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Panthers Smith Accused of Cheap Shot

CHARLOTTE, NC - NOVEMBER 13: Tennessee Titans head coach Mike Munchak (right) shakes hands with Carolina Panthers head coach Ron Rivera at the end of the game at Bank of America Stadium on November 13, 2011 in Charlotte, North Carolina.  The Titans defeated the Panthers 30-3.  (Photo by Brian A. Westerholt/Getty Images)

We all witnessed one of Panthers WR Steve Smith's lowest points towards the end of the Titans game when he got chippy with Titans DB Alterraun Verner. Smith got flagged for holding on the play that then turned into a scrum between the two players. Here's how Verner described it:

Carolina Panthers WR Steve Smith was accused of taking a cheap shot in Week 10 against the Tennessee Titans. "He was frustrated, and he took a cheap one at me," Titans CB Alterraun Verner said. "He kind of clothes-lined me and threw me on the ground. I don't even know what all went down. Someone told me tried to sock me when I was on the ground."

There were three personal fouls called in the last two minutes including one on LT Jordan Gross that was offset by a similar call against Titan Will Hayes. The point being it was the culmination of a lot of emotion by the Panthers who were clearly frustrated by the outcome of the game. So do you believe Smith was at fault in this or was it the Titans who were egging it on? 

You might recall Smith later got real testy with Scott Fowler in the locker room and even called himself a 'thug':

Me: Steve, what happened at the end of the game?

Smith: You saw it. You're going to write about it. You write, Scott.

Me: I don't know what the ...

Smith: I don't really care, Scott. That's how I feel right now. I feel like crap. I'm not going to sit here and explain, I'm not going to apologize. This is me.

I wouldn't call that a very professional response to a guy just trying to do his job. I can;t say Fowler was out of line since he never even finished his question. 

Well HC Ron Rivera has now weighed in on it, which we will discuss after the jump (with a fan poll)

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"To me, this is professional football," Rivera continued. "Act like a professional on the football field whether you're winning or you're losing. And that really bothers me. It really does. Because this game is about competition and competing and being the best, it's not about all that other stuff that goes on. That's a bunch of bull. It really is. There should be more pride in winning and losing than I saw yesterday from both teams."

I couldn't say it any better, be a professional whether you win or lose. Rivera goes on to say he was not upset at Jordan Gross because he was defending a teammate:

"We did have an incident where one of our players did get hit from behind and another player defended him," Rivera said. "Those things I can live with. The other ones I don't. Those are the things I disagree with."

More proof for me we have our coach and that Rivera will turn this thing around in due time. He has the right mentality and focus to get it done, he just needs to continue to instill this level professionalism that will bring confidence and I think, victories. 

So what you think of Steve Smith after his 'cheap shot' and does it change your opinion of Smith?

Poll
Based on the supposed cheap shot by Steve Smith does that change your view of him?
Nope, still the greatest Panther of all time
362 votes
No because I always thought he had a big mouth
192 votes
Yes, I lost a little respect for the guy but still like him
28 votes
Yes he has proven he is a 'thug' (his words)
17 votes

599 votes | Poll has closed

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He is who we thought he was.

Smith is going to be Smith. He hates losing, he hates not performing up to his expectations he sets for himself. We have seen this the last two years with the low production from Smith and the Panthers. I take the good with the bad. I agree with Rivera completely. Be a professional. Unfortunately the competitive nature of Smith leads to these kind of displays when things with the team and him are going badly. You take the good with the bad. He is still my favorite Panther.

by sgtx on Nov 15, 2011 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Is there any video of this cheap shot?

I don’t like going off the word of the guy that got hit, when he says he doesn’t even know what happened.

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 9:21 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

BTW, I voted #1

Still the greatest of all time. Although I am not sure if he is the greatest of all time, but he certainly is in the top few.

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Smith did not get personal foul called either

I’ll have to review the tape to see it again but my thought at the time was Smith was over the top in his block

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by Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the nfl needs to start a ufc/nfl division.

