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Carolina Panthers Monday Morning Optimist- 12/19/11

So let me get this straight: The Panthers won their third straight game on the road, the Packers lost to the Chiefs and the Colts managed to win a game? Alright then, pinch me.

Independent of how the whole weekend went in the NFL the Panthers were brilliant in Houston against the Texans. Were they maddening at times? Absolutely... did I facepalm on a few occasions? Sure did. In the end though, none of it mattered, Carolina entered the house of the NFL's #1 defense and a 10 win team and found a way to win. It's the same thing the Denver Broncos have done, but Cam Newton won't get Tebow's coverage.

I'm not choosing to mention Tebow casually, because in a lot of ways Cam Newton mirrored the 2nd year signal caller. I say this because as a whole Newton played fairly poorly, he missed open receivers at times, failed to see others but in the end he found a way to make enough big plays that he led his team to a win. Whether it was with his arm, or with his feet Cam was able to keep the chains moving.

Granted, there was a certain amount of luck on Sunday too. If T.J. Yates was able to make plays down field I'm not sure the Panthers would have been able to hold on. The defense which looked so good in the first half looked utterly lost in the third quarter, which is a combination of two thing: Firstly it's the offense making adjustments, and secondly it's the defensive players getting tired- after all, when you have this many defensive starters who are used to just playing special teams they can get worn down quickly.

As we sit here on a Monday morning none of this really matters... we won, moreover we won our 5th game of the season. Before week one I said I would be thrilled with a 6-10 season in Rivera's first year, and it seems that record is wholly attainable; I couldn't be happier. After the jump we'll look a little deeper into the game and hand out our game ratings.

Star-divide

Panthers' fans tend to have a love-hate relationship with former beat writer Darin Gantt. He tends not to sugar coat things, and is normall pretty outspoken when his opinion differs from the majority's. Hence when he describes OLB James Anderson as a JAG (Just A Guy) he gets a lot of flack. To me Anderson is an interesting case because all of his games are quiet. While watching you don't get the feeling he's making a big impact on the game but when you look back on it hes always near the top of the team in tackles. I'm not sure Anderson is a 'JAG', I think Gantt is being a little harsh, but I also don't think he's the elite play-making OLB some want to typify him as. I feel James Anderson is the kind of guy every team wants starting for them, he does almost everything well and he's reliable, even if he doesn't make big impact plays.

We can juxtapose Anderson with the player who started across from him on Sunday, Jordan Senn. Unlike Anderson there's very little quietness about his game, both audibly and figuratively. While Senn may not do the little things, and he may not be reliable on every single down the fact remains that when he's in the position to make a play he makes it. If there's one saving grace to having so many injuries this season it's to watch Senn emerge and ponder his future on the Panthers. It's easy to overlook just how well he's played of late, but if he was starting a full 16 game slate he would be on pace for 144 tackles, 6 FF and 3 INT. Those kind of numbers are transcendent and so eye-popping that one wonders if OLB is really as dire a priority as we once thought.

Optimistic

Jordan Senn, Extremely Optimistic This is my player of the week for the Panthers. His stats this week were huge, 14 tackles, 1 FF and 1 INT- but more than that he was always in the right position and getting stops. Whether it was in run support or pass defense he didn't allow anyone in his vicinity to make big plays, he also wrapped up extremely well and was the best tackler on the team yesterday.

Steve Smith, Extremely Optimistic Still elite, Steve Smith played better than Jonathan Joseph for much of the game. While Cam wasn't able to get him the ball with as much regularity as I would have liked, he was able to make big plays when the opportunity arose.

Rob Chudzinski, Extremely Optimistic Some knock him for the play calling to start the third quarter, but I saw more of a lack of execution than a problem with the plays. Any time you engineer an offense that dominates the best defense in the NFL and have time (and the chutzpah) to call a fumblerooski then you get props from me.

Cam Newton, Extremely Optimistic While this wasn't Newton's most impressive game statistically it showed an intestinal fortitude that was severely missing last week. Simply wanting to win isn't always enough; greatness is defined for a QB when they're able to overcome a set of bad circumstances and lead his team regardless, and this is what we saw from Cam yesterday.

Chris Gamble, Extremely Optimistic Granted, Gamble wasn't asked to cover Andre Johnson, but he did a good job regardless and was flying all over the field. How I wish he could get a pro-bowl berth.

Dan Connor, Somewhat Optimistic Nothing really eye-popping, but that's a good thing sometimes. Connor made good plays in run support and stopped Arian Foster from dominating the game.

Pessimistic

Defensive Line, Extremely Pessimistic As a whole the entire defensive line was mediocre on Sunday. The tackles are still not good as Arian Foster averaged over 6 yards per carry and the defensive ends didn't get enough pressure on the QB.

Special Teams Coverage, Extremely Pessimistic Still allowing too many return yards the ST group keep taking bad angles. This is one of those things that can only be improved with time.

Overall Outlook

This team is going to finish 2011 very successfully for a 1st year head coach and QB. Newton is going to break Peyton Manning's passing record and I think the Panthers will get one more win, likely next week against the Bucs. I'll take 6-10 anytime.

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Once aganthat is one bad ass photo…The peppers pic was cool but seeing Jake and Cam shake is special.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 AM EST reply actions  

Jake adds: “I’d bet my bo-berry biscuits on it.”

"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"

by Panthster on Dec 19, 2011 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well yeah... but if he follows Jake's example he'd also have about 10 more INTs

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm really hoping...

That the players and coaches will give Gamble his due when they vote. Overall, they are more enlightened about their opponents than the general public is – they have to play against and scheme against those guys. Gamble has kept some of the league’s most elite WRs in check (see Fitzgerald and Megatron as prime examples).

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by jamiedk on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

School's alright...

Especially since I’m on break at the moment. =) Nice to see you.

Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.

"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera

by jamiedk on Dec 19, 2011 10:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Took the words right out of my mouth...

…or the post right out of my…(you get my point)

by DIRTYSMAC on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not just you...

And the throw to Olsen, on the left sideline (2Q, 3 and 3, leading to the 2nd TD pass to Shockey, was perfect. And the fakery on the between-the-legs hand-off to Brockel – perfect.

Comparing him to Tebow, by saying “in a lot of ways Cam Newton mirrored the 2nd year signal caller. I say this because as a whole Newton played fairly poorly…” – this is faint praise indeed. Cam has much poorer pass protection than Tebow has, yet it was Tebow who lost 53 yards for his team in sacks, and only completed 50% of his passes. Did Tebow throw 2 TD passes? Did he even throw 1? I didn’t see them, or it.

I’m tired of even bringing him into our conversations. Yesterday’s post-game ‘celebration thread was hijacked by dozens of posts about TT, and I pledge to never mention, nor comment, on him on this Panther board again, and would hope that others follow suit. This is supposed to be a Panthers’ board. From here on out, let’s keep it that way.

