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Where Does Cam Newton Stand After his First 8 Games?

We as Panthers fans have been treated to a truly amazing show through the last 8 weeks in rookie QB Cam Newton. He's put up numbers you'd be proud of in a game of Madden time and again. No, he hasn't been perfect by any stretch but he's been far better predicted. In fact he's on track to go down as the best rookie QB of all time and that's just the beginning. After the jump we're going to look at both some recent rookie seasons of note as well as some all time greats to see just where our young phenom stands through 8 weeks.

The first QB I want to look at is Dan Marino. Marino fell all the way to the Dolphins, the defending AFC Champions, with the 27th pick of the 1983 draft. He ascended to the top spot in week 6 in an overtime loss to the Buffalo Bills while posting a then rookie record 96.0 passer rating. In his first 2 games Marino was 36 of 59 (61%) for 547 yards, 6 td's and just 2 int. For the season he was 173-296 (58.4%) for 2210 yards, 20 td's and 6 int. It was evident from very early just what kind of player Marino was to become. But his true effect can be better seen in the change in philosophy the previously run first Dolphins experienced when he became the starter, throwing 25 or more times in 7 of his 9 starts. He would also become the first rookie QB to ever start in the Pro Bowl.

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Next up is the number 1 over all pick from that same 1983 NFL draft, John Elway. Elway's career got of to an interesting start when he threatened to play baseball if he wasn't traded by the team that drafted him the then Baltimore Colts. He was eventually traded to the Broncos for a QB, OL, and a 1st rd pick in the 1984 draft. And people said Cam had character issues... The highly tauted Elway didn't have the kind of start his classmate did, going just 10 for 29 in his first 2 NFL games for 120 yds 0 td and 1 int. His first 8 games saw him go 87-157 for 891 4 td's and 9 int. All totaled he appeared in 11 games his rookie year amassing 1663 yards, 7 td's and 14 ints while completing 47.4% of his passes.

The 2006 draft saw an athletic and talented young man named Vince Young drafted with the 3rd overall pick by the Titans. Young himself, a controversial pick after talk of an awkward throwing motion followed by a disastrous wonderlic leak that may or may not have been the true score. He became the starter following the week three bye going 24-50 for 218 yards, 1 td and 3 int in his first two starts. He also managed 9 carries for 46  yards and a td. Through his first 8 games young was 105-208 1190 yards, 7 td"s, 7 int and rushing for 264 yards and 4 td's on 50 carries. He finished the year 185-357 for 2199 yards 12 td's, 13 int. He also ran the ball 83 times for 552 yards and a then record 7 td's. ( A number Cam has already reached in just 8 games.) He was also selected to the Pro Bowl in his rookie season.

Our neighbors to the south drafted Matt Ryan with the 3rd overall pick in the 2008 draft. Ryan the fresh faced, squeeky clean prospect from Boston College was named the started over incumbent Chris Redman in advance of the 2nd pre season game. In his frist two NFL starts  he completed 47.8 % of his passes going 22-46 for 319 yards, 1 td and 2 int, that one touchdown came on just his first pro pass going 62 yards to Michael Jenkins.  After 8 games Ryan had tallied  8 games he was 133 for 227 58.5 % 1661 yards 5 int 9 td's as well as 5 wins. On the season Ryan started all 16 games as well as a wild card loss to the Cardinals finishing 265-434 for 3440 yards, 16 td's and 11 int's. Ryan threw for 300 yards just 2 times but did have a stretch of 9 games in a row where he threw for more than 200 and became just the second rookie QB to throw for more than 3000 yards along with Peyton Manning. He was also named AP Rookie of the Year.

A few years before Ryan, a big, strong athletic guy from Miami of Ohio was drafted with the 11th pick of the 2004 draft. Ben Roethlisberger took over for an ineffective Tommy Maddox after half time of the week 2 game against the Ravens and became the full time starter  the following week helping the team win 14 straight until finally running into the Pats in the AFC title game. In Bens first two starts he was 24-44 for 339 yard 3 td's and 3 int. He finished the halfway mark having completed 117 of 171 passes for 1450 yards 11 td's and 6 int and an amazing 68.4% completion rate. On the year he started 14 games appearing in 15 throwing 196- 295 for 2621 yards 17 td's and 11 ints. On the year he also rushed for 144 yards and 1 td on 56 carries.