Let the players that have a problem on the field settle it in the octagon…..

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

Like most pro sportsmen they probably can't fight.

I’ve mentioned this before, but I got into a fight with a much bigger guy who played rugby for my university (i.e. at a pretty high amateur level). He couldn’t fight for toffee though.

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by OldhamA on Nov 15, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL, thats what would make it interesting.

2 scrubs duking it out in the octagon. Its like a street fight not people that were training for their entire life to fight.

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly and street fights suck.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I like watching them.

You should search for some Kimbo Slice videos, he was a street fighter & they are entertaining.

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I've seen them, they're just brutal.

"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury

by OldhamA on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

On the street Kimbo is a beast....

in the ring professionally…. not so much!(though I’d never want to get punched by the guy) =)

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Kimbo got owned by a dude with pink hair (or was it purple)

not that both couldn’t my old ass…but for all build up given to Kimbo when he hit MMA and dudes that fight for a living he fell flat. Seems I remember his son crying in the stands when Kimbo got knocked out. Saw that video on KSK.

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by Jaxon on Nov 15, 2011 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

They tried to build him up but

you can’t come off the streets and compete with people that have been studying martial arts for their whole lives.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Kimbo was used to

if you knock some1 down you wait for them t oget up. He had zero ground experience.

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Exactly!

"When you do something you love you don't have to work a single day in your life... I still haven't worked a single day in my life!" ~Carlos Santana

by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea

Calling his debut into MMA a failure is a HUGE understatement.

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivera hit the nail on the head really.

The Titans were clearly jawing after their win. Our team was clearly frustrated. Both showed a lack of class as a result.

He’s also right with the Ditka reference: if you are frustrated, don’t just punch the guy, beat him legally. I do love Smith’s passion, but what he did at the end of the game was pathetic. At least Gross was defending a teammate.

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by OldhamA on Nov 15, 2011 9:25 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

G.P.O.A.T.

True story.

Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY! I mean, assuming the lockout will end anytime soon...
Biyombo fo...ah who am I kidding? GO PANTHERS!

by Newsinz on Nov 15, 2011 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

If we're gonna dog Smith for being unprofessional in losing

then let’s not forget that Newton refused the help of his own teamates more than once to get off the ground. You’re the field general, like it or not and the big “C” on your jersey or not as you go so does your team.

I love these guys but we have two of the games best that need to suck it up and stop pouting like a couple of five year olds when stuff doesn’t go their way.

As far as the Titans, Cortland Finnegan is the defensive captain. That alone tells me how they want their D to operate. The Titans, including their coach, go walking off the field at halftime before the flag that was thrown was assessed. As someone in the stands it came across to me as “Screw it, we’ve got you beat, we don’t care about that flag or if it’s assessed on this field goal”. They’re a disrespectful team from the top down and whatever Smith dished the guy probably had it coming.

Maybe the “You gotta give me a number” bit from Assholebeck regarding Big Money really was contemptuous.

by Swamp Panther on Nov 15, 2011 10:10 AM EST reply actions  

Finnegan and Verner are outstanding corners. Just a frustrating loss for our guys.

It doesn’t bother me about Smith, I’m not even sure why Rivera made a comment about it. I don’t care what Smith said to Fowler either. Our guys got schooled and they are pissed about it, big deal.

by jdough on Nov 15, 2011 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually I lost a little respect for Scott Fowler

He is interviewing a guy who just got his tail handed to him. Steve Smith didn’t berate Scott Fowler or insult him. Smith showed his frustration….big deal. If I had just been humiliated on national television I wouldn’t feel too good about myself either, and I probably wouldn’t be very chipper if someone stuck a microphone in my face and asked me to elaborate on how much my performance stunk today. Fowler has every right to do that, its his job, but to report that Smith was upset and then to make himself out like some kind of victim is pretty pathetic, in my opinion. It is like when my daughter or one of her friends come to tattle on someone. I ask is anyone hurt, is anyone bleeding, and if not they need to work it out themselves. Don’t be a tattle-tale, Scott Fowler. Be a big boy. If someone doesn’t answer your questions the way you want them to, either find another way to ask it, find another question, or move on. You don’t need to tell us all how mean Steve Smith was to you.

by cj5 on Nov 15, 2011 10:15 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Wait, you had respect for Scott Fowler to begin with? ;-)

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

c'mon bw

Scott Fowler does an excellent job!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Cheap-ass way to write a column, if you ask me.

