Former Panther DT Kris Jenkins Dishes on Career, Panthers
Kris Jenkins has retired now and in broadcasting apparently. I'm hopeful we can hear him announce a Panther game sometime or at least have a guest appearance. That would be interesting I bet. He has published a lengthy piece on his career you can read here.
I was expecting Jenkins to be hard on the Panthers in this extended piece and though he doesn't get into any detail he does give you a favor of what his problems were and why he left. He talks about pain of playing, the injuries and the fact he has no regrets to this day. He then goes into this timeline of 'warnings' a player gets as they transition from college to the Pros. He seems to be suggesting that the warning is basically, "we are trying to control you" type of innuendo.
With regard to his exit in Carolina, here is what he had to say about John Fox:
I went through so much in Carolina, it was ridiculous. People checking up on us in clubs. Concerns with the locker room. John Fox was our coach. He was a big cliché guy. He'd say, do as I say, not as I do.
That didn't make sense to me.
That sure sounds like his issue was with Fox and not the Panther front office. I'm surprised that Jenkins viewed Fox as having a double standard but then again, as I think about it, it is what it is. He dishes on Roger Goodell and his current use of eastern medicine to heal...after the jump...
Jenkins is easily the biggest man I have seen up close. His thighs, waist and upper body were absolutely massive but you could tell is was not fat (well maybe a little). To hear him talk about the constant pain he played through and say the biggest hit he ever took was from RB Edgerrin James is amazing.
But one Panther did impress Jenkins:
I saw [the former Panthers linebacker] Dan Morgan go through the head injuries. If anybody I played with hit harder than me, it was Morgan. That man was a monster.
Unfortunately, he paid the price.
Here's what Jenkins has to say about Goddell and his attempts at reducing injuries:
What you hear from guys like Ray Lewis, James Harrison, what they're saying is we're well aware what we're signing up for. The violence, we love it. The madness, we love it. We love measuring ourselves in it.
Those guys express themselves with their pads. You soften the game, you're taking away their freedom of expression. Nobody wants to see flag football, and now, you might as well give guys flags, tell them to hug afterward, all that.
Jenkins finishes talking more about the toll of the game on a lineman's body and how he wants to open a camp for big men to prepare them for the NFL.
The first thing I did when I retired was I went to a health store. I believe in Eastern medicine. I literally bought a whole bunch of roots. My life is too important. My family is too important.
I want to get into public speaking, maybe put together a camp, for big guys, linemen in particular. Nobody prepares linemen for what will happen. Someone should.
So he wants teams to have an acupuncturist on staff? Eastern roots in the locker room? Post game eye of newt tea? Yeah that's why the Panthers are having so many injuries, they aren't using acupuncture and healing potions. Too funny.
Overall it's a decent piece but I was hoping for a little more insight on his time in Carolina. I wonder if had a good time at any point? I wonder what his relationship was with Julius Peppers. Did he tell Peppers to leave too? I realize that is all water under the bridge but I'm just wondering what his perspective was.
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IIRC he said he just didn't fit in too well with how the coaching staff "monitored" things...
specifically, he mentioned Mike Minter and Mike Rucker as "kiss-asses’ or something to that effect; IDK when I heard him give that interview, he sounded more like someone who just didn’t handle authority too well in general…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
Although I liked what he had to say about Turf and whatnot
definitely agree with Jenkins on the training stuff and the issues associated with turf; football needs to be played outdoors, on grass, rain sleet or shine (except lightning lol)! Also, dead on about the importance of interior lineman…
Nobody fucks with the Jesus! -Big Lebowski
by Tomthehomer on Nov 19, 2011 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually thought his mentality regarding alternative health/training methods was rather fascinating.
I wouldn’t dismiss acupuncture, eastern medicine etc. as a punchline. We Americans are often so quick to write off anything that we didn’t invent as silly or beneath us, but I for one would very much welcome some outside-the-box thinking when it comes to this team’s strength & condiitioning tactics. We certainly couldn’t be doing much worse in the injury prevention department.
btw, I loved the piece; thanks for the link. I’ve always been a big fan of Jenkins (aside from a brief period of his career when he talked his way out of Carolina), and I think he’s in a great place now as far as life after football. I’m absolutely thrilled for him.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! I mean, assuming the lockout will end anytime soon...