Next up is the man who's record Cam Newton will likely be chasing for most of the year. Now Peyton Manning didn't make a playoff run like the last two QB's, no he was just 3-13 that season. The first pick in the 1999 draft had a decidedly more uphill fight on a team who's defense was giving up a whopping 27 points a game. In his first two games he completed 60.3% of his passes for 507 yards, 5 td's and 4 int. After 8 games Manning had thrown 278 times, completing 166 for 2282 yards, 15 td's and 9 int. After starting all 16 games of his rookie season, going 331-533 for 4135 yards (record), 26 td's (record) and 28 int. (record) Peyton threw for more than 400 yards once and more than 300 two times that same season.

Last but certainly not least we have our very own Super Rookie, The first overall pick of the 2011 NFL Draft Cam Newton. This young man was wildly polarizing and was criticized for everything from his past mistakes to his smile. He had survived being dismissed from Florida, transferring to Junior College and then to Auburn. He endured an NCAA investigation into his father for a potential pay for play scam. Yet all he did was find a way to focus and win not one but two national championships at two different levels.

Add to that the Heisman Trophy and the half dozen or so other awards and you have the makings of the ultimate Boom or Bust prospect. He was the kind of pick that could quite literally set a franchise back 5 years or make them legitimate contenders for the next decade. After doing their due diligence Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney made the decision to draft Newton with the first overall pick, and I doubt they've looked back. After being named the starter for the teams 3rd preseason game and having a rough outing his biggest concerns were not about how he looked or played, but that he had let his team, coaches and fans down.

Starting the final preseason game, he had his most productive work though for just one drive against the Steelers finishing the drive with a td pass. His first two regular season starts were truly something to see, throwing for 422 and 432 yards respectively with 3 td's and 4 int's along with 18 carries for 71 yards and 2 td's. Now sitting at the halfway mark he's totalled 174-287 (60.6%) for 2393 yards, 11 td's and 9 int while rushing 63 times for 319 yards and 7 td's (tied for record).

If he continues on this pace he will most certainly be considered the Best Rookie QB of all time, and will finish 348-574 for 4786(record) 22 td's, 18 int, 126 rus for 638 and 14 td's.(record) One thing's for sure, it's no longer can he be an NFL QB. No, the only question left is how good can he be?

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by PughDaddy73 on Nov 8, 2011 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

Cam will redefine the QB position before he's done

This kid is like Marino and Elway in that he will be the golden standard for generations to come if he keeps his progress up. His potential is truly limitless in the confines of the football world. I’m sure he still has some growing to do, and I’m sure he will have some headscratchers her and there, but there has never been a prospect like Cam Newton in the NFL. He is for real a one-of-a-kind once in a generation player.

For those wondering how good Andrew Luck will be, I honestly can’t see how he could come in and play better than Cam has. I will be very interested to see the comparisons.

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Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
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by Tarheel Soldier on Nov 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

When I got into the research

I was comforted to see the similarities between Cam’s rookie year and Some of the others. His year has really been a blend of Marino’s, Young, and Manning. With Young it was the critics, with Marino it’s all about the poise and the confidence the coaching staff has to put it in his hands, and Manning played on a team with a bad defense causing his record to suffer.

"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson

by Kris Mynatt on Nov 8, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

It would be interesting to see percentage at half season for the others

I think most rookie QBs that will succeed improve dramatically during their first year. You noted Elway only had 120 yards in his first two games but ended the year with over 1600 in 11 games.

Cam has set the bar pretty high; just staying on pace and doubling his numbers will get him the records. But what if he is even better?

by CarvedTones on Nov 8, 2011 1:18 PM EST reply actions  

It's in there for all of them.
His first 8 games saw him go 87-157 for 891 4 td’s and 9 in

"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson

by Kris Mynatt on Nov 8, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I am too terse...

I shouldn’t have just said percentage. I guess the info is there to do the analysis and I am just too busy and/or lazy. Is there anything to the old truism that rookies improve markedly through the year? A quick look at the numbers says maybe not, or at least not for these fast starters. It looks like most have a rough couple of games and then catch on

by CarvedTones on Nov 9, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree, in all likelyhood he WILL get better.