Got his widdle feelings hurt, and wants his readers to feel sorry for him.

Get a life…and stop trying to start a controversy.

by bigdavis on Nov 15, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Still the greatest

Everyone’s allowed to have a bad day, and the Panthers had one all around. Even Charles Johnson was letting it get to him with a stupid personal foul.

And I’d be willing to bet money the Titans weren’t completely innocent, and I’m sure they provoked it with some trash-talking. Not that that’s an excuse, but when a team employs the likes of Cortland Finnegan, who has publicly admitted to actively trying to become the league’s dirtiest player, I’m probably going to take their view of things with a few grains of salt.

by Neilicus on Nov 15, 2011 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Screw Rivera

OK, OK, I like the guy and think he’ll be an awesome coach in due time, but for right now, it would be nice to see him say something along the lines of run defense and ST being a bigger problem than Smitty throwing a punch. The league can fine him if they want, but what I want is some wins. In CHicago, when they couldn’t block for Cutler, they moved the pocket. Our playcalling was horrible, and the penalties are a reflection of the coach. By the way, last year in San Diego, the Chargers had all kinds of issues with ST. We bring in CHud and Rivera, and now we have all kinds of issues.

We should’ve kept Kasay, brought in Manny Lawson, Barry Cofield or Cullen Jenkins, and also Carlos Rogers. We should’ve signed and traded D-Will and Goodson should be #2.

I know what you’re thinking…my hindsight is robust!

by usana_gaines on Nov 15, 2011 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

fixed it for you
I know what you’re thinking…my hindsight is robust! I have no idea what i am talking about

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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 15, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

^this

hahahaha

"One step at a time"

by mcdonaldwr on Nov 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know, I think I agree with this kind of,
it would be nice to see him say something along the lines of run defense and ST being a bigger problem than Smitty throwing a punch.

 

Don't tell me about the labor pains just bring me the baby

by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Rivera has already addressed all of this and talking about San Diego special teams was bad last year.Him and Chud brought it with them…seriously? DC and TE Coach had a lot to do with special teams i am sure

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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 15, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Its just too bad we waited almost 3 hours before we started investing some emotion into the ballgame.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 15, 2011 10:25 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1 and rec'd

i couldn’t agree with you more…

by toonman on Nov 15, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I think this is just a symptom of an even greater problem.

Our team lacks a leader than can keep our guys heads up and playing when things don’t go their way, can pull them through to a victory when the score is tight and the game is on the line, and can step on a teams neck and break it when the time has come to put the game away.

Let me present an interesting point: Can anyone honestly say that someone here filled the void that Jake Delhomme left behind? That special leadership where, if you knew he was leading the team, we had a chance to win the game? I’m not saying we need a new QB. I’m just using that as an example and Delhomme happens to be a QB. We need some leaders on this team.

It wasn’t just Jake Delhomme. We lost Chris Harris and a host of other players during the veteran purge. Jordan Gross has started to stink at just the right time in his career to where his leadership is less than it was before. Young field generals in Thomas Davis and Jon Beason? Both gone, one of them for good. Ron Edwards, the man we hire to be the beating heart of our D-Line unit, gone at the beginning of a season before he even has a chance to get on the field. I’ll admit, I didn’t see this coming. But with the benefit of hind-sight it has become all too clear. I thought there would be a problem with the veteran purge, but I didn’t think the problem would be this huge. And the problem has only been exasperated with injuries against key players/leaders and not sucky players that we could replace with a drop of a hat.

