Panthers Fold in 31-23 Loss to Falcons
by Jaxon on Dec 11, 2011 4:39 PM EST
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PrintAfter leading 23 - 7 at the half the Panthers completely folded in the second half as Cam Newton and the Panthers offense misfired over and over. This was a tough one to watch as Newton threw two interceptions and the offense committed numerous drive killing penalties.
After giving up a one point lead the Panthers could not capitalize. Instead the Panther secondary got caught napping and gave up a long TD to Wr Julio Jones to extend the lead to 8. That forced the Panthers to go for it on 4th down instead of kicking a potential game winning FG. Speaking of which, the Panthers had a chance to take the lead when down 24-23 but K Olindo Mare missed, hooking it left. The Mare detractors will be out in force this week and I'm starting to agree with them.
In the end though it was Newton's turnovers that put the Falcons back in it. Many other players are complicit in succumbing to the shift in momentum but the talk should center ont he 'lion' who fell apart in the 3rd quarter. I see this as all part of the kid learning how to win...tough loss today, let's hope he learns from it.
Here's my quick hits:
High Point: Newton hits TE Greg Olsen on a screen play for a 44 yard touchdown.
Low Point: Trying to extend the play and avoid a sack, Newton tries a left handed shovel pass to Jonathan Stewart that is intercepted. This essentially started the Falcons tidal wave of 24 unanswered points.
Big Plays:
- CB Captain Munnerlyn downs a punt inside the 5 yard line that leads to a safety by DE Antwan Applewhite
- RB DeAngelo Williams blasted down the sideline for a 74 yard 2nd qtr TD run
- Newton fakes a QB draw in the red zone and hits TE Shockey for a TD
- CB Darius Butler misses a tackle that allows a 75 yard TD to Julio Jones
- Falcons RB Rogers scores on a wheel route
- Cam Newton 19 for 39 for 279 yards and 2 two TDs & 2 INTs...not a bad line but the INTs were critical
- Matt Ryan 22 for 38 for 320 yards and 4 TDs
- WR Julio Jones 3 receptions for 104 yards and 2 TDs
- WR Steve Smith: 6 receptions for 125 yards
- LB James Anderson 10 tackles and .5 sacks
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I despised the decision to cut Kasay.
People told me he was old, couldn’t make long field goals. People said Mare was just as clutch and had a stronger leg, even though he was 38 and we signed him to a big deal. Plus he could kick it out the back of the endzone…after they moved the kickoff up to the 35.
Now how is that move looking now?
Yes I'm a dude.
The move to cut Kasay is looking fine.
The decision to sign Mare was always a poor one.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Who could we have gotten who would have been better?
For the amount of money we were paying Kasay.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
Me.
Kasay took up two roster spots, that’s unacceptable.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Baker could have kicked off.
With the new rules you don’t need a guy with a howitzer for a leg, our kicker at my high school could kickoff for us now.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Who could we have gotten who would have been better?
For the amount of money we were paying Kasay.
Any HS kicker.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
But could they kick field goals as well?
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
correction
English vs bastard english. :)
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 6:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no
That would english vs kicked your arse english. Must I keep correcting you?
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually the Germans beat the Germans.
Y’see Hitler split their forces – he went after the Caucasian oil AND Leningrad. He only had the men to do one or the other. As a result the Russians rallied and through sheer weight of numbers pulverised the Wehrmacht into submission.
If you don’t believe me just take a look at the casualty lists from WW2. The numbers from the Russian Front are mind boggling.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Yup. And then the Russians later embarrassed themselves by getting their ass handed to them by Finland
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
good show...
I’m not even sure that I’m talking to a real Briton here or a Paki transplant. So I’m not going to argue history that may or may not be open to debate. If you are a true Briton, I’m sure that you grandparents would not be putting forth the same arguemants though: they lived through the Blitz.
yeah what the hell are you taking about?
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'm glad...
as a combat veteran…you are not the first I’ve scared..get your history straight. Or are you a …stani that has relocated to England?
I am a combat vet as well
And a History major, Oldham and Limey seem to have their history down pretty well.
Well,
The British DID win the Battle of Britain before we were involved in the war officially. Yes we did send supplied and munitions which helped, but they fended them off pretty much by themselves.
to be fair
Canadians, cech, poles and even some indians helped. But yeah well said chatoka
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so we've established what exactly?
You’re slightly racist with a thousand yard stare? Just because you’re a vet (which I applaud) doesn’t mean you get to say your country won a war that it only helped to win. We are allies aren’t we?
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what fight?! what attacks?!
Urgh my head hurts, I’m going to bed.
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
whats a paki transplant?
is it a racist term for cross cultural organ donation?
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You know full well what it is.
If this was an English blog, CC would be on a warning right now.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I just don’t get the transplant bit
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think both sides need to back away
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I didn't say you did.
Just trying to keep the peace brother.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You just said the Russians won the war.
And yes I know the Russian losses were insane, 700,000 at Stalingrad alone.
combined with russia's scorched earth policy
And an instance on sending wave after wave of poor led, equipped and trained soldiers to their deaths without a second thought in the name of victory. That might have had something to do with it as well.
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ah the Penal Battalions.
Y’know we could learn a thing or two from the Soviets…….just sayin’.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
History is fun.
I’m quite happy to bunker down with a history book.
Makes me a lil strange at 26, but whatever.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
did my first degree in history
I’m 26 too if it makes you feel any less of a geek
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah cc he's definately english
Not errrr… A transplant
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stalin was actually very disappointed with the British/American/Canadian efforts.
It wasn’t until D-Day that the Western Allies diverted a significant portion of Nazi forces away from the Russian Front. Before that the Russians were taking the brunt of the German war machine.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
urgh
Some of those island battles were horrific. Think the japanese could give the russians a run for their money in the insanity stakes
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i didnt know americans designed the hurricains
or spitfires for that matter
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
now your just showing your lack of historical knowlegde
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh no he didn’t
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair you do a good job at killing our troops now, so yeah I can buy that.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Mores the pity
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 8:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As a former Ranger
I deplore friendly fire and do not share the views of coastal. I was in both zones and we made sure not to call fire on anything we could not identify. I spent some time at Hereford, you English guys know who is at Hereford, I got no problem, lol.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try , no try. Do or do not!"
by gdhood on Dec 12, 2011 3:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
fair play to you
If you spent time at hereford then you must be a bad ass
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by LimeyPanther on Dec 12, 2011 10:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Even you Brits can't decide what "proper" english sounds like
Yours is the english of cockney where T’s and H’s are mere suggestions OW’s are an onslaught. ;-)
Ours is the english of song. Haters gonna hate.
(Apparently) Failed humor
Just ribbing the Brits on the forum for calling American English “bastard english” when you have so many dissimilar accents in GB.
plus FGs>field position.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who is filling that extra roster spot that was left vacant?
I was ok with cutting Kasay, and I was ok with signing Mare. I’m not one of those guys to start calling for heads, but nothing would make me happier than to see Mare cut loose tomorrow.
Taking up an extra roster spot for two kickers is questionable, but not unacceptable. Missing a field goal now and then is acceptable. Missing a potential game-winning field goal is questionable. Missing multiple potential game-winners in one season is what is truly unacceptable.
I didn't like the Mare signing in the first place.
A solid NFL kicker is better than Kasay+. The extra roster spot is filled by a guy fighting to make the team.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Kasay is a solid NFL kicker.
Just look at what he’s doing for New Orleans this year.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
he's made 4 more FG's than Mare...
Kasay needed to be released.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
He's made four more FG's than Mare
So pretty much Kasay>Mare? I haven’t seen Kasay miss a clutch kick for New Orleans this year so I’d agree with that.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
To be fair...
He’s only needed to make one clutch kick for the Saints.
Being the Saints kicker is like being the Steelers’ punter… not much pressure.
Exactly.
It’s like being the Colts’ backup QB….no pressure. Wait, scratch that.
The problem isn’t that we replaced Kasay. The problem is that we replaced Kasay with Mare.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I hate spoiling my own stuff (it’s in the MMO tomorrow) but it was a huge misstep to ever use Rhys Lloyd to mask Kasay deficiencies rather than drafting a kicker to handle the kickoffs and challenge the veteran for the job.
We had two years of the writing being on the wall, but like most of the problems this team has had in the last decade nostalgia trumped common sense.
I’m not even sure Mare was a bad signing. There was literally no evidence of the kind of meltdown we’ve seen this season, but for whatever reason he’s just imploded in 2011. Art the time of the signing it was a sound decision.
by James Dator on Dec 11, 2011 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I absolutely agree.
I was in favor of the signing at the time because, like most people, I didn’t expect Mare to forget how to kick a FG from 35-40 yards.
