A Look at Possible Panther 2012 Free Agent Targets
At 2-8 I can understand why some Panther fans are already mocking next year's draft. I get drawn into it myself in spite of still having six games left in this season. Yet before we get to the draft we will actually have a true free agency period this year. Of course, we will have some new rules to go by, some of which we aren't even aware of but it will be more than last offseason for sure.
I'm hoping to see GM Marty Hurney get aggressive in FA and plug some of our holes with veterans. Don't get me wrong, I'll take some prize rookies for sure but will instead hope they can watch and learn a bit before getting thrown into the fire.
With that said I found a site listing the 2012 free agents and then looked at which fit the typical Marty Hurney free agent target. Namely,
- A player not considered one of the top two FAs at their respective position
- A player with some upside and under age 30
- A player that fits the scheme
- Bonus: Familiarity with our scheme
So how aggressive can we be? We don't know for sure how much salary cap we will have next offseason but our best estimate at the moment is we will have enough cap space to land three starter quality players. So in order of importance here are my preferred targets at the moment for what I see are the five key positions of need, in order of importance.
There is no denying the need for added beef options up front and I doubt adding another rookie to the mix will be good enough soon enough. That's where we bring in another key veteran to rotate with Ron Edwards up front:
Aubrayo Franklin (NO) - NT - It was little alarming that Franklin received as little interest as he did this offseason, receiving only a one-year deal from the Saints. He probably won't even garner as much attention as he did last season after moving to a less glamorous 40 front for interior linemen. Depending on his production this year, he could be a nice under-the-radar acquisition.
Another option would be to acquire yet another Charger, after the jump...
Antonio Garay (SD) - NT - Just as quickly as they lost Jamal Williams, they've replaced him at nose tackle with another Pro Bowl caliber player. It's crucial to the defense that they retain Garay to anchor the defensive front.
2. Linebacker
If you really consider the probability of Thomas Davis returning to his prior form before next July after two ACL's injuries to the same knee (3rd overall) you realize it's not a great bet. Better odds would be to bring in a top FA LB:
Stephen Tulloch (DET) - Tulloch left the Titans to sign a one-year deal with the Lions. Given their hot streak and the energy given off by their defense, it seems more than reasonable that Tulloch will want to remain in Detroit. Considering the linebacking unit is a weakness for the team, it seems reasonable that the Lions will also want him back.
I will admit watching Tulloch get those two INT's against us last Sunday is influencing his inclusion on this list. I liked what I saw, a guy that can work the middle of the field and get his hands on the ball.
Even if Brandon Hogan becomes a viable corner in due time the Panthers would still prefer a bigger corner in the mold of Chris Gamble. Chiefs CB Brandon Carr goes 6'0" 210 lbs and is only 25:
Brandon Carr (KC) - It's hard to pinpoint what happens to the Chiefs defense with both Carr and Flowers showing signs of regression from a year ago. Carr was a potential breakout player and the Chiefs were poised to have one of the best cornerback tandems in the league. Though Carr has played far from terrible, he will command a price tag a bit above the average of a number two corner.
An option more likely to be in our price range is the Giants Thomas:
Terrell Thomas (NYG) - Thomas was an above average number two cornerback prior to suffering a season-ending injury. He's also one of the best in the league in run support, so if he can make a full recovery, he would be a valuable pick-up for a team looking to get physical on the perimeter.
A CB that is strong in run support is exactly what we need.
I want to say we should be fine on the offensive line just getting our injured players back, but the truth is a veteran guard would be a welcome sight and make this one strong unit:
Carl Nicks (NO) - OG - Nicks is one of the premier guards in the league and after watching Jahri Evans strike a rich deal not too long ago, the Saints may be hard pressed to offer a second guard that type of money, though Nicks arguably had a better season a year ago. If Nicks doesn't put a hometown discount on the table, there's a good chance the market shows him more love than the Saints can afford to show him.
Okay so maybe Nicks might be one of the top 2 free agents at his position but I can dream can't I?
WR is a position I think the Panthers are actually happy with right now but I'm hoping this guy decides he wants to join the Charger exodus east.
Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.
I realize we have a lot of hopes pinned on David Gettis return but it's hard to deny the element Jackson brings with his size and physical play.
So take my poll to state your preference.
