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Losses of Otah and Davis could Hinder Panthers Future Plans

When I casually ask people what positions the Panthers need to focus on in the offseason, I generally hear the usual "second wide receiver opposite Steve Smith", "shutdown corner", or "dominating defensive tackle".  I rarely ever hear "future left tackle" or "forceful outside linebacker".  Yet these are perhaps two of our bigger needs.  Of course you can argue the need for a WR, CB, and DT, but these are also positions in which we have plenty of young talent.

Our 4th round pick last draft, CB Brandon Hogan of West Virginia, has yet to play a down.  Once thought to be a fringe first round pick, character concerns and injuries issues lowered his stock.  He could be a shutdown corner.  Darius Butler has also played fairly well in spurts and Captain Munnerlyn would be ideal for covering quicker slot receivers.  CB is a position that has a lot of top talent, but could be a reach for a top 10 pick.  Position could be better addressed again in later rounds.

Our two picks in the 3rd round were both defensive tackles, Terrell McClain of South Florida and Sione Fua of Stanford.  The organization certainly is not giving up on two rookies after just one year.  It is extremely difficult for two rookies to come in and start right away alongside one another, but it’s also hard not to notice how often McClain gets into the backfield and Fua draws double teams. Throw in second year player Andre Neblett and, hopefully, the return of Ron Edwards, the Panthers might be able to afford another year of evaluation here.  Like CB, DT may have to be addressed in the 2nd round or later.

 

The Panthers currently carry six wide receivers on their roster but only use three of them.  Brandon LaFell is like Darius Butler on offense.  He has not dropped a single pass all year, and made several great plays (most notably his 44 yard reception on 4th and long late in the 4th quarter against the Vikings, although if only he had enough to speed to score…), but often disappears during games.  Granted this could be on the play-calling; no way to know for sure.  Kealoha Pilares, Armanti Edwards, and Seyi Ajirotutu only contribute on special teams, but I like Pilares’ potential to do some damage out of the slot.  I would not be surprised to see our offense utilize him more down the stretch to see what he is capable of.  WR is also a position that may have good free agents in the offseason, notably Dwayne Bowe and Vincent Jackson.  Jackson is extremely intriguing since he played with Offensive Coordinator Chudzinski as lately as last season.  Unless we are extremely enamored with Justin Blackmon or Alshon Jeffrey in the draft, I see us going elsewhere.

 

This brings me to the main point of the article.  I do not see OT Jeff Otah and OLB Thomas Davis sticking around after the season.  Their financial commitment is too great to offset their injury problems.  These two are dominating forces on the field, but they can’t seem to ever get on it.  Davis is working on his third straight ACL tear while Otah has faced a myriad of injuries, from concussions to back strains to an ACL tear of his own.  Watching this past week’s game against Tennessee, these two positions were terrible.  The offensive line has played well most of the season, but the linebacking core is really banged up.  It makes you wonder how much Jordan Gross has left in the tank.

We are a rebuilding team right now with QB Cam Newton the focal point of the future.  Newton should be here and be our QB for the next 15 years if everything goes according to plan.  Will Gross be here for the next 15 years?  Absolutely not.  We very easily may have to replace both tackles.  Byron Bell is not bad for an undrafted rookie.  His run blocking is fantastic, but his pass blocking is suspect.   He could develop into a decent right tackle.  However blocking Cam’s blindside, we may need to find an entirely new alternative.  In a year where we are 2-7, it may be our best option to get that future LT now before we start becoming a decent team and will be a tough position 5 years from now when Gross needs to be replaced.  This year are a few options, most notably C Ryan Kalil’s little brother Matt Kalil from USC, who should be a top 5 pick.  Stanford tackle Jonathon Martin has also been given that future LT label (makes Andrew Luck look good) and should be a top 10 pick.