An overlooked record that Newton may set this year, and one that I don’t recall even mentioned here, is that he now leads all NFL players (and has for weeks) in rushing for FD conversions on 3rd downs. Every other player (Arian Foster is second, and the only one close to Cam) on that list is a RB. This is a remarkable achievement. I’d bet my house that no other QB has ever been CLOSE to setting that mark.

The list of records he’ll set this year is not yet compiled, with more to fall the next 2 games. But when they’re assembled into a post-season group, let’s not forget that one, if it stands.

by bigdavis on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

This should help...

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Ahh...ok.

You’re not the best for nothing. Always thinking a step ahead. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Then you'll be pleased to know...

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by James Dator on Dec 19, 2011 9:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great...I'll have my people talk to your people, and we'll work something out.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

"Friken Laser Beam"

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Click on the pic that looks like a tree....post the image URL in the that box then paste..you can always preview before you hit post

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

like this

I screwed up trying for the adjust the height. Ty man.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Post the photo and where the quotation marks end put height= then your height. 250 is good normally but sometimes that is too big as well. Adjust accordingly

its all good

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Obviously no spaces…had i done that the photo would have worked

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by MMA_PITBULL on Dec 19, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

and did you catch the 3rd down run stat?

Cam is leading the league on 1st downs or touchdowns when he runs on 3rd down. He had a huge one late. If they had pinned us back inside the 5 to punt they might have gotten a quick score and some momentum. That run killed them.

by CarvedTones on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Cam didn’t play bad at all…he missed some, but again, he is a rookie. All things considered, very measured and controlled game against the number 1 D…made some great line changes too, if you heard his cadences.

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by DownForce on Dec 19, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

I think yesterday showed why we need an interior stud in the worst way (and no, Ron Edwards is not the cure)...

It seemed like CJ and Hardy were schemed against perfectly, and there was almost no pressure up the middle on the majority of the pass plays. I like Neblett as a run stopper, but he’s not going to get much pass pressure, and it doesn’t seem like the other guys on the field yesterday were much better at generating push up the middle.

I was extremely happy to see Senn flying around the field though; it seems like he is getting better at being in position to make plays (he could always deliver a solid hit, but he played out of position a lot in earlier games), and I’m thinking that this game experience is helping highlight his talents as a great rotational LB at the least (I’m still worried about his size as a FT starter, but then again maybe he’s got the necessary mean streak to overcome that…it definitely doesn’t seem to affect his tackling ability)!

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping for...

I’m still hopeful that we are able to trade down, because it seems like we won’t be in a position to take Kalil, so beyond that we could stand to pick up some picks without losing out on a lot of potential talent. Definitely starting to side with the argument that we take Dre K (or one of the top CBs in the draft) and go with the big guy from UW in the 2nd (as he seems to be getting projected, depending on who you read).

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Shirley didn't get as many reps as he should have.

But when he was in at NT, he did the job well, and got his second sack, in as many games.

I thought our DL rotation was adequate. They got 150 rushing yds, but this is under their average. For the most part, it seems we’ve cured the early season problem of allowing any run towards the sidelines to go for big yardage. And we’re not getting gashed easily on runs up the middle, as we were when McClain and Fooie were at DT.

by bigdavis on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't mind how they've played against the run in recent weeks (it does seem to have "clicked", whatever was missing from before)...

but the Shirley sack was almost pure luck on Shirley’s part (Yates basically ran into him at the line); It just seemed like Yates had all day to throw the ball, with a near perfect pocket on most of those plays. Maybe Shirley needs more reps over Kearse, but on the whole we need some stud talent in the middle.

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't watch the game with a clear picture because I have to use a stream online.

But it looked to me like our guys were getting held a lot and no holding calls. Okay maybe not a lot but I thought I saw a couple, I couldn’t watch for it much because I am more of a follow the ball watcher.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I was watching a stream as well lol...

I just kinda assume they get held a lot, but then again you ask any fanbase that question and it’ll be a shock if any of them say the other team’s o-line played a fair game

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well to me

I see Big Money get held up big time at least once every possession it seems. It’s really frustrating because it never gets flagged while it seems like if one of our players just slips their arm outside the shoulders its an immediate flag.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Get Jake away from our QB

I was wishing we could of beat up on Jake some but whatevers, I was happy with outcome yesterday.

Texans have to be pretty depressed and worried about their chances of doing anything in the playoffs with the team and QB they got going forward, which is a shame, I would like to see some new AFC blood upset the status quo for a change.

by Relax on Dec 19, 2011 8:35 AM EST reply actions  

Seems like we've got one of Jake's bitter exes.

Regardless of how you feel about his play, he’s one hell of a mentor.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely!

Jake gave us some of the best moments in franchise history! He may have ended his tenure here badly, but he’s one hell of a guy and an awesome mentor.

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by Panther4Life!!! on Dec 19, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Jake was also great at motavating

the troops for a 4th quarter/ot come back. This is something I personally would pay him to teach Cam. Cam gets to down and depressed to motivate or rile up his teammates. I know he is young, but I am hoping he matures enough to focus on the task of preserving the lead or coming from behind. Yesterday was a good step forward.

"Shh! Be quiet everyone. That includes me. Shh! Who’s making that noise? Oh, it’s me again…"

by Panthster on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

True. Yesterday he showed the 4th qtr leadership we've been missing... and he made the plays to back it up.

Giant step forward. Keep it going, Cam.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 19, 2011 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah and we all know how Matt Moore ended up for us

If Jake gets within 50 ft of Newton for more than 2 minutes ever again, I’m going to personally go and shoot him

by Atlantapanther on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

you say this like MM was some sort of QB prodigy before he came to our roster...

Moore was an UDFA with average physical tools at his disposal; it’s pretty astonishing what we got out of him given how unlikely it was that he would actually crack the roster…

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a little much....

Why not be happy for the good times Jake gave us. He’s no longer on the team, so I say we just move on. Dwelling on bad years is pointless now, it’s not as if he affects the team anymore. Let it go man…

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by Panther4Life!!! on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

yeesh

I hope all your ex-girlfriends have restraining orders and bodyguards.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Moore was a good qb for us.

I don’t know wtf you were watching.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah they put a stat up during the Dolphin game that really highlighted his abilities

With something to play for: absolute turdish.

With nothing to play for: pretty good.

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by Thee Steve Johnson on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This is hard to argue with.

But I would say that there might be some other circumstances that affect this phenomena.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't understand my point

Only Tomthehomer understood what I was alluding. Matt Moore had the skills. Jake may have messed his game up mentally. The guy could play when there was nothing to play for but he tanked under pressure. I’m happy he’s doing decently well in Miami. Hopefully he’s been away from Delhomme’s advice for a while.

by Atlantapanther on Dec 19, 2011 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you may have misinterpreted what I meant...

