Panthers 2011 Mid-Season Review: Special Teams
We are half way through the 2011 season so it's only appropriate we review our 1st half performance as compared to last year as well as to our expectations. This is a three part series I will complete over the bye week looking at each phase of the game. You might expect I would start with the offense since it's obviously the most improved or the defense because of its obvious weaknesses. Instead I'm starting with Special Teams because I have a bug up my arse about it at the moment.
Before I get to that though, I want to say that were it counts the are 2-6, a measly one game improvement from the miserable 2010 season. Yet I'm the first guy to admit it feels way better. We have hope once again in Carolina. This in spite of the fact that our biggest reason for hope has also been a leading reason we are 2-6. If you look at the losses four of them were by margins less than the points given the opponent on QB turnovers, INTs & fumbles. I'm not saying this to diss on Newton at all, he's a rookie and bound to make mistakes and I have no beef with him at all.
I do have a beef with special teams though and I admit I'm still a little raw about the most recent loss. Special teams began and ended that loss with putrid plays. On the opening kickoff they give up a long return to the Panthers 27 yard line. Then of course it ends on the hooked kick by Mare. It happens, I know...but when it's his first last second game winning tying attempt in electric blue you kind of hope your shiny new kicker makes it.
So are the Panthers special teams units as bad as I suspect? I'll look three different football stats websites to paint the picture and let you decide.
Football Outsiders Special Teams Stats- FO uses five different metrics to compute an overall ranking to measure special teams: (metric, NFL rank)
1 - field goals/extra points - 27th
2 - kickoff return coverage - 25th
3 - kick returns - 30th
4 - punt coverage - 29th
5 - punt returns - 31st
Overall - 31st in the NFL
Ouch that is ugly...
We will also look at NFL.com stats, the overall analysis and a fan poll...after the jump...
Kick Return AVG: 21.0 yd avg, 29th in the NFL
Punt Return AVG: 5.5 yd avg, 29th
Kick return coverage: 28.3 yd avg, 26th
Punt coverage: 32.4 net avg, 32nd
FG Percent: 22nd, 81% (13 of 16)
Doesn't shine a better light does it?
So overall though we might want to point at certain individuals for their hand in the poor special teams play, whether it PR Armanti Edwards, KR Keoloha Pilares or K Olindo Mare the fact is the Panthers are in the bottom 25% of the league...in every category!
therefore the problem lies with the coaches and the general manager. I tend to put about 33% of the blame on the players, 33% on the GM and 33% on the ST coaches. In the end though its ST coach Brian Murphy who should be worried. He's apparently has not adjusted well to the rule changes on kick offs such as no three man wedges on returns and the added five yards on kick offs.
I think no matter how this unit fares in the second half of 2011 Murphy will probably get a pass this season with Marty Hurney focused on adding experienced special teams talent to the roster in the off season. So in other words, I will continue to keep the bar low for special teams and simply hope they play well enough to not lose the game for us.
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Yeah, our special teams unit sucks.
The blocking has been bad, the tackling has been bad, and the returning has been bad (though that can be blamed somewhat on the blocking). Quite frankly I don’t have much hope for the ST unit this year. Hopefully this offseason we address our needs on ST with some FA signings. There’s plenty of guys out there that have made a career out of being a ST’ers, yet don’t add much on offense or defense. We’ve had several of those guys here in the past, we need to get back to having those guys.
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I tend to put about 33% of the blame on the players, 33% on the GM and 33% on the ST coaches.
Well, I know this is the 1/3 methodology, but it leaves us with 1% left over as blame.
I blame BW 1% for our problems on ST
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Blame it on Congress
They’re deserving of at least SOME of the blame.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Can’t a guy catch a break? Jeez….You wanna blame someone?
Blame App St for recruting AE and making our fans want him on the Panthers
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Or blame our organization for trying to convert one of the best FCS Quarterbacks of all time to a receiver and returner
Oh wait… that wasn’t really THAT sarcastic.
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Ok, I’ll stop now. To easy of a target now…
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My bad BW… have been an ass lately about that.