When it comes to linebackers, it’s harder to see the future.  We have an absolute stud in the middle in Jon Beason, and a more than capable backup behind him in Dan ConnorJames Anderson has also started to find his own on the strongside.  However, it seems like every year we are trying to plug in holes where Davis should be and are stuck with mediocre talent.  It may be for the lack of Beason, but when opponents run off tackle or stretch plays, the linebackers take way too long to get to the hole or get caught up in a block (especially evident against Washington before Hightower left the game).  Davis was that explosive linebacker that would hit that hole hard with Beason alongside him.  It would be ideal if we could replace him with similar talent.  A LB that has that potential is Vontaze Burfict of Arizona State, a former top recruit in the country.  This might be a player we target if we string together a few wins down the stretch and end up with a draft pick outside the top 10.

There is a reason the Panthers are 2-7 right now.  I personally believe it falls on the defense.  We just lack playmakers there.  We struggle to force turnovers or come up with key stops.  All three levels could easily be upgraded.  Our offense has been spectacular so far, save for last week.  If we spend early picks on the offense, I hope it is with an eye toward the future.  We could use a WR, OT, OLB, and CB, but in what order?  What is our biggest need going into the offseason?  Or should we let the rest of the season play out first before we start discussing how to improve the team?  Voice your opinion.

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Otah is schedule to make $1.2 million next year

, that’s not hurting the cap. As for TD, time to move on. BPA in every round of need.

by adam carter on Nov 18, 2011 6:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great write up.

I think Kalil is a real nugget and we’l probably take him if given the shot. I’d like to see the WLB addressed first. Beason will most definitely be back, and TD can;t be considered anything other than a pipe dream at this point.

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by Panther Fan in GA on Nov 18, 2011 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

Agree and rec'd PR. Also rec'd the post bbersin... I've posted essentially the same argument before.

OT is the biggest need, and WLB is a close 2nd. This is a strong year for both positions in the draft, but the OTs at the top have ‘elite’ potential. I don’t agree about Burfict, only because we need a better speed/cover guy at the WLB spot.
You will never get people to move off of the sexier WR/CB picks, no matter how much logic and common sense is applied. But, I’m with you guys (for now).

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 19, 2011 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Plus Burfict is coo coo for Coco Puffs

A safety would be nice in the first 2 rounds as well assuming one fits into the BPA unless we have luck here in FA.

by Panthster on Nov 19, 2011 6:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I Just Saw A OLB With Great Stats Today, 23.5 TFL's & 12.5 Sacks, Who May Be Available In The Late Rounds

It’s Houston’s Sammy Brown (6-2, 240, 4.67-40), currently ranked as the 274th best player in the draft by nfldraftscout.com, and not ranked yet by walterfootball.com or profootballweekly.com.

I know Houston doesn’t have a good defense, but Brown’s size, speed, and production make him sound like a perfect 4-3 SLB, a real bargain that late in the draft.

by PanthersRoar on Nov 20, 2011 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I think both stay

Whether or not will pick up a replacement is another story. Otah isn’t due much money and he is a great RT so he’s worth keeping around. Davis is due a lot of money but he said he’s willing to renegotiate to stay. Even if he only returns 75% he’s still a great player plus he is a leader of the defense and a teacher to the young players. I hope both comeback and get healthy.

by pcroadrage on Nov 18, 2011 9:45 PM EST reply actions  

LT makes so much sense

I like the idea of a T over an OLB. As much as our D needs strengthening, which it needs in spades, with the potential moves to 3-4 D, then the type of OLB may need to be different. No matter the scheme if you have a right hand QB, like we do, you need an outstanding LT.
Kalil will always be a fit, a super fast OLB may be of less value in a 3-4, compared to a bigger stronger OLB

by West Aussie Lyall on Nov 18, 2011 10:01 PM EST reply actions  

however BPA is always better than need, especially in the 1st round. When they match up great but is not always essential

by West Aussie Lyall on Nov 18, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Kalil is the top guy on my board

but after him i dont like the OT prospects. He’s the only one worth drafting top 5 IMO. I dont see it as a HUGE need as i think Otah will be back and Bell will get better (not great mind you). If Kalil is available then he is just too good to pass up. If he’s gone though i would go Blackmon, Brown, or Claiborne (or trade back if possible)

by pcroadrage on Nov 18, 2011 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think management had a plan

