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Mocking in the free world: 'Mocking The Draft' gives us their two-rounder

Dan Kadar of Mocking the Draft released his two round mock on Monday afternoon, and has the Carolina Panthers filling two key needs early in the draft.

Much to the chagrin of many fans he has the Carolina passing on WR Justin Blackmon (who heads to Jacksonville) in favor of taking an OL early, although probably not the one you're hoping for.

4. Carolina Panthers - Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
The Panthers may clamor for Claiborne, but should be happy settling for Martin. On the left side, Jordan Gross is 31 and Jeff Otah can't stay healthy. On the right, Martin would immediately be an upgrade over Byron Bell, who has been decent. With his power blocking style, Martin would fit into the Panthers offensive scheme perfectly.

That's right, Kadar has the Panthers drafting 4th in April, meaning he probably sees Carolina dropping their final two games of the year. As I've said before I really like Martin for the Panthers, but I'll admit I'm not a huge fan of taking him this early in the draft. If we're really looking at Kalil and Claiborne being gone before the Panthers pick assuming they're in 4th and unable to trade then I'd probably rather take the best WR available, or even roll the dice and do something unpredictable with the pick than settle for Martin.

That being said, I agree with Kadar's assertion that Martin would be an immediate upgrade over Byron Bell, and in turn we would likely shift Jeff Otah over to RG. However, I don't have a lot of confidence that Martin is a future LT, and this early in the draft I feel that in taking a tackle you need to be fairly sure they can play LT in the NFL.

We'll look at the Panthers 2nd round pick from Kadar after the jump

Star-divide

In the second round we have the Panthers filling another need- this time to upgrade their beleaguered secondary.

36. Carolina Panthers - Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
Captain Munnerlyn has been a decent player for the Panthers but would be much better in the slot. Gilmore is a big cornerback who would pair nicely with Chris Gamble.

At 6'1" Gilmore is a tall QB with ability in zone coverage, but because of scheme he hasn't been asked to play a lot of man while at USC. I appreciate that Kadar has reasoning and rationale for the pick; he's right, Munnerlyn should be in the slot and Gilmore would be a good pick. I know a lot of people have faith in Brandon Hogan to grab the brass ring and take the job, but as it stands that's more faith than logic- it will be some time until we know if he can play, let alone be a starter and it always helps to stock the shelves at CB.

My problem with this pick though is purely who's left on the board- we have DTs Brandon Thompson, Alamedu Ta'amu and Jerel Worthy, all of whom would immediately help the Panthers more than Gilmore. As in all things time will tell, but it's something interesting for us to look for in the future.

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His comments about our current personnel

lead me to believe he has more knowledge than most…. but his prediction that we will be picking fourth overall leaves me questioning said knowledge

"One step at a time"

by mcdonaldwr on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 PM EST reply actions  

Really.

Right now there are 6 teams with less wins than we have. Another 3 that are tied in wins.

STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!

by MrBernz on Dec 21, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions  

He expects the Browns to beat the Steelers and Ravens,

And us to lose to the Bucs and Saints, in order for them to beat us? The only ones he has not beating us are the 3 that have no chance what so ever because even if they win the last 2 games they cant.

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by MrBernz on Dec 21, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He probably had most of this in the can before last weeks games.

That would explain most of this. No Panther win over the Texans, no Cleveland loss in OT to Arizona, etc.

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by GooseCreek on Dec 21, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Martin pick

but would rather have Kalil’s bigger younger brother. In anycase I think it is best the panthers focus upon lineman, on both sides of the ball, as build a soild core that will last the next five years is critical. The D-line is the area I most concerned with as we have seen in the past haveing a good front four can make up for lacking CB play.

What would you say to getting a soild LB, as T.Davis will be doubtful to return for a full season. Missing 3 in a row is sort of a telling point. I like the man but his body is betraying him and I wonder if he keeps putting under this strain what kind of future he has.
WR, would be gilding the lilly at this point when other needs are so clear.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 20, 2011 11:27 PM EST reply actions  

Dont like gilmore

He has a lot of upside, and was preseason top 10 projected pick, but im a usc student and after seeing him get beat time and time again i just dont have faith in him. He seems to be out of position a lot. I thought he would anchor our secondary but he didnt live up to the hype IMO.

by panthers_FTW on Dec 20, 2011 11:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I am a former student and COMPLETELY disagree with you

Last year he was solid but not great, this year he has by far been the best DB on the #5 def in the nation (AA is a Spur). He has immense abilities and talent, and made up for us having to start freshman and sometimes former walk on’s opposite of him. Uninformed USC fans like to think it’s still hip to pick on Gilmore, but he’s much better than you think. Every CB has gotten beat before, and ints are not a good judge of a CBs potential. He shut down mr “all world” (gag) Sammy Watkins, and was a better tackler this year too.

Give him credit.

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Dec 21, 2011 9:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gilmore can't locate the ball in the air.

He’s a solid tackler, a solid run support corner, but he can’t find the ball when it’s up in the air to save his life.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I just did not see that problem.. Unless our DL was just that good that it masked all problems haha

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Let me clarify: I did not see that problem as often as you did

"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

THIS!

I actually started typing this same sentiment.
When it comes to finding the ball at the moment of truth, he is average…at best. Time after time, I have watched him be in position to make plays on the ball. The problem is the receiver has caught the pass before he can locate the ball.

I will pass.