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I haven't noticed anything different
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Correction- it wasn't a game winning shank
would’ve tied it, and sent it to overtime…so this wasn’t mare’s first shot at a game winner in electric blue…
Right.....
Check that. We will call it “shanking his first game loser”. Is that more factual
by mives36 on Nov 2, 2011 11:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More of a pull-hook, definitely not a shank.
I know whereof I write.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
This has been the biggest issue I've had with this team over the last several seasons.
Our ST unit has just continued to be atrocious year in and year out and there has been no semblance of even an attempt of improvement. There needs to be a systematic change from the top down. I know that the offense was the number one priority from last season, and it appears Rivera & Co. have done a great job to address that problem. It would appear that they are going to try and address our defensive woes this offseason. But there is no way we will be a top tier team if we do not address the special teams. Someone needs to be hired or something needs to happen. This is getting ridiculous.
Our ST used to be the envy of the league...
Can’t help but feel losing Scott O’Brien hurt more than anything; he was considered one of the best ST coaches in the league when he retired (although I think he came back out of retirement for someone else)
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
year in and year out....
hmmm….what HAS been the common denominator on these bad years? Not the coaches…not the players….Hint: starts with an ‘H’
Well ya know
He’s also the guy that’s responsible for everything RIGHT with the team. Hurney seems to have overlooked the special teams unit though, that is a fact.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
generally speaking...
i have liked a lot of what he’s done. But he has made some bonehead calls as well.
He has, but every GM makes some bad moves.
I refer to baseball a lot because that’s what I know best, but just because Frank Wren signed Derek Lowe doesn’t make him a bad GM. Same principle applies here.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
If Frank Wren could figure out a way to trade for free agents, the Braves may be okay.
He seems to pull off impeccable trades, but his FA signings have been largely lackluster.
The big signings have been.
But the smaller moves: Hinske, Ross, and the relievers he’s signed have done exactly what they were brought in to do.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of Lowe....
What are your thoughts on the trade that sent him to Cleveland? Do you think $5M is enough salary relief to make it worth it?
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Absolutely
He wasn’t worth his roster spot anymore with Minor more than ready to start. Plus we’ve got Delgado and Teheran on the verge of major-league readiness in the minors. Wouldn’t surprise me to see another arm moved this offseason.
But I really can’t see anyone taking any more than $5MM off that contract, and we addressed an organizational need by picking up a young lefty reliever. Two birds, one stone.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree...
I think Jurrjens gets moved during the Winter Meetings (hopefully for a RH OF bat) and we see Teheran and/or Delgado on opening day 2012.
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Me personally
I get a RH bat from the free agent market and use Jurrjens to put some talent in the system. Our position player depth is pathetic at best.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Which FA would you go after though?
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Well all of them are flawed
Willingham, preferably. He wants three years but I don’t think he’ll get it. The loss of the draft pick would be offset by whoever we get from trading Jurrjens.
And I wouldn’t mind seeing Andruw back. He’s reinvented himself as a part-timer, I wonder if he could play everyday again.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt they’d go the Andruw route, though I wouldn’t complain if they did.
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It's worth a shot for somebody
I think he’s earned a full-time gig again.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
HEY, THIS IS A FOOTBALL BLOG! NOT BASEBALL!!!
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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by Ivan459 on Nov 2, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Some of your dues go to financing baseball talk...
You didn’t know that?
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
We’re talking electronic wheel-chair ‘special.’ I can’t believe its that bad. Honestly, I like Baker. He plays with effort, he’s a pro, and he’s a good presence in the locker room. But we need to start looking for other options at punter in the offseason. His play has slid noticeably over the last two or three seasons.
Twaa...
I think it’s more coverage units then Baker, for instance the two punt returns for TDs that have been scored on us, five players stand around Patrick Peterson and don’t do a thing to tackle him, and then the Devin Hester punt return, he broke at least 3 tackles.
by kasayfan4 on Nov 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No doubt that is a huge factor.
But I’ve also noticed that he is less consistent with his punts than he’s been in the past. Yes he is going to look worse than he really is when no one can tackle the punt returner. I just don’t feel like he’s one of the better punters anymore. Just on his gross punting numbers alone, you can see that he has regressed.
Twaa...