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6-5 Was successful in Chudz offense
Just as long as we resign our key guys (JStew Shockey etc…) this’ll be great.
by rscott94 on Nov 24, 2011 2:03 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So what happened if Stewart wants d-will money?
It would truely be stupid to have 2rbs on the roster making $6-9 million a year. Thats why i was in shock at the deangelo w seal, at best should have been $10-12 million guarantee. Shockely will be 32- 33 in the 2012 season, I either want Gary b to get a shot or draft a late developmental tend lol. Just my thoughts.
by adam carter on Nov 24, 2011 2:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i don't think stew will ask for d-will money
He hasn’t produced as much as D-Will over the years, but is just as talented. I think production from top money RBs (CJ and D-Will) will have teams think twice about offering too much money. Forte’s contract will set the bar, but I think if Stew wants really big money, we make it happen by getting rid of D-Will.
by usana_gaines on Nov 25, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Might be hard to trade Deangelo, with that contract, his age, and what could be termed a "down" year.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
vincent jackson
he will get top money from someone. i for one dont want to give him what he will command. lets spread our little cap space around to 2 ro 3 players instead of one.
Put Me Down For None Of The Above
That’s largely because I don’t feel the Panthers will have as much room under the salary cap as you do.
I think age rules out your NT picks, both Garay and Edwards (who looks like he fell over the hill this year) will both be 32 years old next season. NT Paul Soliai (6-4, 355, age 28) was franchised this year, so how big a cut from $12 million a year will he take. My top NT target is the Bengals Pat Sims (6-2, 330, age 26), but the Bengals are currently $19.2 million under the salary cap, so he may not be as cheap as we might think.
Stephen Tulloch (5-11, 240) went to NC St. so he might want to return, but he’s only played MLB, and he’s a little short for OLB.
I like both your CB’s, but the Panthers currently have 6 CB’s, though 5 are 5-10 or shorter, but only 3 S’s. My choice would the Raiders free agent SS Tyvon Branch (6-0, 205, 4.31-40, 1.43-10), who had 124 tackles in 2009, and 104 in 2010.
OG Nicks will be expensive, and un-needed if the Panthers draft a OLT, or re-sign Schwartz and Hangartner, and OT Bell can also play OG.
WR Vincent Jackson has been franchise tagged twice, and will probably want that same type money, but his production isn’t worth that much, in 7 seasons he’s only had 2 seasons with over 42 catches (68 in 2009, and 59 in 2008). My pick is to trade for the Bears Johnny Knox (6-0, 185, 4.34-40, 1.47-10, 45 catches as a rookie in 2009, and a team leading 51 catches in 2010, with a 18.8 YPC), he’s a very good deep threat (which is needed most), and way more cheap than Jackson (around $600,000 salary in 2012).
I really would rather we not go after Jackson
He’s proven he’s willing to do whatever it takes to get as much money as possible. And Jackson at times has been inconsistent. I don’t think WR is enough of a need to warrant so much money that we can’t fill our other, more dire needs. If we were to make a big splash in free agency, I’d rather it be geared towards defense, as that’s where we have the most holes.
i see a regression
To the old panthers, don’t think we’ll be spending much money in FA tbh. Don’t think we have a chance of getting nick, v-jax or tulloch anyhow. Personally I think we’ll try for D-line and draft linebacker. Wr is less of a priority for me. I’m going off drafting offense at all. Our D is terrible, its all well and good drafting a huge talent on offense but what’s the point if I D can’t keep us in games. We saw it last week, scoring 35 only to be out gunned, rivera himself called it one of the worst defensive performances he’d been a part of. Obviously kalil, blackmon etc are outstanding players, but I for one don’t want to see another shit season with 2-5 wins. I get that its a process but we know where our weakness is so let’s fix it
Save us Pilares
by LimeyPanther on Nov 24, 2011 5:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sign defense, draft offense.
There’s a wealth of offensive talent in this draft. If the “Kalil the Younger” is available, snap him into the fold. If Otah recovers, move him inside and later move one of them to the left side.
One big run stuffer to rotate with a healthy Edwards would make a huge difference for the Panthers front. That would change matters for the secondary.
Stop gap players
we will go for 2nd. tier guys for temp. fixes.i say no way they spend big money in fa. car. builds through draft. i think priorites will be safety, lb, in fa. . they will draft fat nose to pair up with edwards and lb or cb.
has any 1 heard why hogan hasn't playd yet?
