That Front Page article on SB Nation criticizing Cam Newton for not calling his critics racist irritates me...
by Revshawn on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM EST
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PrintIf you look about 20 comments down from the main post you'll see my comment talking about why, but this guy truly irritated me today. Who is he to talk about what Cam Newton is and isn't allowed to say? I'm pondering making a direct response to that article tonight, but I would like to get your guys input on this and see what you guys have to say about it. The link to the article is right here.
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I found it irritating but not without some merit. I said, some. But I get swayed pretty easily with racial stuff. Being a white guy, I hesitate to make race comments, but as a white dude who could care less about someone’s race, religion, orientation, etc. I also have a hard time seeing it, unless blatant. And we all have the right to speak our own prejudice and ignorance. Sorry if that sounds scatterbrained, I’ve had a long day.
by disgruntled1 on Dec 29, 2011 4:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Word of advice...stand upon morla principles and don't get swayed by opinions.
I’ve heard a few racial claims that were valid, and a few that were bullshit. Some folks don’t realize that in many cases, the guy/gal they believe is being racist to them is actually an asshole to everyone, regardless of skin color or ethnic background.
Welcome to the Cam Cave
Some of his criticisms were definitely racist
For Newton to not use that crutch speaks dividends of his character.
"One step at a time"
Also known as the "Bitch, please" approach.
Newton doesn’t lack for confidence!
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Apparently it wont let me comment there since I'm not a member (and it takes 24 hours for a membership to process)
but i did give you a rec. People are acting like Cam is trying to bad mouth Russel and Young, which he’s not. He is saying that the reason that he was so heavily criticized was because those 2 players, who he was most often compared to and had a very similar situation coming out, were busts. I don’t think it has as much to do with being black as people think. Russel, Young, and Cam all were physically gifted QBs with great strength and athleticism. All of them had questionable characters and work ethic. People ask why he isnt compared to Carr or Couch. But the reason isnt because they are white, it is for 2 reasons, 1- Young and Russel are the 2 most recent QB busts, 2- They have a similar mold and history as Cam.
Cam is leaps and bounds better than both Russel or Young in every way, but that doesnt erase the similarities that he had to them going into the draft.
I had always considered Cam to be a hybrid of Ben Roethlisberger and Vince Young, pertaining to skill set.
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I prefer the 'Rich man's Ben Roethlisberger' comparison.
Big, mobile QBs with accuracy that can extend plays. Newton has a stronger arm and more elusiveness of course, hence the ‘rich’ part, but I like that comparison.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
In the Pcoket he is a lot like big ben but his running ability is better than him or Young
His running style isn’t anything like Vicks but his ability matches him
Perhaps.
My big problem with Young is that he doesn’t run ENOUGH. Much like McNabb he appears to want to establish himself as a pocket passer rather than use his god given talent and double his effectiveness.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You didn't have much "designed" run plays. Newton on the year has mostly designed runs and very little "on his own" run plays
I still think there are major instinctive differences between these 2 players (just looking at on the field).
Yeah Reid took it away from both of them,
but the last time I watched Young there were HUGE running lanes, but he simply wasn’t interested in taking advantage of them.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You could make the argument that...
Young seems as though he is attempting to live up to an expectation that he “has to be” a pocket passer. It takes a huge amount of confidence and coaching support to change/evolve a position and how it is played. Young has a lot of talent, I suspect we may never see it, between his mindset and support network.
I think that this is really what sets Cam apart from other QB’s with similar skill sets. Cam just doesn’t give a shit about the perception or expectation of what a QB should be doing, and he has the coaching support around him to make that possible.
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Maybe a fit Ben Roethlisberger.
Cam is all muscle. He’s an athlete and you can tell by just looking at him. Ben is just fat.
by jojoisthemann on Dec 29, 2011 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ben has an old man body look going for him.
He looks like shit, health wise. I’m always amused how some QB’s don’t take care of themselves like other athletes. They subscribe to the John Kruk fitness plan.
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but i did give you a rec. People are acting like Cam is trying to bad mouth Russel and Young, which he’s not. He is saying that the reason that he was so heavily criticized was because those 2 players, who he was most often compared to and had a very similar situation coming out, were busts. I don’t think it has as much to do with being black as people think.
There are many reasons people could associate him with those players. And it isn’t always about racism. Heck i am black but even me and my friends associate Black quarterbacks with being more runners. This isn’t because i am racist against black people (myself). But because our society projects these views down our throat over and over and over. It isn’t amazing to find that people assume Newton can’t read a defense and Gabbert can. It is part of what is screwed up with society.
I was partly taken back by Newtons words then i thought. “You know this is the reality of it this is how people view this”. The reason why it bothered me to a degree is because i read all these comments about how “Newton did the right thing”. But it does still hurt. Because everyone is admitting that those players altered their perspective at all. What bothers me is they are their own person and they don’t represent me. So i agree with Newton from that stand point. But it is also accepting being put in a box. Accepting that the failures of one Black quarterback (or anything) should reflect on others that come after them. Cam Newton should not have be compared to every black quarterback that fails. Just like Robert Griffin (i compare him to Rich Gannon instead of Cam Newton) shouldn’t be giving undo credit because Cam Newton excelled. Just like any white quarterback should not be compared to Ryan Leaf or Tom Brady for those reasons.
Newton is winning some points with fans with this. But the point is these lazy comparaisions won’t go away Because he is so Unique. Truth there has never been a player that even REMOTELY resembles Newton. No one of any race in any age of football.
It does bother know a Black quarterback has to be compared to every other black quarterback instead of comparing skilll sets… and it is just my opinion that Newton is closer to Big Ben than anyone in the NFL.. and Robert Griffin is closer to Rich Gannon than Mike Vick… but i am looking at it disregarding race.
Props too Newton for knowing how to defuse that question. But it makes me sad he has to go there because those guys aren’t to blame for people comparing him to them. Some of it is his fault for issues he had. (RG3 isn’t getting those comparisions cause he is a Nerdy kid with no off the field issues)…. Cam as much as i love you bro there is some perception issues that the path he has walked lead too that question…not just a few racist or idiots. But his own actions (keeping it in mind that that was when he was 18 but still)….
He will never win with that question but he did a good job in my opinion.