With the benefit of hindsight, doesn’t it benefit us all to look at the past and remember Jake Delhomme, the man who could throw the faults of the entire team on his back and lead us through sickness and in health, through good times and peril?

In the end we all didn’t expect to be awesome. But we at least expected us to be decent and not have a fall apart game like we did against the Titans. That’s why Steve Smith is pissed off. This is his entire career falling apart at the seems. He’ll go down as a talented receiver with gaudy statistics, but one always hampered by an inept supporting cast that kept him from getting HOF statistics, bad luck, and worst of all….he’ll finish his career without a Super Bowl trophy.

That’s why Steve Smith is pissed. He had a chance to evade it all. He could have gotten with Pittsburg or the Colts and really have a chance to win the championship. But he acted with his heart and decided to stay with the Panthers, thinking that they could have a chance in 2-4 years and wanting more than anything in the world to accomplish his ultimate goal for the team he cared for and the owner he loved.

He is in the process of figuring out whether or not he made the right decision. Above all else, we need some leadership on this team. That’s the greatest problem. We lack a Jake Delhomme grand mashall to lead this team. All of our lieutenants: Jon Beason, Thomas Davis, Ron Edwards and others all went down to injury or got cut.

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by Revshawn on Nov 15, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Our season boils down to this: We cut too many veterans all at one time and lost a lot of leadership, we encountered a string of bad luck that killed the best players/leaders in a host of other positions, and without anyone to fill the void our team is struggling.

You want to see another team that’s having the same problem? Just ask the Colts. It’s amazing how losing one player can effect your entire franchise.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

There was a story long ago about a man who saved the world. A legendary receiver with speed as fast as light itself. But he has passed on. His journey is one with the Raiders. But now, a new star has risen in the heart of the South. His veins bleeds orange. His legs are thick, his movement swift, and his hands are as large as the heart in his chest. His name is Sammy Watkins. And together with Sherlock Boyd, they will solve many mysteries together.

by Revshawn on Nov 15, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Amen Brother!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I mostly agree...

I was thinking during the last game, and especially upon reflection, that this team is struggling in the leadership department. At least that’s the appearance from the outside. I want to see an indisputable leader step up for the defense, and for one to be the indisputable leader for the offense. Those leaders need to push themselves to their personal limits as an example, and they need to push others during practice, during meetings, during games. Those leaders need to admit their own mistakes to others – hold themselves accountable so that they can point out when other players need to step up and hold themselves accountable.

Generally, I think that falls upon the vets of the team. Considering Anderson and Gamble are the vets on that side of the ball, and I would like to see one of them pick up that role. I do think Anderson’s honestly trying and is making some strides – but it just isn’t really in his personality. At least that’s the idea I get from the outside – that he’s a quiet guy. And Gamble seems the same way.

I know they’re not vets, but maybe CJ and/or Hardy could step up into those roles – I think their personalities are more suited for it. Hardy’s apparently eccentric, to say the least, and he’s only a 2nd year player, but he’s intense. You could see him in the last game trying to rally the defense and the crowd from his place on the field. And based on Rivera’s comments, Hardy’s his harshest critic. I think that intensity and his accountability makes him a candidate to take up that role.

Conventional wisdom would say Gross and/or Smitty, as the vets of the offense, need to take up that role. Gross just doesn’t seem to be as intense and fiery as Smitty. But Smitty still has growing up to do. I know he’s more mature than he once was, but he lets his emotions get the better of him sometimes.

That’s why Steve Smith is pissed off. This is his entire career falling apart at the seems.