I also think
It is the field position that is contributing to JB’s lackluster performance. He is a leader in the locker room and punts fine. We need to give him better situations to punt in. Or make it to where he dont have to punt at all. Although to me (and I dont have the stats in front of me to back it up) It appears that we have improved on 3rd down conversions.
It's all good.
Of course everyone is talking about more since Sunday
But if we wanted a KOS, we should have replaced Baker and not Kasay.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
cough...Chris Kluwe...cough
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I don't have any hope that special teams are going to get much better this season.
Given that the majority of the special teams players are also contributing with actual game play, I have to put MUCH of the blame on the coaching. To be honest, I wouldn’t be mad or surprised if they fired the ST coach over the bye week. They won’t do it, but I wouldn’t care if they did. I just don’t think the play of the units reflect the talent of the sum of their parts. That is 100% coaching my friends.
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by ALAC on Nov 2, 2011 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Meh, I’m not %100 sold on us having the talent. Perhaps you’re right about coverage units being mostly on the coaching staff, but it’s not like we’re loaded with sure tacklers. I see a lot of our ST’ers missing tackles. And as for the return game, I don’t really think we have the talent to be honest. We haven’t had a true return man capable of breaking the big one since Smitty IMO.
Part of the issue on special teams
Is the amount of injuries to the defense. Your back-ups that have to play special teams are now starting, so unproven guys at the bottom of the roster are now on coverage units.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
This is true........
but many of these guys were brought in from the outside to be starters. Not moved up from the bottom of the roster.
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I kind of agree.......
but I also know that we’re praising some of these guys for their regular game play. None of them are pro bowlers, but they are solid in other areas. The same guys missing tackles on mediocre teams are making tackles in the game. Beats the hell out of me why.
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Although, I do agree that there is no hope of it improving this season. Defense? Maybe. Special Teams? Don’t think so. It hasn’t improved over the last 5 to 6 years, why would it start now?
Not the time in the season to be firing anyone.
If we don’t see any improvement throughout the course of the season however, I’ll be very disappointed if we don’t see a change in philosophy or coaching on the ST.
by Panthers FTW on Nov 2, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The bye week is typically when coaches get fired during the season.
It’s not right or wrong, just when it usually happens. As I said, they aren’t going to do it, but I wouldn’t care if they did. I see no way it could make things any worse.
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Not saying I disagreed with the fact that is when they are normally fired
just saying I don’t think that’s a proper way to do business. Just my opinion.
by Panthers FTW on Nov 2, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess it depends on the business.
I think they do it in football to light a fire, or at least get a spark under a struggling team or unit. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. It would suck to get fired on your day off though.
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I forget how underrated the importance of special teams are.
It makes teams like the Bears have a good record and teams like us have bad records. I’d wager we’re a superior team than teams like the Bears, but their skill on ST offsets that completely. It’s no wonder teams that are atrocious on ST don’t tend to make the playoffs, it’s the part of the game that people don’t think about that much. Hopefully some emphasis will be put on it in the future of the organization, because we’ve been pretty bad ever since Steve Smith stopped returning kicks.
Yup.
BAMF can tell you first hand…he had the #1 defense, the #1 offense, and the worst special teams unit last season in SD and they went 8-8.
Twaa...
In a weak division.
I didn’t want to cite SD because they’re an obvious example, but they’re also the most prevalent evidence of how truly important ST are.
by Panthers FTW on Nov 2, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
My two cents...
Here’s a simple (if long), from-the-hip series of observations regarding the special teams’ performance to date:
1) Coaching - The special teams unit has been bad for years now. We’ve changed the special teams coach twice (once under Fox and again with Rivera’s new staff), correct? It doesn’t seem to have improved things very much. Personally, I think there are two compounding problems in this area. One, with each coaching change, maybe they keep installing a new scheme on punt coverage, kickoff coverage, blocking assignments, etc.? If so, there’s little continuity there. The players keep having to adapt. Maybe that’s part of the problem? Secondly, I expect coaches to actually coach their players. If a unit is underperforming (and it has for quite some time now), I expect the coach to address it. Drill the players again on the basics. Spend extra reps on special teams in practice. Repeat ad nauseum until the players “get it” and translate it to the field on game day. Lastly, if a coach isn’t able to properly install his scheme or get his players attuned to it, he either needs to adjust his scheme (i.e., maybe his approach is flawed?) or he needs to get new players who can learn and execute his system. That’s it. Pure and simple.
