I wish John Fox was still here
by vikram3011 on Nov 21, 2011 4:24 PM EST
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Over the last few weeks/months, every comparative analysis has the writer comparing the Panthers' performance in 2011 with that of the preceding year 2010. I believe that is unfair as we all know 2010 was an anomaly for a numerous reasons:
Veterans released,
Imminent lock-out,
No free agents and
most importantly being Coach Fox's lame-duck year.
I can understand the overwhelming urge to show and highlight how FAR we have progressed on offense. The truth is we have regressed more on defense than we have progressed on offense. This to me at least, is baffling as Ron Rivera was supposed to be a defense-minded coach.
I know you will talk about injuries to starters and all that...but every team goes through those. What matters is how you overcome the adversities and play to your strengths. Look no further than 2004 when we had almost the whole team on IR and almost made the play-offs. The truth is no matter how "exciting" your offense is, you are going nowhere with a terrible defense.
This is where I miss John Fox. Look at what he is doing with the Broncos. They play ugly, certainly are NOT exciting, but they still WIN games.I am sure if he was here, he would have made the D play better, the O would have played a little more conservatively, Double Trouble would have had more than 6 100-yard games each, John Kasay would have still been kicking game-winning field goals for us, there wouldn't have been even 25% of the penalty yards we have given up and most importantly, we would have been in a possible playoff hunt. Seriously.
Some of you will say that we are learning, we have rookies in key positions etc. Let me tell you that the other 31 teams are analyzing us every minute. Cam is no more the surprise-factor. Look at how the Titans game-planned against him. Look at how is performance (and yards) are diminishing with every game. That's expected. I don't think we will ever get the opportunities we got (and blew) this year in the games against every one but the Titans. I am sure Coach Fox would have somehow managed to win those.
I for sure miss him. Like the old saying goes, Offense may win you a few games but the Defense wins you the Championships.
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I don't share your sentiments at all.
Fox is gone for a reason, that reason is his fault only. I’m sure the cutting of “veterans” like Jake Delhomme are the reason this team was so bad last year, just ask Cleveland.
I actually agree that we would have a better record with Fox.
I don’t think we’d be in the playoff hunt though. Maybe 4-6. Rivera is learning to be a HC. He has made mistakes. Let’s start judging him in 2012, however.
Twaa...
It's so hard to say...
Because I wonder, if Foxy was stil here, would he have made the same decision in the draft. Who’s to say that he would’ve skipped taking a QB, and simply gone defense with his very own Von Miller, or Dareus or Peterson. You just don’t know.
There's no such thing as a 'JR Pick'
Richardson doesn’t make any football decisions, he leaves that up to his GM and coaching staff
That's why Cam and Cecil went in to visit JR and the clock?
Your kidding yourself if you think he doesn’t have final say/veto power.
Twaa...
Well that's true, but I wouldn't call having veto power a football decision.
JR didn’t say “I want Cam Newton.” Marty and Rivera most likely had to convince JR “This is why we want to take a gamble on Newton.”
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 23, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Potato Potaato, IMO.
Yes, Marty, the scouting dept and the coaching staff probably came to JR with the finalists…from there I don’t see how Jerry could be uninvolved.
Twaa...
Unique situation, IMO.
Taking a risky QB with the #1 overall pick and say… taking Jonathan Stewart and trading up for Otah are two different things. I’d be willing to bet JR had nothing to do with the latter.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 23, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I would agree with that.
But he had a big hand in earning that #1 overall pick, if you will, so I think he would make sure all the shit he took for it was not in vain.
Yes he trusts Hurney, but with such a huge decision, I can’t see a scenario in which he was completely absent during the process.
My hypothesis is: Hurney brought him information on 5-8 players, he gave them his feedback, and that ultimately led to him sitting down with Cam in his home at least 6 weeks before the draft. Whether or not other players visited his home, I have no idea.
This was one of if not the biggest decisions in the history of the franchise (in terms of personnel). The owner was involved in some way shape or form. Maybe he didn’t “pick” Cam, but he certainly had to sign off on it.