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by PantherNationn on Dec 21, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Im hardly an uninformed USC fan. And he hardly shut down sammy watkins. He beat gilmore deep their first possession and sammy dropped it. After that, our d line took over the game and boyd never had enough time to look his way. Trust me, i would love to have gilmore, just not for that high of a pick. I thought he would dominate this year and he didnt come close.

by panthers_FTW on Dec 21, 2011 4:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I dont like the Martin pick

He isnt top 10 IMO and i have faith that Otah will be back and healthy. If not Bell is serviceable (although not preferable. )If Kalil, Blackmon, and Claiborne are gone than trade back is the only option.

by pcroadrage on Dec 21, 2011 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

Fact of the matter, if Otah is healthy, he will be playing RT

Otah is, for sure, a “franchise” RT when he is out on the field. The Panthers need to be prepared for his health problems and in that case I think a full offseason training program will help Byron Bell further acclimate to that RT backup role.

In camp, I expect a healthy competition between Bell and Schwartz for the RG spot, with the loser being first reserve. Should injury befall Otah again, Bell simply slides out to RT and Schwartz either comes in or stays at RG.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Not bad picks

But if we’re picking 4th then we ought to be able to trade back from there. Barkley and RG3 will be on the board and since you can pencil one of them to the Redskins, somebody, particularly the Dolphins or the Chiefs, will want to jump up and grab the one they prefer.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 12:11 AM EST reply actions  

My favorite late season backup overachiever!

I wish him well, I really do, but performing this well in this scenario is something we have seen before. He was in that situation twice here and twice he performed well. He was also the highest rated passer in the preseason once. But once handed the keys, the wheels fell off. But that only happened once…

by CarvedTones on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Getting concussed the first game didn't help matters.

But that is water under the bridge.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Dolphins will draft qb. Might have to move up in draft if they do.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Not complaining really

It wouldn’t be a bad pick and I really don’t like the idea of drafting another WR. Yes, this could be seen as a “reach” but to me there’s not much difference between picking the guy at 4th and picking him at 10th or so. I’d rather trade down and grab him later, but again, I don’t disagree with the pick.

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 1:25 AM EST reply actions  

Let me clarify by saying...

I’m happy with the pick but I can also understand James’s issues with it. I don’t have a problem with taking a tackle because we are surely going to need one sooner or later. With only Bell standing behind another Otah injury I’d rather be safe than sorry. But in terms of true need, there are probably greater ones.

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 1:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I do think Bell will improve in the offseason and TC with proper training

The fact he has been a serviceable backup RT in his first year as a UDFA is amazing. He has not reached his ceiling, and I think better conditioning is in order.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

This is my thinking

He’s an UDFA coming from a non-BCS conference. And then he had an abbreviated training camp to get ready for the NFL. He’s really been outstanding all things considered. An entire offseason where he can work in an NFL conditioning program and get more help on his technique will do wonders for him.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand the "don't put your stock on one player" dictum but in that case why would we do the same for some rookie coming out of college next year?

Answer me this: how many rookie CBs playing the CB position have been stellar this season? None. PP7 is said to get beat a lot in coverage, and I haven’t really heard anything positive deriving from Amukamara’s play but I did see him get beat a couple of times against the Packers, and I personally saw Jimmy Smith get punked by Rivers and Malcolm Floyd in the Ravens upsetting defeat.

So why is it perceived not to be a good idea to put too much stock on Hogan but rather another rookie coming out college next year?

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by Efury on Dec 21, 2011 1:41 AM EST reply actions  

Richard Shurman( probably spelled his last name

wrong from the Seahawks who is a 5th round pick) has been solid this year according to profootballfocus. The panthers need more height in the secondary and Gilmore in the best run defender in the draft. To bad he sucks in bump and run coverage though. Hogan has played in 1 game for hearing the hype around him, you never have enough db’s. Especially when injuries was to happend at the cb position and not seeing captain m getting torch as the #2. Just my thoughts.

by adam carter on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The only reason I made those statments is because a lot of people are entitling players with the "shutdown corner" tag without knowing how they're going to perform in the NFL.

Although, I do understand that the more quality players you have the greater the chance there is of one rising to the top and there’s also more competition making everyone better. So I wouldn’t mind bringing in more talent for sure.

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by Efury on Dec 21, 2011 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair about Amukamara

he’s was injured for most of the season (foot injury), so he hasn’t really played that much overall

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 21, 2011 9:22 AM EST up reply actions  

the order of the picks was actually determnined a while ago

he explains it in his post – he purposely did not update it

by vitzeng on Dec 21, 2011 1:56 AM EST reply actions  

Martin isn't worth a top 5 pick, not someone

who seems more of a right tackle than a stud left tackle in the NFL. He would do wonders in a zone blocking scheme, using his athleticism to create hole in the run game. Pass protection needs work though.

by adam carter on Dec 21, 2011 1:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

you really think we should take wr james?

Personally I don’t see us picking at 4, I wouldn’t be too unhappy with martin, the only way I think we take wr is if blackmon is still on the board, which I highly doubt. Imo jeffery isn’t a future franchise wr, I donno something about him just makes me think – pass. Isn’t jeffery a bit of a reach at 4?

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 5:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

WR and CB are similar needs to me

Only draft them 1st if you can get a Claiborne or Blackmon. If not available then shoot for one of our other many needs hope for guys like Hogan and Gettis to improve.