2) General Manager - Special teams isn’t typically on the field as often or as long on any given game day as the units on offense and defense. However, it’s no less important than either of them. There are three phases to the NFL game. You need to make sure you acquire the right players for all three of them if you plan on being successful, because, on any given Sunday, no matter how well you’ve stocked your offense and defense, either of those units could have a letdown. But, as long as you’ve prepared a decent to good special teams unit, they can still help you win the ball game by providing superior field position, forcing turnovers, and yes…even scoring points. They’re equal parts offense and defense all to the themselves, only condensed down into a single play opportunity. So, you need players who can make the most of that brief appearance on the field. Simply put, you need playmakers. It’s the general manager’s responsibility (as guided by his coaches) to make sure he addresses that need. And, I’d daresay, Marty Hurney hasn’t really done a very good job of that. Instead, he’s seemingly drafted more for depth (on the offense and defense) than potential, perrennial special teams aces like we’ve had in the past (see Bates and Hankton). Maybe that was under Fox’s direction? I don’t know. Regardless, we’ve had a lot of misfires on guys we thought might be our punt returners or kick returners. We used to have a clutch kicker…albeit, one who lost the leg strength to reach the endzone on kickoffs. So, we had to spend another roster postion just to acquire a kickoff specialist. Together, it worked pretty decently, but it came at the expense of the rest of team (i.e., we couldn’t carry an extra DB, LB, WR, O-lineman or D-lineman for depth). And even during that stint, we consistently lacked good tacklers and gunners on special teams. So, any way you slice it, the GM and coaching staff hasn’t made the proper player acquisition a priority on special teams like they have on offense and defense…in my opinion.
3) Players - I actually put a lot more of the blame on the players than just 33%. They’re the ones on the field. They’re the actual professionals attempting to make a career out of football. And they’re the ones that have to execute. So, once they hit the field, the poor performance is ultimately on them. Unfortunately, in this “me first” generation, I think we’ve got more players on special teams that are interested in cracking the starting lineup than they are at being ace special teamers. There really doesn’t seem to be a source of pride in special teams play among these guys…or, at least, it’s not apparent in how they fail to show up on Sundays. You look at a team like Chicago and how much superior special teams play means to them and you wonder why we can’t develop something like that. It’s easy to say they’re successful purely for Devin Hester. But, even when he spends the majority of his time on offense and they put someone else (e.g., Johnny Knox, etc.) back to receive kicks, they still excel. And that’s because, to a man, everyone on that unit wants to be the best. And they block the same and execute the same whether Hester is back there or not…and that’s why the other returners have the same level of success. Our approach, however, has seemingly depended more on finding the “right” return man as if that’s going to spark improved special teams play all on its own. And it won’t. Armanti Edwards, Kealoha Pilares, even Brandon Hogan might be all-world at the KR/PR position. But with the lousy blocking upfront and the penalties for illegal blocks in the back and unnecessary stupidity, we’ll never know.
4) Tackling - Boy are we bad at tackling. I’ve never seen so many bad angles, whiffs, attempted arm tackles, complete fakeouts, and attempts to shoulder into someone rather than wrap them up. It’s not just a problem on special teams. It shows up on the defense a lot, too. Our guys have real problems shedding blocks, both on the D-line and when they get held up in the return game. It kills the ability to fill the gap and cut off run back lanes for the return man (and opposing RBs). And, even when we get a guy in position to make a play (or 4 or 5 in at least one case), all it takes is one missed tackle and the returner is gone. That’s because guys are still focused on engaging an opposing blocker rather than swarming to the ball. Everyone is counting on someone else to make the play rather than all of them moving in to do so. And when they get there, they fail to wrap up so often it infuriates me sometimes while watching them. That’s a fundamental aspect of football on defense and coverage teams. If you can’t get that right, you’re failing at 90% of your job.