Sometimes there are so many moving parts in these issues that there can’t be just one side of the fence to stand on. Some of it is him doing dum stuff as a teen.. some of it is idiots..some of it is racist… some of it is haters… some of it is the reality of how things are… some of it is perception issues… blah.
by Shankdiddy on Dec 29, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It is obvious that race plays a factor in player comparisons
People always want to compare athletes and call prospects “The next (player)” because it’s an easy way to illustrate a particular player’s ability. However, it seems like these comparisons are always limited to the race of the individual being compared. I really only heard Cam being compared to black QBs, just like you always hear white basketball players coming out of college being compared to white NBA players. I don’t know if you can call it racism, but it proves that people aren’t colorblind like they should be.
. I really only heard Cam being compared to black QBs, just like you always hear white basketball players coming out of college being compared to white NBA players. I don’t know if you can call it racism, but it proves that people aren’t colorblind like they should be.
It isn’t racism at all in my opinion. I think it is a good thing for a white/black kid to have a hero that he can connect with and follow as a fan. Or people they look up too that they can connect with. Some want follow Jimmy Ferdette (i duno how you spell his name) and that isn’t a bad thing at all it is natural to associate like this. THIS IS HEALTHY. It is when we go in the other direction that it gets screwed up.
Like i said it isn’t just one reason for this. Because heck i am a black guy and i hear other black people make these lazy comparisions. It isn’t racist at all… however there are somem that take it in a direction that i am not. But again it is just how society does things in order to understand. Heck even a dog that hasn’t been socialized with other dogs will have assumputions about what dogs walking down the street will do. It is hard to say every assumption is racism. MY ONLY issue with Cams comment is him accepting that box. He basically accepts that society is going to frame associate him with other blacks BY bringing Russell and VY’s name into it. And honestly… that is the reality of our worlds… sadly :(. Some of it is race related.. some of it is lazy comparasions..some of it is idiots .. some of it is just they way people look to understand others.. not saying it is right. But it is what it is…. still kinda sad.
Newton did all he could with his responds because he was honest about it to a fault.
Newton was really put in a bad spot with that question
Like you said, he’s honest and genuine, and it gives people a negative perception of him at times. I think he heard all the Russell and Young comparisons and he knows that people tend to compare people to others of the same race, and some of his more recent predecessors have made that a negative comparison.
I think Newton is kind of like a blast from the past
Its been a while since we got to experience someone so simple and direct that people were looking at his regular self as a mask. The PC generation has changed our expectations.
just like you always hear white basketball players coming out of college being compared to white NBA players. I don’t know if you can call it racism, but it proves that people aren’t colorblind like they should be.
It is true that you see the backwards form a lot, but people don’t usually make much of it. It’s just like seeing a white RB or WR. They are always compared to each other. Nowadays when a white WR comes out people instantly make comparisons to Welker and typically appoint them less athletic slot WRs. These are just schemas that people have and they rarely come without some reason. This usually leads to stereotypes which of course can be harmful
It is true that you see the backwards form a lot, but people don’t usually make much of it. It’s just like seeing a white RB or WR. They are always compared to each other.
But i don’t think that is racism in my opinion. I think it is ok for a white person too root on a white player. That is healthy in my opinion. People need to identify with others and their heros. If a child that happens to be white can see himself in a player that happens to be white and it causes him to feel pride and belief that they can do great things too then this is a good thing. I mean i am a black guy and i love it when people enjoy their culture and take pride in it.
My only issue is when that turns the corner into something that hurts others.
It kinda makes me sad that Newton accepts the box he is put in. But i understand why he said it because in reality he is right. It just sucks to be put into a box. It sucks that those guys failures reflect on other people that look like him… that sucks.
Stereotypes of a white receiver
No topline speed
Great hands
Runs excellent routes
Possession receiver
Reliable on 3rd down
Works hard
All bullshit…
So guys like Jordy Nelson, Kevin Walters, Jordan Shipley and Eric Decker always being compared to Wes Welker is just silly as hell, but of course, dipshits in the media take it there. I always try to keep in mind that the influence the clowns in the media have over people and their perceptions is a widely known concept in the world of Public Relations. So all this “stereotyping” is generally born/conceived/hatched-up in the board/meeting rooms of media outlets by lazy, overpaid, ignorant media personalities.
Welcome to the Cam Cave
I was a white WR
and only 3 of those stereotypes where accurate (routes, 3rd down, and works hard). But I always got treated like the unathletic one. I was the 3rd fastest WR on the team (out of like 10) but i was always perceived as being the one who “didnt have the speed to get past coverage” even though I always managed to get open. I was never offended by it but it did irritate me and hold me back.
don't accept a box
and only 3 of those stereotypes where accurate (routes, 3rd down, and works hard).
see this is what bothers me. We begin to believe these perceptions. And that is the trap.
I believe that kids from the very beginning are taught this as they are developing. Like in football where the pipeline for talent stears a kids to a different position because the perception of race. Like why some white kids have to go to a lower division in order to start at certain positions.
The point is none of these perceptions are true. There are so many people in the world and everyone is different. When i read these comments i see so many people accept sterotypes it leads to more misunderstandings.
I just firmly believe there is zero difference between people. NONE ZERO without ANY exceptions. If you believe other wise then it really goes to show why and how it is possible to have a story like this.
There can be stud white tail backs.. there can be non white quarterbacks.. there can be stud white corners. There are out there playing different positions or different sports because the world has told them “you can’t do that”. When that isn’t the truth… i firmly believe everyone has their own special thing they are good at.. and it isn’t confined to a race. That is just my belief .. i have to believe that i tell my son that… and you should tell yours the same.
I am the type of person that it bothers me to hear any type of generalizations. Black white purple rainbow it doesn’t matter… we have to be smart enough to see past this. Too not compare every black quarterback to every other black quarterback.. to not compare every white reciever to West Welker. Most of us are way to smart for that.. it is a real sourse of >>facepalm material
+1
I’ll take your comment one step further by adding…
Anyone can get better at anything, you just have to do the following:
Work for it and never stop until get there.
While working for it, be smart about it, intelligence will get you there faster.
In most cases, we are only limited by the stereotypes and belief’s we’ve allowed to exist in our minds…nothing more.
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Jordy Nelson had an interview earlier in the year
where he credits DBs assuming he’ll be slow because he’s white as one reason he’s had the season he’s had this year.