Maybe he feels that way. But I would hardly say that his career is falling apart at the seams. He’s had a career resurgence this year. We’re talking about ONE bad game. Prior to his resurgence, I might agree that his career was falling apart at the seams. But with the resurgence of this season, and with such an explosive offense with such a talented rookie QB feeding him the ball, I think it’s a little premature to say that he’ll never get that Super Bowl ring. I’m not saying he will, but I also wouldn’t say that it’s a foregone conclusion he’ll never get it. And he shouldn’t adopt that attitude – that’s not going to help him or anyone else around him (and I’m not saying he’s adopted that attitude – I don’t know him and haven’t talked to him on the matter). In the midst of a horrible game, I want to see him going up and down the sidelines – admitting what he could be doing better and telling his teammates what they could be doing better, and encouraging them to go back out there and prove that they’re better than how they’re playing. Instead, when things are going bad, I see him go pout on the bench when he gets off the field. What good does that do anyone? Maybe he’s different behind the scenes. But I think he’s in a prime position to take over a leadership role on the field and on the sidelines, and I don’t see him doing that.

I’d love to see Shockey doing the same things I said I’d like to see Smitty doing. And I’ve seen him do that to some extent. The thing is, he hasn’t been with this team for years like Gross and Smitty – maybe he feels like it isn’t his place to really try to take on the whole leadership role. But I think he’s perfectly suited for it – he’s a salty vet who seems to have a “team first” mentality.

I also think Cam needs to grow up, and fast. I know his teammates have said that he’s a natural-born leader. But I don’t like seeing him going and covering his head up with a towel every time he comes off the field – I’d interpret that body language as him telling everyone else to leave him in his own world. I don’t like how he refused to let his teammates help him up during the last game. Yeah, his line was letting him down and getting him pounded. Maybe he could have said something like “We have plenty more snaps to go. We can get this. I I need you to (fill-in-the-blank), and I’m going to do a better job of sensing the pressure and stepping up in the pocket.” He had a bad game. In his pressers, he holds himself accountable along with everyone else. But during the game, he pouted like a toddler. Routinely, he’s one of, if not the first, to get off the field and into the locker room. That’s bad sportsmanship, in my opinion. That’s not being an example and setting the right tone for the team.

Anyway, at least one person on defense and at least one person on offense needs to take their intensity to the field, to the sidelines, to practice, and to meetings. They need to be the first to say what they need to be doing better. They need to tell others what they’re doing right and positively encourage them to do whatever it is that they need to do better. I don’t like seeing those guys who have the natural capability to take on those leadership roles not using their capabilities. The team needs a new Delhomme or two.

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by jamiedk on Nov 15, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I should also say...

That those same leaders need to be praising the other players, on the field and on the sidelines, for whatever great plays they need to be making.

Generally – the team needs some pushing, some constructive criticism, some personal accountability, and some praise for whatever they’re doing right or improving at.

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by jamiedk on Nov 15, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

*Typo...

“for whatever great plays they ARE making.”

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by jamiedk on Nov 15, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

See. I would say that the team needs a collective boot in the ass in all areas to get them to play better.

In order for someone to boot someones ass, someone’s foot has to be big enough. There are some players whose foot is so massive that he make a sweeping arch around the locker room and hit every single member of his team. If you have on of those, you’ll do great and you don’t need anyone else. Some people’s feet are only big enough to hit everyone in his immediate area. That’s fine if you have enough of those players.

But the problem with our team is that we don’t have big feet. We need to get bigger feet.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

There was a story long ago about a man who saved the world. A legendary receiver with speed as fast as light itself. But he has passed on. His journey is one with the Raiders. But now, a new star has risen in the heart of the South. His veins bleeds orange. His legs are thick, his movement swift, and his hands are as large as the heart in his chest. His name is Sammy Watkins. And together with Sherlock Boyd, they will solve many mysteries together.

by Revshawn on Nov 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

So yeah. I pretty much agree with you in all areas.