5) Blocking - We do a really bad job here, too. When we’re trying to return a punt or kickoff, it’s like all of our blockers can’t find anyone to lock up. There’s usually 3 or 4 guys on the opposing coverage team running free, filling lanes, and swarming to our return man. It’s like no one wants to go out there and put a hat on a hat or de-cleat anyone anymore. And they get fought off really easily or outmaneuvered so they completely lose leverage when trying to hold up someone. Simply put, they look lost. They’re very undisciplined. They may even be undersized in some areas as compared to who they’re taking on. And someone needs to set the bar higher than that. They need to find guys who are capable of playing at a higher level.
6) Focus - This is a big one for me. Part of the reason Mike Goodson isn’t returning kicks anymore is because he just loses focus. We’ve seen fumbles. We’ve seen muffs that bounce right off a guy’s chest and roll forward out of the endzone for 10 yards before he can run and pick it up. We lose patience and commit stupid penalties that negate good runbacks. Guys are just going through the motions. And every week they try to pump up the crowd before a kickoff, then fail to execute because they’re just not dialed in properly on how to execute their assignments. That happened on the first play against the Vikings last week. I remember watching the game and seeing the kickoff team waving their arms to pump up the crowd (or maybe just acknowledging their excitement) and thinking to myself, “You guys better deliver on all that energy you’re using to pump up the crowd, because if you give up another big return, you’re going to suck all the life out of that stadium.” And what did we do? Bam. A 73-yard return. Way to set the tone for the game, special teams. The defense came in to bail you out by holding them to a missed FG. Otherwise, it would have been even worse.
So, unfortunately, I grade the special teams a major “F” for this season…and that’s across the board…the players, the coaches, and even the GM for not performing any of their individual roles adequately enough to enable this team to benefit from the special teams play. Our best friends on coverage right now are the automatic touchback and the fair catch. And our best plays in the return game are taking a knee in the endzone or anything that ensures we secure the ball and give Cam another possession rather than turning it over. We can’t consistently count on them to score or even give us good field position. We only hope they don’t screw up badly enough that they cost us the game. And, unfortunately, on at least a couple occasions this year (Arizona? Chicago? Maybe even Minnesota?), they’ve done exactly that.
So, we need upgrades. We need playmakers. And we need coaches and a GM that can recognize them, specifically for special teams. Otherwise, we’re always going to have an Achilles heel no mater how much effort Cam, Smitty, Shockey/Olsen, and Deangelo/Stewart put forth on offense for us. Or even how much more our play on defense might improve if we didn’t have so many injuries.
But that’s just my two cents,
—Neil
by NSpicer on Nov 2, 2011 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 7 recs
I don't have time to read this block of text, but maybe I'll get around to it later.
Although, I’m sure it’s incredibly informative and a treat. Rec’d anyway, because I know I would if I read it.
by Panthers FTW on Nov 2, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Very nice point about focus.
I do agree with you that the majority of the onus should be on the players. But the question becomes, is it Marty Hurney’s fault of not having good enough (or deep enough) personnel on the field, or is it the ST’s coach for not getting more out of his guys?
I have to disagree with your point about the coaching. A special teams’ scheme is not like an offensive or defensive scheme. It really shouldn’t take very long for the players to adjust to a scheme on ST. It’s not like you’re running different formations or plays. It’s pretty simple. You maintain lanes and tackle, or you block. I’m not saying there aren’t different ways to do those things, because obviously, having a good ST’s coach will help your team. But I just don’t think that the lack of continuity has hurt the special teams at all. In fact, I would say the lack of a decent ST’s coach has hurt this team. If anything, we need less continuity at that position until we find someone that can turn things around.
Amen, Neil.
And rec’d (even though it’s green already).
Ohhhh Michael Bates, how I miss your presence on the roster...
Capable RB? Not really; one of the best return man to touch a football? Youuuu bethca!
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by Tomthehomer on Nov 2, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was pretty sick on a screen or a swing pass, though.
Other than that, nothin’.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 2, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Garcia said he showed up at some reunion weighing about 280.
Interesting that he went from an Olympic sprinter to weighing 280.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He went from Michael Bates to Kathy Bates I see....
