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We haven't done a Paw Prints in a while and given there is so much to talk about I thought it would be a good way to cover a lot of topics. We have a number of good stories from this week's victory over the Bucs starting with our newest member.

I'm sure your familiar with Jonathan Nelson and his big contribution. What I love is how he said the Panthers staff made it easy for him and what he had to say about the atmosphere in the locker room

Nelson delivers on short notice
"When the day started, I was thinking special teams, and then maybe I'll spell some guys if they're tired or happen to get nicked up," Nelson said. "But when they told me an hour before the game, it actually wasn't too jaw-dropping just because the environment around here as far as the coaches and players, they don't put too much pressure on you. "It's not like everybody is sweating bullets around here. You have guys like Sherrod and Charles that are like, 'Hey, just go in there and do what you do.' It makes it real simple."

I take the 'not sweating bullets' thing as a positive, that the Panthers have a very confident, supportive and open environment in the clubhouse. I think it portends a place players want to come and play. I bet we get serious looks from any free agent we reach out too this offseason.

I highlight this next one because I am in fear that CB Chris Gamble will be the biggest snub for the Pro Bowl team.

Rivera still sees room for improvement

"Also, watch the way Chris Gamble played. There were three instances in the game where Gamble made tackles inside the box as a corner. That to me is impressive. That speaks really high of him."

This plays to Gamble's ability to diagnose a play quickly and react, the same reason so many QBs are loath to throw at him.

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I was very happy to read the Panthers were very focused on ending this negative trend:

Panthers roll past Buccaneers

"The third quarter has kind of been our nemesis. We've really had a lot of letdowns, so to come out still hot was great," left tackle Jordan Gross said. "We had a three-and-out in the third quarter, and everybody was upset about it. That was good a sign."

A 21-0 3rd quarter is a good sign indeed. Let's toast to future 3rd quarter success [clink of glasses].

In the 'good news on the injury front' department Ron Rivera reports he is very impressed with Jeff Otah's work ethic:

Carolina Panthers team report: Jeff Otah could be key piece - NFL - Sporting News

"Jeff's here every day working out, doing a heck of a job. Real happy about what he's done," Rivera said. "Truthfully, it's one of those things where you do it reluctantly, saying four to six weeks he could be healthy. But you go, 'Yeah, but what if he's not?'"

It sounds like Otah could play now if he wasn't on IR. I love the sound of that. I know many of you out there are ready to throw in the towel on Otah but if BAMF likes what he is seeing then I think we should all be excited that our road grader will be back and healthy next season for our 2012 run to the Super Bowl.

You won;t catch me playing the game of 'What Ifs' when you have three games that need different outcomes, but it nice to see that as bad as the season seemed to start, in the end we were only a handful of plays from being in competition for a WC slot.

Too late for 'what if' game for Panthers | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper

Prevent the late punt return touchdown in the opener at Arizona. Get the Minnesota game into overtime with a last-second field goal. Don't collapse during the second half in the second game against Atlanta. Flip the outcome of those games and that's nine wins and so much is different.

"Just dwelling on what could have been. In my mind, I always think about that," quarterback Cam Newton said. "We're a couple plays away from being a top contender in the playoffs - with turnovers, miscues, games that were lost under seven points. "That's not a skill set. That's not the team's better than us. That's not got outplayed. That's just a small thing of whether this particular person, whether myself, whether another person, didn't get it and were not thorough throughout the game. We've just got to focus on that in the offseason."

It's an understatement to say this team is riding a lot of confidence right now.

Speaking of which, a serious shot of confidence could come from a season closing victory over the Saints, provided the Saints have something to play for:

Panthers expect Saints' best shot | CharlotteObserver.com & The Charlotte Observer Newspaper
"You want their best shot, because you want to give your best shot and you want to take their best shot. And for us it's the measuring stick," Rivera said Monday. "This team is one of those teams that you do want to measure yourself against because of who they are, the quality of players they are, how well they're coached, going into their environment. "There's going to be a lot at stake for them as well. So we can most certainly still have an impact on the playoffs."