"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn

There was a story long ago about a man who saved the world. A legendary receiver with speed as fast as light itself. But he has passed on. His journey is one with the Raiders. But now, a new star has risen in the heart of the South. His veins bleeds orange. His legs are thick, his movement swift, and his hands are as large as the heart in his chest. His name is Sammy Watkins. And together with Sherlock Boyd, they will solve many mysteries together.

by Revshawn on Nov 15, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahh, the refreshing feeling of reading a novella. :-)

As to this part (emphasis mine):

I also think Cam needs to grow up, and fast. I know his teammates have said that he’s a natural-born leader. But I don’t like seeing him going and covering his head up with a towel every time he comes off the field – I’d interpret that body language as him telling everyone else to leave him in his own world. I don’t like how he refused to let his teammates help him up during the last game. Yeah, his line was letting him down and getting him pounded. Maybe he could have said something like "We have plenty more snaps to go. We can get this. I I need you to (fill-in-the-blank), and I’m going to do a better job of sensing the pressure and stepping up in the pocket." He had a bad game. In his pressers, he holds himself accountable along with everyone else. But during the game, he pouted like a toddler. Routinely, he’s one of, if not the first, to get off the field and into the locker room. That’s bad sportsmanship, in my opinion. That’s not being an example and setting the right tone for the team.

I couldn’t agree more. It looks bad, and it’s something he needs to correct if he wants to be a true leader.

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He is learning how to lose.

He’s never lost before. He is a unique case in that regard. Look at his career. HS, Florida, Blinn, and Auburn.

He’ll figure out how to do it professionally, but I hope he never accepts it.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

He needs a professional loser to give him advice......

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That's why we didn't cut Clausen...

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn!

Beat me to it bw!!! haha!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep...I'm pretty fast. (TNWSS)

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Bazinga!

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by Panther4Life!!! on Nov 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm picking up your sarcasm.

If you read the whole comment—ah, nevermind.

Twaa...

by ERL on Nov 15, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Steve Smith has always had a chip on his shoulder, that is what make him great.

I know I’ve gotten so frustrated before that I just wanted to punch somebody, I’m just glad he did it to someone on the other team. As for Scott Fowler, never liked him much. Only he would ask a dumb question about the ST coach yesterday, I’m just glad BAMF put him in his place. Did anyone else catch that?

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by Lesbian Montgomery on Nov 15, 2011 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yes...

Like Rivera said, “That’s not a fair question.” The reporter (I’m assuming it was Fowler) was trying to get Rivera to give a public critique of the general job of one of his coaches. I don’t know, I just feel like that’s different than asking about a player – a question like, “What did you say to Charles Johnson after his personal foul.” I can’t point out what the difference is – why I feel one question is appropriate and one isn’t – but I do feel that the question about Murphy wasn’t appropriate.

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by jamiedk on Nov 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought the question was fair.

I don’t see much difference in asking why a certain player is still playing, and asking why a coach is still coaching. Our special teams have been horrendous every game in all phases of it. That is 1 of the major problems stopping our wins.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 1:28 PM EST reply actions  

In defense of the ST coach...

He’s put in a pretty bad situation when our normal ST guys are forced into regular playing duty because of injuries. We’ve lost several key ST players full time to injury (Barnidge being one) and several ST players part-time (Connor, Senn, etc.) because they’re also having to play defense to fill holes.

I’m not saying Murphy is a good coach. I’m just saying that there’s really not much he can do with what he’s got to work with.

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

But on the same note,

All the players he is using, are players they have on our team. Those players should at least know what side of the field to be on for a block or run. Our return guys hardly ever have a blocker by them, and our return cover team is never ganged up around their returner. We have let a couple go that we had players close and in position to stop them, but more times than not our guys are committing penalties on the other side of the field. That is a coach problem.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

It's also a failure of execution problem.

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep I agree,

that’s why the reporters are free to ask about the players performances. The coaches should be held to the same standards. I know they are playing with injuries but they are still using players that are on their 53 man roster. If those players aren’t good enough they need to be replaced.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is there really aren’t any replacement options available. If the players available were any improvement, they’d already be on other teams.

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

These guys are still the guys on a professional nfl roster.

 The coaches job is to coach them. All the reporter did was ask if Rivera is happy with the job that coach is doing. All Rivera had to do was say yes, or no. He didn’t have to fire anyone.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

But I will also say this.

 Rivera answered the question in a good way. His answer should have just been his answer without saying it was not a fair question.