Biyombo fo...ah who am I kidding? GO PANTHERS!
I didn't mean to sound like I don't believe that stuff works...
But I can’t imagine it would help a lot in the magnitude of the beating the players take.
I agree that it may not help "a lot"...
but even if it would provide some small measure of improvement in our injury streak, I say go for it.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! I mean, assuming the lockout will end anytime soon...
Biyombo fo...ah who am I kidding? GO PANTHERS!
A Lot Of It Is If You Believe In It, Then It Works
Around 20 years or so ago, I even heard a doctor who was in a prison camp treating people, with no medicine at all, but he just had clean fresh water, and that was all he have to give anyone. He said he was totally shocked at how many people fully recovered from all different types of illinesses.
by PanthersRoar on Nov 20, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, no "it" doesn't work
People may experience a strong placebo effect, but accupuncture, homeopathy, and so-called eastern medicine has no real value. That fact can’t logically be denied. The scientific method is really very simple. If a treatment is effective it is fairly simple to prove with double-blIndex studies. I prefer medicine that doesn’t require “belief,” but relies on science and proven results. But hey, Jenkins has a right to give his money away to whomever he wants.
by cj5 on Nov 19, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry about the typos
I’m typing this on an iPhone, and my fingers are too big for these tiny buttons. Oh, and the Chimay Grande Reserve may have something to do with it, too.
by cj5 on Nov 19, 2011 11:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounding like a Western man
Lol I don’t think the scientific method has ever proven that eastern medicine does not work. Eastern medicine has some truth to it just like western
by jayj55405 on Nov 19, 2011 11:30 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions 1 recs
There has never been a single double-blinded peer reviewed study that showed any effects at all, other than the nearly imperceptible effect that could be contributed to placebo or pure chance, in any accupuncture, homeopathy, reflexology, etc. Never. Anybody can believe whatever they want, but when it comes to my health and my money, I prefer proof rather than unproven claims. I couldn’t care less about where a medicine comes from, I care about whether it works, and if it works it will show positive effects in a real study. Sorry to go on a bit of a rant, but this stuff irritates the crap out of me. It’s usually harmless, and I don’t care what Kris Jenkins does with his time and money, but this crap can sometimes lead to real problems. Like the anti-vaccination nonsense that has been spread by in knowledgable celebrities, or true believer parents that let their children die rather than receive medical treatment.
by cj5 on Nov 19, 2011 11:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m not saying everyone should dump their doctor and buy some needles, but I have access to peer reviewed journal databases as a grad student and it took me no time to find examples of quantitative medical research supporting acupuncture. Double-blind studies are ones in which both the subjects and the administrators of the tests are unaware of the manipulated variables. These aren’t double-blind studies because this isn’t a pill you can simply replace with a placebo unbeknownst to the participating researchers. Sorry, but to say that promotion of eastern medicine leads to things like parents letting their children die is incredibly ignorant.
by jcbouche on Nov 20, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have had numerous knee surgeries
Honestly the only thing I have found over the years that effectively helps me live normally is accupuncture amd some herbal things, not the one everyone is thinking of. Not all of it works but some does. I know the difference on medicine and snake oil. Just remember most medicines are taken from plants then synthesized.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Nov 20, 2011 9:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
My last post on the subject...
Sorry to completely derail this forum guys, I shouldn’t post after drinking. I will respond to the above post, though. I’d be interested to see any study that can hold up to peer review that proves acupuncture is good for anything other than a mild placebo effect. It would be interesting because unless one has sprung up in the last few months, they simply don’t exist. You can find many studies that claim to prove the effectiveness of acupuncture, but none of them stand up to peer review. The most positive study on the subject that I’ve ever read was able to claim a mild placebo effect in the treatment of pain, but this effect was the same when the needles were place by a trained acupuncturist in the “correct” places as it was when the needles were placed in random spots on the body (when the person receiving acupuncture didn’t know anything about the “correct” spots for the needles). And its true that you can’t really set up a true double-blinded study of acupuncture. I should have worded that statement better. Double-blinded studies are available, and have been done, on all kinds of herbal, homeopathic, etc. remedies, and they invariably show no positive effect.