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by BW Smith on Nov 2, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
F@ck you for making me picture Kathy Bates. Otherwise funny as hell.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta problem with the way I look?

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Good.
(That part of Misery creeped me the f@ck out. It’s even more brutal in the book.)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
She should have won an Oscar or Acadamy award for that role--if she didn't.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
She won the Oscar and a Golden Globe for that movie.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Oh Annie, Dreamboat Annie
BW’s number 1 fan!
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Please just don't put the 4x4 between my ankles.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No darling...
The 4×4 goes up your @ss.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If by 4x4 you mean her penis
then yes.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 2, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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No...no...not the penis!

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Coach Klein is lucky we're not talking about B Arthur.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Bea Arthur? Outstanding!

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
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by BW Smith on Nov 2, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a pulling-out-my-penis-in-front-of-you-ophobe

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No, no, no.... It's called "hobbling"
ANNIE
Last night it came so clear. I realize you just need more time. Eventually, you’ll come to accept the idea of being here. BW, do you know about the early days at the Kimberly Diamond Mine? Do you know what they did to the native workers who stole diamonds? Don’t worry, they didn’t kill them. That would be like junking a Mercedes just because it had a broken spring — no, if they caught them they had to make sure they could go on working, but they also had to make sure they could never run away. The operation was called hobbling.
And with that, she reaches down out of sight and comes up holding a 16-inch piece of 4 × 4 wood.
BW:
Annie, whatever you’re thinking about, don’t do it.
CUT TO
ANNIE. She wedges the 4 × 4 firmly between his legs, just above the ankles, secures it and adjusts his feet. …
BW:
Why would I run away? I’m a writer, Annie — it’s all I am — and I’ve never written this well — even you said that this is my best, didn’t you?
ANNIE picks up a sledgehammer.
BW:
Didn’t you? Why would I leave a place where I’m doing my best work? It doesn’t make any sense.
ANNIE, positioning herself to the side of his right ankle.
… blah, blah, smash, scream, smash, scream
ANNIE
God, I love you… BW
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
by Rick Bates on Nov 2, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'm officially creeped out now.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
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by The Duke Dude on Nov 3, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you think I feel? :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
well played
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Agreed.
From what little I can remember of him.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Nov 2, 2011 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone remember Winslow Oliver?
I loved him and Bates.
More like $20 worth...
Great thoughts as usual Neil. I particularly agree about the tackling. I’m not sure what our problem is, but it’s poor. I don’t know if it’s because the coaches can’t teach tackling or the players are just too lazy to learn. I really think that if the tackling improves dramatically, we’ll see our ST unit stats start going up and some of these back-breaking plays will go our way for a change.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Nov 2, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Focal points
I have a feeling that our special teams production is significantly effected by how we’ve used our roster spots and practice time. Obviously with new systems on both offense and defense as well as a new QB, emphasis would be placed on getting those phases of the game worked out over the others…hence the role playing second stringers that see the field on defense (injuries also effect this). When we’ve had good ST units its been as a sacrifice of depth for ST gamers, which is simply something we couldn’t afford this year due to the lockout and new systems.
I think we’ll begin to see a marked improvement in ST play as our systems get solidified by next year as long as Chud doesn’t get poached. While ST play has been atrocious, if it was a side effect of the massive offensive focus and turnaround this year, I’ll take it 10 times out of 10.
I agree with ppalm on this 100%. We didn't have the luxury of a returning staff with returning ST players. And,
we didn’t have time to teach them. And then there’s the injuries … excuses are for losers. We need a top-notch ST coach (I recommend Brad Seely from the niners) and a special returner, with experience, either from the draft or FA. That should be all it takes to right the boat and win more games.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
My burning question:
You said we’re 31st in the league in ST play according to PFF. Who the hell is worse than us? How is it possible to be worse than us?
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Nope...they're 27th.
It’s the “Suck for Luck” Colts.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
by BW Smith on Nov 2, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Where the hell do they put all their money?