As it stands now if the Saints win and the 49ers lose then they get the #2 seed and a bye. I would think that is something to play for.

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It’s an understatement to say this team is riding a lot of confidence right now.

And THAT, PantherTrain (and anyone else who agrees with his “lose to get a better pick” strategy), is why WINNING is more important than a higher draft pick.

Mark it down, keep it in a mini-journal in your pocket, and use it as a reference going forward.

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

To be fair I did see a comment from him recently...

saying he was changing his opinion on that notion. If beating the Saints (and going 3-3 in NFC South) means we draft 12th instead of 9th then so be it. I’ll be happy. To finish the season winning 5 of 6 would be Camtastic!

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by Jaxon on Dec 27, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh...

Just wait a few days, his opinion will change. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Just like the weather in Boone

If you don’t like PT’s opinion, wait five minutes. It’ll change.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 1:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

I have a question BW Smith

Knowing what you know now, would you rather have 2 additional wins last year but not have gotten Newton, or the no change and get Newton?

by Aleins4u on Dec 27, 2011 12:41 PM EST reply actions  

Thats a tough question

I know I’m not BW but this is an interesting question. Its hard for me to look back on last year and compare these two years. Last year we didn’t really have the ability to win 2 more games and we were definitely going into total rebuilding. This year we have the talent to beat any team out there and there is a big isn’t difference between 9th and 12th. You can get very similar players at those spots. This year losing for draft picks doesn’t make sense because we aren’t very far from being a playoff contender. But that’s a good question no matter what side you are on.

by gaineristheman on Dec 27, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Rec'd

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 27, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I totally agree, BW ... and then, I wonder about the Colts this week.

They’ve won 2 straight, and playing a Jags team that I think they can beat. The Rams play the Niners, who I think will beat them even if they rest their starters.

Interesting point: If our game stays at 1:00, the Niners will know whether the Saints won when they kickoff at 4:00. If the networks move us to 4:00, the Niners will have to be scoreboard watching before benching their starters.

Anyways, the Colts could fall to the 2nd slot with a win, which means they have to compete with other teams trying to trade up for Neckbeard. So, if you’re a Colts fan, do you want the win (not addressed to BW specifically)?

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 27, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that the Colts fans would rather have the #1 pick.

Based off of the people I see in the stands at their games.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 27, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

And, what if you're a Rams' fan? You could get a windfall of picks by losing, if the Colts should win.

So, are there two fanbases that are legitimately pulling for their team to lose? I’m staying on the fence on this one, personally.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 27, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

If Jags lose they select 3 or 4. If the Jags win they can be either 5, 6, or 7.

"I may be old but...eh, I forget the rest!"

by GooseCreek on Dec 27, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

No, the 49ers play at St Louis at 1 pm, same time as the Saints play us.

Actually, had our game been flexed to 4, the advantage would have been the opposite. Now there is none.

St. Louis is pitiful, however, and if the Saints see that the Rams are being routed, they’d be well advised to rest their starters in the 4th quarter, or maybe the whole second half.

I considered hoe Payton and Brees handled that last drive last night to be without any class, and so did the Falcons. They said they won’t forget it. Now Brees, after all that celebrating, before the game was even over, has to hope that Tom Brady doesn’t end up with more yds than he’ll have. Personally, I hope we help make that happen.

by bigdavis on Dec 27, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

If we'd won 4 games last year we'd have drafted Dareus or Fairley and Clausen would be taking us to the Playoffs right now.

Also, the Panthers hire me to work in their Front Office – negating my need for a Green Card (although I’d still be willing to pay the tree fiddy ;-) )…….aaaand Al Golden completes his second year at UM.

Meanwhile the Venky’s bid for Blackburn Rovers is rebuffed as new information emerges that they’re jokers. And yeah, world peace is declared. Whatevs.

Ooooh I like this version of history.

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by OldhamA on Dec 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Clausen takes us to the playoffs?

Wake up Oldy, you’re dreaming.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Revisionist history, oldham style.