It's incredible the amount of times he's open deep.
I’m sure they underestimate his speed because of his skin colour.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
i reject that
It happened to me all of the time, but i didnt complain, i just took advantage of it
that still sucks
reminds me of my friend who is white.. went to go play basketball and i threw him a lob for a dunk and he threw it down and everyone stop the game. Like just for a moment like “did that just happen?”. …. or when we went to the local club and all of the Black girls where all over him and everyone was looking like “wtf”.. just cause he was confident and sure of himself. Of course this is the same friend that tells me everytime i try to go in his frig “N&%@a” please go get yo own ‘shet’… love it when i can talk to my friends and we total forget what race is.
I am glade Cam is a down to earth kids. Seems like he really honestly doesn’t give a damn about all of these issues and just cares about playing a game. Must be the life for that kid.
No one likes these stereostypes
But there isnt much anyone can do about it. What am I supposed to do, Go up to the opponents coach and say “Hey, I’m white but I’m actually very athletic and the stereotype is not right at all, make sure your players know to not sleep while covering me” I don’t like people assuming things about me because of how I look but the only way you can change someones mind to to show them that they are wrong and hope they don’t think that you are an exception
But there isnt much anyone can do about it. What am I supposed to do, Go up to the opponents coach and say "Hey, I’m white but I’m actually very athletic and the stereotype is not right at all, make sure your players know to not sleep while covering me"
i know but it still gets too me i don’t like it.
Just go out and dominate … i know i don’t look at dudes like that when i was playing ball. Thats when people surprize some people but not me.
I think the only thing that has really surprized me is that some of the same people that talked bad about Newton. Saying he will fail and that he isn’t a NFL quarterback are now not saying anything. They are just silent … atleast that is what i have seen.
Again all my comments are really refering too Cams responds not the Author of this piece
This piece acturally had some very valid points.
however when you read it you feel the frustration and some readers will get lost in that and lose the spirit of what he is saying.
I don’t agree with his judgements on Newton. Cam is in a different position than the writter. He has to deal with the aftermath of statements and so as a individual you have to decide if you are ready to go down that road. I think it is best if he takes the high road… and even tho it is throwing VY and Russell under the bus i think every knows Cam realizes that there is racist people and some things have come out in this whole process. Newton however isn’t in a position to debate that.. infact he is in better position to prove them all wrong and then allow others to use his performance / behavior as ammo for their arguements.
THANKYOU
for typing 2/3 of what I needed to say..reading that article just makes me sick. the issue is not race it is physical makeup in referring to the other qb’s. though it is not incidental they are black, its not the issue. you CANNOT compare hardly any white qb’s to black bc few and far between are comparible. every race has its cultural abilities and disabilities with exceptions of course. we too often judge without knowing the motives of a persons actions. even if it is a mistake it has been placed there for learning. not knowing a persons background while judging is completely disrespectful and ignorent..this is my first ever post I have so much to say I can’t possibly do it right now.
by NewtonISnexT on Dec 29, 2011 11:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I always wonder...
if Aaron Rodgers was black, would the media compare him to Michael Vick? Just more accurate? ;)
Welcome to the Cam Cave
I saw your comment, and left a comment as well.
Bomani Jones is hyper-sensitive to anything race related. He says Cam was stupid to say that Russell and Young are to blame for the doubt that swelled around Cam pre-draft (and post-draft to an extent). I think Cam was right, though. I’m not saying people were right to look at JR and VY and say Cam is a chip off the old block, but I think Cam is right when he says that’s where much of the criticism came from.
The article was well written but offered little fact, and seemed to be racially motivated—overpoweringly so.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Cam did steal a laptop. Cam reportedly got accused of cheating at Florida. He was caught up in a huge pay-for-play scandal.
Acknowledging these red flags and then projecting them into “bad attitude, stupid, etc…” is nothing new. Had a white QB had the same red flags, the same things would have been said about him. People had questions about Ryan Mallet, he got grilled, but not to the same extent because he wasn’t an option to go #1 overall.
Clearly Cam has proved everyone wrong, but that doesn’t mean they are racist. I’m sure there are some who are racist, the article written by the one guy about his “fake personality and smile” comes to mind. But the fact remains there were red flags there that were projected onto his game, that is just what happens, that is what critics do.
I am a huge fan of Cam, I just don’t like when every single time that an african american player is criticized, it immediately just becomes racism. Just acknowledge the fact that Cam has done an extraordinary job overcoming the odds and succeeding. Good for him, and good for him for not taking the easy way out and calling everyone racist.
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions
I guess what I'm trying to say
Is no matter what their skin color is – accusations of cheating, stealing, and pay-for-play would raise caution to me about a white player as well. Cam has clearly matured and changed since some of his mistakes at Florida and it was found that he didn’t know about his Dad’s money scandal.
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Re: money scandal...
I don’t know that we can believe that he didn’t know anything about it—I mean, just because the NCAA said they can’t prove that he did know anything about it doesn’t fully absolve him in my mind.
But honestly, even if he did know about it, I don’t care one bit. I won’t fault anyone for trying to get what they’re worth from a monetary standpoint.
Where I draw the line is if its criminal. And no, even if Cam was ‘the bag man’ its still not criminal. Its against NCAA rules, but not the law. So again, even if he did know (which in all likelihood he had a suspicion)—I don’t care and nor should anyone else.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
I just wish they'd pay student atheletes in the money sports already
Schools are essentially pimping these athletes out. Making hundreds of millions of dollars that they won’t see.
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
They're getting a free education - those things are expensive.
The problem is that a good portion of them don’t care about this great opportunity, they’re just biding their time until they can go pro.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Dec 29, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Even if they plan on going straight pro
they should have a back up plan, plus college is a path they have to go through any way to get their, what the schools give them is a platform to showcase talents, not to mention free coaching, experience, room and board, and education
The biggest thing that gets me is how do the schools pay them? it’s like people think that most of these schools have a CEO that is pocketing all of the money. Schools are non profit institutions. All of the money they make goes back into school programs. this money pays for building, landscape, teachers, administrates, coaches, stadiums, and other sports. Schools are required to have a bunch of sports that may not make them money. due to (i think it’s title 9) they have to have as many female sports as male sports. sports like male and female tennis, female soccer, volleyball, swimming, gymnastics, ect. These sports cost more to operate than they bring in and the other sports help pay for them. This is why schools with goof sports teams tend to have nice campuses and good teachers, they have more money to spend. If schools had to pay players than tuition would skyrocket and campus quality would suffer.