It was Kasay’s time to go (2 years too late), and if most fans could let go of the memories and look at it from an objective point of view, I think everyone would see that reality.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Every reason I've ever given for keeping Kasay has been objective.
It was a bad move, no way around it.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
It was only a bad move because Mare melted down.
If Mare made the two clutch kicks he’s missed, everyone would be applauding the move.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
But he didn't...
you can’t ignore reality.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
You're right...he didn't.
That doesn’t mean Kasay would have made them. You can’t assume that which did not happen either.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Based on Kasay's history I can.
We’re shocked when Kasay misses a kick, with Mare these days we half expect it.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...history
Based on their histories….Mare should be expected to make those kicks too….Kasay’s history prior to this year 81.8% FGM. Mare’s history prior to this season: 81.4% FGM.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Irregardless we know Kasay is pretty much automatic.
Isn’t that what you want from your kicker? So if you have an automatic one, why do you cut him to overpay a guy only three years younger who isn’t as automatic? I don’t want to go through the stats, but Mare has had a history of bad misses. His strong leg is his biggest asset, and with the new KO rules that’s minimized in importance.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
He's not 'pretty much automatic'
He’s 18th in the NFL in FG’s made.
The glasses are way too rosey when we look at Kasay
by James Dator on Dec 11, 2011 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
What's his percentage and where is that ranked?
That’ll tell you how automatic he is, not FG’s made. The Saints tend to score TD’s instead of FG’s.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Appreciate it
Olindo Mare is 30th btw, so clearly it was a failed upgrade. And all five of his misses have been over 40 yards, so he is still automatic from close range. He’s also made six field goals from over 40 yards so the leg is still there.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad he can't kick off, otherwise he'd still be here.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
yes, it's a darn shame.
if he were here we’d be 6-7 instead of 4-9.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
You can't assume that.
You don’t know that the Falcons wouldn’t have driven down the field and scored anyway. You can’t assume that Mare’s miss is THE reason we lost today.
In the Minnesota game, you can’t assume that the Vikings wouldn’t have won in OT. You can’t assume that Mare’s miss is the reason we lost.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
We'd sure as heck at least have a better chance at that record.
vs. what we have now with Mare.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2011 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
You also can’t assume that Kasay would have made the kicks.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Think about it
we know Mare missed those kicks. We don’t know what Kasay would have done, but given his history on kicks under 40 yards I think it’s a safe assumption. Just think, how comfortable are you betting a large amount of money that John Kasay will make a 36 yard field goal, in perfect weather?
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 13, 2011 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that all things being equal, one good kicker is better than Kasay+
But, right now I’d rather see two extra W’s than a feel good story about some dude fighting to make the team and fill the extra roster spot. I didn’t disagree with trying to upgrade the kicker position in the offseason, but it is hard to argue right now that it was the right decision. I know that is some 20/20 hindsight b.s., but right now I am wishing Kasay was around to kick some clutch field goals for the Panthers.
You think we win the game today if we kick the FG? I'm not so sure.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
There is no way of knowing.
But the Panthers would have had the lead. Mare missed the field goal, and the Falcons kept the lead and the momentum. So, no, I wouldn’t guarantee that the Panthers win if he makes that field goal, but Mare absolutely should have made it.
and playing after the FG would've changed the Falcon mentality...
psychology plays a great deal in football. Greater than anyone realizes.
I think we have a much better shot.
We go up 26-24 if he makes that, and it cuts into their momentum. We get better field position on their next drive, perhaps we can hold them scoreless or to a field goal. If they do get a field goal it becomes much easier to drive for a winning field goal than a TD.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
i agree on that principle..
but with the rule change…the roster change was unecessary. Kasay was CLUTCH for many years…the SB kickoff not withstanding.
David Akers would have been an even greater
upgrade, he doesn’t much in clutch situations.
by adam carter on Dec 11, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We could have signed David Akers
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
It's not like Mare was a toxic name.
He had a solid rep and was a very reliable kicker for a while. Hindsight, yes it was probably a mistake to get him, but who knew for certain he would be this bad? Mare will probably be gone, but kicker is such a shaky position period. We got spoiled with Kasay.
I thought it was a good move at the time.
I still think it’s 50% a good move. I think getting a kicker who can kick off saves a valuable roster spot. (I don’t think Baker can do it, otherwise they wouldn’t have signed Mare in the first place.)
But now, I kinda wish we would have signed someone other than Mare.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
They could have kept Kasay and placed Hogan on IR.
Thats the extra roster spot.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
i hated it if nothing else than a sentimental thing.
how many years had I toasted a TD with the phrase,“and Kasay boots it throught.”
I understand the sentimental part...
But it’s a business, and a game…stuff happens.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And Kasay ain't doin' that much better than Mare.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
the reason for cutting Kasay is solid...
they should have just signed a different replacement
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
not really.
Kasay provided stability as a kicker, I believe most of us would agree FG’s trump the five or ten yards of field position we’d lose with a lesser KO specialists. We lost that when we started messing around with the position.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
The problem with Kasay was he was kicking it out of bounds.
And that put them on the 40. His FG’s were awesome and rarely missed. I just do not see us having 2 guys that one guy can do. And I seriously doubt you will convince BAMF to have 2 guys for one job. If you aren’t going to do your job, he will find someone who will. I think he has shown that all year.
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by Lesbian Montgomery on Dec 11, 2011 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Let Baker do kickoffs.
He’s done it in the past and I don’t remember them being that terrible.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
If he weren't "that terrible" don't you think they'd have done that?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Coaches aren't perfect.
Nanee starts over LaFell, Hardy sat behind Brayton, Mare still has a job.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:47 PM EST up reply actions
Never said they were perfect.
But if Baker were that great at kicking off, they would have at least looked into it before cutting Kasay.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Something as simple as
“Can he kick the ball through the end zone” would be correctly determined by the coach
You don't even need to kick the ball out the endzone.
with the ball moved up the coverage team has less field to travel to get to the ball carrier, you have the same offs as under the old rules which weren’t very good.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
Baker can't do his own duty now days.
Let Baker do kickoffs.
He’s done it in the past and I don’t remember them being that terrible.
Not efficiently anyway. I am so sick of 35-40 yard punts.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I think Kasay is way better than Mare.
& by way better, I mean he is better. Here are some stats to compare.
From 29 yards or closer, Kasay is 7 for 7, Mare is 6 for 6
from 30 to 39 Kasay is 10 of 10, Mare is 6-8
from 40 to 49 Kasay is 4 for 7, Mare is 7 for 8
from 50+ Kasay is 2 for 4, Mare is 0 for 2
So Kasay is 100% of all tries under 40 yards. You expect a kicker to mess up on the long ones, not the average ones.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Make that: Mare 6-9 from 30-39.
I understood why Kasay was let go, and I don’t blame anyone for making that call because it seemed like the right thing to do at the time. But honestly, when Kasay was kicking I never even worried about him missing from inside 45 yards, it was a shock when he missed. Now I am nervous when Mare lines up for an extra point. Bottom line is, Mare aint the guy for the job.
We all of the sudden find us in the precarious position of needing a punter and kicker
two of the least reliable positions.
My biggest issue
wasn’t letting Kasay go, it was how much they paid for his replacement, when they could’ve drafted a kicker with a better price tag…
His leg isn't that much better.
The Niners don’t let him try much above 50.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
We could have went with the kid from training camp.
The move to cut Kasay was the right move. We saved a roster spot by getting a guy who can kick-off and kick FG’s.
That was the plan until Mare forgot how to make a clutch FG.
Keeping Kasay wouldn’t have made the situation any better.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Oh really?
Because Seyi Ajirotutu is such a difference maker that we needed to keep a spot for him?
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
he plays on special teams...
And given the injuries we’ve had…I’d rather have a WR who plays on ST’s than a KOS.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
So Seyi Ajirotutu is worth the potentially two games Kasay could have won us?
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently he is to the coaching staff, which is really all that matters.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Your entire argument is hypothetical
Nobody knew we would have these problems. For their careers, Mare and Kasay are similarly talented kickers, Mare just has a stronger leg. Kasay could’ve missed those kicks too. He could’ve missed more. He could’ve missed less. There is no way to tell ahead of time. At the time, acquiring Mare was a good move. It’s really hard to deny that.
The difference is Kasay 81.9% - Mare 81.4%
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And I don't see why anyone would question that difference
Considering the added benefits of guaranteed touchbacks and a stronger leg
According to their history Kasay is a more reliable kicker.
So I think I’m fair in my assumption Kasay would have come through for us. The move had flaws, Mare wasn’t that much younger than Kasay, he was overpaid, and he was an arguable downgrade at kicker despite being a clear upgrade at KOS. But which is more important to a team’s success, especially iwth the rule change?
