Will Smith-Finnegan Matchup Fireworks Explode?
Two of the NFL's most tough competetors will face off this Sunday's game. Panthers WR Steve Smith is famous for his run-ins with ex-Falcons CB DeAngelo Hall, and Titans CB Cortland Finnegan is equally famous for his run-ins with Texans WR Andre Johnson. This week these 2 explosive players will face off against one another, so will it just be an thrilling matchup, or will it turn into an explosion of penalty flags?
Finnegan loves to talk, trying to provoke a reaction from the WR he's covering, and WR Steve Smith takes nothing from anyone, even his own teammates. This explosive mixture could play right into Finnegan's hands. Steve Smith is by far the Panthers best deep threat, and Panthers QB Cam Newton is the leading deep passer. If Finnegan can provoke Smith into losing his temper, and getting ejected for fighting, then that takes away almost 20% of the Panthers offense. The Panthers other WR's Naanee and LaFell are at best only average deep threats, and while their 2 TE's (Olsen and Shockey) can go deep well for TE's, their no Steve Smith.
The Titans have 2 other very good CB's in Jason McCourty (ProFootballFocus.com ranks McCourty as the 2nd best CB from the 2009 draft), and Alterraun Verner, who can easily cover Naanee and LeFell. FS Michael Griffin seem like he's back to the level of his 2009 Pro Bowl season. The Titans have 2 experienced SS's Jordan Babineaux (who's started the last few games), and Chis Hope, who has been injured, and no longer plays at his 2009 Pro Bowl level.
On the other hand, the Titans WR's are over matched by the speed of the Panthers CB's (all running a 4.43-40 or lower), The 3 top Titans WR's Nate Washington (36 catches), Lavelle Hawkins (22 catches) and Damian Williams (18 catches) run in the mid to high 4.5's. Only WR's Donnie Avery (4.34-40, 0 catches) and returner Marc Mariani (8 catches) can match the speed of the Panthers CB's. Both Titans TE's Jared Cook (4.50-40, 19 catches) and Craig Stevens (4.59-40, 6 catches) have speed, but the Panthers S's Charles Godfrey (4.39-40) and Sherrod Martin (4.49-40) have the speed to match the TE's, but the Panthers LB's don't. The Panthers will have loads of problems covering the Titans RB's, Chris Johnson (4.24-40, 31 catches) and Javon Ringer (17 catches), but fortunately Johnson's hands aren't that good. However, Titans QB Matt Hasselbeck is usually good for 1 or 2 way off target, wobbling, wounded duck type passes a game, that might be picked off.
Though the Titans have generally been good against the run, the Bengals ran well against then last week. The Titans rotate their D-Linemen, so fatigue shouldn't be a problem. DT Karl Klug (6-3, 275) has replaced Jason Jones (6-5, 276) who's moved to DE, and Klug leads the Titans with 3 sacks.
The Game offers a great pass rushing match up Panthers DE Charles Johnson (7 sacks) will go against LT Michael Roos, who has allowed 0 sacks in 319 pass-blocking snaps.
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no disrespect to Marc Mariani but he’s the slowest toe second slowest WR we have.
OUr TE cook has a 10 inch advantage with his height and vertical leap over godfrey.
and if Martin can’t keep up w/ stevens it would be a shame, Stevens outweighs him by 70 lbs.
But when looking at WRs and TEs vs Dbs, you can’t just look at speed.
By 40 Yard Dash Kenny britt is the second slowest WR we have, but he was open the most because of his route running
I'm Sorry "IceOne" But Your Way Off On Their Speeds
Here are the Titans receivers Combine 40 times (unfortunately nfldraftscout.com’s information on past draft’s is down right now, so I can’t check Washington’s and Daniel Graham’s 40 time)..
