team. There is no doubt that on paper the match up doesn’t look favorable for the Panthers. I think the root of the discussion is the style of play that a few Saints players (primarily on defense) tend to play. That has been my beef with the team most of the season. Other than that, I have no problem tipping my hat to the success the city of New Orleans has had over the past few seasons.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Brees is like Brady. If you get pressure on him, he folds easily. The problem is, like Brady, he has a great offensive line that can buy him time, plus Peyton abuses the crap out of the screen pass.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 31, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
First poster on everyone of these should post this

As for the game the Saints are very good but I don’t see their offense verse our D as lopsided as everyone else. Granted, Drew Brees will pick any team apart if given the time but our defense is finally beginning to understand the system and the line backers have improved. The DLine is holding their own (though if CJ doesn’t play that would be a huge hit) & IMO the only big advantage the Saints have is Graham. Our LB’s won’t be able to cover him but some creative scheming could help there. I hope the starters play
"One step at a time"
Alright...I need to find another post to comment on or something.
I honestly don’t know how to feel about this current chain of events with Saints fans coming over here. It is one thing to wish good luck and maybe talk a little bit about the game but my goodness, to see the insanity continue is just aggravating. To the Saints fans, good luck tomorrow. I hope it is a clean, competitive game. I will even go a step further in saying good luck in the playoffs.
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 1:36 PM EST reply actions
Haha, sorry couldn't help it

Seriously, last one. Ahh. As far as something else to talk about I wonder what the game plan will be to stop Jimmy Graham. He converted so many third and longs last time it killed me. Godfrey does a good job matching him up but that would leave us really vulnerable in the secondary. Probably a combination of jams with one on one matchups (maybe Senn) & doubling him.
I said it earlier though I think it got overlooked in everything but I really think our defense has improved over the course of the season and understands this defense better. Hopefully we can force a couple of turnover’s early like last week.
"One step at a time"
I just had to share this...
In his picks for Week 17, SB Nation contributor Andrew Sharp picked Carolina, and he wrote this:
Carolina at New Orleans (-9.5) … Cam! Breesus! This game should happen four times-a-season for the next five years.
Right now, I’m fine with it only being a twice-a-season matchup. LOL. When I’m more confident in our defense and when Brees starts aging (please, start aging, Brees), then I might be more receptive to the idea of 4 times a year. =)
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Yeah, It would be hard for us not to cover that spread.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 31, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
On the first day of Christmas the Panthers gave to me!

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Firey wood?
You know they have a treatment for that sort of thing…
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
man, do I hate the threads before saints games
Every other team’s fans, even those of the falcons and bucs, can hold a civil conversation. I don’t know if it’s us or them but we just do not get along with the black and gold.
by Floods on Dec 31, 2011 2:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
When we are completely civil with 30 fanbases and their visitors are intelligent and cordial, yet there’s one 1 fanbase that’s the opposite then I’m not sure the ’it’s us, not them’ can apply.
No shit...
The worst part is that I really like the guy who runs their blog. Wish there were more fans like him.
Saints Fan here
All blogs on SB Nation are linked, that is why some Saints fans have been reading your thoughts on the game and come here to comment and even talk a little bit of trash!
Being an LSU fan and a huge fan on college football, this is how it should be, it almost reminds me of some good ol’ trash talking with some Alabama or Florida fans during tailgating!!!
What do you guys want us to all just get along and hug and kiss before our rival teams play???
As long as it doesn’t get personal with insults and ugly comments!!!
You have a good team, but may the best team (tomorrow) win
Get your secondary ready, they’re in for a long day!!!
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
you mean they should wear their gloves because we wouldn't want their hands rubbed raw from all the interceptions?
Get your secondary ready, they’re in for a long day!!!
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Your fans in general represent your team poorly.
Hug, no. Stay the fuck away? Yes please.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 5:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Do they?...
…and you represent Carolina so decently and respectable?
“Hug, no. Stay the fuck away? Yes please.”