On top of all of that it would be extremely un fair. The schools with the most money would get all of the good athletes. Pay for play in college is just impossible.
So because these athletes want some spending money
school should jack up costs of tuition and shutdown non profitable sports teams?
I don't know what you are talking about.
How in heck did you draw that question based on what I posted?
Government sponsored free loans with no real requirements to get them is what jacks up the tuition costs. As far as shutting down non profitable sports teams, I assume you are referring to college athletics that cannot break even or make a profit? The schools can do whatever they want, that is until they go begging for a bailout from the federal government.
On another note, here is my advice to you: Just because a sport doesn’t make money, doesn’t mean that it cannot be restructured to be profitable/break even instead of taking loses. The schools don’t bother with this because up till now, they don’t “have to do it”. Why would you limit your thinking to such a narrow idea of one or the other? Many colleges are extremely wasteful based on the assumption lots of money will always be there. Their bubble will burst as well.
Welcome to the Cam Cave
Exactly
As someone who is currently paying back a ton of student loans, it really pisses me off when people act like these guys aren’t getting anything. I know the majority of them don’t care about their education, but it’s still a good deal. At a big school, their scholarships often add up to $100-200k throughout the course of their college career. It’s no one’s fault but their own if they don’t take advantage of it.
The fact of the matter is
They are bringing in literally millions of dollars to the schools.
They are given scholarships in return.
As for big name schools, I just did a quick google search for LSU rates.
Housing for 4 years at LSU is approx. $26k
In state Tuition for 4 years is approx. $25.5k
That totals $12,500 a year given back to athletes.
When you add in grants and a part time job that I worked at when I was in school, I most certainly earned more than the $12.5k these athletes are getting.
The difference is that they are bringing in millions of dollars to the school, and I’m not bringing in any money aside from my tuition.
I don’t think they should be paid a huge amount of money, but I don’t think having a stipend would be out of the question at all.
I didn't realize LSU was that cheap to attend
I went to Penn State where in state tuition is about 16k per year, and room and board is roughly 9k per year. That’s 100k. There are certainly schools that are more (or less) expensive. that still isn’t taking into account the costs of additional services offered to athletes at most schools such as private tutors.
Also keep in mind that big time college football and basketball programs help to support the other non-revenue sports. If it wasn’t for football players bringing in millions, there would be no woman’s soccer team.
Plus, thanks to Title 9, if you pay football or basketball players, you would be required to pay ALL student athletes.
Combine this with the fact that there are fewer than 20 D1 schools nationally with self-sustaining athletics departments (i.e. they don’t use state or tuition money to fund athletics, and it makes the idea of paying athletes questionable at best.
If you have a athletic department operating in the black, then I could see paying players. If not, I think it’s out of the question.
I just pulled LSU out of the air
and googled the tuition. I picked them just because they’re #1 right now.
I’m sure other schools are more expensive.
I understand the difficulties involved in giving them additional stipends and whatnot, I’m not clamoring and greatly upset that they aren’t getting paid, they are also given publicity to NFL teams for possible future earnings
However, I did know some football players at KU, and I had more spending money than some of them did, and they were forbidden to have part time jobs during the school year as well.
I suppose what I would be more in favor of than even stipends, would be to allow them to use their celebrity in college to get money from advertisement and/or endorsements.
I agree with the last paragraph
They shouldn’t be paid directly, but they shouldn’t be hindered from doing what anybody else would be allowed to do because they’re an athlete.
The student athletes are "all" getting the same benefits.
Male and female athletics are all getting tuition, room and board as well as a monthly stipend. If they don’t like it, they should quite school so that they won’t be “exploited” any more. It’s a free country. You are making it seem like they have no choice in the matter.
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I googled a few random schools tuitions
The average was between 10 and 20k per year. So it looks like you happened to pick a cheaper school and I picked a more expensive one.
Regardless, my point was that people make it sound like they’re being exploited. You may not have said it, but many many people have. I say they aren’t being exploited for the following reasons:
1. Those “millions” are being reinvested in MANY other sports programs. Colleges are non-profit so it isn’t like the school is hording this money. Sure, I’ll buy that ADs and coaches are overpaid in most major programs. But the vast majority of that income is reinvested in student athetic programs.
2. This is further evidenced by the fact that very few programs are in the black. If the athletic department isn’t even making a profit, how can you sit there and make it sound like the school is just sleeping in piles of money.
3. Regardless of the school, tuition is not cheap. Add in Room, board, tutoring, facility access and that;s a pretty sweet deal. Trust me, I’d be ecstatic if I didn’t have to repay student loans until I’m 35.
As far as spending money goes? I’m fine with them earnign endorsements or advertisements. I do see lots of examples where schools profit directly off players (e.g. selling game worn equipment, putting players on merchandise, jerseys). In those cases, I would fully support the players being able to get [at least a cut] of that money,
More directly though, I say just let them be able to take out loans. If they’re so upset about their lack of spending money, let them take out a few thousand a year in loans. I had plenty of friends in college who took one or two thousand extra out on their loans so that they could have spending money without working. I say give athletes the ability to do the same.
I would never say that they are being exploited
They are getting something in return for what they are giving.
I think that for most players, they are getting adequate compensation for what they are bringing the school.
However, there are also student athletes who certainly bring in FAR more to the school than what they are compensated for.
I’m not opposed to them getting some kind of a stipend, but I’m not exactly an advocate of it either, if that makes sense.
I am a strong advocate of allowing endorsements/ads simply because it’s based on that players specific marketability.
I dont think the schools owe them anything
One player does not bring in a ton of money. Just because a player brings in money means they should get paid? They chose to go to that school and they also get a lot more than free education. They also get free food, gym, coaching, practice field, exposure. Do you think it’s fair that while I pay 10+ thousand dollars a year for my education that these athletes should be getting paid for being there? My money is to pay for them and my tuition should go up so that they can play? whats next, highschool player should be paid? they bring in money for there schools, why is that any different.
Highschool players don't bring in millions of dollars
College football and basketball are big business.
This is the reason the coaches are paid enormous salaries every year.
