Favourite 2012 Draft Prospects
by OldhamA on Dec 23, 2011 11:41 PM EST
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Print'Cos I'm bored and I can't sleep on Christmas Eve I thought I'd pose CSR a little exercise (it's Draft related, so if you're not interested in that look away now!).
The exercise is: Regardless of where they WILL be drafted, who is your favourite prospect at each position in this draft? It's not about who you think will be the best per se, just who do you think will be very good.
If nothing else I think it'd be an interesting reference point for us to look back at in two or three years to see who has a keen eye for talent. Keeping it all in one place, rather than having to trawl through thousands of posts to recall what you said about each prospect.
This may die a death, but here goes, my list:
Offence:
QB: Andrew Luck (Stanford)
RB: Lamar Miller (the U)
WR: Devier Posey (Ohio St)
TE: Ladarius Green (Louisiana-Lafayette)
OT: Matt Kalil (USC)
G: David DeCastro (Stanford)
C: Michael Brewster (Ohio St)
Defence:
DT: Jerel Worthy (Michigan St)
DE: Vinny Curry (Marshall)
ILB: Luke Kuechly (Boston College)
OLB: Sean Spence (the U)
CB: Janoris Jenkins (N. Alabama)
S: Mark Barron (Alabama)
Specialists:
K/PR: Joe Adams (Arkansas)
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I'll bite
QB: Andrew Luck
RB: Chris Polk or Trent Richardson
WR: Dwight Jones
TE: Michael Egnew
T: Matt Kalil
G: David DeCastro
C: Michael Brewster
Defense
DT: Alamedu Ta’amu
DE: Quinton Coples
OLB: Zach Brown
ILB: Vontaze Burficit
CB: Cliff Harris
S: Mark Barron
Specialist
K/PR: Can I say Cliff Harris again?
I'm just going to through out some random prospects that i like, not nessesarily my favorite or the best IMO, but interesting ones i like
QB: Moore
RB: James
WR: Streeter
TE: Chichester
T: Kalil
G: Glenn
C: Petrus
DT: Wolfe
DE: Ingram
OLB: Brown
ILB: Burfict
CB: Cliff Harris
FS: Iloka
SS: Armstrong
Yeah he's one of the loyal ones.
I honestly think Forston, Vernon and Streeter are leaving too early. I don’t blame Lamar Miller though because RBs have a short shelf life and he proved this year that he’s an NFL talent.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Interesting choice going with Moore
But I like it. Too many people are hopping on the Andrew Luck train because everyone and their brother is singing his praises
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 25, 2011 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Very interesting considering he doesn't have the arm strength you look for.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
My Favorites...
Offense
QB:Robert Griffin
RB:LaMichael James
WR:Juron Criner
TE:Coby Fleener
OT:Matt Kalil
G:Kelechi Osemele
C:William Vlachos
Defense
DE:Nick Perry
DT:Dontari Poe
OLB:Lavonte David
ILB:Luke Kuechly
CB:Jayron Hosley
S:Tony Dye
ST
KR/PR:Ty Hilton
Panther Pride 'till I die.
My prospect list...
QB-RG3
RB-Chris Rainey
WR-Mohammad Sanu
TE-None
OT-Matt Kalil
OG-Kelechi Osemele
C-T-Bob Hebert
DT-Alameda Ta’ amu
DE-Quinton Coples
OLB-Sean Spence
ILB-Vontaze Burfict
CB-Janoris Jenkins
CB/S-Dre’ Kirkatrick
KR/PR-Travis Benjamin
I like Chris Rainey too.
I think he’s going to be a hell of a third down back for someone.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Being a Georgia fan I've had to watch Rainey and Demps for far too long
If you even think about blinking either are off to the races. From what I’ve seen they can both block well on the rare occasion they don’t get their number called for a third down screen. Huge plus in my book considering this is one of the biggest knocks on this breed of player. Wonder if we will scoop one up? Would be a shiny arsenal of runners in our quiver…
Potent Potables
QB: RG3 (Baylor)
RB: Bobby Rainey (Western Kentucky)
WR: Kendall Wright (Baylor)
TE: Phillip Lutzenkirchen (Auburn)
T: Barrett Jones (Bama)
G: Cordy Glenn (Georgia)
C: Ben Jones (Georgia)
DT: Fletcher Cox (Miss State)
NT: Dontari Poe (Memphis)
DE: Vinny Curry (Marshall)
OLB: Lavonte David (Nebraska)
ILB: James-Michael Johnson (Nevada)
CB: Trumaine Johnson (Montana)
S: Bacarri Rambo (Georgia)
KR/PR: Brandon Boykin (Georgia) …good CB too
P: Kyle Martens (Rice)
*Note I like Dre K (as a S or CB) but didn’t know what to slot him as. Great specimen
I love Lutzenkirchen too, but I'm not sure he's coming out. He's a Jr.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
That and his name wouldn't fit on a jersey.
