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Draft Revelations from the Houston Game


There are a few things from the Houston game that I think are pretty important as they impact our draft next year. Overall, it was a great game. The defense played big making some grand stops and forced some crucial turnovers that we have been missing all year long and the offense clicked when it needed too but more importantly didn't turn over the football.

That game leaves us 5-9 on the season and we will probably end up picking in the 7th to 12th range by seasons-end. It will really depend on if the Saints play their starters for the finale or not. But regardless of where we are picking, some key points stick out for me from the last game...

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LB: Jordan Senn

I have to wonder... Do we need to draft another LB? Jordan Senn has been the guy who has been around the team for a number of years as a backup, but he has really started to play well recently. With Thomas Davis going out with yet another knee injury, WLB really looked like it was going to be a need next year. How do we replace a guy with the speed and athleticism that TD brought to the field? Well, I really don't think that you can, but that doesn't immediately make this a position of need.

Jordan Senn initiallly came in this year to replace Dan Connor at MLB when he was injured during the Detroit Lions game. However, he then started in place of Omar Gaither at the WLB spot, recording 10 tackles in the game against the Colts. Last week was definitely his break out game though, with a monstrous 14 tackles with a force fumble and an interception, both critical turnovers.

How does this effect our draft? In the event that we do cut ties with Thomas Davis, and given the already extremely deep talent we have at LB, the rise of Jordan Senn may alter the true need for another LB such as Zach Brown. Brown would be a good fit to replace TD as well, but we may have other more pressing needs...

CB: Brandon Hogan

This may be a bit more of a reach. Brandon Hogan came in and made very heads up play by forcing his man out of bounds inside the 5 yard line. He then let the receiver run on to the end zone where he caught a pass that would have been a TD. However, because of the force-out, illegal touching was called instead. For a rookie CB playing in what was I believe his very first NFL game, that shows some very good awareness and I came away pretty impressed.

Now the downside is that it was just one play. I have no way of predicting whether or not Hogan will end up being a replacement for one of our starting CBs or not. Anecdotal reports have been saying that Hogan has been doing very well in practice, lining up against Steve Smith. Given how dynamic Smith is, if other teammates are saying Hogan is doing well against him, then if nothing else I'm curious to see more. The next two games, I'd really like to see more of what he is capable of. If he can step up, we may not need to draft a CB as early as the 1st round.

But like I said, this is a bit of a reach. Time will tell if Hogan can develop into a starting roll for us.

So with the rise of Jordan Senn, that really makes me question the need of picking up a guy like Zach Brown to fill the LB spot presumably vacated by Thomas Davis. CB still remains murky in my eyes because it is clear that we do need help, but it is not clear whether or not we can get that help from Hogan or not. Almost nothing is more frustrating to me than actually forcing a 3rd and long, only for us to give up a gain of 15 yards through the air. However, the one thing I can say that is is when we give up those 10+ yards on the ground in a 3rd and manageable situation. In the end, I believe everyone can agree that our biggest area of need is going to be DT, but will there be a DT worth drafting at our position?

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Great Post "ace", Very Thoughtful

Ilike Senn, but at 5-11, 224 pounds, he might be good for short periods, but not hold up over a full season as a starter. If 3rd year OLB Jason Williams (6-1, 246) hasn’t lost his 4.44-40 speed, with his ACL surgery last season, then they might be deep enough at WLB with him and Senn, but I woould still feel better with Zach Brown running in the low 4.4’s.

The Panthers only have 1 CB over 5-10 (Gamble), so they could use another 6 foot tall CB, but unfortunately Morris Claiborne is the only CB in the first 5 rounds of the draft who can run in the low 4.4’s (at this time, it could change at the Combine, or Pro Days), all the others are in the very high 4.4’s, or 4.5’s.

by PanthersRoar on Dec 20, 2011 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

I like Jordan Senn, but he sucks in coverage, I want a wlb

who can do it all, especially cover well. Senn would be a solid back up when needed though, if zach b can be had take him( only thru trade down). TD will never remain healthy, you can never have enough db’s. Need more taller cb’s who can cover and tackle well.

by adam carter on Dec 20, 2011 11:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Dude we DO NOT need anymore LB's..

Senn has def. proved himself and it will tough next year for Rivera to determine the starters at that position. Can’t Wait

by willhmx04 on Dec 21, 2011 12:33 AM EST reply actions  

Did you read the article?

That was pretty much the conclusion I came to.

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the point he's trying to make is that you didn't need to say we don't need LB's the way you did...

The way you capitalized “DO NOT” made it seem like you were arguing with him, when the truth is he said we didn’t need LB’s in his post.

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by BW Smith on Dec 21, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

ok got you.

sorry didn’t mean to capitalize the way I did. I just like senn and I hope he is back starting next year. I feel some players may play better in game setting rather than practice and I think that’s Jordan senn

by willhmx04 on Dec 21, 2011 11:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think we do need a linebacker, if just for insurance.

Connor and Senn are both UFA’s, so neither may be back. And Davis, Williams, and Beason are all coming back from serious injuries. Neither Senn or Connor are spectacular players, solid in run support, but lacking in coverage and athleticism. If Zach Brown is there when we pick we should seriously consider him, and we definitely need to spend a pick on a backer sometime this April.

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by Flowing Willow on Dec 21, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions  

There is a difference between servicable and elite...

Senn and Conner are servicable, but Brown has the potential to be elite. If we end up picking in the 10-12 range he would be the best value for us anyway. Senn is a good insurance policy. Coverage from the WLB slot has been a major issue for this team all year, and we shouldn’t overreact for Senn based upon 1 or 2 good games.

We can’t bank on Davis at all. If we don’t get someone who can play WLB in the draft and Senn gets hurt, then we are back to trying to bring in another mediocore career back-up free agent to fill the void.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 21, 2011 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

Senn is actually our what... 4th string WLB?

Jason Williams and Omar Gaither both started at that position before Senn did.

by aceofsween on Dec 21, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Senn is 5th string wlb

Jason Phillips was in there too until calf injury sent him to ir.

by Keith Ryan on Dec 21, 2011 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

LB'S

Good post. Senn has done a great job in limited playing time. Also is really good on ST. But what we need is a wlb who can cover te’s. We have been killed by te def. this year. With the way te’s have really come on in league. You have got to have lb to cover them. I also think we need to look at safety who is good in coverage. I’am actually starting to think besides fat nose tackle, our next biggest need would be a big time safety. Somebody whose a ball hawk and can cover. These guys are huge in todays game. I really don’t know if there is one of these in the draft but combine will tell.If we fall below 10 in draft, if he’s there it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if we grabbed him. One I really like that i seen play is M. Barron. But combine lays out draft boards.

by oldpanther on Dec 22, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions  

True, but we've struggled with TE coverage since...

Forever.

Actually, it’s been ever since we lost Thomas Davis. But he was a converted safety so his coverage skills were much better than most LBs.

by aceofsween on Dec 22, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Was reading earlier this week on PFF...

While Senn played well on tackles & the run, apparently he gave up 60-70% of our total pass yardage for the game or something insane like that. His coverage skills are lacking, so I see him as another Dan Connor – great backup, not a playmaking starter.

by ppalm on Dec 22, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

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