I mean, I know Manning’s contract is huge, but he doesn’t take up their whole payroll. How the hell have they continued fielding teams with such poor talent surrounding one amazing QB? It continues to amaze me. Even last year you could tell how little talent Peyton had to work with. But he makes it work because he is, by far, the most important player to a given team. (Although, I think Cam ranks pretty high on that list right now too). Think about it. Have they ever had a spectacular RB? I mean Addai was fine, but he was never in contention of being a top 8 RB talent wise IMO. They have never had an elite WR talent. He just makes all of his receivers look amazing. And don’t even get me started on defense. They have Freeney and Mathis. That’s all they’ve ever had. One and a half amazing seasons of Bob Sanders and that’s it. Who in God’s name are they drafting?
Just to add, the amazing thing is that they’re getting 10 times better QB play from Painter than we got from Clausen and we still managed to win 2 games. It looks like they may go winless with the way they’re playing right now.
Only if they try, weally, weally hard.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
They've actually had good RB's in the Manning era
They had Marshall Faulk before they traded him to the Rams, and they had Edgerrin James before he signed with the Cardinals.
But you’re right for the most part — it’s been Peyton Manning and a group of JAGS for years, and they wonder why they’re so terrible now that Peyton isn’t playing.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Meh, I was never really sold on James. Again, I thought his good years were a result of playing on a high powered Manning offense. As for Faulk, did he even play with Manning?
Well, it was his rookie season where they won 3 games.
I wouldn’t exactly say that counts against my argument.
WHAT!?!?!
Edgerrin James was a total beast for 5 of the 7 years he was with Indy. That dude was straight nasty.
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lol
It’s been a while. I remember more about him sucking balls in Arizona than I do of his days at Indy. But you’re right.
He did suck balls in Arizona.
I guess he wasn’t who they thought he was.
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by ALAC on Nov 2, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Well played.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
When it was working it was a thing of beauty to me. - Vagus
(Please note that from now on I shall only refer to Cam as "The Newt" and Rivera as "BAMF")
Jerry Richardson: "Bitch slapping the NFL one signing at a time" - MMA_Pitbull
by The Duke Dude on Nov 2, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He was also awesome in Miami. Edge was supremely talented.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Yeah, Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne just suck
by FF Companion on Nov 2, 2011 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, to be fair about Wayne...
Peyton pretty much turned him from unknown to superstar; willing to bet he’s a JAG WR without Peyton feeding him the ball throughout his career…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
And Steve Smith looked like a WR4 with Clausen in there, what's your point?
by FF Companion on Nov 2, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
That Peyton had a great deal to do with Wayne's success.
Why the tude? No one meant to insult you, Reggie.
Twaa...
LOOK OUT- Perspective change needed
more accurate to say, Painter makes Wayne look like an average receiver, or Clausen makes Smith look like a WR4… sometimes all of the talent in the world can’t mask another’s deficiency…Steve Smith never looks like a WR4 to anyone…buried deep in the rules and regulations…
OK, let's pair Wayne up with someone like sayyy...Kyle Orton
Still willing to bet he becomes a JAG at the WR position
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
You are funny to me
A player drafted in the first round, with over 800 catches, over 11000 yards, 70 TD’s, 7 straight seasons with 1000+ yards, IS NOT just a guy.
But whatever, this isn’t a Colts blog site, I’m done.
A) Pedigree tends not to matter much in regards to receivers (For every Calvin Johnson, there is a Charles Rogers)...
and B) The point is that IMO without Manning, Wayne doesn’t even sniff the stats he has been able to put up in Indy; I’m willing to bet if his fellow Cane Santana Moss and he switched career positions, Moss would be putting up those numbers, and he would not have produced like Moss has in his career situation….
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Reggie Wayne was never really an unknown, He was drafted in the first round
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Nov 2, 2011 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Plenty of WRs get drafted in the first round, but are still unknowns outside of their respective fanbases...
To the average NFL fan, he was pretty unknown until his second season when he solidified as Marvin’s wingman in Indy.
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Wayne? Surely you're not speaking about Reggie 'first round pick' Wayne?
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Honestly, I never thought Harrison was all that talented.
He ran good routes and had good hands, but he was no Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, etc. I truly believe Manning made his career. I think Reggie Wayne is more talented than Harrison was.