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by southtunnel on Dec 21, 2011 8:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's how I look at it for the first round...

moreso with Clairborne (who will likely be gone before we get him anyway). Other than those two I’m pulling for a trade (which is much easier said than done) so we can slide back and take Z. Brown at OLB.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 21, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

This sums up how I feel about it.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

whilst i dont entirely disagree

Our offence is competing at a high level right now, I really feel like our defence is slowly stepping up. If beast returns to a high level and hogan proves decent (I know they’re if’s) it might be enough with one very good defensive player (be that claibourne, brown etc) to make our defence good enough to complete for the playoff’s sooner rather than later.

Let’s not forget smitty was a third rounder himself. I can’t help but feel that adding an offensive talent does little to improve our chances of success in the next season. I know we as fans want to think about the long term picture, but ron rivera can’t solely plan for success in 3-4 years. There has to be continued progression and development and I don’t know if a stella wr really brings that to our team. If you get what I’m trying to say?

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 9:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

He said Whist…tee hee

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by Tarheel Soldier on Dec 21, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

and thats funny why?

Oh wait is this a ‘the english are posh thing’? If so tally-ho old bean, good form and all that chap. Are you happy tarheel? Literally 1 percent of the english population is posh, and fyi the other 99 percent don’t sound like they are from london….

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 11:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

James, your points are valid and well-delivered as usual, however,...

don’t forget my guy, Kendall Wright. Look at my comparison of Wright and Blackmon below.

G Rec. RecYrds Avg. TD Rec./G Yards/G

Justin Blackmon Okla St JR WR 12 113 1336 11.82 15 9.4 111.3

Kendall Wright Baylor SR WR 12 101 1572 15.56 13 8.4 131.0

Although I live in Big 12 country, I haven’t seen every game, but I can imagine that these two receivers faced many of the same cornerbacks and coverages.

by Derek Leazer on Dec 21, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Although I live in Big 12 country, I haven’t seen every game, but I can imagine that these two receivers faced many of the same cornerbacks and coverages.

Yep…it’s called the “Ahh, just let him score…we’re gonna score next time we get the ball anyway.” coverage. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It's really sad too...

Big 12 receivers frequently light it up in college because the defenses are so horrid. They get picked high in the NFL draft because teams fall in love with their production but those teams fail to realize they did it against inferior competition.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't a coincidence that the two best receivers...

from last years’ draft were from the SEC. But, we can’t forget there are many exceptions: Wes Welker, Jordy Nelson from the Big 12; Megatron and Nicks from the ACC. Fitzgerald from the Big East. Victor Cruz from UMass. The list goes on and on.

by Derek Leazer on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

There are always exceptions to the rule...

But if you have two equally talented WR’s, one from the Big 12 and one from the SEC…you take the one from the SEC 9 times out of 10 because he faced tougher competition.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

The ACC has been churning out some good ones in the last 5 years for sure.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The ACC pisses me off.

They churn out almost as many NFL players as the SEC, so there is talent in the conference. But the teams as a whole comprise what is undoubtedly the worst BCS conference. Yo no soy.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Worse than the Big East?

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by Smitty89 on Dec 21, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

One could make a case, yes.

We ain’t got no one who could play with Boise St.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that Boise St will be in the Big East pisses me off to no end.

It’s the freaking Big EAST. Idaho isn’t in the EAST.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Geographically, yes.

But for very different reasons.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The divisions in the NFL are completely screwed up anyway

Like the AFC East and AFC North divisions are completely out of whack.

Same thing with the NFC East. (Dallas is in the east now?)

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

This is how I would realign:

In the NFC, I’d move Dallas to the South and Carolina to the East.

In the AFC, I’d move Baltimore to the East, Indianapolis to the North, and Miami to the South.

I know this would piss off people who feel that rivalries are more important, but I think the divisions should be based more on geography than anything else, especially if the league is going to use directional names for the divisions.

Now, if they wanted to go old-school NHL and have two conferences with four divisions each and name them after former coaches/owners, then the divisions could stay the same . But if they’re going to have North/South/East/West, then they should at least try to keep to that geographically.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

They kept the rivalries intact

I think that was the biggest factor in realigning the divisions

by JDeLong42 on Dec 21, 2011 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That, and once they got to 32 teams it was about keeping a level playing field. Seemed like one or two divisions had one more team that the others for a few years.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Almost as many NFL players?

Not just that, they’ve turned out more Pro-Bowlers over the last 3 years than any conference in the league. And the stats aren’t even close on that one.

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Michael Floyd?

I like him a heck of a lot better than Jeffery. I still wouldn’t spend a top five pick on him though.

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by Flowing Willow on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm a big Michael Floyd fan too

But we’d have to be 100% sure he’s past his previous issues. He got a couple DUIs in college.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 21, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't agree

We will pick higher than 4th, probably 7th or so. If available, I think we’re much better off with Claiborne or Kirkpatrick in the first and Taamu in the 2nd. We can address offense later in the draft. We’re 5th in the NFL now, but 26th or so in defense.

I don’t like Gilmore in any case. Martin might be okay, but not that high. Blackmon would be a good pick, but think we can get a WR down the draft as well.

by magicman56 on Dec 21, 2011 6:07 AM EST reply actions  

It is pointless to draft a WR later, he have so many young guys there

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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT

by MikeTrain on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This.

If we’re going to pick a WR….then we have to take Blackmon or Jeffrey. Taking anyone else is wasting a pick.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I think they would take bap on ol than taking a wr.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I doubt it.

The #1 WR is 10x better than the #2 OL.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

  1. and #2 wr’s will be gone before we pick. Stl. and Jacksonville

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast my friend!