He wasnt IR level injured. He was capable of playing at least half of our remaining games. i think they put him on IR so he could finally get healthy. this way he could take extra time to focus on his health and be able to comeback 100% (or close to it)

by pcroadrage on Nov 19, 2011 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I think too

Because I don’t think the situation changed throughout the year. I just think they took the safe route by shitting him down. That way, he can rest it for the remainder of the season and then use the offseason to get back into football shape. I’d rather them do this than have him play through pain all season, rest in the offseason and get out of shape, and then we’re back to square one when next season starts.

And I know from experience that knee injury pain just lingers until you completely shut it down for a while.

by JDeLong42 on Nov 19, 2011 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you guys are right.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 19, 2011 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Except the part about "shitting him down." LOL /jk

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 19, 2011 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha oops

Chrome’s spellcheck didn’t even underline it

by JDeLong42 on Nov 19, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I also know about this from experience.

My senior year in highschool i pulled by quad. it should have only taken 2-3 weeks to fully heal but i never sat out and it never healed right. It plagued me for the rest of the season and i was never at 100%. it wasnt until after the season that i got to rest it, but from sitting around i got out of shape. point is that you are better off taking care of injuries sooner rather than later.

by pcroadrage on Nov 19, 2011 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what happened to my knee

I dislocated my kneecap playing basketball and tore up the cartilage. I only stopped playing for a week or so. I didn’t let it heal enough and it my kneecap popped out again and now me knee is permanently damaged. So I like seeing the Panthers taking the safe route with Otah.

by JDeLong42 on Nov 20, 2011 1:02 AM EST up reply actions  

One of the reasons I think T is needed over OLB

Is the fact that so many teams run 3 WR sets. The times of actually having 3 LBs on the field at the same time are greatly decreasing. I’m good rolling with Beason and Anderson for most of our plays.

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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Why do so many people buy into the shutdown corner thing? We already have one. His name is Chris Gamble.

by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 18, 2011 11:28 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

No team in the league has two shutdown corners.

by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 19, 2011 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The Jets have Revis, and Cromartie, who is pretty good in his own right.

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by Son of a Newton on Nov 19, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Cromartie’s good, but he’s not shutdown like Revis or Gamble.

by SlayerGhaleon on Nov 19, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

True but, he could be a #1 CB on almost any team in the league.

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by Son of a Newton on Nov 19, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

To me...

The problem with our corners is lack of safety support. Watch the safties this weekend. Sherod is always out of position and tackles like my kid sister. He can catch, but thats it. Megatron is going to eat him alive. Godfrey has some decent games, but he hits like a little cornerback not like a safety. We need a prob owler here.

by Panthster on Nov 19, 2011 6:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

In defense of Godfry, he was a CB when we drafted him

He doesn’t wiff off of tackles. His problem is actually the opposite, he lowers his head and goes for the knockouts. this leads to him not wrapping up. In coverage i would say Godfry is above average. Overall I like him a lot but he needs more discipline. Martin has been disappointing. He still looks like a rookie at times. He flashes greatness but too often misses his assignment and looks lost. It might be the new scheme and lockout but at this point in the season it is unacceptable. overall i like our safeties but both could use improvement. The good news is that they are both young and should improve.

by pcroadrage on Nov 19, 2011 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Godfrey hits like a safety ... I don't know what you're watching.

To me, it still comes back to the LB corps being decimated. Safeties have to respect play-action too much, and can’t get into position to make plays on the ball. Just my opinion.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 20, 2011 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

godfrey deserved the extention imo

sherrod martin is a real problem however.