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by MrBernz on Nov 15, 2011 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

How are we supposed to judge Smith's actions?

We don’t know how many cheap shots he might have absorbed during the game, which may have led to the retaliation of his take-down block at the end, which got him a Holding penalty.

We saw Big$ get called for a stupid penalty, which was later explained as retaliation for a head-butt he’d just suffered.

I’m not saying our guys shouldn’t be smarter, in avoiding these reaction penalties, which always get spotted by the refs, and flagged, when the fouls that lead to them go unnoticed.

But there’s only so much even a professional can stomach, before he has to react.

by bigdavis on Nov 15, 2011 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Your right big

Smitty gets cheapshotted all the time. If you are close enough at the game and concentrate on him for a few plays, you will see it. Its amazing he doesn’t go nuclear every single game. Muggy bogues was in the same situation and he would just pop right up and go back after the ball.

by Panthster on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Smitty is a bad ass and I wish we had more

Rivera is starting to irritate me with his ST responses. I want him to say, “We sucked, we need to get better, we made personel mistakes which will be fixed in the off season and I am going to make them work harder until they learn to tackle and block.” Not, “dont ask because I am satisfied, ok.” Really, bottom of the league is satisfactory for him? He blames injuries… 2 of 11 of the players out for the year played on ST. We sucked before anybody got hurt. We suck now because they dropped our ST stars before the season began because they were to old and experienced. And don’t even get me started on Murphy. The real question is should Murphy get a Mulligan?

Until Rivera takes responsibility for the Panthers mistakes or starts to win some games, he is going to get many more “unfair” questions. It was unfair that the game was out of reach after the first 60 seconds.

by Panthster on Nov 15, 2011 3:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

2 of 11 of the players out for the year played on ST

True, but the other 9 who are out for the year are being replaced by guys who played on ST, putting more strain on the ST unit.

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t think a lot of fan realize the strain the guys on IR have put on the Defense and ST’s. Depth wasn’t a strong suit with the team for many years. Rather that is the old staff or Hurney or the Organizations fault or likely a combo of all three we just don’t have the back ups needed to step up and be starters. You got ST guys starting and bencg/practice squad guys playing ST. Just one big cluster F*** and reality is nobody is coming to the rescue. All our guys are IR’d. So the remainder of the season will be spent valuating and we can start fixing it with the draft , FA, and training camp.

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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 15, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point

But we really don’t have any ST aces on the team like we used to… Bates, Stone, etc. I think this is what is really hurting us right now, besides the coaching. To many JAGs pushed onto the field to go thru the motions.

by Panthster on Nov 15, 2011 4:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree...

There’s no denying we need a Bates or Hankton (or both) on this team.

The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace

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by BW Smith on Nov 15, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember Nick Goings? i miss a guy like that. Not the best player but put him in anywhere and the guy will give you his all and contribute

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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 15, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

The Enigma!

Was he gonna run a 100 mph or just fissel, who knew?

good times, good times

by Panthster on Nov 15, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when other teams were so scared of...

Michael Bates they would kick off the ball straight to sidelines, happy to start us on the 40? Panthers fans would actually stand up at the kickoff and everybody would say “kick it to him, please, just kick it to him.” We were actually disappointed that we had to start on our 40. Lol.

by Panthster on Nov 15, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

They are who we thought they were...

Carolina won 2 games last year, they matched that this year, we knew of the youth movement and the exile of the vets. Why is anyone suprised that they laid this stinker? The team is still young, the QB as good as he is, is still a rookie, who hasn’t seen a complete NFL season yet. Titans had a returning defense that can make changes and players to play QB spy because they have seen Vick, Young, Big Ben we have a makeshift defense with 2nd tier players, some vets but not good vets. Hasselbeck is still a vet, Newton not so much. The guys that we are starting on defense should be on special teams, we have been hurt bad by the injury bug on defese, but keep in mind we are still young, and there will be a better and brighter future

by ams6378 on Nov 15, 2011 8:08 PM EST reply actions  

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