And coaching staffs make mistakes, we called out Fox on his so I don’t see why we can’t do the same with Rivera.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's more reliable by .5%
If that’s worth losing a roster spot and potentially giving up field position on kick-offs, which can change games faster than a missed FG here or there, then there’s really no point in trying to have this conversation with you.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Disagree.
Points are always worth more than potential points. Five or ten yards of field position isn’t going to mean that much over the course of a game. Leaving points off the board will.
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by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
At the time of the move, there was no reason to think signing Mare would leave points off the board.
The meltdown was totally unexpected. You can’t create revisionist history now and say that the signing was a bad idea. At the time it wasn’t a horrible decision based on Mare’s track record, and the field position/saved roster spot were pluses in his favor.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If you look back
at the time I was just as vehement against this move as I am now. For the same reasons. It’s just been worse than I could have imagined.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 13, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
How has Kasay proven to be more reliable based on history?
BW has posted in multiple times that their percentages are almost identical.
And we are faulting Rivera because it wasn’t a mistake. It’s like if we were to bash Hurney for taking Jeno James when he could have taken Tom Brady.
Why would anyone take Tom Brady over Jeno James?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well, he did win us a Super Bowl that one time.
Oh wait…..
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I am not saying it was or wasn't a bad decision when it was made.
Saving a roster spot is always a good thing when you can upgrade or remain the same. But we all now see Mare is not the guy in a clutch situation. I also did another check on their stats. They both started in 1999. And from 1999 till 2010, Kasay has missed 4 from under 50 yards. In the same time, Olindo has missed 23. Olindo has had more tries,304 to Kasay’s 247, but still that is a big difference.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I went back and counted
Kasay has missed 23 kicks from under 50 yards since 1999.
Got it from NFL.com
I may have counted all their tries from under 50 yards,
heck I don’t know what I counted now. I will do a correct count tomorrow after I sleep, unless someone else wants to do it before I get to it.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
You were right
It was for under 40 yards. But Mare has been better from over 40 which is why there numbers end up being so similar.
Kasay doesn't have a reputation for being automatic for nothing.
He comes through when it matters, Mare doesn’t. Simple as that.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 12, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Does Kasay have that reputation outside of Carolina?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Based on what he's done in New Orleans.
and the number of teams hearts he’s broken, probably yes.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 13, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
Akers has 8 50+ yard fg's this season
leads league iirc
my bad.
thought I read that somewhere about him, wish we signed him instead.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
AGREED
To think they gave up the original Panther for this???
Especially seeing what Kasay has done for Saints this year.
Add me to the list…… Olindo Mare must go!!!!!
by Outlaw Pro Mod on Dec 11, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
+100
If we are cutting Kasey, at least someone young like 23-26
by LovePanthers on Dec 11, 2011 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lay this one on Chud !!!
POOR play calling the second half on Chud. We’re ahead – - – - where is the time management ???
Jim
his 2nd half play calling was terrible
all he did was throw unsuccessful screens and run straight into 8 defenders.
Exactly, Jim
Williams gets 87 yards & a TD on 7 carries. Why does he only have 7 carries???
When you score 23 in the first half and then get shut out in the 2nd, that’s in-game coaching and a failure to counter your opponents’ adjustments.
I agree with the Williams remark
he NEEDS more carries if he is averaging 12 plus ypc…..
77 of those yards came on one carry.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
James Anderson doesn't make my key performers list because he blew the coverage for the RB's TD (Rogers?).
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I guess my biggest problem with this game is
The conservative approach starting before the half. What happened to “turning the knife”? Two more TD drives seal this game.
We have a great rookie QB who needs to mature a little bit. I hope someone sits him down in the off-season, looks at his highlights and explains how his demeanor affects not only his play but the momentum of his offense. Like it or not he’s a leader and these guys feed off of him.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've absolutely no issue with playing for the half with a big lead.
Run the ball, run down the clock, give them 70 yards to move the ball in very little time to score.
The problem is our offence continued that mentality (shutting down) throughout the second half. That’s inexcusable and reeks of a lack of professionalism.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
it wasn't the series per se...
it was the switch in mentality. They came out in the second half with the prevent mentality and it was lethal. We have to learn the killer instinct. Otherwise it will be more of the same and all the draft picks and free agents in the wolrd won’t translate to wins.
Again, that's a lack of professionalism.
If the offence has to be in GO! mode for 60 minutes for them to produce then they shouldn’t be in the NFL. Rivera played it smart at the end of the second quarter.
A professional team can crank the intensity back up in the second half. Sadly at the moment we’re not very professional.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
If Newton throws an INT before the half you guys crucify both him and the OC.
Chud called another very good game. This team needs to grow up.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I've no idea, I avoid Packers games at all costs. They bore the shit out of me.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Why would that interest me?
Their brand of football is incredibly boring. They basically abuse the Polian rule to the max AND get a ton of help from the refs every week.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
he wants us to be exciting wins
Not boring winners like the packers
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 6:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he didnt say that did he?
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I seem to be one of the few.
I HATE the direction the NFL is going.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You're not
I love the style we play, we are open enough passing to score the ball, but we run enough to retain some of our smashmouth roots we’ve had since inception. As we continue the system our players will grow in it and it will look smoother. We can be the well oiled machine that the Packers are, it’ll just take some time.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I agree entirely.
I hate the rule changes that are bringing in this pass-happy game. No physicality whatsoever.
by jojoisthemann on Dec 11, 2011 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
DBs have to play with one hand tied behind their back.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The conservative play-calling when the Panthers were firing on all cylinders
shifted the momentum. You could see it in Cam as he left the field visibly frustrated. Him and by extension the offense never got back in stride. I place some blame on Chud but probably more on the lack of maturity by our young QB.
He’s too damn good to sulk and lose his focus. Its frustrating as hell to know that he can take over a game and doesn’t.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Does anyone else struggle to watch the Patriots, Packers and Saints?
I find them incredibly boring. It honestly feels like they’re cheating.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Just all totally passing offences. Where's the fun?
by jojoisthemann on Dec 11, 2011 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. Especially when half of the guys on the field aren't allowed to compete.
The Bill Polian rules ended the careers of people like Manning jr.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Yep. I mean the guy got flagged last week for a textbook jam at the line.
The new rules allow WRs to get free releases AND prevent the DB from competing for the ball when it’s in the air. It’s just horrible to watch.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The dude is extremely strong and physical for a corner
He’s not allowed to use that to his advantage. Corners aren’t allowed to play physical. They’re basically restricted to running along side the WR and trying to get in the way without touching them. If he were allowed to jam at the line and get away with some handchecking I think he’d be much more effective.
I'll give you he is strong, but he gets beat like nobody's business.
He is very often out of position and It is obvious that teams like to pick on him and they do it quite well.
I'm very aware
I’m not saying he’s a shutdown corner. I just think if he played a decade or so ago before there was so much emphasis on touching the receivers, he’d be much more effective.
Manning jr used to take certain WRs out of the game.
I’m sure Munnerlyn could do the same under the old rules.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
That may be true
but we have to go with what we have, and what we have is a pass-friendly league. While I understand the want to protect defenseless players, there has to be a bit more leeway, especially with the ticky-tacky crap. Penalizing someone for being overly aggressive is one thing, but on a simple line jam is another
Exactly. In the good old days WRs had to be strong enough and technically sound enough to get off the jam at the line.
Even Smith could do it so it’s not a size thing – hell half the fun used to be that if the WR managed to get a free release off a jam they were WIDE open.
As you’ve correctly stated now they’re restricted to running near a WR (cos heaven forbid they touch the guy!) and not interfering with the pass unless they can get to the ball clean. I feel for every DB in the league because they’re being asked to do an impossible job.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
It is a bit like watching arena football.
Its really fun at first, but eventually you want to see some physical play and some strategy. I mean they win, and that is what everyone is going for, but it is definitely a little boring. That being said, if it were the Panthers dominating games the way those teams do, it might be a lot more interesting to me!
I suppose if I was a Saints, Packers or Patriots
fan I would enjoy it but yeah from the outside looking in I can’t bring myself to watch a whole game. The comparison to arena league ball is spot on.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that's a pretty good comparison.
Honestly I’d be bored if the Panthers played like that. I watch football for the physicality of it as well as the strategy. I also like to see some defence once in a while.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Nothing like a good stiff arm
or sack/safety. I think I made more noise for that than the three TD’s.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 6:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nothing like a bruising run either.