Jacksonville might be looking to draft a QB. New management in town, and with the new rookie pay scale, they are NOT financially committed to Gabbert.

Would they like a new WR? Sure. But I’m not sure they don’t go after one of the big names in free agency to excite the fan base, then take a big name QB in the draft.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I don’t see it. They have great need for stud wr.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

But without a QB to throw to him, a WR is worthless.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup.

Gabbert= 50%, 5.4 YPA and 65 rating.

I mean, if you look at who they rolled out there at WR last week, you can’t put it all on Gabbert, but still, he has not done enough good to cement himself as the QB of the future.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

They’ll give him 1 more year. Offseason, get him some targets. New coaching staff.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

history would suggest

New coaching staff = New QB

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 21, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

To be fair to Gabbert

He’s had his receivers drop a LOT of passes this season.
I don’t think Gabbert is great, but some of that is that his only real weapon is MJD.

by Philipkcks on Dec 21, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I just said they may go after a stud WR in free agency

There are a couple coming available.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

St. Louis are 99% guaranteed to pick Matt Kalil.

They have no one on their OL. They need to protect the QB before they take a WR.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

That is the natural order of it.

As most QB’s can’t throw passes from their behinds.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Same as Jacksonville. They’ve drafted ol last 3 years. Just had injuries this year.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

just blackmon

Fify

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Panthers Have 3 Big WR's, What They Need Is A Speed WR On The Other Side From Steve Smith & To Eventually Replace Him

The 2 Fastest WR’s are Arkansas’ Joe Adams and Jarius Wright, and both might last till the 4th round, and UNC’s Dwight Jones might be the equal of Blackmon or Jeffery.

by PanthersRoar on Dec 21, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

TY Hilton?

"With the third pick of the 2006 NBA Draft, the Charlotte Bobcats select, Adam Morrison, Gonzaga."

by FirstCat on Dec 21, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

That dude is fast

But we really don’t need another mid-late round pick on a receiver

by JDeLong42 on Dec 21, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but that dude is a legit field stretcher.

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by FirstCat on Dec 21, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions  

How fast is Darvin Adams?

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

his speed is 87 on madden lol

because we all know the madden ratings are so accurate

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 2:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Faster than Stephen Gilmore

At least according to the 3rd TD of the 2010 SECCG

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by AU_Jonesy on Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't know who Stephen Gilmore is...

But Adams did beat STEPHON Gilmore.

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by BW Smith on Dec 22, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, Stephon isn't a real name.

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by OldhamA on Dec 22, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course it is.

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by BW Smith on Dec 22, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You mean Dwight "party up in here" Jones?

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

He will bring a whole new style to the Panthers...

Sexxxy Casual.

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by Son of a Newton on Dec 21, 2011 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If Dwight Jones slips to the 3rd or lower (which, at least from most of what I have read, seems likely barring an outstanding combine showing)

I would love to see him in Charlotte; yes, as a UNC homer I’m biased, but he’s a good deep threat who can make YAC, has great hands, and seems to run pretty good routes (not too mention he can get physical and get separation…something that cannot be underestimated).

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 21, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

If we’re adding an offensive skill player then it needs to be one of the top talents in the draft. Other than that we need to focus on the defense and the offensive line.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 10:06 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Why? Heart attack during the first round?

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 8:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have access to those kinds of poisons.

Unless Jamie hooks me up of course.

I was thinking more knife to the heart.

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by OldhamA on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Not picking a CB early because of Hogan isn't about faith

It’s about us having a lot of needs at other positions, where we don’t have a potential replacement at all.

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by southtunnel on Dec 21, 2011 8:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

This is what I think is kind of funny as we view the positions of need:

There seems to be a perception that we’re as deep at CB as at WR, and as such its not as much of a priority as, say, DT.

However, if anything in terms of talent in the pipeline I think we’re very thin at corner. We have Gamble who’s great, but then out next best thing is a 4th round rookie coming off an ACL tear. Neither Captain, nor Butler have proven themselves reliable enough to be anything but #3 corners ay best, so hope springs eternal that Hogan can be that guy.

At DT we have far more invested in the position. We have a veteran in Ron Edwards along with two developing third round picks. The pipeline is deeper at the position in terms of quality to groom than at CB.

I just find it kind of funny we have so many fans willing to say corner isn’t really a priority based solely on Brandon Hogan being able to play.

by James Dator on Dec 21, 2011 8:49 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i am one of those fans that has high expectations for hogan

But I agree that we don’t have enough depth at cb. I don’t really like bpa unless we say best defensive player available. That to me makes more sense that drafting a player because ’he’s too good to pass on’ that’s not really worked that well for the bills with darius imo. I think it is possible to fill needs whilst getting bpa, you just have to get the bpa for your offence or defence depending on where the need is.

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 9:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But...

It was that same philosophy that landed us Kalil. We had absolutely no “Need” at Center, but he was just too good to pass on. And now he’s considered one of the best Centers in the game.

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by Tarheel Soldier on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say that CB depth isn't important, but I'm a firm believer of "it all starts up front"...