Twaa...
I guess the other side of it, James, is this:
Are we to believe that Hurney would elect not to sign a single free agent for two years?
Twaa...
I am glad Richardson won't share in the short-sightedness.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 21, 2011 4:45 PM EST reply actions 5 recs
Fox is winnig games, but not building a future.
The offense Denver has been running with Tebow at the helm will not last long at all. Inevitably, defenses will catch up to it, an the nature of the copy cat league will take its course, resulting in the end of the Tebow/Fox era. Unlike Fox, Rivera is bulding a future.
by RonnieHawkins97 on Nov 21, 2011 4:46 PM EST reply actions
Indeed.
Right now… Fox is riding a QB with no forseeable future as a starter in the NFL. He is also riding a RB who is on his last legs in McGahee. He lacks a whole lot of talent at WR, and will not develop that at all as long as Tebow is behind center.
The whole Tebow experiment is hurting Denver right now, in incredible ways. I hope Fox realizes this, and attempts to address the QB position in the next draft.
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I would argue Fox is sitting on a couple of talented WR's
and wasting that talent. Royal is very talented and Decker is definitely the real deal. They won’t know if Demaryius is any good due to the many factors in the equation. Denver is postponing finding out what they really have for some lucky wins.
It's hard to utilize that talent if the man under center can't get them the ball...
he’s working with what he has, much in the same way he did when he came to Carolina in 2002; I’ll be surprised if they don’t bring in veteran help (since Orton is done as a Bronco) or a more conventional QB prospect in the draft, but as it stands his job (and any other HC’s job) is to win games, plain and simple. Denver will be scary good if they can find a QB (or work a miracle with Tebow’s passing game) who can throw the ball consistently, and a few more players to take over for some of the older guys on the team, cause they have some good young talent on both sides of the ball as it stands…
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That's my point
He is doing both Decker and Thomas a disservice by putting Tebow back there game after game.
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Orton wasn't able to get them the ball either, for whatever reason...
And I was a big fan of bringing in Orton if he was available, but he just looked like crap this year; Tebow is their best chance, as much as it pains me to say so lol
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disagree
I don’t understand why everything says Tebow has no future as a starting QB in the NFL. Orton is garbage, always has been. Tebow has better passing stats in his first eight starts than Elway and Terry Bradshaw. If Fox and Elway believe in him, why should someone else doubt them. Tebow will be a better passer with experience, but the play calling has a lot to do with it. They don’t play to his strengths…slants, hooks, screens and dump-offs to the TE. Foxy never liked those plays, he wants to go deep, and Tebow struggles some, but have you noticed that he doesn’t make bad decisions or turn the ball over? Can’t say that for some other QBs in the league who are supposedly surefire starters.
by usana_gaines on Nov 22, 2011 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, other teams overcome injuries
But other teams have established coaches and players in a well entrenched system.
Currently, the Carolina Panthers lead the NFL in players on IR. We have one of the youngest (experience wise) coaching staffs in the NFL. We also have the youngest roster in the NFL.
So, if you sum up all the parts, you realize we have guys out there starting right now that were not even with the team in training camp. To further make that a problem, they aren’t surrounded by guys that know the system very well to correct mistakes on the field.
The fact is, getting healthy and having a full season and offseason under our belts will be the best medicine for the Panthers at this point in time. Couple that with a solid draft and some spot FA acquisitions, and we could see the misery turn around in a hurry.
Collard Greens my friend. Not instant grits.
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by Tater596 on Nov 21, 2011 4:50 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1
When comparing Rivera to Fox. Rivera seems to be finding out what talent exists on his roster, which Fox failed to do last season, by putting those players on the field. Had Fox done that last season with this roster, maybe he wouldn’t have been run out of town.
Compare Fox pre-2010
Let’s set aside 2010 and then compare Fox with Rivera.
A playoff blunder leading to a sub par 2009 season.
Remember, he was heading into a lame duck season for a reason.
We are the hollow men.
We are the stuffed men.
by Thaddeus_Griffin on Nov 21, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you mean when Fox had a team of established veterans...