As to your last comment, please read my previous post again. I didn’t try to claim that anyone who tries eastern medicine has blood on their hands. I said that it can sometimes lead to terrible situations. Way too often their are stories in the news about children ( and adults) who die miserable deaths from treatable diseases because they chose prayer or an alternative medicine as opposed to science-based medicine. That is a fact. I said that is sometimes happen. That is an accurate statement. I didn’t make any broad generalizations, so where exactly was I displaying “incredible ignorance?”
So, yeah, when someone takes an alternative medicine or goes in for acupuncture, their brain may produce a minor placebo effect. That’s fine for minor pains, headaches, etc. If they have the money to spend on this stuff and its not endangering their health or their families health…more power to them.
Here are a couple of good links dealing with this stuff. theness.com/neurologicblog is great for scientific, reason-based examinations of all of this kind of stuff. And a good little write up on the origin of the eastern medicine phenomena in the western world is at http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4259.
With that, I’m done. I’m going to the store for a twelve pack of Newcastle and getting ready for the game. Maybe I’ll pick up a voodoo doll while I’m out and see if I can slow down Suh et. al. a little bit. I have a bad feeling that Cam may need all the placebo-produced pain relief he can get this afternoon! Hopefully the Panthers snap back from last week.
hah you’re much more reasonable sounding today, blame it on the Chimay. I am equally skeptical about many homeopathic remedies, however acupuncture is quite different and it was your inclusion of this as a strictly placebo treatment that I took issue with. I know quite a few people who have used acupuncture for different reasons and with varying levels of success. One member of my family was able to cease a lifetime of expensive chiropractic treatments and medications for chronic back pain once he began a monthly acupuncture regimen. There are plenty of similar stories if you talk to other acupuncture patients. As for peer reviewed studies, there were a couple I found quite easily:
Leong, C. P., & Su, T. Y. (2003). Clinical trial of acupuncture for patients with spinal cord injuries. American Journal of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation, 82(1),
The improvement of sensory scores (pinprick and light touch) was only found in the acupuncture group. The outcome of the acupuncture group showed significant improvement over those in the control group. There were also significant differences of all items and ASIA impairment scales, with better outcomes for the acupuncture group. Conclusion: The SCI patients who received acupuncture therapy have had better improvements in motor, sensory, FIM scores, bladder and bowel control, as well as the grades of ASIA classification.
Williamson, L., Wyatt, M. R., & Melton, J. K. (2007). Severe knee osteoarthritis: a randomized controlled trial of acupuncture, physiotherapy (supervised exercise) and standard management for patients awaiting knee replacement. Rheumatology, 46(9),
There was no baseline difference between groups. At 7 weeks, there was a 10% reduction in OKS in the acupuncture group which was a significant difference between the acupuncture and the control group
This one admits that there were no long term differences, however the acupuncture eased short-term pain while rehabilitating. This is very helpful for athletes.
Since you asked, when I spoke of ignorance, I was referring to your comment:
this crap can sometimes lead to real problems. Like the anti-vaccination nonsense that has been spread by in knowledgable celebrities, or true believer parents that let their children die rather than receive medical treatment.To say that when generally referring to alternative medicine such as acupuncture is, in my opinion, ignorant, but that’s ok. I’ve been up since 6 drinking coffee and writing a paper, can you tell? We’re all on the same side here today, go Panthers!
Wait...
The Placebo Effect:
“The physician’s belief in the treatment and the patient’s faith in the physician exert a mutually reinforcing effect; the result is a powerful remedy that is almost guaranteed to produce an improvement and sometimes a cure.” — Petr Skrabanek and James McCormick, Follies and Fallacies in Medicine, p. 13.