WR Donnie Avery – 4.40-40 (a Pro Day 4.34-40)
WR Marc Mariani – 4.43-40 (Pro Day, he wasn’t invited to the Combine
WR Kenny Britt – 4.48-40
WR Damian Williams – 4.55-40
WR Lavelle Hawkins – 4.56-40 (a Pro Day 4.48-40)
WR Nate Washington – 4.58-40 (I think)
TE Jared Cook – 4.50-40
TE Craig Stevens – 4.59-40
TE Daniel Graham – 4.8+
If Mariani were the Titans 2nd slowest WR, then he wouldn’t be returning kicks.
by PanthersRoar on Nov 12, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
Dang, PR, how many times do you suppose you've read that? lol, you should keep count.
/jk, you know I like seeing the numbers, and we all know they don’t tell the whole story.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
That's Just The Crazy Talk Of Idiots Who Are Too Lazy & Stupid To Gather Any Facts To Support Their Foolish Opinions
An unsupported argument is simply proof of ignorance.
by PanthersRoar on Nov 12, 2011 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Bitter, are we?
Supporting an argument with only a 40 time that was ran in gym shorts doesn’t really provide a lot of “support”.
I know you’re in love with combine numbers, but they don’t tell the whole story.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And before this gets misinterpreted...
I’m not saying that combine numbers are worthless and don’t have their place. I’m just saying they’re part of the big picture.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Your Right "BW", But 40 Times Are The Only Measure Of Speed We Have
Players at the Combine all perform under the exact same conditions, and that’s what makes a comparision valid. The equipment is basically the same (clothes and shoes), with almost no weight difference, they all run on the exact same surface, without wind (because it’s in-doors), and the same individualls doing the timing.
Where as, at a Pro Day a player may be running on grass (long, short, or uneven cut), on turff, on a field track, or even on a basketball court if it’s raining. Also the distances have to be double or tripple checked, to make sure the 40 yard mark isn’t only 37 or 38 yards. Several Pro Days occure on the same dates, so they have different timing crews. Those are some of the reasons that around half of the Pro Day 40 times are around a full 1/10th of a second faster than the Combine times, and very very few Pro Day times are slower than the Combine times.
People don’t always run the same speed each time, only a hand full run the same time on both runs each year. Most players run a few 100ths of a second slower on their 2nd run, but a few do run faster their 2nd time. Some teams will time each player 5 individual times on each run, then throw out the highest and lowest times. All of that also hold true on the field. players field speed changes from down to down, not to mention that defensive players are in a slower closing speed until they identivy a target, and then they jump to full closing speed.
Actually their 10 yard split times are a much better measure for most players. The only players that really need a 40 time (other than to measure their punt coverage speed) are the deep threat WR’s and TE’s. The 10 yard split is just about equal to the distance traveled to sack a QB, by the D-Linemen and LB’s, and for RB’s to take the handoff, and get through the D-Line. A 3 to 5 yard time for O-Linemen would be their best measure of their thrust, but they don’t record that.
With modern tech, maybe soon they can measure actual on field speed, but even that would have some of these same problems, because once again the players don’t always run the same speed on each play. Also (though I don’t think ie reallly matters) the weight of their equipment isn’t the same for each position.
The NFL tries to list a players top 40 yard speed (that’s why they only list one 40 time, and they give the players 2 chances, and sometimes 3), under identical conditions, so they can measured evenly against one another.
Anyone who thinks that 40 times are worthless is a total idiot. The most telling proof of this is the amount of money the NFL and each of it’s teams spends each year to get this information, and they know far more than anyone posting on this forum.
Personally, I evaluate a player based upon:
25% – How he performs in the Combine & Senior Bowl practices and drills (it’s the only chance we fans get to see them one on one against equal talent)..
15% – How he played in college.
10% – How he played against top competition in the College All-Star & Bowl games.
20% – How he performs at the Combine (more as a knockout factor than a lock-in factor).
15% – Medical reports.
15% – Personal interviews (looking for knockout factors).
Of course we as fans only get rumors of the medical info, and interviews, so our knowledge base can never be as good as the NFL exc’s, yet sometimes fans make better picks.
by PanthersRoar on Nov 13, 2011 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
i'm just telling you the truth
40 speed and game speed is different.
you know the difference between football speed and track speed is, right?