I’ll be looking for him and Orson Charles (Georgia) in 2013 then if neither decide to come out. I think Orson is staying another year too. Would Love a TE corps of Shock, Barn, & Lutz/Orson. Greg Olsen is a tweener in my book, still love him though.
Check this out from Lutz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgQXZUk9MiA
This was my disguise to get Chud to look at him
He seems to not think FB is a position…not that I’m questioning the demi-God who has resurrected our playbook! Just don’t over look the Lutz!
Cam and Lutz have killer chemistry! Teach Chud how to Lutzie!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPj68CApLlY
I'm going to pick guys that I think will be great value and some "sleepers" as far as current draft positions
QB: Chandler Harnish
RB: Bernard Pierce
WR: Ryan Broyles
TE: George Bryan
T: Andrew Datko
G: Kelechi Osemele
C: Will Vlachos
DT: Gordie Witte
DE: Vinny Curry
OLB: Tank Carder
ILB: Emmanuel Acho
CB: Trumaine Johnson
S: TJ McDonald
P: Ryan Allen- I don’t care where we pick him, kid is a stud
Happy Festivus Everyone!
I'm surprised Kalil isn't to be honest. I figured he'd go back with Barkley.
I guess he can’t turn down the money.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Well, as I understand it...
He’s graduating, but has one year of eligibility left due to red-shirting a year. So, there really is no reason to go back.
How about to win a bowl game?
I knew that he was a redshirt jr. I don’t blame him for leaving he’s a top 5 pick, I’m just a little surprised that he’s not staying to win a bowl game.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
To win a bowl game? Seriously?
He would waste an ENTIRE year doing nothing, since he probably wouldn’t be studying JUST to win a MEASLY bowl game? I don’t know how you thought that would be influential.
Well, given that the bowl game could be the Natty Champ Game...I can kinda see where Oldham is coming from.
I would think he were making a mistake had he went back, but I can see (and respect) a guy trying to win a national title in his last year of eligibility over making millions of dollars to be an NFL rookie.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I totally understand wanting to win a Natty Champ...
But if you’ve finished school? What are you going to be doing the entire year?
You're doing it wrong.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
by OldhamA on Dec 26, 2011 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 27, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'll try, why not
QB-RGIII
RB-David Wilson, Lamichael James
WR-Jeff Fuller
TE-Dwayne Allen
OT-Matt Kalil
OG-David DeCastro
C-David Molk
DE-Jared Crick/Andre Branch
DT-Alameda Ta’amu, Josh Chapman
OLB-Travis Lewis
MLB-Vontaze Burfict
CB-Morris Claiborne
S-Jerrell Young, Antonio Allen
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
I'm a big Chapman fan, he's an often unsung hero of Bama's D
And I think Jeff Fuller will be a stud wherever he lands.
I love Fuller's size
He can probably be had in the third, which will be a steal.
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
Ok, I'll go with...
QB- Andrew Luck
RB- Trent Richardson
WR- Michael Floyd
TE- Dwayne Allen
OT- Matt Kalil
OG- David Decastro
C- Peter Konz
DE- Quinton Coples
DT- Jerel Worthy
OLB- Zach Brown
MLB- Vontaze Burfict
CB- Morris Claiborne
FS- Rob Lester
SS- Mark Barron
A couple of other guys I like are RB Lamar Miller, WR Marvin McNutt, TE Kevin Koger, OLB Sean Spence, QB Nick Foles, and CB Janoris Jenkins.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 25, 2011 1:07 PM EST reply actions
I like this list a lot.
I think if someone can harness Burfict he’s going to be a player in this league. He’s a 15 yard penalty waiting to happen at this point – he plays far too out of control.
As for Barron, he made my list too – the thing is I don’t think he’s all that great in coverage (not that he’s bad), but he makes EVERY tackle. I love that from a SS.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Amen. As far as Burfict and Kuechly go,
I think that Burfict will have the better stats in his first few years in the league, but Kuechly will have the better career overall.