Despite what my sn says, I’m not all that optimistic about our current crop of DT talent. While there are some definite depth guys to keep on (Neblett stands out as one), and McClain seemed to make good progress throughout the season, I don’t think that a year worth of experience and Ron Edwards potentially coming back is going to solve our issues on the interior. We could have a backfield that consisted of Primetime Deion, Revis, Gamble, Ronnie Lott and Darren Sharper, but they would still get beat without any ability to generate push up the middle on the line and force QBs to make a play, rather than being able to sit back all afternoon with a clean pocket. We need some stud DT talent, and I don’t feel like its on the roster right now; my dream? We end 7-9, putting us in a good position to trade down a little bit (lower asking price for teams who want to move up a couple of spots), and we pick up someone like Alamedu and a CB prospect (admittedly, I’m not up to snuff on who’s who in the CB prospect pool) who closely resembles Gamble’s physical skills (preferably someone who, like Gamble did coming out of college, has some return ability as well).

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 21, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on if the need is depth or starters

The earlier the pick, the more likely the player is to be great… So I’d prefer to address starter needs here and depth needs later.

I think we all agree, coming out of the draft, Hogan had starter “potential”. That still stands. However who “potentially” is our #1 WR, starting OT’s and DT’s 2-3 years from now? The depths there, but not the starters.

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by southtunnel on Dec 21, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't forget Neblett as well in the DT rotation

BAMF has singled out his stellar play and says he definitely has a role going forward.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Neblett will be a good depth player/spot starter...

however, he’s not well rounded enough to be a FT force in the trenches for us; we need to find Rivera’s Jenkins, someone who just commands double teams and can push up the middle with reckless abandon (reminding everyone that Jenkins was a 2nd round pick no less). There might not be top 10 talent at DT in this draft, but there are some good prospects in the pool who would be immediate upgrades for us.

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 21, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

But to counter this...

Every year we slowly dismiss why we don’t need a DT.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Problem is we have need at DT, but the talent isn’t there this year… Least not in the 1st

by James Dator on Dec 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

True.

But like QB, its just so rare that a quality FA shakes loose.

So that’s probably why we see so many busts…teams will reach at that position.

Not saying we should, but I’m not sure we can really pencil in anyone currently on the roster or on IR. I mean, we could, but I’m tired of penciling guys in every year and then being in the same position during the season (plugging in guys off the street).

I would almost be in favor of trying to trade our 2nd rounder for a proven talent at this point.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

(And we don't have a Chris Gamble at DT.)

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions  

That's cause he's too small to play DT...duh. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay Bernzy.

I kid, I kid.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

The Panthers Have 6 CB's On The Roster, 5 With 3 Years Or Less In The NFL (All Running A 4.43-40 Or Less)

However, Gamble is their only CB taller than 5-10, so they need another 6 foot tall CB, but Claiborne is the only one to run in the low 4.4’s.

by PanthersRoar on Dec 21, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

plus i cant help but feel people have been spoiled by this years draft

Let’s be clear blackmon is not aj green and jeffery is not julio jones. Blackmon goes to the vikes or the jags anyway. I think we’ll be drafting in the 7-9 range anyway. Don’t think anybody ‘elite’ will be on the board, though I don’t know why people give players ‘elite’ tags anyway since there’s never a guarantee for greatness

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Just to clarify again about us picking 4th,

he put out a mock this since one of his colleagues had put one out last week. He did not bother to change the draft order, which is now almost 2 weeks old.

The order is the same as the draft order I put up last week.

There is enough flucuation in the league until things change so drastically from week to week so I don’t blame him. Heck the Colts might screw up and win their way out of #1. Like everyone has stated, we will likely pick later than four.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 21, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

I agree James

I think 4 is a bit too high to take Martin there. He is solid but not a game changer like a number 4 pick should be. But in the end, I dont think that we will be picking at 4 by the end of the year anyways. Btw….if Brandon Thompson, Alamedu Ta’amu and Jerel Worthy are all still there when we pick in the second round I may pass out from pure joy.
Also, yesterday I saw a 2 round mock draft where we picked quinton coples in the 2nd round and I cant find it again right now….Is there anyway anyone else thinks that he drops that far?

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

Coples could fall like a stone, and I think deservedly so.

If you really break down his stats, you will see that he got a lot of them in games against poor quality opponents.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

cough...Duke...James Madison...cough

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep. I'm fairly certain that I could tally 3 sacks against Duke.

Honestly… JMU is a tougher opponent.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Only 3? So you're only going to play the 1st half? :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Gotta admit, my conditioning is a little poor at the moment

Besides, that crazy crowd at Duke games really messes with your head

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions  

True...

The Cameron Crazies ain't got nothin' on the football fans at Duke.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, I got season tickets, buddy. (I wish I could use the sarcasm font for this one…)

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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Fixed it...

Hey, I got found season tickets…

(Didn’t want to leave the impression that I’m that financially irresponsible.)

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Even as a UNC homer, I have a hard time justifying his draft status right now...

Yea, he’s got an atmospheric ceiling physically, but he just doesn’t produce when you need him to; hell, he basically got taken out of the game against Louisville, and he was largely getting matched up with some guys who were just getting in their first minutes as starters on that line (at least according to the Louisville fans I was watching the game with lol). Call me unimpressed with Coples.

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Would not surprise me if her fell that far

But it WOULD surprise me if we picked him.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm the opposite

It would shock me if he fell that far but if he did it wouldn’t shock me if we took him.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 1:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

No chance in hell

As the best DE in the draft he’s a lock for the top-15 if not the top-10.

FWIW, I wouldn’t be opposed to taking him. We’re so weak on defense that if we believe he’s going to be a stud then Hardy shouldn’t stand in their way. I’m up for adding any elite talent to our defense, particularly on the line.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 10:03 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I agree

I wouldnt be opposed to taking him in the first as long as Marty Hurney believes he can be a dominant player…bc I trust Hurney with any first round pick

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

True...