More consistent certainly. I think the 26 passing td rookie record is well within reach, and the record for most rushing td’s by a QB (12) is nearly a given. The QB record for rushing yards (1039) is a little far out though…

"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson

by Kris Mynatt on Nov 8, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Tebow said he gonna break that.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

And that means what?

He'll be the first QB to get more

rushing TDs than passing TDs?

by NX75649 on Nov 9, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. It's possible.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My bad,

Yahoo screwed me on that one lol. NFL.COM agrees with you

"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson

by Kris Mynatt on Nov 8, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow

Peyton Manning threw 19 INT’s the last 8 games of his rookie season. Hopefully nothing like that happens to Cam.

"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad

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-Frank Tyger

by KaiserBromley on Nov 8, 2011 7:34 PM EST reply actions  

Peyton just started slinging it.

But even when he was throwing those picks, you still had the confidence that he’d turn into a great player. It’s the same kind of confidence I once had in Jay Cutler through his interception tantrums, but I’ve learned now that that’s just who he is.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

It's awesome to think we might be witnessing one of the best QB's in history get his feet wet.

Cam truly has the potential to become a GOAT, but the question is whether or not he will reach it. For every QB that was analyzed in this article, at least a 10 had similar rookie seasons and went on to be busts.

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 8, 2011 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

That was gonna be my response.

Yall already know how I feel about Cam. G.O.A.T. barring injury. Nothing can stand in his way.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

And he's ours!

It makes me giddy everytime I think about it. SuperBowl parties in Charlotte!!! I’m getting ahead of myself, but with Cam, I feel I can. Never felt that sure about any player in the NFL before.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. Super Giddy!

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 9, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

What Really Amazes Me...

….is how well he is doing and how his productivity stands against some of the games great rookie seasons is the fact he did/does all this without any real type of an off season. I for one, believe in how important an off season is and I’m still blown away the guy the pundits said couldn’t do it, is not only doing it but doing it with grace and awe-inspiring skill. I believe that we’re going to see a much bigger improvement between this season and next just due to the fact that he seems to absorb what he is taught and he’ll have entire off season to get better.

by Onyxsphere on Nov 9, 2011 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

I was watching ESPN's 30 for 30 last night

When Cam was at Auburn, he was described as being as tall as Auburn standout Charles Barkley with the speed of Bo Jackson. Cam left his mark at his alma mater but unlike the college greats before him, Cam wants to redefine the QB position in the NFL. The one thing I really love about him is his desire to win and do everything to help the Panthers become contenders. He is more concerned about getting the W versus improving his personal stats. He has been the difference maker in a once stagnant offense and resurrected the career of our best WR. Good things are coming to Carolina….I just know it.

You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.

by Disciple of Carolina on Nov 9, 2011 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

It is very ironic that Cam's success might be a result of the lockout

Just think about it. If the lockout had not occurred, Cam Newton would have been on the practice field more, but he would have been sharing the position with two other QBs, JC and BA. The tutelage he would have gotten from Mike Shula might have been awesome, but Shula’s time would have been divided among the 3 QBs.

Because of the lockout, Cam Newton was forced to develop and learn the Panthers’ playbook from Chris Wenkie at IMG in Orlando. I firmly believe he got more one-on-one training on his fundamentals and progressions in that venue than he would have ever gotten at the Panthers’ OTAs. Most experts believe that Cam’s progress is remarkable given the lack of an off season program with the Panthers, but I think he developed at a much higher rate because of it.

I just wonder if Newton will continue the trip to Orlando every year to continue his NFL porogression…

Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)

by Tarheel Soldier on Nov 9, 2011 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

I don't think the lock out helped him at all.

Newton took it on himself to go to that IMG place and train. If there was no lock out, he would have taken it upon himself to ask the coach what he needed to ask. Plus with the off season if they had it, he would have got to work with the rest of the team and they would have all been learning the play book not just Newton. And as for sharing the coach, I believe they planned to start Newton this season as soon as they drafted him and would have put him as their number 1 priority.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not disputing that Cam would have been coached well by the Panthers

My point is that he had someone watching, critiqueing, and perfecting him on a one on one basis for about 3 months straight. Newton was brilliant to go there and get the coaching he got, no doubt. My point is he probably wouldn’t have been afforded the same one-on-one development that he got from IMG. Just look at Christian Ponder’s development. Nobody thought he’d be as far along as he is right now, either. What is the common denominator? IMG and Chris Weinke.