Honestly the more I see the Saints/Packers/Patriots play the more I want their QB to take a game ending blindside hit.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
But they're such nice guys with genuine smiles
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 6:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd honestly rather watch a so-so team like the Raiders
who play physical and run the ball than watching Mr Perfect Aaron Rodgers throw for about 700 yards in a game where you know who is going to win before kickoff. In a way I feel for James Harrison, I feel for DBs who arent even allowed to use their body to break up a pass. It’s gone too far, its become too ridiculous, the only time i see smashmouth football these days is when i play Madden myself.
by jojoisthemann on Dec 11, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yep. All they do is throw a bunch of WRs out there.
With the new rules odds are that one will be open and Rodgers, with his quick release, will find him. He has no fear of his WRs being laid out on routes or a defensive player really hitting him hard – it’s just pitch and catch.
That’s another thing btw – besides DBs not being allowed to jam receivers at the line or touch them on their routes, if they hit them too hard after they’ve caught the ball it’s a penalty. I remember when QBs were lambasted for ‘hanging WRs out to dry’. It massively increases the window QBs have to throw into when they know a WR can go high for it without fear of being crushed.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You can't jam receivers?
Did I miss a rule change? I thought contact was still perfectly legal within 5 yards of the LOS.
Watch Munnerlyn get called for defensive holding last week and get back to me.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
All power to Tim Tebow as well. At least he's entertaining to watch.
Bruising runs rather than wide-open receivers; quite refreshing to be honest.
by jojoisthemann on Dec 11, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
No I hate him with a passion.
I do like the defence the Broncos are showing though and Tebow keeps me entertained. Partly because he’s such a polarising figure and partly because there’s an inevitability about his games. I was just waiting for the Bears to lose.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I'm sorry to belabor the points, but...
our new wonder kicker was a downgrade. I said as much earlier in the season and was ridiculed. Ha Ha.
Coaching is subpar. Hopefully this is freshman mistakes that will be learned from. We always start out imaginative on offense in the first half only to go 180’ around halftime and beyond. Chud don’t need to go to a HC position…he’s not ready. Not sure if Bamf is deciding or is taking bad advice, but the buck stops with him.
Put it on Cam, but if his stride is ever broken(see coaching above), he has a difficult time in readjusting and seems very ordinary.
Mare's miss was atrocious
In one season, two for two on misses within 40yds with the game on the line equals a propensity for coming up small in clutch situations. Also, would have liked to have seen us attempt to establish the run game early in the second half instead of putting our rookie QB in position to make unnecessary mistakes. Still, all things considered, another entertaining game by an upstart team who once again took a legit NFL playoff contender to the wire but came up short
I think some lessons were learned today by both Cam and the offensive coaching staff.
I agree here.
We played terrible in the second half, yet still had a shot to pull off the win. If Mare makes that field goal our defense has some momentum, perhaps we don’t give up that TD to Jones. That said Newton has to cut out the mistakes, he’s a large part of the reason things started to snowball. The first INT should never have happened, the second he was trying to do too much and let the throw get away from him. I love his attitude, but he could stand to learn a little “live to fight another day” mentality.
In the long run, this loss will help us more than it will hurt us. We’re a young team, as we get more experience we’ll be on the other side of these games. We’ll learn how to finish, our defense will get better, and we’re going to be scary for a long time.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
You can't say the field goal miss led to a breakdown in coverage
It’s foolish to think so. Yeah, the miss sucked. But so did the turnovers, bad penalties, and breakdown in coverages. It’s a team sport, Mare didn’t give up a 16 point lead.
Do a barrel roll!
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Dec 11, 2011 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
true...but at that junction of the game...
the miss was a dagger to the heart. FB is a game of emotion and momentum…didn’t ya play?
I did
But I let hard plays an disappointing plays motivate me to play my best. Look at Denver, I hate to bring them up but they never give up and have fought through disappointing and bad plays for 7 games now
Do a barrel roll!
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Dec 11, 2011 7:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree...it could be a motivator..
it all dpends on how the leadership deals with it. Rarely do players fight through things on thier own. The sidelines make all the difference.
I guess that's true
Either way, this stuff sucks. And I’m sick of being pissy on Sundays..
Do a barrel roll!
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Dec 11, 2011 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I make my arguements totally..
aganist the players being called out exclusively…I played the game and I know that the leadership has a HUGE effect on the product on the field. Get an all-star team together with shitty coaches and see what happens…see this years Philly team…
We were swinging the momentum back our way.
The FG ended any chance of that, especially since we are such a young team that aren’t as hardened as the Falcons or Broncos.
Yes I'm a dude.
by Flowing Willow on Dec 11, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
how to make a bad day worse
Watch us play, when you’re sooo certain we’re gonna take a dump on our division rivals playoff hopes only to watch us fold like a duce before a royal flush. How fucking disappointed. Well done for another seemingly impossible second half collapse. I’m not gonna get my hopes up to the whistle is blown. Think cam needs think before he goes all ‘Lion’ on us and the team, not that I fully blame him, but he must share some responsibility
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 5:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think someone needs to tell him that this one is on him too.
The ones earlier in the season weren’t, but this one certainly was. If only so he can differentiate between the two.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
My take:
Cam threw two picks and Chud lost faith in him. We completely stopped looking down the field until the end of the game. Cam needs to do a better job shaking off his mistakes. I know he’s against the “we’ll get it next time” mentality, but he needs to move on after he messes up. He was visibly down on himself when he went back out onto the field and didn’t look confident at all passing the pall. Hopefully the veterans on this team can change that attitude because he really needs to grow out of it. And Chud shouldn’t be so quick to doubt him. I don’t think the playcalling did anything to help Cam get his mojo back.
I was a big defender of Mare after the Minnesota game, but no more. It is now a trend that he misses big kicks. That kick puts us in the lead and completely changes the flow of the game. Instead, he missed it and deflates everyone and puts even more pressure on the defense. This probably puts Mare on the hot seat. I hope Rivera’s talk gets to him because I think Mare’s in his own head now.
There’s a lot that needs to be fixed with this team from top to bottom. We look scared with the lead in the second half. We took our foot off the gas and could never get it going again. I think the decision to run out the clock at the end of the first half instead of going for another score was a huge factor in the loss. We had a chance to drive down the field and put a dagger in them to end the half and get the ball back to keep pouring it on early in the second. I think we sapped our own momentum and couldn’t turn it back on in the second half.
Everybody played a role in this loss. Not just Cam. Not just Mare. JStew dropped a lot of easy passes. Naanee stopped on a route that could have been a huge play. Our playcalling iced our own hot streak. Our defense didn’t do anything to stop the bleeding when the offense stalled. Our special teams did everything in their power to nullify any good returns by Pilares or AE. Everybody deserves a share of the blame.
I agree...
What he said in the interview about the ’we’ll get them next time’ mentality and how he hated it….its ironic that thats the mentality the great QBs need after they make bad mistakes. He has to learn to shake off the bad plays, not slump his shoulders and sulk on the bench.
The one thing he has not done well this season is lead.
Life is what you make it brothers....
I still feel ill after that second half debacle
Cam lost his groove in the second half and it was almost like he wanted to make plays with his arm instead of feet. The one glaring problem I had with the offense as a whole was the fact that they kept trying to throw to the end zone during their last possession in which they only needed five yards. It just totally floored me that they didn’t want to pick up the first down. There was plenty of time. In the end, I think the youth and inexperience of the team was their undoing but they will bounce back. I have faith they can win at least two more games.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 5:29 PM EST reply actions
Oh yeah and that Mare guy
We cant say for certain if that miss completely blew our chances, however a score would have changed the landscape of the Falcons next possession and perhaps J. Jones wouldn’t have burned our secondary. It is unexcusable to bring a guy in and pay him alot of money and he misses the clutch kicks.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
And it's not just the "clutch" kicks...
I get nervous when the guy lines up for the point after.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
He has become the AE of this year.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I do too
He’s had three kicks blocked (don’t know if that’s on him) and just seems to miss when it matters. I don’t remember which game but he even had a kick that he made that looked like a wounded duck going through. He’s just been bad for some reason.
I don't know about that
He’s kicking from 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage. Unless he’s kicking pop ups there isn’t going to be a whole lot of height differential between kicks of different trajectories. It’s not like his kicks are getting tipped, they’re getting swatted, which means it’s not like he’s kicking the ball a couple inches too low. I thought it was either on the line’s blocking, or maybe he is too slow getting the kick up.
I'm still waiting for you to explain the zone blitz concept.... ;-)
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Oversimplifying...
But basically, it’s dropping players who are typically pass rushers into coverage and blitzing with a player who is typically in coverage. First example that comes to my head – Munnerlyn’s sack on Brees.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
I have such a perfect picture in reference to OldhamA right now
from South Park. But it is likely inappropriate.
I don't know. Possibly.
Or you could find it flattering. But if you google Randy Marsh mess, it’s the fourth picture shown.