Not to mention a system that had been in place for close to 10 years?
Yeah, that’s a fair comparison.
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Do you realize you don’t turn around a train-wreck team with no talent in 1 year?
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by SouthernPanther on Nov 21, 2011 4:59 PM EST reply actions
they were competitive early on...
but after about week 6 or so they were an absolute joke in 2001
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I was only 10 at the time, so my memory of it is probably skewed
Looking back at the schedule, they played 2 OT games and I remember the week 13 game against Buffalo when they were up by 18 only to lose. The recap says that that was the fifth time that season that they had blown a lead in the final 5 minutes of a game. They also only lost by 6 to a Rams team playing to win the division that finished the season 14-2 and lost in the Super Bowl.
The other game against STL Faulk ran for 220+ yards on us…on the strength of two 50+ yards TD runs.
Twaa...
I'm just saying, it's easier to turn a round a competitive team
that just can’t quite get it done than it is to turn around a team that just looked like it didn’t belong
I miss all the guys on IR….
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fox isnt as nearly as bad as he was last season
Foxy and richardson didnt get along, and he simply didnt care to win last season. But the broncos are much better defensively and that’s why they are winning games.
And they have Jesus watching over them every game.
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"If you're hungry, you go eat. If you need to breathe, you're gonna breathe. I want to win, so I'm gonna go try to win." -Cam Newton
The only way I would ever be ok with Fox in Carolina again is DC or on the other team.
He never put together back to back winning seasons let’s not forget that. His record he was 73-71 in nine years. We had good moments and years but he could not sustain success. It is time to move on.
When someone tells you that you are one in a million, what they are really saying is that there are about 1400 of you in China.
and I really wouldn't want to see him as DC
When someone tells you that you are one in a million, what they are really saying is that there are about 1400 of you in China.
I dunno, he was a pretty good DC before he came to Carolina...
and we did field some good defenses (for the most part) while he was HC, not too mention he and Del Rio performed an absolute miracle with that 2002 defense. I’d actually love to see him as a DC again, but it would never happen with us.
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that 73-71 is misleading.
You can’t count his last year in his record when the owner pulled his team out from under him.
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So we don't count this year for Rivera
The issue that really sticks out to me is he never had a back to back winning season.
When someone tells you that you are one in a million, what they are really saying is that there are about 1400 of you in China.
Yes we count this year for Rivera.
The owner didn’t strip Rivera of his main players and fill the spots with rookies. I do give Rivera a pass this season due to him being a rookie head coach though. Even if he were not a rookie head coach, I would still give any coach the first year to build and install his methods.
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I don't
He was a good coach with us, hell he’s still a good coach, but it was time for a change.
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Offense would be pathetic... Defense would be tired...
Now with Rivera, the Offense is better and the Defense is pathetic. Losing sucks, I hate it. There’s more on the way until our team can add some talent and figure itself out… no matter who the coach is.
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by PughDaddy73 on Nov 22, 2011 9:04 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I guess nobody else is allowed to express their opinions.
Stupid Post
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It its a stupid post, and he does have the right to his opinion, just as others have the right to strongly disagree with it.
If foxy was still here we may have another win or 2 but we probably wouldn’t have our franchise qb and his success probably wouldn’t last. He was not a talent developer, as a matter of fact he blatantly wasted talent therefor there was no real future. Foxy seemed to me to be content with being mediocre. Having a strong d is great but with our offensive philosophy under him we were still going to be outscored constantly.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Nov 22, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That was a stupid comment.
Foxy seemed to me to be content with being mediocre.
In fact, your whole analysis was stupid.
If foxy was still here we may have another win or 2 but we probably wouldn’t have our franchise qb and his success probably wouldn’t last.
Like Erl told someone up there^, Richardson was responsible for Newton.
as a matter of fact he blatantly wasted talent therefor there was no real future.
Who did he blatently waste? Edwards?
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Hippocritcal much? Hmm I guess im not allowed to have my own opinion.