The team overall would have been better with a full off season to prepare, no doubt about that.

Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)

by Tarheel Soldier on Nov 9, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Weinke might be making a name for himself

as something other than a bust. A couple more successful QBs coming out of there and IMG will be the place to go for QB draft prospects.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")

Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull

by The Duke Dude on Nov 9, 2011 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I'm a little confused. Cam's off-season was enhanced by his one-on-one time with Weinke at IMG...

But so was Christian Ponder's

Something here doesn’t quite add up. 1 + 1 = 1 ????

Must be the new math

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 9, 2011 8:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Say what?!?

He’s just saying they both got individual attention

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Nov 9, 2011 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The lockout helped and hurt.

The negatives of the lockout are obvious. Cam didn’t get to be the coaches, the team, the facilities. What did help him from it was the lack of scrutiny. That statement may sound ridiculous with all that has gone around him but it’s true. After he was drafted he had 3 months to go underground and work on his game and skill set. He didn’t have to deal with reporters wanting to know how ever single practice went. There wasn’t a huge controversy on whether he would be the starter or not last the entirety of training camp.

by Captainculpepper on Nov 9, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I do believe he was still being dragged through the mud with scrutiny,

But he still took it upon himself to go practice at IGM. If he had been allowed to go to the team, he would have worked out just as hard, and probably learned the play book better from our coaches than from Weinke. Newton has the mind set that he wants to be the best and to be the best you have to have the best team. The more he works with the team, the better the team as a whole is, therefore making him better at his desire. He would have handled any reporters or scrutiny the same way he has all through his college career, just practice more.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This is where i stand alone again on my opinion of Cam Newton

I firmly believe that many fans are trying to find ways to understand why he is playing this way. Fans are trying to understand how the player that the Media talked about can do the opposite of what they projected…

Let me make my opinion clear on this… i am not surprized by what i see. I am not saying this in a “i told you so manner”. I speak to this defining point>>> this is who he was in the first place<<<. He was already this player. IMG helped him… but they did not improve his intstincts in the passing game NOR did they improve his pocket awareness… THAT just isn’t what happen here with this player.

The reality is this…. Cam Newton was the MOST NFL ready quarterback in this draft. I firmly believe that NFL evaluators and main stream media and fans (talking heads) have all looked at evaluations of quarterbacks ALL WRONG. I felt strongly that they have bascilly evaluated him backwards. I mean that in the sense that EVERYONE looks at offensive systems and styles of passing philosophy. Yet NO one wanted to look at the ONE skill set that ALL great quarterbacks have. And that is >>> pocket awareness (feeling the rush not looking at it)…. poise (focusing down field and keeping the play alive even as all hell breaks lose around them)… YOU have to have that … you have to be good at this and it is the starting point… don’t pass go DON’T COLLECT 200 dollars.. Without a shadow of a doubt this is the defining skills needed. And based on looking at film and NOT reading other peoples evalutations (scouting reports are you basiclly taking someone elses opinion)… you can clearly see this same skill on display at Auburn.

I beat this horse up alot pre draft and i felt it is very important to stand up and speak on this. Because the perception of what he is doesn’t meet who he is on the field.

Cam did improve during the off season… he did learn…. he did do what he was suppose to do. But by NO means did he become a “different player”…. he still runs at the same ratio… he still stands tall in the pocket… he still makes really great throws mixed with some “what was that dude” throws… (all of which i think will become less as he plays in the same system for back to back seasons).

I just think when fans try to give credit to IMG for some type of transformation your wrong. The ONLY thing that has changed is what Panther Coaches have asked him to do. Just like Auburn Coaches asked him to do what they wanted him to do….. This is just Newton running the offence he is asked to run… not a player who has “changed”… i think he has adapted… but NOT changed. …. to me it reminds me of when my mom told me there is no Santa Claws. She didn’t want to give credit to fat guy coming in the house at the middle of the Night… the credit belongs to dad who worked 2 jobs to put the presents under the tree. …. Off season or no off season he is who you see.. it isn’t a transformation. it is him adapting what he could already do too the pro game.

by Shankdiddy on Nov 9, 2011 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Nice writing Kris!