I mean, the last time we took a UNC DE in the top of the first round it worked out pretty well for us, until he turned into a bitch and left us for another city.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

not at all

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Top 5... If it ain't Kalil, steer the wheel.

I vote no way in taking an OT top 5 that isn’t named Kalil. If you are drafting a tackle in the top 10 picks, as James alluded to, you need to have ZERO questions in your mind about him being able to be a franchise LT.

In the abyssmal case that we do end up picking 4th, I think that Claiborne will still be sitting there. If for some reason he is not, I foresee a team looking to move up and take a QB wanting our pick.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 9:52 AM EST reply actions  

Draft

Right now we are picking #8. If we finish 1-1, we pick from 8-12. If we go 0-2, we could go down to 5th. If we go 2-0, we would be about 12- 15. So everything is up in air right now. I think best scenario is us picking 8-12. I hope we can find trading partner. That would be our best bet. Extra picks. As far as which position. Who the hell knows. Depends on who’se there. I know one thing. Our biggest need is on def. Not to say we couldn’t use a ol.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

I think best scenario is we pick 12-15...

Because that means we finished on a 3 game winning streak, and won 5 of our last 6 games to close out an impressive 7-9 season.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

But i was talking about draft position and best trade back position. If NO hadn’t got nothing to play for, we can definetly win out which I would love.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

If the Saints lose to the Falcons this weekend,

then they will definitely have a lot to play for when they play us. If they lose to us too, and the Falcons simply beat the Bucs at the end of the season, then the Falcons win the South based on divison record.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 21, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree....I like this scenario the best

No matter where we have picked in the first round we always find blue chip players. Plus in this range I could see us getting Devon Still or Dre Kirkpatrick who would help out or defense

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup... I like this plan the best as well.

Plenty of momentum to come out strong next season, plus the best OLBs in the draft project about there anyway. I love Jordan Senn, but we probably shouldn’t put all of our eggs in that basket, nor can we be very optomistic about Davis (sigh).

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 21, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

If AJ drops and We snag him we will be lucky.

Dude has top 3 talent and was the victim of circumstance. Garcia blew and Connor was not as great at getting it to AJ… We hardly ever passed. AJ was frustrated but showed last year how elite he is. I can still see him having a great bowl game though. He has ball skills in college like I havent seen in 5 years, just watch his highlights vs Bama last year. He had a worse year, but a higher ceiling than Blackmon (more natural talent)

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by MikeTrain on Dec 21, 2011 10:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I don't know about top 3 talent...but I do agree that he's an elite receiver and was a victim of circumstance.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Just gonna throw it out there, if we miss on Blackmon and Jefferey...

We should take a chance on Brian Quick really late. If he falls past the 5th, he will be a great value for anyone who takes him.

Why? Because he actually runs 2 feet of the ground. Making him uncoverable.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

Why? Because he actually runs 2 feet of the ground. Making him uncoverable.

LOL. Good one.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Quick!

Hell yes.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

As it stands quick is trending as a late 2nd rounder

I also think he’s going to be the workout warrior of this draft and get taken waaaaay too early like DHB was.

I like Brian Quick, just not as early as he’s going to go

by James Dator on Dec 21, 2011 10:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

If he goes in 2nd. somebody will reach for him.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I think he'll go in the 1st

Some team is going to fall head over heels for his size and athleticism and forgo the worries about his route running.

Mike Wallace is bringing back the notion that if a guy can get separation then it doesn’t matter if he can run crisp routes or not

by James Dator on Dec 21, 2011 10:55 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

That is my fear.

They are going to hold a picture of him up next to Calvin Johnson and fall in love with his size.

Truth is, you’d expect your first round picks to be contributors in their first year. I feel like Quick needs at least a season of just learning the finer points of what it takes to be more of a finesse receiver. No doubt he can just beat you up and take the ball, but QBs in the NFL are going to expect you to be in certain spots at certain times. Not really a skill we demand of our #1 WRs at App. Our slot guys are more adept at that.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

WR’s normally dont “click” until their 3rd year. ( I wonder how long it takes for project WR’s…) Guys like AJ Green who just beast out the gate are not normal. I wouldn’t mind us taking a shot a a large WR with upside but not until we filled other needs and if said WR is BPA…

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

But Wallace came from SEC. Proved against big time talent. Quick proved against non bcs schools.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Wow, I havent looked lately, is he really looking like a 2nd to 3rd round guy?

Sheesh… I can’t agree with that, and I have watched him play for years. He is a physical specimen, but there are certainly risks.

I hope his pro path doesn’t follow that of fellow mountaineer Dexter Jackson. Gruden fell in love with his pure speed and took him early in the 2nd round. Truthfully, D-Jax was a great speedster, but that is how he got through college… out running everyone. Not a good route runner nor did he possess great hands.

While I think Quick is much more of a complete package, I hope he goes later and a team can be patient with him.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

On draft boards, he’s top wr at non bcs schools. He’s not in top 15 on big board for wr’s. With small school guys, you have to figure in competition.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I can't believe this didn't click in my head earlier honestly.

Get him to the Greek is such a funny movie. I had only seen it once, but it came on this past weekend, so it is fresh in my head.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, not a big fan of Sean Combs as a 'producer'

But he is pretty funny in that movie.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Diddy stole that movie imo all of his scenes were hilarious.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, he did a great job

All through the production process they said he was very serious about the role. It showed. He was hilarious.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

When they was shooting the video for Im Gangsta LOL

You’re five zippers away from “Thriller”.