And sure, we may have cam but his talent and ability would be….. wait for it, wait for it, blatantly wasted in an offensive system that fox would use. Cam is a force on downfield throws and that wouldn’t happen under fox, atleast not with any regularity. And regarding the mediocrity, name another team who was most likely the class of their division for as mny years as we were to never make back to back winning seasons, much less reach the playoffs back to back years. Oh, and wasting talent, I guess I’m more referring to not making a change when it was needed so many times. I loved jake but how many horrible decisions did he have to make before a change was made? Not to mention that you can’t deny how many people we lost during fox’s tenure that went on to be major contributors other places. If you never give the youngguys a chance you won’t ever make any big strides toward sustained success. This is all just my opinion so if you want to call it stupid feel free, doesn’t bother me at all. But to attack me for disagreeing wth him is……ignorant.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Nov 22, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I was only letting you see how it feels to be called stupid for your opinion.
You say this crap about back to back winning seasons like thats so bad. He still had a winning record. He is winning games right now. He came to this team and turned a 1-15 team into 7-9 the following year, then a super bowl run. He also never had consecutive losing seasons until his team was pulled from him. I believe during his time here, if you subtract his final year due to him not having his team, we had more wins than the other 3 teams in our division. Who was it you wanted Fox to replace Delhomme with? We all saw how the fans felt about Moore after he started here. For all you know he would have seen how well Newton plays in practice and started him. Stranger things have happened, (like Fox starting Tebow).
Not to mention that you can’t deny how many people we lost during fox’s tenure that went on to be major contributors other places.
I bet it is less than how many went on to fail with other teams.
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Who cares
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by Imisshooooooooov on Nov 22, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Me!!!!
"Most football teams are temperamental. That's 90% temper and 10% mental." -Doug Plank
by Imisshooooooooov on Nov 22, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though
We get you loved fox let these guys have their opinions and quit trolling
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by Imisshooooooooov on Nov 22, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
FYI
They were the ones trolling. I didn’t write this article. They came to it calling the article stupid. That’s what trolls do. My opinion of their opinion cant be voiced, but their opinion of Vikram’s opinion can? Isn’t that being kind of ummmm, prejudiced or biased?
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Once again who cares
We come to talk football stop flaming every person who disagrees with the post. You’ve responded to almost every person who disagrees telling them why they are wrong. Who are you jesus of football? Shut it bro
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by Imisshooooooooov on Nov 22, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
You mean like you are doing right now?
You are the pot calling the kettle black. You are telling me that I can’t voice my opinion. You are voicing yours, they voiced theirs, but I can’t voice mine. And I didn’t flame anyone. I made a post calling 1 person stupid just to prove a point, a point that you obviously missed.
Yes you are making perfect sense......
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Both sides need to step away and cease fire.
Yay, just what I wanted - to moderate a John Fox argument.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 22, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
x
If people would play by the f@cking rules, I wouldn’t have to enforce them.
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Fox Who
I was so glad he is gone. i wonder if denver will bring him back after this season. i can see him and elway butting heads in draft. You know elway will want a qb {which they desparteley need} to fox wanting running back or defense.
You do know he is under his first year of his contract.
i wonder if denver will bring him back after this season.
Do you think they would fire him and pay him for the future years of his contract?
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Probably not this time, but they still
are paying both Mike S and Josh M the future years if their deals.
by adam carter on Nov 22, 2011 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Wouldnt surprise
i dont see a good fit with them two. its been done before. miami, cam cameron.
Bottom line: Fox had more losing seasons than winning ones
He is a loser. He would score 10 points and then spend the rest of the game protecting his lead. Every team knew our every play and most even knew our snap count. He has no idea how to use a qb or TEs. Thats basic fundamentals right there. He ran middle everytime on 3rd and 18. Hell I saw other teams stack the box with all 11 defenders leaving smitty uncovered and he would still run the damn ball for a loss. Unbelievable.
I know Rivera is struggling. We all know he knows defense as is indicated by his defensive rankings from the past. I for one am damn happy that he understands offenses even if he and Chud are making major mistakes, they still are doing very well. I am sure he will tighten up our defense next year with Lbs, DTs, Nt, and my personal favorite a kickass safety. We will be a different team.