Oh, I also found this OLB from Georgia, Jarvis Jones. Dude has 13.5 sacks this year and 19.5 TFL and led the team in tackles with 69. He’s a Redshirt Sophomore that transferred from USC (SoCal), so he might not declare this year, but in a couple of years he might be a force in the league.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 25, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah Jones is pretty disruptive. Don't think he's coming out though.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I had the HONOR of watching this guy play ball live this year...a lot
He loves the game and only wants to get better. He had 4 sacks and a FF against the rival Florida this year. Even on plays where he doesn’t record the tackle he in the mix, his pursuit is relentless. I cannot advocate this player enough, sadly we will have to wait another year because he does want to stay in school. (Georgia is quietly building something special in the SEC with all the attention on Bama and LSU, rightfully so.) Jarvis is the anchor of the defense and his ability to dissect a play is what gives him such a good advantage off the snap. I would swim the english channel if wound up with him in the ‘13 draft.
Yes, I’m guilty of being a homer but I try to hold it in most of the time. Keep your radar on Jarvis because he truly is a special player who is humbled by the game we all love.
QB: Andrew Luck (Stanford)
RB: Lamar Miller (Miami)
WR: Justin Blackmon (OK State)
TE: Dwayne Allen (Clemson)
OT: Matt Kalil (USC)
G: Kelechi Osemele (IA State)
C: Peter Konz (Wisconsion)
DT: Fletcher Cox (Miss St)
DE: Quinton Coples (NC)
ILB: Dont’a Hightower (Alabama)
OLB: Ronnell Lewis (Oklahama)
CB: Chase Minnifield (Virginia)
S: Ray Ray Armstrong (Miami)
K/PR: Jeff Demps (Florida)
I love Hightower and Ronnel Lewis as prospects
I think Hightower is the type of player to be on RRs LB-radar as well. I’m still trying to get on the Minnifield train though. I’ve seen a lot of people speak highly of him on here but I simply didn’t watch enough UVA football to grade him, how’d he match up against the better ACC receivers?
Ppl need to rec this so it doesn't get lost. Also more ppl need to post their lists!
Appreciate those that have already though. =)
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I don't keep up with college FB enough to give a legit listing or one that would be accurate regarding players actually declaring for the draft.
But since you seemed upset in PT’s thread about getting less comments (and I don’t blame you) I thought I would help your cause. Instead this is the short list of players I wish were coming out and the Panthers could get:
WR – Sammy Watkins, Clemson
DB – Tyrann Mathieu, LSU
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 25, 2011 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm mostly jokin around - I just thought this was a good idea for a thread.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I like the idea, plus it holds people to their opinions. :^)
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 25, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
Oldham, I LOVE this idea, however...
I’m going to refrain from posting my thoughts just yet because there is so much more to go. I’ve got a lot of scouting left to do, as do professionals, and there are a lot of events that may sway my opinion.
Let’s do this again immediately before the draft. Let’s do it in April. We’ll all be more educated about draft prospects and be able to express more firm and educated opinions and projections. Doing it now only handcuffs us to the opinions which we currently hold.
Let’s do this again immediately before the draft. Let’s do it in April.
I’m all for this plan. I’m looking forward to your draft analysis this year jkp.
I’m ready to talk about the draft, but I’m holding off until the season’s over so we know where we are picking…I don’t want to guess who we’re picking AND what spot we’re picking in the draft order…that’s too much guess work for me, lol.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well I wasn't asking who you thought we'd select.
Just which prospects do you really, really like……but I can’t make you present a list. Sadly. =P
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Ummm, no...
You wanted this to be a conclusive and final point of reference, so that after the draft we can look back and see who’s on and who’s off. BW and I are just saying that it’s way to early to cement these opinions. That’s all.
I'd go as far to say that if I HAD to have two players in this draft it'd be Sean Spence and Janoris Jenkins.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Wouldn't mind Kendall Wright too, although I think his stock will 'splode.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
For those that like Alameda Ta’amu, Baylor have put up 46 points in 3 quarters (currently 3 minutes left in the third).
Wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I can see why he's 2nd round material
He’s had moments where he’s pushed through multiple lineman to get into the backfield, but he’s also been driven back on numerous occasions. He also seems to get rotated out somewhat frequently. I see potential, but I definitely wouldn’t reach for him.
After a quick number crunch
That should make the Barge pole 482 feet.
Sorry Oldy to lazy to convert to metric
I watched that game...
And he played great. I don’t understand how he receives the criticism for the outcome of a 11 man operation. He’s a great player, but in no way can he cover all of the receivers, play the other 3 D line positions, and the LB positions all at once and well.