Let that sink in…‘BEST ROOKIE QB IN NFL HISTORY’

It won’t be long before everyone else is saying it too

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by Jaxon on Nov 9, 2011 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

Ok,
Where Does Cam Newton Stand After his First 8 Games?

 ANY DAMN WHERE HE WANTS!

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 12:38 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

pardon my french.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Oui.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")

Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull

by The Duke Dude on Nov 9, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

So, was I wrong?

So, was I wrong when I placed Cam on my Mt. Rushmore of College Football? I’ve been around a long time and seriously, I had not seen a player as dominate at any position. CAVEAT: I’ve been a college football player or fan for more decades than most on this site. Put it this way, Cam was as good as Bo Jackson and Hershel Walker. (in only one year of BCS ball)

Jackson himself saw it. Whom am I to argue with him? Cam has more tools than any player to ever play QB.

by qdog112 on Nov 9, 2011 12:39 PM EST reply actions  

Do you guys remember Jake Delhomme's 4th quarter comeback against the Chargers in 2008?

Where Rosario caught the game winning TD as time expired? That’s what I’m waiting for from Cam. Not just some big numbers and big plays here and there. But for him to put the team on his back in the 4th, against a quality team, and pull out a “W”.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Nov 9, 2011 1:38 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

That game was so epic.

"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad

"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger

by KaiserBromley on Nov 9, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Hell yeah I rememeber that game.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

And I think

we would’ve seen one of those against Minnesota had they not called that hold on Steve.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Where Rosario caught the game winning TD as time expired? That’s what I’m waiting for from Cam. Not just some big numbers and big plays here and there. But for him to put the team on his back in the 4th, against a quality team, and pull out a "W".

As a Lions fan i saw this out of Matthew Stafford his rookie season. However it happen in week 10 of the season. And a few multi interception games…. and losts…..and 100 yard passing games…and blowouts. Newton is carrying a team that has yet to figure it out on defence. And based on what you have seen from him from last year you would imagine you will see trade mark wins soon and not just stats.

by Shankdiddy on Nov 9, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

just another milestone

I agree it will come.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Nov 9, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Another good thing to consider is the FAs Cam will attract next season. I’d love for us to sign Vincent Jackson to complete our offense. I know our offense is fine now but signing Vjax would round out and complete our offense.

Rivera loves San diego players so I can definitely see it happening. Having Vjax, Smitty, shockey, Olsen, cam and double trouble would downright amazing.

by PantherTrain on Nov 9, 2011 1:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I have read a lot of times about how teams attract free agents.

 The main thing I see attracting any free agents is money. All the top of the line free agents go to the money. Thats how I see it anyway.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

The person who said “love makes the world go around” didn’t have any money, because it’s money that makes the world go around. (Well, actually it’s gravitational pull, but that’s neither here nor there.)

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

This year we are.

But next year we’ll have more space.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought it was the rotation of the magma surrounding the earth's core

… At least that’s what Hillary Swank taught me. (“The Core”)

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 9, 2011 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

That's very true, but...

…if I’m a vet player, if Team A offers me $10 mil and Team B offers me $15 mil, and the teams are about equal, I’ll take the bigger check thank you very much. But if Team A looks like they’re going to be playing for Super Bowls the next 3-5 years and Team B is cannon fodder, I might look real hard at signing with Team A. ‘Specially if I don’t have a ring already.

I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus

(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")

Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull

by The Duke Dude on Nov 9, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The player ultimately decides where he signs.

The agent just negotiates the deals and gets the offers for the player.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, anyway

I see more players chasing the money than their favorite team. I cant recall any articles about any players turning down huge offers to go to a lesser paying team recently.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, yeah. I never said the players don't go where the most money is offered to them.

I’m just saying the player is the one who decides where he goes, not the agent.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think some players accepted less to play with the Eagles this year.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

If we're going to sign a FA WR, I'd rather get Dwayne Bowe than V-Jax.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

He can ride with Lawrence Wilson...

He’ll get here faster.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think they'd survive the trip.

Cross buzzing can be dangerous.

"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad

"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger

by KaiserBromley on Nov 9, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They'll be stuck in a parking lot for about 6 hours

laughing at everything they say to each other.