I dont worry about the PAT too much
Unless the opposing D has blocked a previous kick or if I am carrying that kicker on my fantasy football team. In Mare’s case, I’m not….
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
F the Packers and everything but
switch over to the game right quick. Less than 5 minutes to go in the half, leading 31-0 and they’re going for another TD. There is no reason to let off the gas until it’s impossible to come back. This offense couldve easily put up over 30 points today but they shut it down and then it wouldn’t restart.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 5:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Exactly.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 5:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You can turn the ball over on any drive
Can’t let that reasoning determine your play calling.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Turning the ball over on the last drive of the half (and allowing the other team to score)
is a bigger kick in the nuts than running the clock out and shutting down the O for a series.
For the millionth time, if the offence can’t crank the intensity back up after half time then they have no business being out there on a professional football field.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
the demonstration that you want to win..
as opposed to not wanting to lose is a huge declaration to not only the opposing team, but to your own
You play to win the game - Herm Edwards
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Regarding the offense not being able to crank it back up
You and I know they can’t from watching games this year. The coaches should see that too and play the game accordingly. You’re right, its on the players for having that lack of professionalism but its on the coaching staff to adjust for it if they can’t change it.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 6:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mare played pretty well today
FIFY
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by Ivan459 on Dec 11, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I see what you did there.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! (or least some really awesome Under Armour commercials)
FREE BIYOMBO! (I'm looking at you, Fuenlabrada)
I was so pissy after this game.
What a 2nd half collapse, and I love our quarterback to death, but he was the poster boy for our disappearance after halftime.
From now on, whenever Mare kicks a touchback, I will sarcastically say to myself, “and that’s why we pay him the big bucks.”
Just so frustrating. 6th blown lead in the 4th quarter this season. The Falcons removed the knife from their gut at halftime, stitched up the wound, and then stuck that same knife in our jugular. Bah. Humbug.
Kudos to Smitty for passing 10K, though. I was very happy for him.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! (or least some really awesome Under Armour commercials)
FREE BIYOMBO! (I'm looking at you, Fuenlabrada)
I coulda swore you loved him earlier in the season...
after I said early on I hated the deal. I might be wrong though…
I wouldn't say he is the primary culprit...
But has anyone else noticed that if he throws one interception it is usually downhill from there. I’m really getting tired of the mopey act after a loss, and I think its this mopey attitude crap that causes him to seemingly unravel after a mistake. We have to remember he is young, though, and hopefully he will grow out of this.
but then again...
I remember Rivera saying earlier that Cam’s ability to move on from play to play would make him an excellent corner because you have to keep on playing even after you get beat. However he hasn’t shown that in the last couple of games.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I wonder how much of that is because he's mentally fatigued. It's been a long season for him.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Good point.
This is all a lot of pressure to put on a kid. How old is he, twenty-one? I think he’ll get it figured out sooner rather than later.
From
An undefeated year starting all games and a N.C. w/ Auburn + all the controversy, to the combine and all the coverage, to the draft, to IMG, to a shortened training camp to starting QB. Yeah, Superman may be a little burnt out. The guy could use an actual off-season.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Tail of two Cams
We saw the potential of pure dominance that Cam can be and probably will be in the 1st half, and in the second we saw the rawness of a young rookie QB with several really stupid brain farts.
This loss was 95% on Cam (the other 5 % were the stupid penalties)
I'll agree he made some mistakes and showed his inexperience
but without Cam, the Panthers wouldn’t have been in a single game this year. This loss was due to team mistakes, injuries, a good Atlanta team, and OLINDO MARE!!!! RABBLE FREAKIN’ RABBLE Mare is really pissing me off!!!
Thats true
But this one was on Cam, the Falcons had no business even being close had Newton not attempted to lateral the ball as he was falling (the first int) and I don’t even know what to say about the 2nd int other than he must have thought that was one of his receivers.
He was trying to throw to LaFell but he got his release all wrong.
If you watch the replay the throw was wobbly as hell.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
ARE WE OUT OF SHAPE?
We see this story line over and over… The Panthers come out like a house afire, only to wear down in the 2nd half, and collapse late, especially on defense… I think the other teams are better conditioned…
i see it as more than physical wearing down...
the leadership makes decisions in the pattern of play
look at the Eagles...
on paper, no one could play with them…what has that gotten? JACK!
A team of nobody’s is substandard to a TEAM of nobodies who play TOGETHER! It is a TEAM game.
EVERYBODY LACKS DEPTH
Especially this time of year… Everyone now has players on the field that couldn’t even make the active roster earlier in the season… And, I have to say that these guys that they have brought up lately have generally played pretty well…
Everybody may have lack of depth but
every team isn’t starting out with all new coaches with a new play book. Most teams are using players they had on the team last year that already knew the play book they are using now.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
13 games in is starting . Thats less than 1 season.
It is still a rookie season. Most players drafted aren’t expected to do much their first year, why should an entire team be any differemt?
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Oh c'mon.
The DTs we picked up from the street/practice squad are STARTING for our team. Senn, a STs player, is also starting. These are the guys that rotate in for other teams as the game progresses. We rotate in DE’s/lesser DTs who also have other duties (like playing DE!).
It’s the reason why LSU absolutely maul teams. Teams can handle them for half an hour but once fatigue sets in players start making mental mistakes. Whereas LSU can just rotate in another stellar lineup, teams like Georgia simply can’t.
Likewise whereas teams can rotate in solid NFL DTs, we rotate in erm……Applewhite (he’s a good player, but he’s not a DT)? Shirley? It takes its toll.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Not everyone is starting UDFA's and rookies at 7-8 positions.
We especially lack depth.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
Its our amazing transformation
from the CARDIAC CATS to the GERIATRIC CATS
I pretty much blame this one on Chud and Cam
Mare is a shitty kicker but their kicker missed one too.
We should’ve choked them with our RBs in the 3rd quarter and hit steve smith in the PA pass. Chud should not have called so many screen passes. Yeah it worked well on that one olsen play….after that we got negative yardage or incompletions each time.
Cam needs to learn to get rid of the ball. His sacks could’ve been avoided if he just threw it away. And he should’ve taken the sack on the shovel pick or thrown that away too. That instant pretty much killed us. I doubt we win against the Texans or Saints.
5-11 season isn’t too bad I guess. Lets get a good player, recover our D, get a new kicker, and rethink our second half strategies.
We almost always play well against the Saints
Came close earlier this year, but we obviously haven’t learned to close games yet. The talent and ability is there, we just need the willpower to finish the game.
Although whoever Captain is covering will probably put up 150 yds and a pair of TDs
Our record in the superdome is 7-2 in the Fox era
The two losses were by a combined 12 points I think. But I don’t have any faith in our defense to slow down the Brees and Graham show.
by Atlantapanther on Dec 11, 2011 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
Ugh...
I detest Graham – because he’s so good and plays for a rival. If he were a Panther, I’d think he was the best TE since sliced bread. Well, Gronkowski would probably actually come in first, with Graham a close second.
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"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Gronkowski (I'll trust you on the spelling) is actually a better TE because he can block.
More to the point he’s an excellent blocker.
Graham is a super charged Olsen – a WR masquerading as a TE.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
It's easy to pin the blame on individual players....
and say we need more pieces….and to a certain degree it may be true. But well lead teams seem to get things done irregargless of the individual players on the field. We have MORE than enough offensive weaponsto do more than we’ve done in numerous 2nd half this year.
I haven’t posted in a while. I have chosen to spend several games silent and observant. My observations is that our coaching is brilliant in the 1st half only to become more than mediocre in the 2nd half. I hope that they can overcome these faults if our team has any hope of becoming great.
With the offensive talent we have it's a wonder we don't score every drive
I hope it is a matter of getting everyone in sync, because if not we have issues that may be difficult to fix.
I don't think the WR corps or the Oline is good enough to score on every drive.
If the Oline was more dominant then sure, but Newton makes a ton of plays off his own back. Likewise, I like LaFell, but he’s not a dominant WR at this point. He doesn’t require double coverage for a start.
Give it time though and I think we’ll score points for fun.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Yeah, I think an upgrade at O line is something that needs addressing more and more each week
I agree on LaFell, but he shouldn’t need to be dominant with our TEs, RBs and Smitty.
But like I said, I hope it is just a matter of everyone getting on the same page. I also think Cam’s development will have a lot to do with it.
Don't know why ya'll are down, I'm on a high...
I really don’t get the pity party we’re having right now. This is a developmental year, and bound to be a losing one. There are multiple peices coming together this year, with both offense and defense learning and implementing brand new schemes, trying to eradicate an old losing attitude, and playing under new coaches. Putting that all together, this wasn’t going to be a contending year. I knew from the start. All I want to see this year is progress. And today was a leap of progress!