I could pick 10 players in the last 4 years that have easily generated over a million dollars each for Kansas.
Those players receive the same benefit as the women’s basketball team players that actually costs the university money.
Yes, I think the players should be compensated in some way for the additional revenue they generate.
My thought is that they shouldn’t be punished for taking endorsements and advertising money.
My thought is that they shouldn’t be punished for taking endorsements and advertising money.
That much I will give you. I think they should have the right to make money through advertisements and endorsements. (as long as it is approved by the University, You don’t want your athlete getting a deal from the local strip club). But in no way should they be paid from the schools
They cannot allow endorsement deals because
the schools themselves are getting specific endorsement deals. The schools would then lose money. If that were allowed then the players wouldn’t get free rides and they can pay to go to school like the majority do.
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That doesn't actually make a lot of sense
Next year, Nike will be the NFLs sponsor.
Michael Vick also has a Nike endorsement deal. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
I see absolutely no reason that a company cannot sponsor a program as well as individuals on that program.
You have to consider that Addidas, Reebok, Puma, etc...
These would end up being conflicts of interest with the “official sponsor”. For example, if Coke is the beverage sponsor of a University yet certain players are entered into contract with Pepsi and do ads and promotions for them. This scenario won’t work on a University level.
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Why wouldn't it work?
Gatorade has a contract with the NFL, yet Brian Urlacher has a contract with Vitamin Water.
I fail to see how allowing a player to make personal endorsements and advertisements would have an impact on the teams sponsorships.
I don't think they should pay them
But I think they should definitely lay off on the regulations regarding amateurism. This issue was discussed on ESPN one day and one of the panelists made the comparison that a music student can put on an off-campus performance and make money off it and be just fine. But if a college athlete gets a gift from anybody that may be tied to the sport they play, they face very severe punishment.
This.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Please don’t tell me I shouldn’t care about the face of our franchise being a cheat. People who cheat, or otherwise cut corners, don’t have what it takes to be a leader. They won’t work hard enough to perform what is compulsory to be a leader.
It’s kind of like a college degree. Does a college degree mean you’re especially smart? No. There are plenty of smart people without degrees, and stupid people with them. So then why do you need a degree to get a good job? Because it demonstrates to your prospective employers that you’re willing to jump through whatever hoops it takes to be successful. It shows them that you’re willing to work hard without cutting corners or doing something “illegal”, no matter how silly the rules may seem to you.
It seems a pretty major equivocation to say that it’s okay to break these rules here, but not those over there. Cam’s done great thus far, but to act like his journey is done simply because the moral issue seems to be in the past is faulty logic. Which Cam are we going to see when it’s time to resign a contract here in Carolina? The Cam that wants money above and beyond the players around him that work just as hard as he does? Or the Cam that’s been so effervescent, so personable, so likable and agreeable, such a huge coup for this franchise?
This is what I’m saying: everything matters. Every single bit of a person’s behavior matters. Especially when you want to hire this guy to be The Guy. There’s still something of a strange dichotomy to Cam; a very humble, noble, intelligent guy who seems to relish the spotlight and the attention and all the commensurate rewards that come along with that. But we can’t just take the most palatable parts of his personality and apply those and ignore all the stuff he’s maybe not so proud of.
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by The Kackalack Kid on Dec 30, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
So taking a couple hundered thousand from some fat old rich booster in Mississippi (who is a willing giver) is morally reprehensible?
This isn’t a church league, man.
Get what you can while the gettin’ is good. I don’t fault Cecil. And I certainly don’t fault Cam.
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Get what you can while the gettin’ is good.
Thank you for fully explaining and expressing the problem with society today
I have had more than my share of financial struggles
I have lived in a trailer and several crappy apartments, lost electricity, gas, phone, ect. Luckily me and my family own a small restaurant and have always had the availability of food. No matter how much me or my family have struggled we never once thought of stealing or taking advantage of the system. Honesty is something that is lost in America and It really makes me sad to think that this is how people are and choose to act.
by pcroadrage on Dec 30, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Honestly, I think people often confuse the words Honesty and Integrity.
Honesty is over-rated. Integrity is what is lacking, not just in America, but throughout the world.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
And to be frank...
That ‘deal’ is exactly what America was founded upon. So…
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
Funny...
I always thought that it had something to do with seeking political, tax, and religious freedom from repressive European Kings, Queens, and dictators…
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Sure, if you want to ignore the crux of the debate...economics...
Capitalism, noun: (Compare socialism free enterprise), Also called: private enterprise an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange, characterized by the freedom of capitalists to operate or manage their property for profit in competitive conditions…
I like to think of myself as a one-man wolfpack.
In my humble opinion.
sure you had some people motivated by economics, but you had plenty of others motivated by the desire for independence. Everyone’s motives may not have been perfect, but what is in this world?
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 31, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...it was freedom. The freedom to not have to share goods and money with the Brits. :-)
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by BW Smith on Dec 30, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Lol! They can keep their tea though.
We got Bojangles.
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really?
The American ideal is that someone can be honest and work hard to obtain their hopes and dreams.
Nah...that's just what they put on the propaganda to get people to live here. :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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by BW Smith on Dec 30, 2011 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Something to consider...
I understand your belief’s
This isn’t a church league, man.
Get what you can while the gettin’ is good. I don’t fault Cecil. And I certainly don’t fault Cam.
Here is where the harm is. Cam and/or his father “AGREED” to follow the rules of the NCAA. They agreed to a contract, plain and simple, full disclosure contracts/agreements must be honored in this country. Lying and deceptive practices should never be tolerated…ever.
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I read somewhere that Newton bought
the stolen laptop. I also read that he was accused of cheating but not proven. And I read about the pay for play thing being settled that he didn’t know about it. Like you said those are flags that any race would be critized about, but none of it was proven. But as we all know, from the Roethlisburger incident, the NFL doesn’t need anything to be proven. By the way, Roethlisburger was put under a microscope, nothing proven, was suspended for like 5 games,,,,, and he was WHITE.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
exactly
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
About as ridiculous as adrian peterson saying that the NFL is like modern slavery… My head still hurts every time I think of that.
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seriously
You get paid tens of millions of dollars to play a game, yet it is like slavery? are you f-n kidding me.
And with the NBA lockout, they called David Stern a plantation owner or whatever
I just wish people would stop looking to pull the race card at everyone opportunity.