I don’t think Jake had anything to do with Moore’s issues with playing under pressure; it’s pretty amazing that someone of Moore’s physical skills (which are above average, at best) was able to do what he did in spot start duty, but his inability to perform consistently once being named the FT starter has nothing to do with Jake being on the roster or giving him advice (Jake is, after all, one of only a few QB’s to win 4 or more road playoff games, and his career record on comeback wins is pretty damn impressive by any measure). Hell, I wish we had more guys like Jake in our history; I can still remember what Moose said about him on his first regular season play: “He came in and yelled ‘Get your F—— heads up!’, and we all just kinda snapped out of our funk allofasudden”.

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

There's no denying what he did for our franchise before the surgery

He has a great attitude that pumps people up but I really don’t think he is capable of giving any QB advice. Not many of you will probably agree with me but his career in Carolina was marked by tremendous luck. First of all, he had no competition to outshine. Rodney Peete was trash and so was any further competition until Matt Moore (who isn’t great but decent). I believe Carolina didn’t bring in any competition because Fox got his dick sucked behind closed doors. Second, he is a horrible decision maker. He had the luxury of a running game, great defense, and of course steve smith to catch lobs all over the place. Once he had the surgery, he couldn’t bullshit as much anymore and it finally showed in the Raiders and Cardinals games in 2008. I love Jake Delhomme the guy. I hate Jake Delhomme the QB.

by Atlantapanther on Dec 19, 2011 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget about how

Delhomme was dating Richardson's grandaughter and Fox is married to his daughter

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why he'll still be one of my favorite Panthers...

Once a Panther, always a Panther(minus Julius Peppers)… Haha!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep.

It was definitely time for him to go, or at least go to the bench, but nobody can argue that he wasn’t a great guy, and before the injury he was a very good quarterback.

by cj5 on Dec 19, 2011 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Jake is the man

we also share a mutual love of Bojangles.

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Rec'd.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

"You complete me"

even if you do not complete a pass.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Makes me think it might be safe to bring Ol' Jake back in 2012

as a better back-up than Derek Anderson…he would be no threat to Newton as a starter…something we worried about with JC at the helm

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by Jaxon on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I have felt the same way

it would be better than the one day contract Steve Burline did and John Kasay may some day do.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I think for the scheme

Anderson is a better backup.

Jake should definitely be brought back for a one day contract though to retire.

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by Flowing Willow on Dec 19, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions  

The man never step out of bounds as a person or a player

He could have easy been bitter or spoken harshly but it kept with it even when his body was failing him.

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

What he rally said...

“Son, you got some big ole haunches on you doncha? I got a new Colt just itchin for a name… think I might name him Newton in your honor.”

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Scooten Newton that is...

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by bigred28655 on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Jake.

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by Smitty89 on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Want an example of someone who typifies the Panthers mentality and class? Jake Delhomme.

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by Ivan459 on Dec 19, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Stellar First and the defense held on for the win...

I was ecstatic by halftime and I loved to see what we had done against the number 1 defense however I wonder how much of an impact there was on that #1 defense because there defensive coordinator Wade Philips was not there.

It is exciting to see plays happen where even I have no clue what is going on! That Fumblerooski was perfect! The O-line waited patiently and did not hint the drive to the left and Cam played up the sweep to the right…

All in all we won on the road and played the team game very well.

by izzykee on Dec 19, 2011 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

I think the "Bumrooski" play was pure psychological genius.

Imagine you’re a DC, telling your players to “beware the Cam option.” Boom goes the dynamite. Now what do you tell them? Beware the 3rd string TE/Fullback on a trick play? I absolutely loved it. If the opponent can’t guess what’s coming, anything and everything can work!

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 19, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think I saw a big difference in Cam yesterday.

The offense fell flat at the start of the third quarter, but a few series later Cam came back on the field fired up and led them on that long scoring drive. I didn’t see the mopey act that I’ve come to expect. The only slight concern I still had about Cam’s future as the franchise QB was his ability to bounce back in a game after a disappointment, but he seems to be learning how to handle it.

I’m feeling good about this team. Six, maybe seven, wins this season; shore up the defense in the offseason; legitimate playoff contenders next season!

by cj5 on Dec 19, 2011 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

I felt the same way

When they showed Cam walking out on the field in the 4th smiling I thought it was a graphic from earlier in the game. When I realized it was live, I knew he had taken a huge step forward.

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by Oi2dwrld on Dec 19, 2011 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That confidence was infectious, and eliminated any feelings that anybody on the Offense may have had of "here we go again."

Two ball control drives to finish off the game is what the doctor ordered for this team. Now they know, from their own experience, how to finish off opponents.

And it bears repeating again that this was no rinky-dink loser team we were playing. nor was it in our house, but in a very noisy, hostile, environment.

Kudos to the coaches for the prep work they did, not only for the handling of the crowd noise, but for the effective installation of 4-5 plays that we’ve never seen before, all of which were executed flawlessly.

Edwards pass from the wildcat picked up a FD, the Chudrooskie was the Play of the Week (set up nicely by inserting Brockel for a pass reception the play before, so he didn’t look like a new addition to the lineup), and the blocking scheme on Williams’ burst of a TD run was unique.

I had HOPED we could win this game, and I posted that the Texans might take us lightly, and be in too much of a headline-reading, pat themselves on the back situation – but this was great for the Panthers in so many ways, to set themselves up for next year. They now know they can win 3 in a row on the road, beat a playoff team, put up 28 on a highly-regarded defense, and close out a win with long, time-consuming,, chain-moving drives.

by bigdavis on Dec 19, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh yeah, that drive to seal the game was a thing of beauty

We exerted our will running the ball on the #1 defense in football, in their house, when they KNEW we were going to run it.

We just kept moving the chains.

It’s not like we had our optimal offensive line out their either… very proud of the execution at the end of the game.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, bigdaddy. Cam came in with the attitude of a winner. And when it came down to brass tacks,

he made the play(s) that took any remaining steam out of them. Deangelo’s TD may have sealed the deal, but it was Cam’s runs to move the chains that took the air out of the #1 defense in the NFL.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention our depth getting major reps this year

Something that isn’t mentioned a ton but will reap benefits next year as well is guys like Senn getting a ton of real game experience this season.

We were talking about that during the game yesterday, next season we get our injured players back, add a couple new pieces to, and have not only our rookies and 2nd year players with another season under their belt but also have a lot more experience in our depth.

by MindMachine on Dec 19, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Won 5 of our last 6 games, 3 straight road games, with this last one coming on the road against a team we have never beaten.

This was the signature win against a quality opponent I was hoping for last week. We played a solid game for 3 and a half quarters. When the offense went stale in the 3rd and they could have said “oh no, here we go again,” they found a way to make a play, get a first down, and get that momentum back. I think that was big and this was a “getting over the hump” type of win.