Today’s game has me really excited for the future of the Carolina Panthers. The entire team played on a level that they’ve never played before on. Almost every player (minus Mare) was playing like I’ve never seen them play this year, at least at times. Cam was unstoppable in the 2nd Q. DeAngello was returning to old form. The O-line, with their backups and fills-ins and all, were playing tremendously. LaFell at times was a blocking monster, Naanee was playing better, and Smith was back to old form. The TEs were great as well. On the defensive side, the secondary played a lot bigger than their diminutive size. Gamble looked like Revis, Munnerlyn was studly, and Butler even had 2 sure TD breakups. LBs were excellent, and the D-line was ferocious at times. I don’t know who Jason Shirley is, but he is a keeper! Even Antwaan Applewhite played great, forcing a safety! At times, I had never seen the Panthers play like this. They are starting to rally around Cam’s winning attitude, and playing to their utmost potential. They played with the best chemistry I’ve seen all year.
Now, of course the 3rd and 4th Qs weren’t pretty. But if the Panthers can build on what they did in the first half, they’ll be unstoppable next year. The offense literally will be unstoppable, and the defense at times looks much better than their rating.
I don’t care that we lost. I’ve accepted this as a losing season. This was a win in the progress department. I saw progress in every player, from the biggest players to the less relevant and lesser known players. If we can build on the first half of this game, we can be an incredible team next year. I’m truly excited for next year! Despite the loss, great game (at times)!
by jkp1516 on Dec 11, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
There are positives to draw from this game, but the inability to finish teams off is becoming a worrying trend.
The Falcons were down on their knees at the half. We should have finished them off in the third quarter. Instead we imploded.
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by OldhamA on Dec 11, 2011 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a lesson they're clearly not learning.
i.e. they’re making the same mistake week after week. We’ve beaten ourselves this season more than we’ve been beaten.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
how long before that becomes a broken record?
I agree we’re rebuilding, but we should still be able to correct some mistakes this year
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
True, but the trend is also that teams that turn around have seasons like this
the year before they have a great season.
Rec'd.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
If the halves were switched
We’d be bouncing off the walls, even if the results were the same. The first half showed our ceiling. We just have to get it together and play on that level consistently.
Good post.
if the coaches weren't rooks...we could've been in the playoffs though...
this team has the horses if the drivers were better. Remember I said this when essentially the same team wins next year….
I don't think so because we'd have come up short after a slow start.
So everyone would be lamenting that we came out flat.
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Well if you're on a high, then hook us up
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by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
I dont' necessarily attribute it to a young coaching staff...
As much as the team is simply a whirlwind of different and novel peices coming together. Trying to implement a new philosophy, a new coaching staff, new schemes all under the old and established peices is extremely difficult to overcome. And I think we are starting to see signs of progress there…
I've got to agree with most of the sentiments regarding our kicker...
I defended Mare in his first miss. However, we let go probably one of the steadiest kickers in the league. At first, I was completely behind the philosophy that a kicker isn’t worth 2 spots on the roster. However, it’s very clear to me now why J Fox operated like that. I’d much rather have a consistent kicker like Kasay than Seyi Ajirotutu (who gets a jersey each Sunday, but never makes an impact). It’s clear to me that a consistent kicker is a highly valuable peice. I guess you neglect that when you have one of the best for so long…
a kicker isn't worth 2 roster spots...
why is it lost repeatedly that the rule was changed this year?
So using 1 roster spot on a kicker that can't make it is better than using an extra roster spotfor 1 that can make it?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Yo9u said
a kicker isn’t worth 2 roster spots…
I would rather use 2 roster spots for a kicker that can make a field goal than use 1 spot for a kicker that can’t. Get it now?
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
my apologies...
since you come late to the discussion. My position is that we should have kept Kasay since the ruke change on KO would’ve allowed him to be adequate there and MUCH better tha what we have on FG than what we have….clear?
I was replying to your comment.
I don’t know if you were being sarcastic, but it wasn’t in the sarcastic font. You said it like the very spot above where I replied to you. But I guess we are on the same page if you would rather still have Kasay.
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Well, if you look above my first reply to you,
you will see you plainly stated
a kicker isn’t worth 2 roster spots…
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
Our KR defense is pretty horrendous
We’ve given up 3-4 KR TD’s this year, therefore it’s necessary to get touchbacks. Kasay hasn’t kicked off for years, he just doesn’t have the leg any more. Apparently Baker doesn’t either, or else we probably wouldn’t have signed Mare.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
One thing that REALLY pissed me off:
Abraham jumps offsides on the ATL 31. The Panthers get 1st and 5 from the ATL 26. We take a deep shot at Legadu, JStew drops a screen, we take another shot at LaFell (I believe), and then ANOTHER shot a Legadu deep.
Through this series of ridiculous Jeff Davidson, we still had 2 timeouts to burn. Why were we taking shots when we had 4 plays to go 5 yards? Regardless of the penalties, injuries, missed tackles, and a missed field goal, we still had a chance to win. It’s frustrating.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 11, 2011 6:57 PM EST reply actions
an honorable mention is our subs L Tackle...
who did a pretty good job for the most part on Abe…3 cheers for Wharton!
lol
He played well, especially for a guy that has played Guard his entire NFL career.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 11, 2011 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed. Bad series. And then Mare walked out on the field and took a squirt.
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by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 7:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
While Newton bears the brunt of blame for his turn overs
he is a rookie. He is still learning receivers quirks and receivers are learning his. They all have new coaches and are learning all new plays from a new play book. Now that I said that, I move on to Mare. Mare is the 1 player that doesn’t have to learn any play book. He doesn’t have to depend on anyone else catching or throwing the ball. All he has to depend on is the holder getting the ball down and his job is simple. Kick it. No matter if it’s a rookie holder or a vet, if the ball is in place right, there isnt anything that should prevent him from doing his job. If Mare had made his first field goal, the team would have had the confidence to let him try it again, instead of going for it on the fourth down, if it came to that point again. I blame this loss on Mare.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
I don't think it starts to pale.
They are still a rookie team this year. Even if they are doing better than expected, they are still learning. First year and no off season to work together.
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to be that close so many times...
they are not living up to potential. Yall give em a pass, I don’t.
I'm not going to blame the loss on Mare, but I see where you're coming from...
It’s frustrating that you can’t depend on a kicker after a youong offense drives the ball 60-70 yards down field. But, at the end of the day, the Atlanta Falcons scored 31 points against the Carolina Panthers. You can’t put that on Mare.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Dec 11, 2011 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
Who's to say that ATL and Matt Ryan don't burn us for another TD and take the lead right back?
Compared to how we’ve seen him play this year, Cam played pretty bad. He had a 48% Completion rate, with more incompletions than completions.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I don't care about progress. I don't care about coaching philosophies. I don't care about any of that right now.
This is what I saw out of Cam this game. I saw a QB get rattled and implode at the worst possible time when his team needed him the most. I saw a team that followed after his example to the tea, a defense that suddenly seemed convinced that their goal in life was to be run over by Turner or left in the dust by Julio Jones. I saw an offensive line that struggled and toiled to keep Cam Newton upright, but he failed to see wide open receivers and kept throwing the ball to the other team. He is the most to blame for our offensive success, just as he is most to blame for our loss.
On special teams…I saw a kicker, whose only job in life consists of taking a ball and kicking it between a pair of poles, fail so utterly in that small measure. That sucked more than anything else.
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Are you fucking kidding me....Denver's kicker just made a 59 yarder to tie
Panther Pride 'till I die.
The Father. The Son. And the Holy Ghost.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Tebow made the wind blow.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
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Yeah I saw
If it weren’t for Tebow pushing Barber out of bounds so Denver could get the ball back, this game would be over.
I'm starting to believe that Jesus is on Tebow's side.
The whole drive began when Marion Barber made the stupid mistake of going out of bounds instead of staying in bound where the Bears could have ran down the clock. It’s just too many of these type of “coincidental circumstances” that have happened.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Fox did not cause that fumble or Barber to get out of bounds.
I know people say that he’s gotten lucky and the defense is playing well but this has happened repeatedly. I don’t know if it’s magical, religion-related, or whatever. I am thoroughly enjoying this.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Exactly my point.
It’s insane and I have no explanation for it. It amuses me.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I am going
back to Church because of Tebow
Y'know he ALMOST forgot to thank the lord on his TD throw, right?
It was definitely an afterthought.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
The first sign of his conversion to Tebowism, as the new Religion.
And yea, verily, Thou hast been anointed as the New Chosen One, and shall hereafter give Thanks only to Thyself, and shall expect all others to do likewise.
Gradually we shall see fewer acknowledgements to the Heavens, and the celebrations will be altered to an extension of the Right Hand, to be kissed with reverence by all those who wish an interview.