He ran good routes and he had good hands......so 90% of what it takes to succeed as a WR in the NFL then.
No he’s not going to beat a CB on a jump ball, but he was quick enough to get deep in a hurry and with a QB as accurate as Manning, the fact that he ran good routes meant that Manning always looked for him.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
kinda like we're seeing with Naane...
except with more drops…
Did you just put Harrison and Naane in the same sentence?!
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
If you were Jim Irsay, and your team was winning 12, 13 games a year...
Would you feel the need to spend more money on contracts? His mistake was thinking that Manning was invincible.
I see several other teams who are in similar positions. The Saints are one. The Pats are turning into another, having lost all the vets on that defense that got them through the Matt Cassel season.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ahhh... love the comment ERL. The Times, They are a'Changing. We're a season away from a complete
dippsy-dooh of who the elite teams are in the NFL. The Panthers will pounce on the opportunity. ROWRRRR!
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
by Rick Bates on Nov 2, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope so cos I'm sick of the Patriots and the Steelers.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Well if you're gonna suck for Luck: go big or go home.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I hate it. It's so damn'd obvious, it's like they don't care that everybody knows. Nothing against the kid (Luck), but
for what Irsay an friends are doing, I hope they suck. Blatant, purposeful suckage is total shit in my book. Some might say this would apply to the Panthers last year… if you do, I’ll be waiting with an onslaught of the differences.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
The Indy Peyton's as I call them
They wouldn’t be sucking with healthy Peyton, end of discussion. He carried them for years, he IS the team. With him AFC south champs, without him, they is what they is. This what happens when one players is your whole team. It only became suck for Luck because Manning went out, otherwise they are at least 4-4.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
OK so I'm getting frustrated
I will always be a Panther fan but I’m getting tired of saying “Just wait till next year.” It gets old after a while. It makes me feel really sorry for Browns fans. I want a winning team and I want it now. Fix the ST and the D and win some ballgames. There have been a lot better teams with a lot less talent than us and they have done great things. I saw some of the worst tackling I have ever seen Sunday against the Vikings. I know he’s Adrian Peterson but if you hit him and wrap him up, he will fall, I promise. I started counting the missed tackles and stopped counting at 75 because I was to pissed off to count anymore. Last year it was “Get us a QB that can score points and we’ll win” and this year we have that QB and it’s “If we didn’t have so many Injurues on Defense we would be winning.” The Packers did it last year with I think 19 players on IR, You need to give me a better excuse than that.
Sorry for the rant guys but, I was the smallest Linebacker in the LEAGUE when I was in H.S. and I led my team in tackles. My father drove the fundamentals of tackling into my brain so hard that dreamed about making clean tackles at night. And I couldn’t make it to a college program cuz I was “to small” and I have to watch these professionals just slide right off of the runners like they are back in Pop Warner or something. I just pisses me off, They need to have a tackling coach working with these guys to teach them how to make a good tackle instead of going for the big hit. Big Hits make highlight reels but good tackles win footbal games.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Nov 2, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You forgot to put the sarcasm font on the "exceeding expectations" option.
"Nobody wants to cheer for a loser". Cam Newton 2011
Linked...
Nice article… I added to the topix.net section for the Carolina Panthers
Talkin about the 3 phases in the game...
with our offense, I’d be happy to just get ONE of the other pases halfway right! We’d win some games then.
Is there any way we can bring Special Teams Specialist Karl Hankton back?
"We've come a long way, and I'm not talking about Virginia Slims, either." - Art Howe
"He's the best tackler I seen since Joe Montana!"

Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
I'm drawing a blank here.
I remember this guy’s name, but I seriously don’t remember him ever doing jack shit on the football field. What am I missing?
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Hankton was an incredible gunner for the Panthers.
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I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 2, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Special teams Captain for four or five years.
Emergency WR. Wore #88.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Special teams ace
Pretty sure he was voted captain at one point.
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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 2, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
THIS JUST IN, Panthers Special teams bus sighting.

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by MrBernz on Nov 2, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Nicely done.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Should add I don’t think we will be seeing JR driving this bus around.
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