We now know our offense can score on anybody if they can score all over the #1 defense in the league. This offense is going to be downright scary in the future.

by John Chilton on Dec 19, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

I think your right. Yesterday they brought up the stat of us winning our last 3 of 4, I began

thinking about how strong we could finish the season out and somehow that’s what made it into my comment. I blame lack of coffee.

by John Chilton on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Lack of coffee is a perfectly legit excuse.

When I start reading CSR on weekends, I have to remind myself; “Don’t write any comments until you’ve had your coffee.” Unfortunately, I can’t check in during he week (I have to fuckin’ work), but that’s my mantra for weekends.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Dec 19, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm hoping that this is our future

Winning 5 of 6 to end the season would be huge for this team and something to build on going into next year.

by MindMachine on Dec 19, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Add o line to pessimistic they got beat consistently all game

A little hard on our d line. They are all young going against one of the best o lines in nfl and did allow the lbs to play downhill and took up the blocks. Neblett also got pressure a few time s including the Dennis int. As for Arian Foster what do you expect he barely got 100a yards rushing. And this is a guy that has over 1000 yards even though he missed the first few games. Trying to keep foster under 100 is like trying to keep brees to under 200.

Hogan was promising… he only played a little… im sure to be safe with his knee. But showed he is smart jammed the we ob and went to cover others because he knew he was ineligible. And aggressive by sticking the guy for a loss in the next play

As for Cam he played a great game to say otherwise is incomprehensible

by jai6y6 on Dec 19, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

I did like how Hogan absolutely manhandled Kevin Walter

Make no mistake about it, Walter is a savvy veteran. He knows how to fight the jam at the line and at 6’3" 217lbs. has the size to do it. Hogan went right in there and assploded him right to the sidelines. Good play by the rook.

The fact we never saw him get beat is a good sign. I’m sure we’ll hear more from Rivera.

btw, I also learned that Kevin Walter was born the same day as me.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

One play that stood out to me

was the third down pass to Legatron in the 4th. That play was a great one even though it was just a short little pass, Cam threw a pass that he usually struggles on perfectly (I can recall a few times where he overthrows Lafell or Smitty on the same route), Legadu caught a clutch pass and we converted a 3rd down late in the game.

by kasayfan4 on Dec 19, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

james anderson is not just a guy

I believe he has become the quiet leader of this team, leading by example. I also believe he will be a defensive captain next year. For me he has been consistent and the only stable force in our crippled defensive line. Very impressed with him and jordan senn after yesterday, dude had a beast of a game

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 9:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

You need to give Anderson some optimistic love

He may be quiet and not make impact plays all the time, but that pick in the end zone was the biggest step the Panthers defense has taken this year in order to close out games. Instead of watching their lead diminish, Anderson made a stop and the offense was able to capitalize.

IMO: James Anderson – Extremely Optimistic

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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Great piece James....

But you get my rec simply because you used the word “chutzpah”.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Rec'd

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by Oi2dwrld on Dec 19, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol.

That’s sounds more pornographic than catchy. What an image!

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by ALAC on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions  

One wonders how you properly pronounce Chudzpah...

Chutzpah is pronounced like… Hood-Spa

is Chudzpah like… Chood-Spa?

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

CSR, where our Chudzpah makes even the Little Giants proud!

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

How about: Our chudzpah is bigger than your chudzpah.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It's kind of awkward to caption.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Well said.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Indeed. My family is half jewish... the only time i hear Yiddish is during the high holidays

So for you to use it in this everyday situation talking about football made me laugh, James.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Not sure if he got enough looks to warrant a label one way or another, but Lafell had some butter fingers yesterday...

I know he had one or two that were not terribly catchable, but I know he dropped one that he normally makes, and of course dropped that one bubble screen that probably could have gone for big yards (we had the numbers on that side of the field). I’m still firmly in his corner, but yesterday was a bump in an otherwise solid sophomore season…

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

A small addition

Pessimistic: Rivera’s post-game win speeches. That little blurb they played on Fox’s sounds of the locker room had me shaking my head. No wonder they haven’t had back to back wins! Gotta step it up, BAMF.

by ppalm on Dec 19, 2011 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

What was it? I didnt see it.. What did he say?

by PantherTrain on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Nothing worth remembering

It was just one of those “good game guys” speeches, but with a bit of stammering and poor use of words.

by ppalm on Dec 19, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Well its only the 5th time he's done it, so maybe everybody has to learn how to win...

And what to say after said win.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Extremely optimistic? Albert Breer! I think that dude is a psychic or sold his soul to be right on his predictions. The dude is like 130-55 this season on his predictions ( somewhere around that number, I know it’s more than 2:1 margin) he predicted the win for us and he simply said “just a gut feeling here, on paper I should pick the Texans but I must have a strong feeling on this one.” by far the best analyst at predicting games.

Anyway yea this was a great solid win, I think 6-10 is a given for us this year. BTW isn’t that what the Lions went las year and now they are going to the playoffs and also Green Bay went 6-10 two seasons ago.

I do wish Cam got his passing yds record but it’s ok. We need to improve our O line, the last few weeks Cam has been getting sacked or flushed out of the pocket way too much. I think a Reilly Reiff or David Decastro might be a big upgrade.

BTW I meant to ask, is it often that players come back from a ACL injury and still play very well? I ask because I know Gettis is coming back, but is there any doubt he won’t be the same after his ACL tear? What other pro NFL players that have had torn ACLs come back and still dominate in the league?

by PantherTrain on Dec 19, 2011 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

ACL injuries

Have become fairly common and many payers have recovered from them to play just fine. For a speed guy there’s always a risk they will lose a step but medical procedures have come so far, he should be fine. Add to that the extended period of time he’s had to recover and he should be ready to go at the start of training camp if not sooner

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by Kris Mynatt on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh, and as far as players who have come back from them

Tom Brady, Willis Mcgahee, L.T., T.O. just to name a few

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by Kris Mynatt on Dec 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

McGahee's injury was similar to Culpepper's

Torn ACL, MCL, and PCL. I was watching that game live and man was that gross. Legs aren’t supposed to bend that way.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

McGahee is doing well this year, for my fantasy team anyway.

When did he have the injury?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

During the 2003 Fiesta Bowl.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh long ago.

How did he do the year he returned, do you know?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

1128 yards with a 4.0 avg and 13TDs in '04.

(I was just looking at his career stats page.)

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He was the poster boy for the "Don't go back to college and risk injury" brigade.

He’s never been the same since that injury – he was the best of the bunch (Portis/Gore/McGahee), but that devastating knee injury sapped his burst.

Edge was better than them all of course – pre knee injury.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I still have that game on an old Tivo.

Yeah…that was one of the worst I’ve seen.

Great national championship game. (Against Chris Gamble and the Buckeyes.)