So it is written, asd so it shall be.
Weird stuff like that happened to our benefit too when he was here. It was Fox.
by SlayerGhaleon on Dec 12, 2011 5:09 AM EST up reply actions
The Bears basically gave him the TD, playing really soft D.
Then Barber runs out of bounds to stop the clock. enabling Denver to get the ball back – then yeah Tebow got them into FG range.
It’s hilarious, I hope he wins again.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
When are teams going to learn to not play prevent against Tebow.
It isn’t a coincidence that he’s terrible for 3 quarters, then plays great in the fourth quarter. At the end of the game teams start playing soft prevent defense and he gets receivers who are wide open like they were for him in college. Solution? Just keep playing the same defense you played the rest of the game and make Tebow beat the coverage. My money says he won’t be able to.
They've only rushed 4 all game so it's not that.
He’s just clutch as hell.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You missed my point.
I’m not talking about the pass rush at all. In the last two Bronco’s drives in regulation, Chicagos DBs were playing 10-15 yards off the receivers to prevent the big play. This allowed Tebow to find wide open receivers around the first down marker play after play. It has nothing to do with how much time he had, and everything to do with essentially giving him the underneath routes to prevent the big play.
No DB can cover a WR forever.
If there’s no pass rush then Tebow is going to find a guy open eventually.
The throws he was missing all game he started to make in the 4th quarter. He’s very much like Delhomme in that sense – a light just switches on with him when it’s crunch time.
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The game is 0-10 with 2:49 to go left in the game. Now it's 10-10 and going into OT
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A 59 yard field goal tied the game.
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Tough game to be at, but I want to add someone to the somewhat optimistic.
Brandon Lafell. I recorded the game and his blocking was key on the olsen TD and somewhat on the D Will TD. Also last game I went to was the Vikings game where Mare missed his last. Its starting to wear on me.
#PanthersMafia
by JohnnyMac080 on Dec 11, 2011 7:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It was key on the Williams TD too, he took his man out of the play - a defender that was in position to tackle Williams.
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Analysts (and Rivera) like to point out that Naanee does a lot of dirty work...
But so does LaFell. He had some excellent blocks. If only Cam’s accuracy hadn’t been all over the freaking place, LaFell could have had another good day of receiving, too.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Such as the play that couldn't be reviewed because the replay equipment malfunctioned?
Complete BS. If I were Jackson, I would have gone apeshit and would have gladly taken a fine for it.
Yep. I'm a female who religiously follows a football blog.
"When you get into coaching, you strive to be a Super Bowl-winning head coach. That’s what my goal is, to come here and become a Super Bowl-winning head coach and to sustain an atmosphere of winning." - Ron Rivera
Yep, it happens too often for me to think it's merely a coincidence.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I was extremely annoyed watching that game, and lost some respect for the Packers and Rodgers
It was 31-0 and the Packers were on the goal-line, and Rodger proceeds to game the tuck rule to avoid a sack. The refs miss the call and the ball is picked up by the raiders and run back to the 50. I have no problem with a challenge, but thought it was classless of Rodgers to not accept a helping hand up by the defender who sacked him. You’re up 31-0, running up the score with passing plays in the first half, and you can’t even accept good sportsmanship? Pathetic.
Prater or whatever his name from the broncos
is more clutch than mare. Kicking a 58 yard field goal, which is much tougher than a 36 yarder. The coaches 2nd half adjustments fucking sucks, so many 3 and outs mostly throughout the 3rd quarter.
by adam carter on Dec 11, 2011 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not sure why everyone is flipping out
There was a stat line before this game that totally explained our season and shed positive light. In the first 10 games we were 2-8 & our (most important) averages per game were almost 2 turnovers and around 8 or 9 penalties per game.
In the first half we didn’t have any turnovers, very few penalties & to put icing on the cake our DT’s were playing well(ish) and our corners were phenomenal in coverage.
In the second half we had two turnovers, lots of penalties and our defense just couldn’t keep up with a high powered Atlanta offense.
It sucks that we lost but there were multiple contributing factors and the bottom line is that as our players & coaches get more experience and learn to play to their strengths (and not hinder themselves) the W’s will come. Lots of learning to be done but there are definitely some bright spots to take out of this.
"One step at a time"
10 yard completion. Tebow be praised
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After 2 yard sack, another 16 yard completion. Tebow be praised. It's getting close now!
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Why isn't charles t on Thomas? Are the bears
that stupid? Tim J sucks as a cb. Smh at Marion b, hold on to the damn ball.
by adam carter on Dec 11, 2011 7:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
3rd and 4 at their 34 yard lines. This is a big down. Broncos call time-out!
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1 yard gain by Tebow! It'll set up a 51 yard field goal!
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
Tebow be praised! Broncos win!
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Clemson 2011 ACC Champions! Look forward to doing it again next year! :D
In God we trust!
Broncos win superbowl.
by LovePanthers on Dec 11, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
great.
I just can’t wait to get to Wyoming for Christmas to listen to my Bronco’s-loving father-in-law sing the praises of Tebow!
Might I recommend an asinine amount of liqour?
You just might need it to get through that ordeal
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
The Broncos were shit for 58 minutes, they lost a couple of starters, the receivers were dropping passes(during the first 58 minutes) but yet they win at the end.
Marion Barber goes out of bounds and gives the Broncos a chance. Tebow completes 70% of his passes towards the end, receivers are making difficult catches, the kicker makes a 59 yard field goal, and just when the announcer says that the “last thing the Bears could do is turnover the ball”, Marion Barber fumbles the ball. Then Prater makes the 51 yarder with ease. Wow, it’s unorhodox and unexplicable but I’m enjoying it.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
I think my favorite part of this all is the following: You can't explain it.
ACC Championship Member Brandon Thompson is the new Jacoby Ford. You better pick him Panthers or you will be doomed to relive the 2010 season over and over again in the Twilight Zone.
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Not without seriously considering that God exists, no.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I wish we had the broncos kicker, he doesn't choke
like mare does.
by adam carter on Dec 11, 2011 7:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'd like to see Baker totally "Lucy" Mare next time.
Mare’s probably going to miss it anyway. Pull the ball away at the last second, let Mare fall on his tail, we all get a laugh. It is a win-lose, which is better than the typical lose-lose situation that Mare provides us with.
by cj5 on Dec 11, 2011 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I was at the game today
The hate towards Mare was the worst since Delhomme and the ‘08 playoff game. It’s in his head now. And frankly, I don’t want him here.
"What do want to say to those critics now?"
"Just sit back and watch the show." -Cam Newton
How about this?
We fire Mare and have Cam handle the kicking duties. Then the Tebow love fest will die down…until he starts kicking as well
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Dec 11, 2011 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Brandon Hogan
is he gonna play this year
i was thinking why activate him to the roster if he isnt gonna play
So he can practice and learn the system.
If they didn’t activate him he has to sit on the sidelines both during practice and during the games. This way he gets to take the field (as well as the classroom), which is a much better way for him to learn his assignments.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
"The Mile High Messiah".
I like it.
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by OldhamA on Dec 11, 2011 7:55 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There we go.
Time to go back to Church!
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I have two awesome pictures, but I won't share them 'cos BW will end me.
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Lol! You could always post them on the Broncos blog. They're probably eating this stuff up by now.
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Tell ya what...
you dumb asses can keep this blog. If this is any indication of what posts here, I might as well talk to a bunch of Kindergarteners…as a 50 yr old man, I don’t like conversing with people that I can’t punch in the dam nose when they want to be a friggin asshole. That’s the problem with the world right now….you can be an ass with no consequenses.
#itworksbothways
What we do is what we do.
by WilkesViking on Dec 11, 2011 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
"You can be an ass with no consequences"
Case in point – your post. If you’re 50 years old then it’s way past time for you to grow up and not have internet temper tantrums. Run along to bed cranky pants.
You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'. -Homer Simpson
by Swamp Panther on Dec 11, 2011 11:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As a 50yr old man
you shouldn’t need to punch someone in the nose to win an argument. Pretty sure most people try to teach their kids that one early on.
Anger issues, much?
by rassling on Dec 12, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is humorous coming from someone who's username is "rassling". :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I really like Decker and if Thomas ever learns to catch he'll be dangerous too.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Okay, I just looked it up the fastest way I could find, which was Wikipedia (and it seems valid)
The Panthers are tied for the 2nd most players on IR this year behind the Jagulars who have twenty. The teams we are tied with are the Bills, Colts, Giants, and the Rams. Of those 4, the Rams and Colts are the two worst teams in the league. The other two, the Bills and Giants, have a collective 10 consecutive losses.