Man, I used to hate that when I got high….

Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)

by Tarheel Soldier on Nov 9, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He could probably look halfway decent with Cam.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions  

+82

Dwayne Bowe continues to improve every year. Plus I think V-Jax is a little overrated. Bowe is a superior receiver to V-Jax with an inferior QB.

"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad

"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger

by KaiserBromley on Nov 9, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

V-Jax just had a 3 TD 140 yd. game against Charles Woodson and the Pack.

I don’t think he’s overrated.

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 9, 2011 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You might want to use more than one game to make your case though.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Nov 9, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not advocating that the Panthers sign Jackson this offseason (I'm also not sure they will even have the opportunity)

I was just stating that I don’t think V-Jax is overrated. The dude is greedy with money though.

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 9, 2011 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

True that homes.

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 10, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but I still don't think he is overrated

This year he has three games with over one hundred yards, and two multi-TD games. He’s on pace for 68 rec. 1226 yds. and 12 TD’s. 6’5 230 and decent/middle of the road speed and the ability to stretch the field and go vertical on a CB.

I suppose it depends on where you see him ranked as a WR. I see him as a top ten WR, not top 5, so therefore I don’t think he’s overrated.

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 9, 2011 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

We already have one of the league's top offenses

If we can’t win with that, then Jackson isn’t going to do squat for us. I want to see all our available resources pumped into defense and STs.

STEVE SMITH!

by southtunnel on Nov 9, 2011 2:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Man I wish we could get a guy like Patrick Willis at LB. We need a big LB. A guy who is 250+. For a while it seems like all our LBs have been closer to the 230-235 range. I guess I want a guy with 3-4 ILB size with speed to run sideline to sideline. I’ll be that BAMF wants the same thing.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 9, 2011 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Our division requires faster LBs

Gotta build your team to win in the division, and you can’t win in the NFCS if you can’t cover the slot on 5 WR sets

by ppalm on Nov 9, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We've got players who can cover the slot.

We don’t have a LB who can get off a block.

And I said that I want my cake and I want to eat it, too:

I guess I want a guy with 3-4 ILB size with speed to run sideline to sideline.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 9, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree,

and maybe someone to replace Otah.

"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011

by MrBernz on Nov 9, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Immediately.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 9, 2011 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

his name is byron bell

This has been a public service announcement.......

by CaptainPanther on Nov 10, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Schwartz under contract next season?

Of course he is more of a guard, but I bet Travelle could play some RT. Do a little shuffle job…

Gross, Piggy, Kalil, Schwartz, Wharton

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 10, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

My only objection to that is Wharton is such a natural LG

He’s been so great there for years. If it ain’t broke… you know?

And Schwartz is a FA.

I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 10, 2011 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Then NM

That was all contingent upon Schwartzy being under contract. But not sure he is better at G than bell is a T. Agree on ol’ Traa-vull.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 11, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I just finished watching Newton's latest interview..

He just looks so annoyed with the questions..and just seems like he just did not want to be there..I found it kind of funny..

Rocking the boat and righting the ship! Making the moves needed...Go Panthers!!!

by UNCMattyt99 on Nov 9, 2011 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I suspect I'd get pretty annoyed after a while, too, if every time I showed my face somebody stuck a Mike in it.

… Such are the cruelties endured by the great ones.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 9, 2011 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Lol. That's where I get my profile pictures

"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton

by Son of a Newton on Nov 10, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

He's got better things to do than sit there and answer stupid questions.

“How important is it that you win this first game after the bye?”

Who comes up with these gems, anyway?

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 10, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

To be fair, they’re still used to interviewing John Fox.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.

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by BW Smith on Nov 10, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

WoW lets not jinx the man guys! he's not on the MTN top yet!

Includes do not put him on the cover of Madden! Like it or not he will become a marked man in the NFL. They will try and hit him dirty! he does run the ball……..15yd penalty is small price to pay for taking Cam out! sad but true

This has been a public service announcement.......

by CaptainPanther on Nov 10, 2011 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

My greatest fear outside of a loved one dying.

I'm gonna live forever, I'm never gonna die. The only thing I fear is I'm never gonna fly.

by Charlotte Bobcat on Nov 10, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

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