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by Shockers on Nov 21, 2011 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

After this week's game, I have to agree, Shockers. Martin isn't adapting well to this point.

He’d better get it together, or he’ll be outa heah. RivEra called him out on the Megatron catch that I think lost the game for the Panthers.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 22, 2011 8:06 PM EST up reply actions  

this.

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I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 23, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

he'll be losing a step in a couple of years

chris is no spring chicken

YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR ME

by revdwl34 on Nov 19, 2011 12:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Corners can play at a high level well past their "prime"

Champ Bailey is 33, Charles Woodson is 35, Ty Law played until he was 35, Deion played until he was 37.

Of course that’s just a few examples, but CB is a spot where a player can still be effective well past his prime and Gamble is just 28. He’s got another good five years in him, I’d guess.

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by Jake Humphrey on Nov 19, 2011 7:35 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

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by Shockers on Nov 21, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

THIS

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by BW Smith on Nov 19, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

This needs to be rec'd.

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I do it awesomely.

by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 23, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i was trying so hard to not think about losing TD and otah

and you have to go write this article, rats

YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR ME

by revdwl34 on Nov 19, 2011 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

IMO Its Kalil or trade down

Here’s my draft board for the panthers
-Kalil
-Brown
-Claiborne
-Thompson
-Blackmon
-Kirkpatrick
-Jeffrey

by rscott94 on Nov 19, 2011 12:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Can we trade Connor already?

I really think the guy is overrated. I remember people we talking about him being worth a 3rd round pick? if that’s the case I wouldn’t hesitate.

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by CamNewtonSBMVP on Nov 19, 2011 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

Won't have to...

 He’s a FA at the end of the year.

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by Kris Mynatt on Nov 19, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we can bring Otah back, and TD has already said that he is willing to restructure his contract.

In the draft, I say we should go BPA (not QB). If we are drafting in the top 5 (right now we’re at 4th.) then, we really can’t afford to bring in someone who won’t contribute right away. We need someone who can assuage future needs at their position, and bring an impact right from the get-go, whether it be Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne, etc…

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by Son of a Newton on Nov 19, 2011 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

TD and Otah

I hate it for TD that he got his injury and no doubt has had more bad luck that any player I can remember in a long time and you can’t play with a torn ACL. Jeff Otah for that matter is a lazy fat slob and just wants a pay day and has sat for some of the smallest of nicks and bruises. He is a big ole puss. Take your non playing ass away from Charlotte.

by Spartanburg Fan on Nov 20, 2011 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

Great read

I do agree with our needs, I just rank linebacker first and 2nd receiver second. Linebacker through the draft, receiver through free agency. Wishful thinking though.

by Ehimere Etomi on Nov 25, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

if were at anything higher than the 3rd pick in the draft kalil isnt gonna be available. and OLB is more of a need. although i dont buy into zach brown. i think kirkpatrick a 6’3 CB will fit us better.IMO i say draft kirkpatrick in the 1st and hope for Burfict in the second and if he isnt available a guy like Ronnell lewis (6’2,245lbs and runs a 4.5 sec. 40) or Chase Thomas from stanford will be.. otah will be back , bell is not a bad backup and the 4th round pick could be used for Mike Ryan an OT from connecticut…. i dont think there is alot of starting talent in this draft at OLB. Kirkpatrick is a can’t miss pick

by tvillemadness04 on Nov 26, 2011 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

I'm not so sure about that...
if were at anything higher than the 3rd pick in the draft kalil isnt gonna be available.

It depends on who’s ahead of us. Colts, Dolphins, Redskins, and/or Seahawks will be looking QB. Vikings and Browns would probably go WR. I don’t know where the Cardinals would be looking; maybe CB. I’m pulling for the Rams to just win baby.

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.

by Rick Bates on Nov 26, 2011 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

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