Both coaches made errors. Only one has shown he is smart enough to learn from his mistakes. Thank God he is the coach we have right now.
by Panthster on Nov 22, 2011 12:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Posts like this make it hard to have any confidence in your view.
Both coaches made errors. Only one has shown he is smart enough to learn from his mistakes. Thank God he is the coach we have right now.
What exactly has he done to show you he learned anything yet?
I am not trying to bash Rivera. I think he is doing ok for now since he is a rookie head coach. But to bash someone else and praise him with nothing to show the reasoning is not convincing. We have had stupid penalties every game. He hasn’t learned from them yet. We have had poor special teams play all year, he hasn’t learned from it yet. And when I say he hasn’t, I mean he hasn’t done anything abou tit to show us he learned from it because it is still happening every week.
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Good question, let me defend
If you remember the first few games of the season, we did not run the ball well. I can’t look up our current ranking right now, but last i checked we had moved up to the #5 spot. This is a vast improvement in how we used our RBs. Rivera is trying to work Pugh into the game right now to firm up our safety problem. I would love to see Pugh start in place of Sherod. Stay tuned because I think you will see this soon under Rivera. When Goody faltered, he tried several different options on kick return until pilares hit the home run and set a ST franchise record. Remember how Fox left Jake in the games even when everybody knew something was wrong with him. He had what like 6 interceptions in one game. Remember how Fox refused to play anybody but Claussen for most of last year while watching him fall on his face again and again. If somebody is not working out you need to learn from it and try something new.
Is Rivera perfect? No. Hey, you love Fox and you are intensely loyal. I respect that, but I don’t feel the same. Fox is responsible for many broken tv remotes in my house. Until he sends me a check, he is not getting any love from me.
by Panthster on Nov 22, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if Rivera made the changes that is making Williams and Stewart produce.
They have been known to start out slow. I believe the year the got the record for 1100 yards each, they had a slow start. But like I said, I give Rivera the benefit of doubt for now. And I don’t “love” Fox, I just believe people should be fair when assessing him. My opinion was he was a good coach. I am sure others think differently when they compare him to other coaches, but in my book he was ok. I just hope Rivera can do better than Fox did.
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thats the thing, i dontthink fox was a very good coach. at least not after the 08 season
Before 08 any other decent coach could hav usedthe talent we had and done the same thing. But foxy refused to change. If what you are doing isn’t working, change it. Name another coach who did so little to change things up when they consistently weren’t working. Not to mention that he was given 9 years in his system and he never changed anything that I remember that wasn’t working.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Nov 22, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Be for real now,
Would you know if they tried to change anything other than players? Do you think they went in at halftimes down and said, “lets just keep doing what we’re doing”?
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tell me howmany times in the 2nd half we fell even further behind because they refused to changeup the game plan.
I know 100% that I am not he only person to see it happen over and over again the last few years. I know this because even when I joined this blog earlier in the year, after foxy was gone, many other people made comments to that exact situation. Hey, either way its just my opinion but I lost all respect for fox the last few years.
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by braves&panthers4ever on Nov 23, 2011 2:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know how many times.
Because I don’t know if the game plan was changed and that 1 didn’t work for them.
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Below average
3 playoff teams in 9 years. to me, that is pitiful. foxs brand of football is hard to win consistently.
All I’ll say is I think we have a bright future ahead of us. Fox had worn out his welcome here, and consequently he coaches for denver now and we have Rivera. Personally, I am glad Fox is gone. I love where this team is heading, and while it hurts now, I’d much rather be a fan of our 2-8 Panthers than Fox’s broncos any day of the week and thrice on Sunday’s.
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Defense regressed more than the Offense progressed?
In 2010 our defense allowed 5.1 yards per play. In 2011 our defense allows 6.2 yards per play.
In 2010 our offense produced 4.3 yards per play. In 2011 our offense produces 6.2 yards per play.