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I've been raised an Ohio State fan

So I watched it and still remember it clearly. I’m really surprised he was able to come back and have any success. Watching that was like watching his career get bent and torn up and thrown away.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I was kind of hoping Cam would break the Manning record yesterday too but,

It will be better for the home team fans to be there for it. Something they can feel like they were a part of history, so that will be a good thing this week.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm kind of glad the script worked out so he could get the big win on the road

using fewer passing yards, so the record could be broken at HOME. It will be a great day for the franchise. Plus he still gets to break it an entire game faster than Manning.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 19, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Anyway yea this was a great solid win, I think 6-10 is a given for us this year. BTW isn’t that what the Lions went las year and now they are going to the playoffs and also Green Bay went 6-10 two seasons ago.

That can’t be possible, because that would mean they missed out on top 5 elite picks in the draft…and we all know you can’t win games if you don’t get an elite draft position. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Replay fail....Reply to PT.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea your right BW, since Green Bay won and picked outside the top 5 they had to settle drafting those scrubs Clay Matthews and BJ Raji lol jk

by PantherTrain on Dec 19, 2011 10:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

We’re kidding around, but there’s truth in what I’m saying (and what you replied)…elite talent is found throughout the draft, and drafting in the top 5 doesn’t guarantee an elite player will be chosen. (See: JaMarcus Russel, Joey Harrington, Charles Rogers, and Ryan Leaf as exhibits A, B, C, and D.)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

great game

watched it in the hospital with my sick grandmother, and had to leave at halftime because i was so loud. very impressed with our LBs… they were all over the place, even Connor. looking forward to saturday!!

by TurdFerguson on Dec 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

I apologize in advance....

But does it make anybody else sick that Tim Tebow STILL has the main headline and photo on NFL.com after completing a total of 11 passes and losing the game?

Give it up NFL.

by MindMachine on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Spot on James, here are my additions

Jeremy Shockey – Extremely Optimistic – I don’t know anyone on the team outside of Steve Smith that has more fun out on a football field. Shockey plays hard every week and brings that consistent veteran presence that Cam desperately needs. He made a couple good grabs, including a great catch and run for a TD. We need to lock him up for as long as he thinks he can keep playing.

DeAngelo Williams – Extremely Optimistic – Anyone who thinks D-Lo has lost some of his burst needs to look no further than his TD run yesterday. The moment that lane opened up, he was gone. The secondary took a terrible angle, badly misjudging his speed, and letting him scamper right in. This is the 2nd week in a row he has broken a big TD, further emphasizing that Chud is beginning to understand how to use our backs optimally.

Armanti Edwards – Somewhat Optimistic – Of course I have to give Money a shout out for his wildcat play, was it a frozen rope? No. But he did need to float it a little to get it over the edge rusher. Still, a great gain on the play. Hopefully we see more faith in letting AE run the wildcat moving forward, maybe a TD pass to Newton? He also had a heads up play on a punt return to prevent a favorable Houston bounce, diving to secure the football (although the play was, yet again, flagged for defensive holding)

Interior O-Line – Somewhat Optimistic – While the Texans were able to get some pressure up the middle, the guards and centers did a great job creating space for our backs and for Cam, particularly in the 4th quarter when needed the most. Hangartner in particular made a great block to spring D-Will for a TD.

Team Tackling – Somewhat Optimistic – Missed tackles were not the glaring mistakes that I have seen all season long, not even Sherrod Martin got burnt yesterday that I can recall. And as Ice Cube would say, it was a good day.

Team Psychology – Somewhat Pessimistic – I can’t quantify this, but when i watch our games now, i feel like I am more in tune with momentum than ever, which is usually something reserved for the college game. I am glad we got over the hump and won this game, but I can’t remember a team that is so affected by swing in momentum like the 2011 Panthers. I can attribute this to the youth on the team, but it is something I worry about.

Brandon LaFell – Somewhat Pessimistic – Not a condemnation on his season, and certainly he faced very tough competition in the secondary this week, but LaFell was all but absent yesterday, posting a bagel on the stat sheet and failing to provide Cam with a quality 2nd option.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

its time to let edwards go tater...

I know you love him but his future on this team is at best limited. I like the kid and wish he had succeeded here, but I don’t think its meant to be. I won’t begrudge you too much, pilares’s future only seems more secure because of his return game.

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 11:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

No way no how.

AE is as close to a football hero to me as I have ever had. I’ve seen him do amazing things on a football field. I will never lose faith in him, and if the Panthers drop him, that is their loss. Wherever he ends up, I will cheer for him to do well, I’ll at least become a partial fan of whatever team he goes to.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, though...

Do you think they would be putting in plays like that if their plan was to cut him after the season? No. He’d be inactive every week—or on IR.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

AE has at least another year.

Hurney is going to be dead set on proving he was worth the pick.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah. That will be difficult.

I mean, it ended up being the 33rd overall pick. Not to re-hash it all, but unless he starts contributing at WR he will never live up to that. And we don’t know, he may be called upon to play some WR next season, depending on how we handle that position in the offseason.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Will he ever live up to the 33rd pick? Maybe not.

Does that mean he can’t be useful? I think he definitely can be.

It’s not like cutting bait with him now gives us a consolation prize and another pick to use on someone else. Fact is, the ONLY thing good for the team is to see this three year project through to the end and hope to get something out of it.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm totally on board with that.

I still don’t think we can definitively say that he can or cannot get it done at WR on this team. But it looks like the only way we find out is if something favorable happens for him in the offseason. Like, say, if Legatron is not re-signed, and maybe Gettis is slow to comeback. That would make him the 3rd WR, unless 81 makes some strides.

But if he’s not at least 3rd he’s going to be all but invisible in this offense, minus the trickeration.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

“Peppers? No, you don’t want him. Let him go to a team that carries a national brand…and here’s what you get instead! Great, everybody’s happy!”

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont completely disagree with this either

I just feel there’s no real role for him here. Yes he adds a wildcat option, but that pass was ugly… Whose to say its gonna work every time? If push comes to shove and they need a roster spot I don’t fancy ae’s chances, which again is kinda sad

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 1:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not worried about the way the pass looked.

He had to loft it over the edge rusher. I know he can throw the ball well. Anyone who has ever watched tape on him knows he can.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Boy can spin it. Um hm.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if AE wasn't showing them anything at all, Rivera would have already had axe in hand

Fact is Rivera is looking for guys who want to “make a play”, AE is one of those guys.

Rivera has acknowledged that we need to be better on punt returns, and specifically noted that AE was not the problem.

Point is… he has improved. Last season was a lost season in his development. This season he worked hard throughout the offseason on becoming a more sure handed returner. We have seen the payoff of that, he has not lost a punt all season. We have also seen several returns get called back for penalties, and others where he never had any shot.

I think, with steady progress at returner, coupled with a good offseason and his usefulness in the wildcat, we definitely see one more season of AE.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with you, Tater...

Edwards has a bright future on this team. I judge him under the scope that I do Pilares. Last year was a complete waste thanks to Foxco (Fox & Co.). This is his “true” rookie season, the first in which he actually gets a chance to grow with a coaching staff that aids his development rather than impede upon it.