How eloquently put.
The post above is correct, however. The reason you have an influx of Saints fans is because when you search for “Panthers vs. Saints preview”, the Saints’ forum doesn’t pop up, rather this one.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
Look bud, you're coming on here at the wrong time
for all this. Throughout the whole week and every week we play your Saints there is an influx of moronic, uneducated shit-talk.
I hate it for you because you seem like a level-headed guy who for some reason is coming on here to defend your team.
The majority of CSR members, myself included, don’t normally get into petty crap like this. The overall view is your fanbase brings out the worst in us. Again, hate it for you because you seem to be the exception to the rule.
And please don’t take my words out of context like that wasn’t a reply after a whole afternoon of Saints trolling.
Happy New Years cres2020.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks. I appreciate the sentiment.
You know, I wasn’t even aware that Carolina, New Orleans rivalry was so intense,but apparently it trumps that of Atlanta, NO. Hehe
I guess I can get very argumentative at times. I’ll probably continue to read through and annoy here and there, I enjoy a good discussion. My apologies, for now and for future rants. Happy New Year.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
No apology needed.
Your posts have been a refreshing change to the typical CAR v NO threads.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the rivalry in the NFC South in general is intense. And it is a shame really… the NFC East and AFC North get all the media talk about rivalries while the NFC South gets passed on.
I think that is one thing fans of all the NFC South team can agree on.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
This Rivalry must be more of a big deal than any of us know.
This game is going to be on tv all the way up here in NJ. I think this is the second Panthers game that has been on tv up here. I was kidding about it being on because of the rivalry, it’s probably on because both QBs are working on records they have already broken this season. Newtons rookie QB passing, and Brees regular QB passing record. Maybe they will also ion Newton when he breaks 4,000 yards too since he will be the first to do 4,000 passing and 500 rushing.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Happy that you don't have to watch this on a computer screen,
great way to end a promising season.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yep I am thrilled.
While watching it on the pc is better than nothing, watching it on the big screen tv, in real time, without it freezing up is going to be a great ending.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
It's definitely a rivalry division.
I just might head over to one of the Bucs’ threads, to get a full perspective. Hehe
I’m actually really excited to see Cam continue to break Peyton’s rookie record even at the expense of yards vs. NO. Don’t tell my Saints cohorts, or I might be ostracised.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hear ya'
I’m looking forward to ’12 when our two teams are fighting for the division the way it should be.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Our Defensive Line will sack your Quarterback tomorrow.
And our Quarterback will make your defense look silly.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 31, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
You are a soothsayer I take it???
You have already seen the game in your dreams and all the things you wrote will happen certainly!
And your team’s 9 losses did you also see them coming?
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
You go boy............The truth hurts don't it.
They are all saying “Maybe next” year after the game. (Notcie I said maybe)
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
Well, we have sacked Brees before, and Cam did make your defense look dumb (don’t be offended, he does that to all defenses!) the last time theses teams met…
And yeah, we did see 9 losses coming. In fact, many of us expected 10 or more.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
It's not gonna be more than 10, no worries...just might be exactly 10!
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Could be. Could also stay at 9. Either way, I could care less. This year has been wildly successful, and I think only Panther fans can truly understand what I mean by that. Trust me, you all won’t be crossing us off as a win in the coming years.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
What do you guys want us to all just get along and hug and kiss before our rival teams play???
Nobody is asking for that. But stupid ass generalizations such as “your team sucks, ours is better, blah blah blah” are annoying and add nothing to the conversation.
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
I agree and if you didn't have blue and white glasses to look through...
you would see that fans of your team do the same! ALL fans do the same, that’s why I don’t whine about who says what!!! It’s trash talk, it’s not even supposed to be that rational! That’s the fun part of it, why you guys get so irritated is slightly beyond me! It’s just a game after all and trash talking is part of it (ask Deangelo Williams)
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yall are the ones that are on OUR blog doing the trash talking!!!!!!!!!!