This has been a public service announcement....... In Cam...we trust!
hogan
It was on panther website that he had soreness in knee. doesnt sound good. hopefully, its just mild soreness from being out. it was reported last week. i know they are dying to get him on field. it could greatly affect futre plans at cb.
I know we're dreaming big...
But I’d be thrilled with just getting the big man in the middle. Either Franklin, Garay, Simms, or Soliai (and I suspect there are others) would be an excellent acquisition. In my opinion, the best choice is Garay. He’s familiar with Rivera and, though he’s 31, he’s played significant time for only the past two seasons. There are whispers that Cam Thomas may be ready to supplant Garay as the starter in San Diego. My guess it has more to do with Garay’s contract situation than performance.
Franklin, also 31, has played in well over 100 games in his career, and started most of them. He’s fallen off his game a bit this year as a result. SImms or Soliai will cost more, and they are less productive than Garay.
Brandon Carr? Hell, yeah, if we can get him.
Carl Nicks? Great player, but I don’t think he’s worth the money (for us).
Vincent Jackson? He’s a beast, possibly even better than Justin Blackmon I’d be shocked and awed if we got him, in a Snoopy-Dance kind of way.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I think we're dreaming too big here
It’s not Hurney’s style to go after the big-name free agents and he’s been burned by doing it in the past. Instead I think we should look to the middle-tier of free agents for who we could be acquiring. Here’s the guys I think we should be looking at…
1. Defensive Line
Pat Sims – A rotational DT and occasional starter for the Bengals, Sims should be looking for a starting gig this offseason. He’ll only be 27 for the 2012 season and at 6’2" and 330lbs, he’s the perfect size to fill the NT role we thought Ron Edwards would fill for us this year.
I’d also suggest another rotational DE, someone like
Jason Hunter – The Appalachian State product is a scheme-versatile player, playing both 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE for the Broncos. He brings size to the DE position at 6’4" and 271lbs, and was a special teams ace during his time with the Packers.
2. Linebacker
It’s pretty obvious we can’t depend on Davis to be our WLB, so I suggest we sign…
Manny Lawson – Lawson is a scheme-versatile OLB, playing in SanFran’s 3-4 and Cincy’s 4-3. He’s an SLB for Cincinnati, but he came out of college with 4.43 speed, leading me to believe that he could play WLB for us. Even if he can’t, we’ve seen that Anderson is a more than adequate WLB. A North Carolina native, he may jump at the chance to return home.
3. Defensive Secondary
Can’t really argue with your picks, but I think the CB depth in the draft will have us going a different direction in free agency. The regression of our safeties is concerning to me, so while I don’t have any names here, I’d take a long look at the free agent class.
4. Offensive Line
Another position I think will be relatively fine, and we should address in the draft if we do at all. Having Schwartz back will be good for our line, but perhaps we should look at another swing OG/OT due to Otah’s injury history.
5. Wide Receiver
I’d fill this internally as well, but if we’re going to spend some money then I’d suggest…
Robert Meachem – He’s been a nice part of the Saints’ passing attack for several years now and represents a deep threat, averaging over 15 yards per catch for his career. I’d be a little weary that he’s a product of Brees, as I am with every receiver the Saints use, but he’s got a first-round pedigree and could be looking to assume a bigger role in another offense.
And let me add one of my own…
6. Special Teams
Our special teams units as a whole are horrible. I’ll have to do some research as to who the best gunners on the market are, but we NEED to go after them. I’d also target a returner. I love Armanti (I am a Mountaineer after all) and Pilares has had the TD return, but I’m not sold on either of them as a returner.
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We have to add free agents to be competitive.
If we don’t, then I’m not sure there is a realistic expectation within the organization. Part of the reason we are a bad team right now is because we avoided adding a single free agent over a two year period prior to the lockout.
I know its cute to wax poetic about drafting and building a core of young players, but you have to supplement with solid veteran players, or you are going to be a young, green, mistake prone team. If we continue to ignore valuable mid-level free agents, then we are not going to get any better anytime soon. A couple of good FA moves and we can turn 5-11 into 10-6. Maintaining the same course will not improve us very much. Getting Beason back might be a one or two game swing, but the rest of the injured players coming back are relatively inconsequential.
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