Remember what you want, disregard the rest, then alter what you don’t like.

by bigdavis on Dec 27, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

[that's the joke]

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Dec 27, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like any politician.

by oldpanther on Dec 27, 2011 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

We're gonna give the Saints a tough game

And what we’ve done the past five/six weeks is EXACTLY what we need heading into next season. The Lions started last year 2-10, won their last four and are looking good heading into the playoffs. A young, talented, hungry, fast team like this with a full offseason to refine their game and come into next year with a full head of steam is gonna be a scary thing for the rest of the league.

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"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton

by Smitty89 on Dec 27, 2011 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly.

Our issue isn’t talent. Sure, we need some talent upgrades at a few positions here and there, but our biggest issues are youth and lack of depth. We will be able to upgrade our talent in the areas that lack, and build quality depth through the draft and free agency this off-season, and with a full off-season of workouts and camps for guys to get 100% familiar with the systems we’ve put in place, next season is going to be something special.

I’m really looking forward to seeing Beason and Davis healthy again to solidify the LB corps, allowing McDermott to utilize some of the exotic blitz packages that he learned from being Jim Johnson’s understudy. Those exotic blitzes are a thing of beauty when they’re used properly, and hopefully next season we’ll have the right personnel on the field to fully take advantage of McDermott’s aggressive defense.

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Don’t hold your breath on Davis.

by oldpanther on Dec 27, 2011 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't wait til Davis comes back and lights it up.

I’ll be waiting for the bevy of people saying “I shouldn’t have doubted him.”

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

For what, two weeks?

Then he’ll get hurt again.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

He should do what Kobe did

Go over to Europe to get treatment on his knee. Didn’t they use stem cells on Kobe’s knee or ankle? He looks years younger and it seems whatever he had done has worked wonders for him.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 27, 2011 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it bad

that even with the context of the conversation, I still thought of Al Davis when I saw Don’t hold your breath on Davis?

by Philipkcks on Dec 27, 2011 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, though...

we should doubt him. Three seasons and three torn ACLs in a row is reason enough to doubt him. I’ll happily eat crow on that one, though.

IMO, if we can’t count on Otah, we can’t count on TD.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 28, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

It should also be noted

that Newton had a lot of question marks on him, a lot of people were ranking him as the 2nd or 3rd best QB in the draft.

We have no way of knowing if he’d be drafted before Carolinas pick, but it’s telling that no team picked a QB from picks 2-7.

by Philipkcks on Dec 27, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

We've done a damn good job of coaching Cam up.

From Weinke to Shula to Chud, they deserve a ton of credit.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 1:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

He's got a good head on his shoulders now.

Hope his new association with Jordan doesn’t eventually lead him down the party and gambling trail.

Not that there’s anything wrong with gambling and partying…two specialties of mine.

Now if he picks up any tips from Jordan on how to better focus on winning, well, I’m all for that.

by bigdavis on Dec 27, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Breaking News- Legadoo Nanana out with broken bone in foot

si.com reporting Legadu is out for the last game

Who will the 3rd WR be? Assuming we use one, that is

by ACA Jester on Dec 27, 2011 1:13 PM EST reply actions  

Not really breaking news, there was a fanshot about it yesterday.

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

It's going to be a combination of Pilares, AE, and Tutu. At leas that's what Rivera said.

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by Efury on Dec 27, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably Pilares.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 27, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Good read, article & comments.

I have a question . It says

As it stands now if the Saints win and the 49ers lose then they get the #2 seed and a bye. I would think that is something to play for.

My question is, if the 49ers lose, do the Saints still have to play for anything other than pride? Maybe someone can post a playoff article about what happens with every team, or what has to happen to help or hurt teams heading into the playoffs.

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by MrBernz on Dec 27, 2011 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, the Saints would still have to win, even if the Niners lose, in order to get the bye.