Our defense went from being ranked 18th to being ranked 27th.
Our D in 2010 allowed 335 yards/game our D in 2011 allows 374 yards per game.
Our offense went from being 32nd in the to 5th.
Our O in 2010 gained 258 yards per game. Our O in 2011 gains 400 yards per game.
Our D is a problem, no doubt about that, but to say that our D has regressed more than our O has progressed is simply ignorant.
I completely agree.
When someone tells you that you are one in a million, what they are really saying is that there are about 1400 of you in China.
Realted note:
Broncos waived Orton. Bears and Titans, unless someone higher up on the waiver list (non-playoff team) beats them to it.
Twaa...
I think it would be great if the Bears picked him up.
Orton, on the phone with Martz: Wait, you want me to come in and clean up your shitty QB play again, only so you can cut me loose after this season for Jay Cutler, again?!
Martz: Well, yeah Kyle. That’s pretty much it.
Orton: Okay. I’ll be in Chicago tomorrow.
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This is going to be interesting...
as I don’t see the Titans moving on Orton with Locker itching to get some playing time (If I were the Titans at any rate, I would go with Locker if Hasslebeck can’t play so he can at least show off his stuff for a full game). Not sure what was up with Orton this year, but he just looked kind of “out of it”…maybe it was because he knew that he was a “dead man walking” in Denver with Jesus’ kid playing behind him on the depth chart…
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In that case...
then yes, definite possibility, the only variable being just how much faith Kubiak has in Leinart (I suspect it’s a little bit higher than Chicago’s faith in Hanie, but I sure as hell wouldn’t trust Leinart to make the playoff push)
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Chicago
Is the most likely destination for Orton, followed by Tennessee.
Houston has said they’re not interested, and I can’t see a team who isn’t trying to make a playoff run pick him up.
The Colts will make it blatantly obvious that they're trying to get the #1 pick if they don't work out Orton.
I know they’re 0-10, but c’mon…they gotta at least bring in Orton for a workout to make it look like they’re trying to win.
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I think we can all agree...
That it is what it is.
With the first pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, John Fox selects....
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If they end up with a winning record
I would bet my company on the fact that the Broncos get the first pick in the draft.
When someone tells you that you are one in a million, what they are really saying is that there are about 1400 of you in China.
not sure what you're saying
The Broncos are 5-5, and could win the division. I’m going to assume you aren’t saying they’ll get the first pick in the draft.
by usana_gaines on Nov 23, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Foxy is laughing at JR
His team is 5-5, one game out of first in the division. His old QB, Matt Moore, is killing it in Miami. We’re losing. Everyone know wer’re gonna do things to get better on D in the offseason, and that CAM is a beast, but for now, Foxy’s laughing.
I don't think Fox is laughing too hard.
I think he is now teamed up with a billboard for the head coach position.
STICK THE KNIFE IN AND TURN IT!!!!!
fox is a joke
elway will get tired of foxs crap real fast. it wouldnt surprise me if they fired his ass after this year. you know elway wants a franchise qb and fox wants a game manager, [like jake the snake]
Welll, in Jake Plummer's defense...
he boasts a pretty impressive W-L record
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
by Tomthehomer on Nov 23, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think John Fox is a great Coach, and I thought he did a great job up until 2009.
Having said that, In no way would I rather have John Fox over Ron Rivera. People just need to give BAMF some time to get some talent on the field (defense), and the wins will come. This year is/has been tough, but we have no reason to believe that RR won’t put things together.
"My mom used to always say, If your hungry, go eat. If you can't breath, breath. I wanna win, so if I don't win, I'm going to pitch a fit." -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Nov 23, 2011 7:20 PM EST reply actions
fox is to predictable the offense would be no where near were they are…and the defense has solid pieces to build on.. the LB’s are depleted there is nobody there other than anderson.. Don’t wanna sound like a broken record but next year you’ll be on this side of the fence…But i do agree Fox is a damn good coach and was dealt a bad hand in 2010
by tvillemadness04 on Nov 26, 2011 9:39 AM EST reply actions
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