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
I would be severely offended if I were an African American after hearing that. If that is “slavery”, then what do we call the sh!t that happened back in the 17th and 18th centuries?
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That wasn't slavery...it was "involuntary servitude".
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He was white? Did he change color recently?
Just getting your goat Bernz…I know what you meant.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I thought rowthisburger was orange
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LOL @ rowthisburger
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Don't forget Roethlisberger also had a crew cut!
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The pay for play is a non issue. I played at an SEC school and if you are a player u get something if you touch the field. And who knows if he knew the laptop was stolen. This happens all the time, i have been in the barbershop and a guy has come in there with laptops selling them for $200 did I buy one, YES. This is not bad character that is called a hookup. And when football players have Study hall and tutors what do you think that is?
by letsmakethishappen on Dec 29, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
What laptop did he steal?
You say that as if it were fact.
Well he received stolen goods at the least.
And the one that he threw out of a window. =P
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Mallet was an option to go in the first round though.
He fell to the third (and that’s something that I think the league is going to kick themselves for – more so if the Colts draft Luck. Then the Patriots and the Colts will continue being v.good for the next decade) due to character concerns.
I’ve said before, at this point the NFL doesn’t care about race. They just care about if you can produce (and stay!) on the field.
Newton had a bunch of red flags concerning his character, but quite frankly he seems to have grown up. Our team did their homework on him – something journalists, broadcasters and their sources failed to do.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Cam did steal a laptop. Cam reportedly got accused of cheating at Florida. He was caught up in a huge pay-for-play scandal.
Acknowledging these red flags and then projecting them into "bad attitude, stupid, etc…" is nothing new. Had a white QB had the same red flags, the same things would have been said about him. People had questions about Ryan Mallet, he got grilled, but not to the same extent because he wasn’t an option to go #1 overall.
I agree and disagree. No one seemed to hear about Blaine Gabberts under age drunk in public fight outside of a pizza place. It was reported that the cops had to hand cuff him. Point being that you didn’t hear this talked about during the draft process and many people don’t even know about it. Just saying if Newton had that same issue it would for sure be a “point of interest”
Is no matter what their skin color is – accusations of cheating, stealing, and pay-for-play would raise caution to me about a white player as well. Cam has clearly matured and changed since some of his mistakes at Florida and it was found that he didn’t know about his Dad’s money scandal.
Something wasn’t right about that and I don’t think we will ever know. But everyone had a right to be suspect of that situation it just sounded bad…regardless of race.
But yea i agree with that
Well I remember when we picked Jimmy Clausen for the first time. I supported him and wanted him to be a success, but somewhere in the back of my mind I had a hard time believing in a guy that’s gonna run around and get his arse kicked in local bars. The sooner he is cut the better. God help us if Cam was to ever go down and we had to trust in that maggot to bring us home the W. He’s more likely to knock himself out with a miss-thrown ball.
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Don't make me break out my Clausen defence, cos I will.
As I said I only believe in two things on CSR. That’s one of them.
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Have at it.
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Haha...rec'd. =)
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
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I can't believe you're taking credit for my own joke! =P
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I guess it is overblown to say that
but I do feel like there was a better way to address it than comparing to VY and Russell. If I was a PR guy, I’d probably have him refrain from naming anyone and just talk against it in general
I see your point, but I believe this silly over-sensitive society is beyond pathetic.
He was being compared to them, why hide it. I feel he should’ve named all the dumbasses in the media that compared him to them. I would’ve been more than happy to toss those knuckleheads under the bus.
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He did
Buy the stolen laptop. He did not actually steal it.
Gah, I’m so sick of this… this is why this will forever be an issue in our world.
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agreed
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Dec 29, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
There is something to be said on the theory that human thought is based on what is spoken.
When we all stop talking about racism, is that when the problem will fix itself? I think it is. The next generations will not be conditioned to think and act on racism and the problem will phase itself out over the due course of time.
I think it’ll phase itself out eventually anyway, but a lot of factors are slowing the process very much. Stupid articles like this saying that ‘nothing at all’ stopped people from criticizing Cam Newton except racism is a perfect example. Hopefully I see it in my lifetime. But the end of racism won’t be brought on by any one particular person. That battlefield is in the human mind and will be fought with words. And as usual, common sense will win out in the end.
It’ll just take a while.
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by Revshawn on Dec 29, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm cynical
The world will always hold some number of ignorant assholes who think they’re smart enough to hate someone on a preconceived notion.
by disgruntled1 on Dec 29, 2011 6:31 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The world will always hold some number of ignorant assholes who think they’re smart enough to hate someone on a preconceived notion.
Human beings are stupid i like animals better.
And all of the humans on earth are like:
>.>
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Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it!
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Normally I like to hear the opinions of Bomani Jones on "Around the Horn"
However, his assessment of Cam’s comments could not be further from the truth. Cam is justified in what he said. Pre-draft, Cam was compared mostly to none other to Jamarcus Russell. So, yes, he has a valid argument. As for Vince Young, I will slightly disagree based on how talented he started out in the beginning. But in the end, its not about racism. Cam pretty much said he wasn’t going to be another Russell. That Russell wasted his talent and career. I saw the video on ESPN with Skip Bayless and Stephen Ashmore. They didn’t have any problems with Cam’s comments though Bayless felt Young was in a no win situation in Tennessee. Jones was off base in his article and should have found something else to write about other than bashing our QB’s words and taking them out of context.
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 29, 2011 5:32 PM EST reply actions
I really enjoying hearing Bayless
eat his words about Cam. He’s so obsessed with Tebow he refused to believe that someone else would revolutionize the position. It probably makes it that much worse that he was once a backup to Tebow.
"One step at a time"
Looking back on the season ...
How does J/R’s comment about tattoos and piercings look today?
How does J/R’s comment about tattoos and piercings look today?I think it is JR is within his right to want his employee’s to represent a certain image. I mean i am sure FedX doesn’t want a guy showing up to your house with a Pink MoHawk and a Fedx uniform giving you a package. It is funny to think that could be looked at in any other way. He wants to protect his products image and he is right
Might just be me ..
I think it makes Cam a lot more marketable for endorsement deals.
by criolle johnny on Dec 30, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
The main thing that irritates me is where he says that the most of the criticism on Cam Newton during the draft was based on 'nothing at all.'