And you have to look at the timing of the games. We’re currently scheduled to play at 1:00, the Niners at 4:00 (our game could be moved so the world can see Cam). Either way, the Saints have to go into the game trying to win.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 27, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

They already announced the flex game will be Giants-Cowboys

I could be mistaken, but I think they only move the game to the evening game, and don’t mess with the rest of the kickoffs.

by Philipkcks on Dec 27, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

^^

this is true out game is at 1pm no matter what.

by Relax on Dec 27, 2011 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

They have a deadline to flex the schedules,

I am not sure how long in advance they have to announce it but I would think mid week would be too late.

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by MrBernz on Dec 27, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Aints

They’ll try to run it up regardless. Thats what they do. It would tickle hell out of me to knock Brees out of playoffs if he’s still in there late in meaningless game if SF gets big lead.

by oldpanther on Dec 27, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

dont be the 2011 martin

when martin kind of told nelson to just do what you do I kind of thought martin should do what he did last year to me he is the most disapointing member of that d this year has a few picks (not gonna look) but two where tipped balls and all those open field tackles missed I cringe when I see Godfrey come up to the line

by allthatremainsstillowns on Dec 27, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

Great news about Otah!!! He's literally a huge difference maker when he's healthy.

Things are really looking good for next season. But for now, I do so want to kick the ass of the NOt Saints.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 27, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

About Gamble and pro bowl .....

Sorry, I know a lot of Panther fans are high on Gamble but I am afraid it isn’t a snub if #1 corner on worst pass defense in NFL doesn’t make the pro bowl roster.

by Relax on Dec 27, 2011 3:42 PM EST reply actions  

Maybe you should check your records again.

Just saying.

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by MrBernz on Dec 27, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

There are 11 teams who are worse against the pass than the Panthers

I didn’t know that translated to “worst pass defense in the NFL”.

The best way to determine whether or not Gamble (or any DB) deserves to be in the Pro Bowl is to look at what the opposing team’s #1 WR did against him. When you look at it that way, Gamble should be a shoo-in.

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

He's been the second best CB in the league

He ranks behind only Revis in QB rating against.

But hey, what good are facts?

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 27, 2011 4:58 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Gamble is definitely Pro Bowl worthy.

End of Argument:

If I’m really honest I think our third selection may be the best of the lot as quarterbacks have stayed away from Gamble. In 348 passing plays he’s only been targeted 52 times and given up only 22 receptions. Quarterbacks throwing into his coverage have a passer rating of only 48.4 (second only to Darrelle Revis’ 45.4)

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by Efury on Dec 27, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Your looking at the YPA, not the total yards.

But, we do have a pretty bad Secondary.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 27, 2011 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

We give up 8.2 yards per pass attempt

Gamble is having a good year, but I don’t agree that he is a pro bowl snub and I really don’t think it is hard to understand why he is overlooked. Good player, season and personal stats but not a snub.

by Relax on Dec 27, 2011 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

I'll take your word on those stats.

Either way WE might give up 8.2 yards per pass attempt. Gamble doesn’t – he takes his man out of the game.

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by OldhamA on Dec 27, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

This

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by BW Smith on Dec 27, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

If anything Gamble is over looked for being a shut down corner on a very bad secondary. He isn’t thrown to because the rest is being picked apart. Hopefully with a solid #2 corner and Panthers finishing with a bigger record and even more spot light next season Gamble breaks through and makes it next year.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 27, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Gamble

Do you watch games because if you do you would see that they stay the hell away from his side of field. He can’t control whole damn backfield.

by oldpanther on Dec 27, 2011 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Relax

Do you have a favorite team or surf and put intelligent comments in.

by oldpanther on Dec 27, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you seriously watch the games?

NO #1 wide receiver has had a big game against Gamble. Shit he is second only to Revis in QB rating allowed when thrown his way. Please do some damn research before stating your short sighted comments.

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by Efury on Dec 27, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

End of argument:
If I’m really honest I think our third selection may be the best of the lot as quarterbacks have stayed away from Gamble. In 348 passing plays he’s only been targeted 52 times and given up only 22 receptions. Quarterbacks throwing into his coverage have a passer rating of only 48.4 (second only to Darrelle Revis’ 45.4)

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by Efury on Dec 27, 2011 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

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