I know you shouldn’t use injuries as an excuse. But I thought this might put a bit of a new perspective on what this team has to overcome to be successful this year.
by JDeLong42 on Dec 11, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Tough Game to lose for the Panther fans..
How about these REMEDIES:
(1) First, Your kicker is very GOOD and consistent at MISSING field goals at game winning moments…If he had made the kick, you are up by two points and you get your momentum back. You need a REAL kicker that can actually kick when the game is on the line.
(2) Chud the OC needs to improve his ADJUSTMENTS….. Studying him carefully, he’s very creative designing plays ahead of games but NOT very good ADJUSTING his plays after second half…..
DC are outsmarting him after halftime…
For instance at 4th Quarter…
You are on a critical 4 down territory …with couple of timeouts
You need 5 yards to move the chain….
First attempt: Deep pass,
Second attempt… Deep pass….
Third attempt you guess right Deep passes….No Triple option, No Run, No trick plays I assure you, Atlanta DC easily guessed it
You could argue that Smith was open towards the end but Yes, it was ALSO obvious your QB needed some relief, He was under HEAVY duress… because Atlanta KNEW it’s a DEEP pass All the way….BAD play calling during Clutch time….
(3) Cam…..You need to call your fellow Gator mates Tebow up and ask him how to create your own Cam time… Boy….when the game is on the line that is when the Superman should show up….I want to see the superman shirt at 4th quarter for the win…..
I hear you talk a lot about MJ. Michael Jordan is known to be a CLUTCH player. In his book, he writes how he trusts his instinct a lot during clutch time …. You need to develop your instinct , heart and WILL to WIN and ALWAYS go with it during clutch time that is what will SEPARATE you….
During Clutch time, Even if your OC calls a play, you should first trust your INSTINCT
Borrow a page from Tebow 4th Quarter Winning Bag of tricks Page and WILL your team to WIN
(4) Panthers defense played very well first half but kind of ran out of gas second half.…. I think your gap issues are under control. I love your current lineup better than the one with Fua with LOTS of HOLES
Panthers should be fine against Houston next week
Good luck…
That's a lot of solid analysis.
Thank you, you have solved all of our problems.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
oh yay fb expert id back
how I've missed your condescending analysis
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Dec 12, 2011 8:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just got back from the game, what a disappointment.
I’m going to blame about 75% of this loss on Cam. Not Chud, not Mare, not the defense, Cam. Cam had a very bad day at the office today. His accuracy was horrendous and he finished with more incompletions than completions. He tried to force the ball in some situations and it resulted in turnovers or a punt. A lot of times it also looked like Cam wasn’t making all of his reads; leaving single covered WR’s or an WR open at the most opportune times.
Cam Newton, when a reporter asks him who will win the Heisman Trophy on Saturday: "I'll tell you Sunday."
by Son of a Newton on Dec 11, 2011 8:27 PM EST reply actions
Anyone see Cam's postgame yet?
It got testy. The kid really needs to work on his composure. I am beginning to see this as the measuring stick of how RR will be judged. Coach this kid up, off the field as well as on it. He’s obviously an immense talent, but controlling his emotions is going to be very key to his success.
Well he refused to answer a question about the ESPN interview.
But it’s more his body language and glares than anything. If looks could kill…
You can see that he is SAYING much of the right things, but his looks and body language tall another story. It’s very obvious he is uncomfortable talking to the media after a loss.
What do you want him to do?
He’s a rookie QB that pretty much knows that he lost the game for the team and on top of that he has to stand there and explain how he lost the game. Plus his attitude towards winning has some impact on his after-reactions of the game.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Trust me I know.
I am not in any way abandoning Cam. I am 100% in his corner. But he really needs to be more composed. His mistakes in game are following him around and he is not seemingly able to let them go. He still needs coaching up, and he needs to take the mistakes he makes and LEARN from them, don’t let them get to him. His errors seem to get into his head and he dwells on them.
No one likes to lose, I think he may be doing himself and his teammates a disservice if he thinks they are cool with losing. I guarantee they are not. But they are not all as athletically gifted as he is.
As his career progresses hopefully he will get better at dealing with these things.
Oh, and then a reporter wants to ask questions about an interview that had nothing to do with game...
when there’s far more important things to deal with.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Like I said
It’s more his body language, he looks like he is about to jump across the podium and hit someone. If you want to be the face of a franchise, you have to control your body language more.
He has very little experience of losing.
It’s difficult to know how to react.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I understand
that’s why I say RR needs to coach him up. This is the NFL, you’re going to have rough times.
RR should not just focus on CAM....
First he needs to find a REAL kicker……I was watching how Denver Kicker made a CLUTCH 59yards to Tie it and 51 to Win it….
The idea that Cam has to be Mistake free for Panthers to Win games is just ridiculous. His defense is playing better now, it’s now time for the ST and the Kicker to show up…
The Kicker KILLS Momentum….
I am not saying he needs to be mistake free
And yes we do need a new kicker, I just made a Fanpost on my feelings about that.
But Cam is not perfect, and he still needs a LOT of coaching yet. And that is RR’s job, to coach his players. As many great plays as he made today, he made as many mistakes that were more the cause of the loss than the missed FG.
This is what happened.
I am not going to put all the blame on one person, because it was a collection of things that lost us this game. I can however tell you where it started, and who with. It started with the OC Chud. At the end of the first half, we had the ball with a minute to go and all of the momentum on our side. Instead we ran the ball 3 times and it killed our momentum going into the locker room. Chud needs to realize that this is a young team and a shift in momentum will kill young teams. We needed to try to get at least 3 points on that drive, and then we would have gotten the ball again at the beginning on the second half. There are those that can say, the Falcons came out of the 2nd half with a new plan, but this is crap. Coaches have to adjust throughout the game, not just a first half plan and a second half plan. Chud’s conservative play calling at the end of the half would have been perfect for a veteran team, unfortunately we are not one.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Dec 11, 2011 9:10 PM EST reply actions
Why do we always have to assign blame to ONE sole person?
I strongly dislike the American culture of blaming. In America today, it’s always someONE’s fault. We always try to assign the blame to one person. A scapegoat to put on the noose. Just like in Batman, we HAVE to find ONE person to blame. It’s never a collection of mistakes or lack of execution, but ONE person’s exclusive fault.
Did Chud make mistakes? Sure. But the entire team made mistakes. Cam made mistakes, Naanee made mistakes, Anderson made mistakes, and Mare made mistakes of the same weight. It is no one in particulars fault. It is a collective grouping of mistakes, as it always is. Same with American politics, same with businesses…collective mistakes. Let’s not hang Chud for things he can’t control, like Mare’s missed FG, or Cam’s shovel pass to the Falcon, or Anderson’s missed read on the Jacquizz Rodgers TD. The entire team made mistakes, from top to bottom, not simply Chud.
As soon as we can rectify and lessen our mistake making...
We’ll improve and be in the W column once again.
Wow you didn't read my first sentence.
I didn’t say it was all Chud, but he is the one that started the downward spiral. Trying to play it conservative with a young team that had momentum will kill you.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Dec 11, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I did read your first sentence, but I found the rest hypocritical
And it wasn’t just a response to you, but to all those who are trying to express blame on one single factor.
It’s actually not hypocritical at all. If I said that Chud was the reason we lost the game after I said it wasn’t one person then that is hypocritical. I simply stated where I thought it started, and why. I personally love Chud, and what he has done to this offense. I think you are over analyzing it a bit.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Dec 11, 2011 9:49 PM EST reply actions
I know what you are saying and I know what you said.
You said that: although you don’t want to blame 1 person, Chud screwed us. And I’m saying that’s hypocritical. You can’t call one person out, and say you don’t want to blame just one person. Chud isn’t the one who screwed us. The entire team screwed us. Equally.
You're putting words into my mouth.
You definitely see what you want to see, and that is fine, but it is not what I said. I wasn’t blaming one person as I said in my first sentence. It doesn’t matter though, you are just looking for an argument, because of your frustrations with the team. I’m not gonna respond to you anymore.
With a name like Lesbian I have to be awesome!
by Lesbian Montgomery on Dec 12, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm incredibly late on this
But great game, Panthers fans. I thought you were going to kill us based on the first half, and you hung in until the end. Nervous about your team in the years ahead, for sure.
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When all else is equal .........
……………… it is always the kickers fault. Lots of mistakes were made but the reason the kicker exists is to blame losses on. If your only job is to kick the ball and you only have to kick it 36 yards in perfect weather your team, fans, etc are correct to expect 3 points on the scoreboard.
The kicker exists to kick. Just sayin.
The offense is also expected to score more than 0 points in a half. The defense is expected to not give up 24 points in a half. The coaching staff is expected to put their players in the best position to win. Everybody did their part in losing this game. I hate that we have to find one sole person to place the blame on.
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