In other words, racism. That’s what I have a problem with the most.
First off it’s not true. Cam Newton had a lot of things people had questions about. His father and the NCAA accusations and his accusations about stealing laptops in Florida was just the tip of the iceburg. To look the other way and say that all of his critics were simply racist is academically irresponsible.
Secondly, Cam Newton shouldn’t be criticized for not calling his critics racist. That’s silly. He is being the bigger man and not falling into that trap of being viewed as vindictive towards people who had their doubts about him in the past. He is letting his play on the field build his legacy and people will respect him more for that. I know I do.
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That was a great response by you
Cam’s response to these questions say’s alot about his character
I’m glad to see him rise all above this stuff
Articles like this can leave a bad taste in many peoples mind and it speaks to his maturity to handle this the way he did
Even if he believes his critics are raciest the best way to handle this is to prove them wrong by being the QB he is on the field and the person he is off the field and let other people debate it among themselves
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 6:23 PM EST reply actions
Even if he believes his critics are raciest the best way to handle this is to prove them wrong by being the QB he is on the field and the person he is off the field and let other people debate it among themselves
Until the “tebow aura” dies and people stop hating on Cam for no good reason, that prolly won’t happen anytime soon…
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Only the people in Denver and espn over hype Tebow
But it’s hard not to like the guy it’s not his fault all these fools blow everything out of proportion he does
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 29, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. It’s not that dislike the guy personally, rather I feel like vomiting every time I hear his name on the TV… the media is really pushing this too far. Lucky for all the sane people the broncos have lost these last few games, otherwise the hype would have been at an all time high.
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I have to agree.
Tebow is just being who he is. Entirely too many fools are making entirely too much about his choice of religion.
He offended feminists with his pro-life commercial during the Super Bowl, and has been catching buckets of abuse for just about everything he’s done since. I cannot help but wonder if the two (or fifty+) are connected.
I’m not a real Tebow fan, but I have to marvel at the inconsistencies in the coverage of him.
He won six in a row and it was “too soon to judge”.
Then he lost one game and “see we told ya”!
We the viewers, are expected to be too dumb to notice this.
by criolle johnny on Dec 29, 2011 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Those expectations of the viewers being too dumb to notice....
are generally right on point. I’m actually at the point to which I believe a lot of people that I know are actually offended that they even have to think…about anything.
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Tebow offended a lot more than "Feminists"
He pissed me off because as a college player, he injected his personal beliefs in a professional game, on a day where most people in this country shut the fuck up about their beliefs and just enjoy an experience together.
Also, I find it funny that you effectively belittle half of the planet in a thread discussing racism. I’m not sure how “feminist” became a bad word, but promoting equality (in my humble opinion) is not a bad thing. If you meant “Pro-Choice” people, that is one thing. But trust me, there are feminists who are pro-life.
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The media has destroyed my desire to root for Tebow
I was defending him coming into the season, but now I root against the Broncos every week. I just can’t stand to hear about it anymore and hear one player get all the credit for a team effort, especially when that same player is resolved of all guilt when the team loses.
I was a Tebow fan coming into the season, but now I’m rooting for the Kyle Orton-led Chiefs to knock the Tebows out of the playoffs as a fitting end to the circus this season has been in Denver. I still like Tebow as a person, and I wish him success in the coming years as long as his success is not beaten into our heads by the media.
Skip Bayless is the worst sometimes I would like to reach through the TV and knock him in the head
But I dont believe Tebow will be around more then a couple of years
There has been way to much Pressure put on him with all the hype
Theres no way he can ever live up to it
And his biggest fans are doing it to him themselves
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 30, 2011 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
The magic has worn off these past two weeks and I think they are more representative of what he brings for the long haul. It’s a shame that his biggest fans seem to repress his flaws and make excuses for him. I think the flukey wins he was getting were exactly what Elway and Fox didn’t want for the long term because I’m sure they can see his glaring flaws and they know his success is going to make Tebow’s following even more rabid.
yup
and now that they let Orton go they’re stuck with Tebow next year. Unless He steps His game up big time they’ll be drafting QB again in 2013.
Even if he plays poorly
I still think there will be fans saying he wasn’t given a fair shot or that he was improving or that he didn’t have enough help around him.
Or he could, you know
actually show improvement with an offseason behind the starting offense.
I’m not saying Tebow will be the next Newton, but I don’t think he’s a completely lost cause either.
I'm not saying he can't get better
But he has a ton of work to do. I can’t say I know for certain he won’t improve this offseason, because he definitely has the drive and work ethic to make it happen. But I’m skeptical because he’s had years to fix his mechanics and the like and there hasn’t been a whole lot of difference. I’m just saying that I think he will always have a crazy group of followers and avid supporters, even if he plays poorly.
I still wish the guy well, as long as his success isn’t shoved down my throat.
Bayless does it on purpose.
He holds the lightning rod at the picnic. He does it to draw attention to ESPN for ratings. People watch just to get mad at him.
It works.
Howard Cosell did the same thing for Monday Night Football years back.
It worked.
If I recall correctly, Denver sports bars had raffles to see who could throw a brick at the television at half time to hit Howard.
Panthers fan clubs might want to do the same for Skip.
by criolle johnny on Dec 30, 2011 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
apparently i never activated my account on the main SBN site
but I would rec you to the end of the earth for that post Revshawn!
Read the article and the comments,
then came here and read the comments and it was just another reminder of how much I enjoy discussion with the CSR faithful. There are people who sit on one side or the other and even stradddle the middle. Regardless, the argument is made with logic and respect. Something the other comment thread seriously lacked.
I’m of the opinion that there were legit concerns with Superman that were front page news because he was destined to be picked #1. I also agree that there were a few that probably had pre-conceived bias of black QB’s or worse, black men in general.
Obviously, the latter are dead wrong to paint with such broad brush strokes. Conversly, the son of a bitch who wrote this article dipped that brush in thinner and re-used it. He then called out our QB for taking the high road all in the pursuit of “hits” while fueling the fire he supposedly wants to extinguish.
I commend Cam for the way he handled the question. He also came that much closer to being the Icon by saying without actually saying "I’m not dwelling on STEREOTYPES, rather I’m gonna set STANDARDS that will help promote and make things better for the next man (RG3).