Oh, and you’re one shirt away from Carlton, muthafu***

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The whole bit about mindf@cking was pretty funny.

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You might wanna wear a condom my mind is pretty dirty lol

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LOL

Probably Hill’s best line in the movie.

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One of the strangest movies I ever spent time watching.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

ahaha! rec'd

favorite part of that movie

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Damn you Tater….now i actually want to draft him!

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

89 might have a different opinion

It’s not the height of the dog in the fight…

by CarvedTones on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

small WR can go against CB’s who are average 5’10-6’0…CB at 5’8 has a VERY difficult time guarding WR’s who avg 6’1-6’6. Plus Steve Smith is a one man army.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think you spend the 4th overall on a RT.

Sure, he might be able to move to LT in 3 years when Gross retires, but unless he can supplant him in 2012, the 4th overall pick is too high.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Way too high.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I would rather draft one of the QB's and use them as trade bait.

Or, trade the pick. Same difference.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Draft

There’s no way we’ll be picking 4th. We’re 8th. right now.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

I know right.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they should update their draft order...

They’re using the draft order from 2 weeks ago.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

We finish 7-9! Panthers Winning out!

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you. I think a DT

should be our first pick if we’re really trying to fill needs.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Unfortunately there aren't any DT's worth a top 10 pick.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

None? Really?

I haven’t been keeping up with all the prospects like I usually do this year, but damn.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep...none.

You can almost make the argument that none of them are worth taking in the top 20.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

That's crazy. Well, elite CB it is.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

If Morris Claiborne is there when we pick he would be a smart choice.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

He’ll be long gone when we pick. I think Minn.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately I believe that will be the case as well

but we have seen crazier things happen in the draft before

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Dre might still be there. He is 6’3. Dude looks like a WR

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Combine will be huge for Dre. If he will be a cb or safety.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

yea i like him a lot. good instincts and can probably tackle better than Godfrey and Martin lol

plus generally, you can trust getting Alabama defenders bc Saben really knows how to coach

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we could tackle better than Martin though, lol.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Have you seen the people on this site?

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How they're still on the field is beyond me.

We need to find at least one quality safety…similar to our situation at DT and CB.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that they’re still on the field should tell you everything you need to know about who’s currently available in free agency or on practice squads.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I know this comes with its downside, but...

I would give Cap’n a start at safety in one of these two ‘meaningless’ games.

Gamble and Hogan can start at CB, and since Godfrey and Martin are both questionable, now would be as good a time as ever to see if Cap’n can play safety. I feel like Cap is much better around the LOS than either of our starting safetys.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Heard in RR's press conference that Cap did not practice today.

Godfrey was limited, Martin a full go.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

One huge downside...

All the QB’s gotta do is throw it up high, and all the WR’s gotta do is beat the corner and get a matchup with Captain.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, right now he doesn't even have to beat the corner.

Cap’n is that corner.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

True...

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly never cared for him in coverage very much.

If he was the other safety with Godfrey (I’d move Martin to NB or DB), I’d put him at SS and C-God at FS, because I think he’s better in coverage, but not nearly as tough around the LOS.

But these are just the ramblings of a never was.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell yeah.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Even with a trade back there will be better lb’s available, don’t see us drafting dt until the second.

Save us Pilares

by LimeyPanther on Dec 21, 2011 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You never know until draft.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, you mean when the hype machine rolls out?

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

lol

There aren’t any top-10 DT’s this year. It’s strange, because normally there are at least 2 worth taking that high.

I think Jared Crick would have been if he didn’t get injured, but now he’s probably going to fall to the 2nd round.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I think only one that could move in top 10 would be Still.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

It's possible...but I won't be surprised if he doesn't.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Wr would be almost a luxury pick seeing our needs on def.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I would honestly be fine going into next year with the same exact offensive personnel

plus a more healthy tackle.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

There aren't any top-10 DT's.

There really aren’t any DT’s I’d feel comfortable picking in the top half of the first round. However, there are several solid DT prospects that are late first/early second type guys.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 10:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

At this point,

I’m pushing for trading the pick so we can fill multiple needs.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

As BW said earlier...

Hopefuly we r picking in the 12-15 range so we can pick up a DT like Devon Still or Jerrel Worthy. I have seen Worthy play twice this year against a good oline of Wisconsin and he really reminds me of Kris Jenkins with size and burst off the line…is a very impressive looking dlineman. I think he has the potential to be dominant if he can get his head on straight and fix his motor issues

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I seen Worthy play earlier this year too. He can clog the lane.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

he sure can man

I was surprised to see all these other DT’s ranked ahead of him. The knock against him is his motor issues…but the games I have watched I didnt see that at all. Plus I think BAMF and Beason would fix that problem if he was a Panther

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I dont see us picking that high

However, if we pick a lineman first I think I will be satisfied with the selection. Its a glaring need and we need to protect Cam.

You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.

by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 21, 2011 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

Sure its a need, but I wouldnt say its a glaring need

Jeff Otah, Gary Williams, and Geoff Swartz (anyone forgot about him) are hopefully coming back next year. Despite all of our injuries this year we still have a top three oline in the nfl according to NFL scout Matt Williamson…

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Thats why they will draft def.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm almost to the point of treating Otah and Thomas Davis like

they aren’t even part of the team anymore.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Smart point. I feel same.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. It's like Dan Morgan those last few years he was here.