Go to your blog and talk about us if you want. We dont care! But if you come over here running your mouth we do care!! Just get off of our blog!!!!!!!!!!
by panthers4life on Dec 31, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
So, you are saying trash talking is wrong???
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
When you are trolling OUR blog........ Yes its wrong......
Especially when yall act retarted…..
by panthers4life on Dec 31, 2011 6:38 PM EST up reply actions
I've never been a troll, read every post I made here
it was all about the game, and some good natured trash talking, not personal insults or stupid bragging…but hey, alright, I’ll leave. No hard feelings
Expect more...you'll get more...and if you don't, start over!
by Stilljreming on Dec 31, 2011 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
I said yall.... Wasnt singling out you....
But you said “why you guys get so irritated is slightly beyond me!”.
We get irritated at guys like saint-sly, and his stupidity….. Again, wasnt singling you out….. sorry if it appeared that way….
by panthers4life on Dec 31, 2011 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
No, you weren't singling him out.
You’d much prefer generalizing, then back-pedaling and pointing out specificities afterward.
by crescendo2020 on Dec 31, 2011 9:04 PM EST up reply actions
So, even though we have 14 other games in the season
and yours are the only fans that come here and troll hard core, you’re maintaining that all teams fans do it?
I think you’re wearing the gold and black colored glasses after drinking a few pints of Bourbon.
Speaking of the LSU-Bama
Would you rather have Oklahoma State or are you satisfied with another round with the Tide?
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'm more than well aware how SB Nation works.
Come here if you want to talk to us. Don’t come here if you want to be a dick. It’s that simple.
Man, this is fun...........
I left for a while and I come back and your all still Bitching. Guess I’ll come back tomorrow and see some more…………
Dirty play………………Check
Bad calls………………Check
Defence sucks………Check
Preferential treatment by refs…Check
Holding …………………Check
Late hits………………..Check
Vulnerable recievers…Check
Late hits ……………….. Check
Roughing the Passer….Check
Pass interference………Check
Poor us……………………Check
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
Sorry little fellas, we're all outta troll food.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 6:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Man swamp panther.........
Is it just me or does this sound a lot like bobby??? maybe brothers?????
Such a retard!!!!!!!!!!
by panthers4life on Dec 31, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
The south FL troll is very similar to the SE LA troll.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was being RATIONAL...................
It’s what you wanted to hear. No I aint BOBBY. I’m SLY
My Magnificent Black and Gold Warriors
Im sure you are lol.
In every sense of the word ;-)
by Mouse1828 on Dec 31, 2011 7:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Stay classy New Orleans fans
"Let the haters keep hating and I'll keep cashing the checks"-Steve Smith
by stnecldcr8z on Dec 31, 2011 8:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
BRING FORTH THE BANHAMMER!
One of the sacred relics from the mid-realm.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Awesome...
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
You're gonna need a new hammer after this week James.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I am curious
But when did Clay Matthews start posing for art purposes?
Integrity first. Service before self. Excellence in all you do. -- USAF Core Values
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 31, 2011 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
That's Olindo Mare
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Is that Hardy in the background?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
by MrBernz on Dec 31, 2011 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That is totally Hardy, Bernzie!
Nice catch.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 31, 2011 11:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
YESSSSSSSSSS!
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Allow me to translate
Saints’ “self agrandizement” means “I only wish my team were this good.”
“I’m not really worried about Pierre Thomas” means “I really haven’t watched many Saints games this year because Saints fans know he is averaging 5.1 YPC.”
“Saints 34, Panthers 24” means “God, I hope that it isn’t any worse.”
Where do you people come from anyway?
Proud Member of Cat Scratch Reader and coiner of the (minus Bowers) meme
fetal alcohol syndrome
lots of booze down there
by Lost_terrapin on Jan 1, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, we're concerned about that even though
we have 3 rushers who have that YPC or better on our team.
If you’re going to troll, at least troll about something that your team actually has an advantage on.

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