Edwards is going to be the compact, WR version of Cam: an athlete and play maker. The difference is, Cam didn’t switch positions, so Edwards just needs some (meaningful) time to get up to speed. I have no doubt that he’ll be a huge part of our offense next season… and if not ours, someone else’s. Like you said, our loss if he’s cut.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay I don't understand why everybody wants Armanti out

We have alphabet soup behind him on the depth chart. Is it because of his actual talent, or his talent relative to where he was drafted that has everybody so anti-Armanti?

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

In my opinion

It seems there are a handful of fans that are still pissed that we used the 33rd overall pick on him and want him out on principal.

by MindMachine on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I figured

He’s in his second year playing WR at any level and so many people are ready to pull the plug on him.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not so much that we want Armanti out, but...

His contributions are limited. I doubt he could beat our Smitty, LaFell, Gettis, Pilares, and Nanee at the WR position, and we’ve got some more receivers coming to camp just to compete, I’m sure. AE never really got a chance to compete at receiver in Carolina, and I don’t see his chances getting better next year. Not only that, but he’s not exactly killing it in the return game either. I think he’s gone next year, but I’d rather keep him and let Nanee go, or get another gem in the draft.

by usana_gaines on Dec 19, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

just an FYI...

Legs is only 28. He’s probably going to stick around for a while. And in all honesty, he has progressed decently, but I still see LaFell as having a far superior upside.

by aceofsween on Dec 19, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I do think we see Legatron stick around a bit. Cam seems to be comfortable with him, and he has definitely gotten better as the season has gone on.

Will he ever be a spectacular player? Probably not. But there is a niche in the NFL for system guys who can provide a reliable target.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Lafell couldn't get any separation.

And it looked like the only time Cam threw it to him was on 9-routes, all of which were overthrown.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Like someone else mentioned

there was the screen pass. That was all on Lafell.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

I mentioned it earlier, but there was the screen pass and another pass before that over the middle that he should have caught...

I still think he’s the #2 going forward, but yesterday was not pretty for him

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I noticed that too, his lack of ability to get separation is a problem.

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by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you Tater, the way Deangelo ran away from the defense was insane,

(he definitely proved he can still do that), and even with the dropped ball yesterday Shockey certainly brings a certain fire and attitude to the team. I also like the way the other team’s fanbases depise him making big plays.

by carolinapillpusher on Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't blame Shocks for that dropped pass lol

he took a nasty hit from Ryans on that play

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

It was also a blindside hit if I recall correct.

Isn’t that supposed to be some kind of penalty? A defenseless receiver?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I think to be defenseless they have to be in the air.

but I can’t begin to understand some of these rules.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The TE doesn't count when enforcing that rule.

It's only for the "wussy" guys: the QB's and WR's

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought they might do that at first (which would've been bs), but that was just a great hit...

no launching with the helmet first, got him in torso after he cradled the ball…it was just a nasty hit. Then again, I’m sure there are some officials who would’ve thrown the flag anyways, and even as a benefiting fan I would’ve been upset (much like the roughing call on Cam earlier in the game…that was a weaksauce call)

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep I agree with that roughing call.

And I was thinking the same thing when it happened.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I can't imagine many receivers hanging on to that ball after the hit Ryans laid out.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Olsen would have

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up but....
I’ll take 6-10 anytime

Don’t know if I agree with that statement….I predicted 8-8 this year. I obviously won’t get that one right. However, after this season, a losing season will be totally unacceptable. We have to start building winning seasons, and to see what we have accomplished this year makes me think we will start to be a playoff contender for many years to come.

Steve Grogan? Never heard of him.

by Saul Good on Dec 19, 2011 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

I think 6-10 is acceptable this season

Considering our teams experience and injury status, I think that will be just fine.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I think I predicted 12-4

I fully expected CAM to detroy opposing defense starting in game 1, and I expected our defense to play much better. Yeah, I was wrong on a couple different points, but maybe 12-4 was expecting too much.

by usana_gaines on Dec 19, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Precisely.

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

He's played as well as a top 10 QB this year, You'd have to be clairvoyant to have seen it coming.

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by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

if you mean 6-10 this year

I agree…If you mean 6-10 “anytime” I don’t agree. That is the point I was trying to make. Maybe I misunderstood his intent.

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by Saul Good on Dec 19, 2011 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

I think he meant "I'll take 6-10 anytime we have a rookie QB and a rookie HC".

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Fixed it for you
I think he meant “I’ll take 6-10 anytime we have a rookie QB and a rookie HC this year”.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Dang it, FAIL.

I think he meant “I’ll take 6-10 anytime this year”.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

How can you fix what I think?

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It was joking around.

wtf.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Plus,

we all know your thoughts can't be fixed

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions  

If you all want to feel even better about this win than you already feel, (if that's possible)

go to the nfl site on the Panthers Texans game thread, click discussion, and click first posted, and read the comments. It makes me want to go troll them, but I didn’t.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

This is why a part of me wants us to go WR in the draft. Again I’m a big Lafell supporter but he’s not that WR that teams will double team and take pressure off Smitty. Yes we have a lot of WRs now but they are all 4-7th round picks. We need a true dynamic duo WR. Like Roddy White/ Julio Jones plus a true future WR to learn behind Smitty and replace him. Yes Gettis showed promise but he did just have one good year.

That’s why if we take a Blackmon, Kendall Wright, Dwight Jones etc I wouldn’t mind

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But there are positions that we need far worse.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

BUTZ WE CANZ HAZ BLACKMONZ

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at what Gettis did with JC at QB.

Look what Smitty did last year. Playing with an adequate QB has doubled Smitty’s production. The same could be theorized when it comes to Gettis…

74 recs, 1016 yards, 6TDs (this is doubling his numbers from last year.)

Throw in our TEs and the need for another WR is all but non-existent. And I haven’t even mentioned Lafell, Legatron, Pilares, Edwards and all the balls our RBs catch.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I willing to give Gettis one year to prove he has the potential to become a true #1-#2 WR.

But after him our WR depth is pretty nondescript.

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by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

WR can't play defense

So, no.

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by Smitty89 on Dec 19, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

From the Rivera presser:

We look forward to getting Gettis back, we also look forward to seeing how Armanti continues to progress in his first real year getting to play wide receiver.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Singles out Senn and Neblett as players that are "making it tough to justify NOT getting them on the field"

Also points out that Byron Bell will hopefully become a fixture somewhere along the offensive line.

Potential move to guard?

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think moving Bell to RG would be a great idea.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we have to see how he develops with NFL level conditioning

At this point, it is safe to say he would at least be a quality backup. But I want to see how a full offseason and training camp can elevate his abilities.

Rare is the day a UDFA gets to start almost a full season at RT, and actually do a fair job of it. I think it is also safe to say that he didn’t come from a top level conditioning and coaching program at NMSU, so to say he has not reached his ceiling is probably accurate.