He was always on the roster, but you knew he wouldn’t always be on the roster.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I’d like to get that 3rd. round pick back.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:42 AM EST reply actions  

surely you wouldnt give back Olsen tho?

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe the Bears would give it back to us if we gave them Jimmeh.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey, BW…

You see that little swirly symbol above the ‘2’?…

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right...

There's no chance we get rid of Jimmeh. He's too important.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

He seriously holds the shit outta that clipboard.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Fo sho

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

He takes all the hits for Cam Newton off the field and a important member of Cam’s entourage at the local bars. Codenamed: “The Punching bag”

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D

by Revshawn on Dec 21, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

HEY, ANDERSON TAKES THAT SH!TTY JOB SERIOUSLY

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by Ivan459 on Dec 21, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

And gets lots of reps at chest-bump practice…

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

And ass-bump practice...

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by Ivan459 on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Perfect form, Derek. The practice reps are really paying off.

Look out Iwearatutu.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

You know... the perspective here makes it look like Alphabet Soup is about to get crushed

or that he was just shopped into this.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

lol, only photo I could find that I knew wouldn’t be cut off by the site format… but yeah alphabet soup looks like he is about to get F’ed up.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 21, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

All I know is whatever the hell he's looking at, it must be the most amazing thing on Earth

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

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by Revshawn on Dec 21, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a fun game...what is Tutu looking at....

Posting on front page with props to you Rev.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hahaha! Sounds good!

ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.

Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D

by Revshawn on Dec 21, 2011 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I would love it. But I ain’t holding my breath on that one. Do you see him on the team next year.

by oldpanther on Dec 21, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of movies,

ZooKeeper is one of the biggest pieces of trash known to man.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Reply fail.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Kevin James is painfully unfunny. At least his recent movies are.

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It's sad man. You're looking at it like "Really dude?"

King of Queens never missed a beat. I don’t know what’s been going on with him lately.

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by Charlotte Bobcat on Dec 21, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The reason nobody noticed Kevin James wasn't funny on King of Queens....

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

by far the hottest pic i have ever seen of her.

YOWSA!

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by braves&panthers4ever on Dec 21, 2011 8:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

National Football Post just put up their top 10 mock...

They have the Panthers drafting 10th and taking OG David DeCastro.

At #10 I’m okay with that. I think he’ll be an elite guard at the next level… But the problem I have is that he’s an elite guard. In the scheme of things they don’t tend to really impact the game

by James Dator on Dec 21, 2011 11:32 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Meh... if we had terrible guards I might be okay with it.

But we don’t. Wharton is a fine LG, and Shwartzy will be back next year at RG, or theoretically… Bell would make a great starting RG.

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by Tater596 on Dec 21, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Id much rather take a more impacting player preferably on defense

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 21, 2011 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Can he play DT? ;-)

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by ERL on Dec 21, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

If he's a Hutchinson/Faneca level guard

Then that’s fantastic.

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by Jake Humphrey on Dec 21, 2011 11:50 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Yea

Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans are holding the Saints oline together

by mlrupert on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's my predicted top ten teams in the draft.
  1. Colts (1-15), #2 Rams (2-14), #3 Vikings (3-13), #4 Browns (4-12), #5 Buccaneers (4-12), #6 Jaguars (5-11), #7 Dolphins (5-11), #8 Bills (5-11), #9 Redskins (6-10), #10 PANTHERS (6-10).

I also believe that the Browns will swap picks with the Redskins. This would allow the Skins to get the QB they want and the Browns will get extra picks while still getting Trent Richardson (the RB they covet). Browns and Skins have consistantly made trades in recent years and this makes too much sense for both sides for it not to happen.

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by GooseCreek on Dec 21, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

If the Chiefs go 6-10

Won’t we have a later pick than the as well?

by Philipkcks on Dec 21, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Subject to change but right now Carolina beats KC due to Strength-of-Schedule.

Panther opponents have 113 wins and Chiefs opponents have 115 wins.

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by GooseCreek on Dec 21, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the players

Just not where we drafted them. #4 overall you better be damn sure he’s a stud LT. Heck, Joe Thomas went third. I’m not completely convinced Martin is a franchise LT yet.

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by Smitty89 on Dec 21, 2011 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

If we take Martin at 4th overall

and either of Claibourne or Blackmon was still on the board, I would shoot someone. It’s probably a moot point thought cause by the end of the season we may be picking around 10 intead of around 4

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by SouthernPanther on Dec 21, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Just read a mock draft

It had us pick Coples at 8 but the most interesting thing about this mock was the Andrew Luck situation. Here is the link if someone wants to check it out…. http://www.rantsports.com/mock-draft/2011/12/20/2012-nfl-mock-draft-with-trade-predictions/#slide:1-cleveland-browns-from-indianapolis-colts-1-13-andrew-luck-quarterback-stanford-junior-redshirt
It proposes that Cleveland trades up in order to take Andrew Luck and the Colts get Matt Barkley a little later to groom behind Manning while getting the corner from Nebraska later in the first round. I have never thought of this scenario before but it seems very plausible. The Browns have the ammunition thanks to the Falcons to trade up and the Browns need to do something to get their fans excited. The Colts get more draft picks to fill in a portion of their multiple holes….and still get a great qb prospect for life after Manning. This makes a lot of sense to me….what do you guys think?

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