I fucking love me some Cam Newton. Gonna love him even more when whoops that Who Dat ass Sunday!
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by Swamp Panther on Dec 29, 2011 10:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Thanks Floods. I felt it was all getting a liitle
too serious so I wanted to make sure to throw in we’ve got the game of the year IMO coming up…next year…Sunday :)
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 29, 2011 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As I stated above I like Cam also he has been much more then anyone ever thought
But you will be disappointed this weekend lol but thats a discussion for another post
Why no ask CSR yet
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 30, 2011 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
Why is it that whever a black athlete soars to new heights
that some talking head comes out and starts saying that any criticism is race based. I remember something very similar when Tiger Woods was beating everyone and winning majors like they were his own private tournaments.
I’m so tired of the constant banging of the race drum. There appears to be an unwritten law that if you’re black and talented and famous, you OWE the black community in some fashion and have to use your stature to bang the drum as well.
Tiger blew it off and pissed off a lot of people, including the “Reverend” Jesse Jackson and his ilk. Apparently Cam is taking the same approach, and I fear it won’t be long before we start hearing him referred to as Uncle Tom or worse.
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by Panther Fan in GA on Dec 30, 2011 8:39 AM EST reply actions
Consider the following:
Why is it that whenever a black athlete soars to new heights that some talking head comes out and starts saying that any criticism is race based.
It’s because they have great big microphones in front of them, and people are dumb enough to listen.
I agree that athletes don’t owe anything to their communities. The talking heads that say they should take a public stance are the same ASSHOLES that would criticize them had they taken a stance on an issue. I think the general criticism goes something like this…“I don’t want to know what an athlete thinks about ________ issue, they should just play their sport and go about their business.” I watched Stephen A Smith rant about MJ and Tiger (on separate topics) for not taking a public stance.
Stephen A = ignorant talking head
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It didn't help that John Daley wanted to order fried chicken and greens for the following years masters dinner
But I think most of that was said in fun
by mississippisaintsfan on Dec 30, 2011 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
That was Fuzzy Zoeller - not Daly
And Fuzzy was known as big jokester – he obviously stepped in it in a huge way and apologized the next day. Tiger just shrugged it off, too.
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by Panther Fan in GA on Jan 1, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
If you think it's bad in sports...
look at politics lol
by Penn Panther Fan on Dec 30, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently Cam is taking the same approach, and I fear it won’t be long before we start hearing him referred to as Uncle Tom or worse.
most people won’t think this. But all you have to have is “some people”. Overall he is a kid and shouldn’t have to worry about representing anyone but himself. He can engage issues like that better in retirement and with books after his career. During his career the best thing he can do is play quarterback really well and be a good person off the field. That is how he can do the best to help.
I wholeheartedly agree
It’s the “being a good person” that I truly believe will serve his well. If youy haven’t read this story in the CO yet, you really should.
The only problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
-Margaret Thatcher
by Panther Fan in GA on Dec 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Link Fail
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/12/29/2883794/cam-newtons-gesture-creates-special.html
The only problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
-Margaret Thatcher
by Panther Fan in GA on Dec 30, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
great article bomani!!!
it was an probing and insightful article and i am a better person for having read it. I cant relate to being at the top of my game as an athlete and have to play in canada because my only sin is my skin. i cant relate to having very essence as a man questoned by someone that has never met me(nolan nawrocki) because of my color. i cant relate to retired quarterbacks(terry bradshaw) saying that they would take all other qb’s before me although they are clearly inferior. icant relate to being dragged out of my house and being hanged in front of my wife and children. i cant relate to being called ignorant and savages because iwas born on the african continent. i cant relate to being castrated in front of my pregnant wife,breeding fear in the unborn child (son) i cant relate to writing an article and calling a thing what it is and is called allsort of unspeakable names. (freedom of speech) i’ve read this year on csr after cam had a bad game the fans would talk about him ln an ugly waylike he was a 5 year vet and not a rookie. it seem that when an journalist or anyone brings up race as an issue that white try to intimidte them into not speaking about it. i cant relate to those things but if i could i would probabaly call it racism also. there were 6 million jew’s killed but whites dont tell jews to forget the holocaust: conversely, there were 100 million africans killed as a result of slavery but we tell blacks to forget it; stop playing the race card; etc;etc;. racism needs to be talked about and because some dont want to here about it does’nt negate it’s need to be talked about.
Really?
i cant relate to those things but if i could i would probabaly call it racism also. there were 6 million jew’s killed but whites dont tell jews to forget the holocaust: conversely, there were 100 million africans killed as a result of slavery but we tell blacks to forget it; stop playing the race card; etc;etc;. racism needs to be talked about and because some dont want to here about it does’nt negate it’s need to be talked about.
There are so many things wrong with these comments I don’t even know where to begin. I guess you can just speak on behalf of everyone? Why don’t you stereotype everyone and everything?
Welcome to the Cam Cave
I stopped reading your comment under Bomani's article
When you described the Auburn offense run by Cam as “a simple one-read and then run” offense.
Which just goes to show that you bought into the bullcrap the critics were spewing about Cam, his intelligence, and the offense that he ran just like everybody else did last year.
Here’s a hint for you: Auburn’s offense under Gus Malzahn used MULTIPLE receivers and the QB, on a pass play, was supposed to check down his reads just like any other QB does who lines up in a pro-style offense. And guess what? Cam DID… and he did it successfully. And he did it successfully for an ENTIRE season.
So… if you are trying to justify your position with utter inaccuracies, why should I give what you say any credence at all?
i have already beat Panther fans over the head with this for 8 months Tiger7
Most get it.. i think
But don’t take it too personel. There are some that will think he ran a one read and run offence even if you show video of every snap. That is just how it is.
It is on Cams Court to blow the NFL up until no one can say anything but “damn”
Because not everyone takes one small, insignificant part of a post they disagree with and uses it to discredit the whole argument and throw accusations.
Hell, I could do that all day. That’s like looking at someone and telling them they don’t have a good smile because they’re missing a tooth. You would be better served to address my main point, which is my inability to understand why calling his critics racist would benefit Cam Newton as a professional football player. Then we can actually have discussion and go somewhere with it.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
That guy's an idiot.
Who caused black QBs to be viewed as inaccurate, lazy and dumb?
Jamarcus Russel and Vince Young
CAM....CAAAAAAAAM
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