If his lateral quickness can improve, he will be a fine RT. If they can’t squeeze that out of him… I think RG is more natural for him.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Bell went to UNM

Not NMSU. I can’t tell you the last time a player from my school (NMSU) went to the NFL. I believe it was Sideeq Shabazz. Either way, both teams are terrible. My ex cooks for NMSU football team and they eat sloppy, terrible food day in and day out. Its crazy

by AG83 on Dec 19, 2011 4:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

My apologies, I shot from the hip.

I knew it was somewhere in New Mexico. As someone who has heard outsiders call UNC and NCSU the same place multiple times, I feel bad for doing it just now.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed the beginning of it.

Did we have any injuries yesterday that will/might miss next week?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I missed some of it too I think, because it seemed pretty short.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

What difference does it make? You will accuse him of milseading you on Thursday if he said anything about it.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Aww Bernz….

Thanks for the quality advice.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You're welcome.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I dare not comment here...

Wouldn’t want to kiss any asses today.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

(Pouts in corner.)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Or was it "suck ass"

I forget—you’re the one paying.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Yet you still comment. Go figure......
I dare not comment here…

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh the irony!!!

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Looks like you took his words literally instead of finding the deeper meaning behind them.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Pointing out facts isn't trolling.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So it is a fact that if Rivera says
Starting cornerback Captain Munnerlyn left the game in the third quarter with a hamstring injury, starting strong safety Charles Godfrey aggravated a shoulder injury and backup free safety Jordan Pugh also got dinged up in the second half.

That I would say he is trying to mislead me?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

?

My statement that I’m talking about is:

Looks like you took his words literally instead of finding the deeper meaning behind them.

It has NOTHING to do with the injury report.

As for the other comment:

What difference does it make? You will accuse him of milseading you on Thursday if he said anything about it.

I think we can dig through the archives and prove that one is factual too. You complain when Rivera “misleads” you when he talks about who’s going to play and who isn’t.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Those are both wrong.

For 1, I shouldn’t have to read deeper into what anyone types. He clearly posted that to try to get a response from me, to troll. For the second 1, When I said Rivera’s injury reports are misleading, I clearly meant when he says in the middle or late in the week and he says a player is ok & held out precautionary. That in no way means I would say his report the day after the game is misleading. & I clearly said 100 times in that debate that I was basing it on his mid/late week assessment.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt...

The constant bickering between a handful of CSR members has really made this a much less enjoyable place to get Panther’s news.

by MindMachine on Dec 19, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

Every time MrBernz tries to stand up for what he says, its like listening to a 4 year old childs logic. He needs to know when to let things go

by AG83 on Dec 19, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Woah.

Dude you are ugly and smell funny.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

For any others wondering, here is the answer I was looking for.
Starting cornerback Captain Munnerlyn left the game in the third quarter with a hamstring injury, starting strong safety Charles Godfrey aggravated a shoulder injury and backup free safety Jordan Pugh also got dinged up in the second half.
Munnerlyn said he was covering a receiver when he turned and felt a sharp pain in his hamstring. He said he will be re-evaluated today in Charlotte. Godfrey said he probably will have an MRI this week to determine the severity of his shoulder problem, which has limited him in practice recently.

Had to go read the C.O. to get the answer.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow. If someone kicks your dog you kill their wife. huh?

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop being so sensative. And look up what trolling means because your comment at 12:53 is the perfect example.

For someone who can dish it out you sure as shit can’t take it. At all. Ever.

Why the all the vindictiveness? It’s not a good look.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you really retarded?

My comment at 12:53 was telling everyone the injury report. How is that trolling?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

We all know your comment from 12:53 had nothing to do with injuries.

I may be retarded but I can spot an angry bastard when I see one.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

You obviously are.

The whole comment was ONLY about the injury report. I recall the CSR staff saying once that when you use stuff from other sites to give them credit for it, so I said where I went to get the information.So yeah, You must be.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Then I'm glad its settled.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

The holiday season has everyone so cheery.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw you.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

merry christmas :)

We should be celebrating jesus… err… I mean tim tebows birthday. Not being grumpy

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think BBA will understand based on our rapport with one another that I was kidding.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what this made me lol.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The fact that I used the word rapport? That’d be my guess.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Or the fact that I assumed BBA would understand something?

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Both contribute equally, I think.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

lol this made me laugh.

And i for one, know why.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL I knew.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

no. its merry christmas

And a happy new year. You god damn crazy troll rabble rabble something something tebow rapport

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

LOL

And rec’d for the last word.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. :^)

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by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually you can come here and get about any information about the Panthers.

It is pretty sad when you ask a simple question, and 1 of the editors tries to troll you for it. I expect this kind of behavior from the other team fans, not from staff of the team we all root for.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not trolling you Bernz.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay. it just seemed like you were because you seemed to want to confront me

when I did the FIFY clearly as a joke, and thenyour reply about how I would say he is misleading when all I asked was if there was an injury report. But its all good.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

If I wanted to confront you, I'd put a little more effort into it than that.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't tell you how much I wanted to see this last season

Also pictured… Jordan Gross’s Fathead.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

2 for 2 in his career, no?

Baby steps to being a valued member of the Carolina Panthers…

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

As we are Pilares..

And since last year was a waste, they should be at the same point right now.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 19, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey…baby steps.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly...I thought that Chud really was going to pull out this trick play before the end of the season...

I’m patting myself on the back for predicting (in my own head) that several things would happen.

Literally, the day before this past game, I thought that they might use Brockel a little bit more. Granted, I did not see the Chudrooski coming. But I did think that they would try to pull something out of the hat against the #1 ranked defense – because of course, they were going to be focusing on Olsen and Shockey as TEs, versus the FB/TE hybrid who had all of one catch coming into this game (Brockel had only one catch previously, right?).

Then, we had already witnessed the willingness to use guys who used to play QB in trick plays with Naanee’s pass to Newton. They had slowly been working AE into a couple of formations…he had already lined up as a WR, as a tailback, and in wildcat as a rusher.

The offense really is dangerous when you take into account that you have 3 guys who have all played QB, and your QB is not just an 11th guy on the field whenever you go to wildcat – Newton’s a legitimate threat as a receiver.

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by jamiedk on Dec 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

This comment made me think about how we need to draft/sign Lutzenkirken.

Not sure why, but it did…and we need to.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

is that german for James T Kirk?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

It very well may be.

Epic, epic name.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, he does know a thing or two about flying...

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That would scare the crap out of me.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

He should be glad he has the athleticism and body control not to land on his head/neck.

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

lol, what an ass

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by Ivan459 on Dec 19, 2011 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He is pretty good.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed that we list Brockel as a TE.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen him line up there. He’s an H-back isn’t he?