So belief in the system (whether or not it has been proven in a double-blind, peer-reviewed, thrice published, battle-hardened, mother-approved test) can actually lead to improved health. The Placebo Effect alone demonstrates how you could improve your health through some mental capacity…and Eastern Medicine is all about being “balanced” or in a controlled mental state. I would so the two correlate with one another.
I’m not advocating either approach, but before you dismiss another culture’s medicinal methodology maybe you should look at all of the side effects caused by the plethora of pills that our Docs prescribe to us. Then, go and research all of the pills that it will take to counteract those side effects. Maybe you can have a surgery with a 60% success rate to fix you up too, or deal with some other form of treatment that will eventually kill you or cause more harm than good.
Fact is, no method is perfect, and our modern version of medical practice, with all of the science and self-importance, tends to dismiss itself about once every few years. So what is “right” today, may just be “wrong” tomorrow. So maybe we could look where we put our money too, while our Docs drive away in Beamers. Just saying…
by LuvMeSomePanthers! on Nov 20, 2011 2:21 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Alternative Medicine
I’m an anaesthetist (or ‘anesthesiologist’ to you lot in the US), and former Emergency Dr so hopefully I know a little of what I’m talking about..
Placebo effect is very real and well documented; the basic standard of any treatment to show efficacy is that it is better than placebo – after all, anyone can sell you a sugar pill and tell you it’ll make you better (in however flowery a way they wish to). No-one should dismiss the placebo effect, but at the same time it’s important to realise that it alone ain’t gonna repair your knee ligaments or cure your pneumonia.
Now, some alternative therapies are known to have efficacy. Acupuncture is a good example – I’ve seen it used by mainstream pain physicians here in the UK (on the NHS). Furthermore, we think we know WHY it works. The key is to recognise what it can and can’t do. It may help with pain. It won’t cure anyone’s cancer.
Osteopathy is another example of something that works when applied to the right things – indeed, it has practically shed the ‘alternative’ label.
However there is much out there that really is no better than placebo. Homeopathy is my favourite, as it really is rubbish but such grandiose claims are made for it. It has simply never stood up to proper scientific method – the double-blind RCTs as mentioned above. And because it is about pills/liquid, these are easy trials to do. But think about it – giving someone water with the ‘memory’ of something? What?
What gives many of these practices bad names is that many (of course, not all) of their practitioners prey on the vulnerable and gullible, usually for financial gain and sometimes leading them away from tberapies that actually can help.
It’s very trendy to be cynical about ‘western’ medicine, I understand that, especially because it is not infallible. The fact is, physiology varies. But new treatments have to undergo rigorous trials and safety checks and the training is long and arduous. This is because we wish to get it right. By all means go for alternative medicine as well, but do it with your eyes open and use the appropriate therapy for the condition.
Finally it is disingenous to say no-one has died. We’ve seen measles outbreaks where rates of vaccination have been low following the MMR scare, and children have died or been left severely disabled. Here in the UK the courts have had to intervene in cases where parents deny their kids cancer treatment because they wish to rely on homeopathy (an adult can, of course, just decide to do this for themselces). We know the pleural of anecdote is not data, but still.
Sorry for the essay but I felt it was important to explain this properly. Also apologies to the lack of studies but I’m on my phone and it wouldn’t cope with that.
Go Panthers!
by rassling on Nov 20, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks...this is one aspect of the blog that always amazes me
No matter what tangent from football we seem to get off on we always have at least one person (many times several) who’s a subject matter expert on the topic. I learn a lot about football from members on this site…and learn even more about other stuff I had no clue on…thx!
Also, I wish I had a fancy Beamer. One day, maybe, if I’m good…
by rassling on Nov 20, 2011 9:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great post
And if doctors like yourself and the ones who saved my premature daughter’s life want to drive a Beamer, I’d say you’ve earned it! And yes, GO PANTHERS!
by cj5 on Nov 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Practice in the US
More profitable ;)
by LuvMeSomePanthers! on Nov 20, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions

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