I don’t understand how you take Baylor scoring points as a conclusion that Ta’amu is a bad prospect. He’s a greate prospect, however he plays on a pretty piss poor D.
482 yards on the ground (I'm taking jmob's figure here) suggests that he had a big part to do with why Washington lost.
I kept an eye out for him – he was a non-entity.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
In his defense though:
There were times when he was getting double and triple teamed by the Bears offensive line. I thought his performance was very up and down though. He had times where’d he fight through multiple lineman to be disruptive, and other times that he’d get driven back by a single lineman. He also seemed to get gassed very quickly.
Also in his defense.
The type of offense Baylor runs gasses you pretty quickly. I doubt he’ll see much of that in the NFL.
That said he didn’t impress me, I saw more out of the other DT than I did out of Ta’amu.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 31, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
I've got news for you OldhamA...
NT’s aren’t flashy. He’s not flashy. He does dirty work. If really watched him, he admirably did dirty work well.
Like I’ve said before, Ta’amu can’t be singly responsible for the result of an entire team. All eleven guys should be responsible.
Outstanding Performances In Bowls By Baylor's RB Greenaway & Toledo's WR White
Baylor’s RB Terrance Greenaway (5-11, 240, 4.62-40) was considered a possible NFL FB before this bowl game, but his 21 carries, for 200 yards, and 5 TD’s, have probably locked him in as a RB. I don’t know about you, but on his breakaway TD runs last night he looked much faster than a 4.62-40, maybe around a 4.5, or even in the mid to high 4.4’s. Last night probably pushed him up to the 2nd or 3rd round.
Toledo’s WR Jordan White (6-0, 215, 4.54-40) is almost exactly the same size and speed as WR Justin Blackmon, and has been even more productive. In their bowl game against Purdue he had 13 catches, for 260 yards, and 1 TD. For the season, White finished with 140 catches, for 1,911 yards, and 17 TD’s. Toledo list White as 6-2, 215, while scouts agree that he’s probably only 6-0, but he’s a very strong, physical receiver, with great hands. Like Greenaway, White looks faster on the field than his projected 4.54-40 time, he looked to me like he runs in the mid 4.4’s. Pryor to the bowl game he was projected as a 6th round pick, but they said if he runs well at the Combine he could shoot up to the 3rd round.
Early list, I reserve the right to change it as the draft gets closer.
Kirk Cousins (very good backup, could develop into a solid starter)
Robert Griffin (if he lands in the right situation he’s an elite QB)
Russell Wilson (quality backup)
Chris Polk (solid runner, very physical)
Chris Rainey (lightning in a bottle, wouldn’t be opposed to spending a late round flier on this guy, he’ll drop due to durability concerns)
Michael Floyd (he’ll be the best receiver in this draft class)
Mohammed Sanu (good size and excellent hands)
Juron Criner (nice redzone weapon, will make clutch catches)
Kendall Wright (reminds me of Mike Wallace, very good hands too)
Ryan Broyles (massive production, produces with the ball in his hands)
Ryan Swope (saw this guy’s bowl game, it’s cliche but he reminds me of Wes Welker)
Dwayne Allen (good receiver, but I love his blocking more, truly a complete TE)
Any OL from Wisconsin (those guys are always solid)
Quinton Coples (very versatile DL, I think his lack of production is overblown as teams were doubling him constantly)
Dontari Poe (size/speed combo is amazing, production to match. Wouldn’t hesitate to take him with our second and would strongly consider him in the first even)
Devon Still (could be a good 5 or 3 technique for us, adds flexibility to our defensive front)
Jared Crick (Very very underrated, whomever gets him is getting a steal)
Lavonte David (Should we decide to go LB this is the guy we should pick up)
Travis Lewis (looked like a beast his first couple years, perhaps has regressed, but the skillset is still definitely there. If he can regain that I think he could be the best 4-3 OLB in the game)
Vontaze Burfict (I’m not scared by his aggressiveness, this is football right? Exactly the type of player a struggling defense needs to build around)
Audie Cole (solid instincts, always around the ball)
Alfonzo Dennard (smart, physical defender. I’ll take guys like him on my team all day)
Dre Kirkpatrick (as either a CB or safety)
Cliff Harris (won’t measure out well at the Combine or workouts, and has some off-field issues, but play on the field is excellent. Good punt returner as well, hopefully we can pick him up in the later rounds)
Yes I'm a dude.
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