As for the Edwards pass – yeah I was expecting that. I was surprised when they ran the Wildcat with Williams earlier in the game considering you have Edwards sat on the sidelines.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

He’s the 3rd TE. But yes, he is an H-back (miniature TE).

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought hartsock was the 3rd TE

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by SouthernPanther on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not recently. He hasn't been on the field except for the field goal unit.

Unless I’m missing something (aside from my sanity).

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I hadn't thought about it...

But I do think that Hartsock hasn’t seen much time at all in the last few weeks.

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by jamiedk on Dec 19, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

It's oversimplifying...

But I think of Brockel as a “whatever the heck you need me for” player – he plays a lot of different roles.

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by jamiedk on Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm.....a Utility End? Back?

Either way I like him. Solid player.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess the more wildcat looks you can put on tape

The harder it is for an opposition to prepare for them all.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

But y'know Williams isn't going to throw it.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why I wish he would throw it...just to add the threat of it in the equation.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Three things can happen when you throw the football and two of them are bad.

Do you REALLY want Williams throwing the ball?

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

It's also why I can't understand how the Wildcat works.

I’d match up the WRs in single coverage and send the other 9 guys on a run blitz.

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by OldhamA on Dec 19, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that could be troublesome if you have a Wildcat like Armanti who can throw,

and a mediocre CB on an elite/adequate WR. I guess it would depend on the success of the nine guys blitzing.

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Hell I would like to see an average CB match up with Cam

I bet he can get the better of that matchup.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Now we need Armanti to line up in the wildcat,

throw it to Newton, then Newton throws it back to an open Edwards.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

He's gonna have to get some elevation lol

never really realized how tiny AE is compared to the line until that wildcat play

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell, that's the beauty of it.

How could they see it coming, when they couldn’t see him?

by bigdavis on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

I just imagined them doing the barney fife impression like “Where’d they gooo?”

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by Tomthehomer on Dec 19, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how effective the Chudzerooski play would have been with Armanti taking the snap

They never would have seen him until they saw him taking off out right, by then Brockel could have made an omelette in the end zone.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nah...

The play was effective because teams are threatened by Cam’s ability to run for the TD. Edwards being in the mix would have been a neon sign saying, “TRICK PLAY COMING!”

by aceofsween on Dec 19, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't see..

What Cam is capable of that Edwards is not? Cam may be the more gifted of the two but both are capable of passing, running, and catching.

The threat remains the same with either.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

But, as we'd already seen..

Edwards is just as capable of passing as he is running, or anything else. I don’t think Edwards at QB says to the defense “hey, they’re going to hand it to the TE”. If anything, I’d be more worried that it is a run by Edwards, then it’s headed the other way and it’s too late.

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by D-Ranged1 on Dec 19, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

My point was more...

What do we get with AE in there that we don’t get with Cam?

by aceofsween on Dec 19, 2011 11:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Nothing. I'll even say that.

AE is harder to see, but his presence would make the D more aware there might be something afoot.

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by Tater596 on Dec 19, 2011 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Edwards is fast and more elusive, but that's not what you want at the goal line

Cam is big and breaks tackles. He’s more of a threat in the red zone than a Vick-type

by ppalm on Dec 20, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right.

But one thing about Armanti that surprised me when I saw some more of him at App was his ability to get tough yards. He’s nowhere near as adept at it as Cam, but it just kind of caught me by surprise that he would be willing to do that at 190lbs. I guess its a little safer to do against Delaware than it is against an NFL defense.

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by ERL on Dec 20, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno...

Delaware might be a small state, but it's still a state.

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by BW Smith on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Ah, yes. The Taint of Maryland—I mean, great place that Delaware. But small is the nicest adjective that comes to mind.

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by ERL on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

LMAO @ The Taint of Maryland.

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by BW Smith on Dec 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Ouch...

If Delaware is the taint… what is New Jersey?

by aceofsween on Dec 20, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Based on the shape of NJ, and the map……

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by BW Smith on Dec 20, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone knows NJ is the

capital of NY

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by MrBernz on Dec 20, 2011 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

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by BW Smith on Dec 20, 2011 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

first Panthers game yesterday

great experience – got a lot of good trash talking in lol

by vitzeng on Dec 19, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Is anybody else concerned...

That with added success we’ll see more bandwagoners crawling out of the woodwork and joining this site? And then causing a raucous when something goes wrong?

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

That's why we have a banhammer. :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely!

I’m a huge nerd! Haha!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Dec 20, 2011 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

The trusty banhammer

My fears are quelled. Thank you.

by JDeLong42 on Dec 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You'd never ban the guy who has 10 months of backed dues would you?

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by Ivan459 on Dec 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

No, of course not.

We don't start doing that until it's 12 months or more.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh thank God. Cause my birthday is in 2 months- wait what?

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by Ivan459 on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

LET THEM COME!

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

#Epic stand

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by ERL on Dec 19, 2011 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS IS CSR!

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL, That is the perfect title for Cam!

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know what you mean, but I would follow him through the gates of Avalon.

(StepBrothers reference.)

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions  

you can call me dragon son of a newton

I was gonna put this but I didn’t think anyone would know what I was on about. Well played

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by LimeyPanther on Dec 19, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Lol, thats why I included the parenthesis.

And I guess you half to call me nighthawk. :^)

Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."

by Son of a Newton on Dec 19, 2011 6:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when did calling people troll become such a big thing?

That word has been thrown around alot the past 24 hours. Save that insult for the dirty Steelers fans that deserve it. Also,

This guy takes offense being lumped in with the likes of BW

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by Swamp Panther on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM EST reply actions  

x

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I kid, I kid. Seriously though the troll word's getting thrown around way too much lately.

I’m not sure everyone knows what it means.

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by Swamp Panther on Dec 19, 2011 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

i think its a new word

That MrBernz just learned. And he’s using it in every situation when he doesn’t like something, whether or not it applies

by AG83 on Dec 19, 2011 4:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

(Not really.) :-)

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe it is on this site.

I have used it as a fishing term. Never found that to be fun either, trolling for fish.

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It’s not, I checked, lol.

Not that I care.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I would like to see it if i have ever called anyone else a troll.

maybe you can tell me where to look?

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Here’s the first time you used the word:

Smith is the leading receiver in the nfl right now, and Newton has other options to throw to like Shockey and Olsen. So he has the receivers to get the job done for sure, and I might be right about Newton being better than Rogers in the long run. Anyway no offense was intended to the Vikings, I was just talking up my team. Always nice to see the other teams fans when they arent trying to troll.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Note: you didn't call somone a troll specifically, but you said the word troll.

Above, you said:

FYI, today is the first time I have ever used the word troll.

A proposed amendment:

FYI, today is the first time I have ever directly called someone a troll.

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by BW Smith on Dec 19, 2011 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay I accept that answer

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 6:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Sound familiar?
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,2 extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response

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by MrBernz on Dec 19, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

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