Marc’s speed is 4.48 in the 40.
i’ll give you there speed in 1st to last
Avery
Washington
Hawkins
Britt
Mariani
Williams
Cook
Stevens
graham
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 12, 2011 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
"IceOne", I watch Every Titans Game & Have For Several Years, But I Have No Idea What In The World Your Watching
I gave you proof of speed from their 40 times, while you offer nothing but your unsupported opinion. THAT"s NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!! Prove your point with some supportable fact!!!
I Understand that some people are dazzled by the shifty moves of smaller receivers, that to the uninformed sometimes make them seem faster than they really are, but that’s not speed.
To see that Hawkins and Washington aren’t that fast (running in the 4.5’s), all you have to do is watch the game, to see that they usually struggle to gain sepperation, and are often caught from behind.
If Nate Washington were as fast as you think he is, then he would have had more than 2 40 catch seasons (both as a starting WR, with a career high of only 47 catches last season) in his career. Washington is the Titans best when it come to speed, he’s just the best WR they have. If Lavelle Hawkins were as fast as you think he is, then he would have had more than a career season high of 7 catches in his first 3 seasons.
Many famous WR’s have lacked top speed, but your not arguing overall talent, just speed.
by PanthersRoar on Nov 12, 2011 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
40 speed with out pads and game speed is different, geez
i didn’t say that was speed, thats quickness, quickness and speed are two different things in WRs and Rbs.
If washington isn’t that fast why was he regarded as the speedy deep threat in Pitt?
Our Wrs aren’t fast, we’ve never had fast Wrs, this is probably the fastest collection of WRs that we’ve had in a few years. and i’m talking about in the open field…
40 catch seasons under jeff fisher are a blessing, a power run offense. Do you know what our play calling was when he was here 80% of the time? run up the middle 3X, punt
Lavelle was buried in the depth chart from fisher’s “we play veterans over younger guys with more talent” approach.
PanthersRoar, you’re not winning this debate, hahaha
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 13, 2011 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
Nate Washington Was The #3 WR With The Steelers & He's Still A #3 WR Talent, He's Just Forced Into Being A Starter Because The Titans Have No One Better
Take for homer fans blinders off “IceHead”.
Kenny Britt is the Titans #1 WR, and their top deep threat, but he’s out for the rest of the year.
Nate Washington was a #3 WR with the Steelers, and he’s still a #3 WR talent. The only reason he is starting for the Titans is that they don’t have a quality starting #2 WR, and now (with Britt out) he’s forced to try and be a #1 WR.
As for your false claims of Nate Washington’s great speed, just as I wrote yesterday, he was caught from behind by a DB today, and even OLB James Anderson on a bad ankle.
Just take your whipping, learn from it (I doubt that though), go on back to your hillbilly hangout, and improve the IQ of both states. LOL
by PanthersRoar on Nov 13, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
U mean....
Can Finnegan find a way to get tossed around like a child again?? Haha. I remember Andre bout slap-boxed him to death. And if Smitty does fly off the handle, hopefully it’s quick enough nobody notices what happened. I’m picturing Mickey the pikey striking Georgeous George in “Snatch”.
Smitty doesn’t fight……he wins. Period. Rules and regs.
by mives36 on Nov 12, 2011 12:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
well 2 hits
and the only way that happens is if he doesn’t try to fight back again.
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 12, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
smitty better
keep his head on straight, we don’t any more of those 15 yard penalties this year. finnegans dirty
YOU MAKE IT EASY FOR ME
At first I thought Will Smith was making a movie with Finnegan
But now I see it… If Finnegan wants to start shit Smitty will destroy him
by rscott94 on Nov 12, 2011 1:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You forget
That Steve Smith does the same thing. He is very cerebral in the game. He gets into his opponents head. Both will likely be trying to mess with the other. I could see some light scuffling or late hits but no brawls
How do we know that Smity won't be the one to induce aggravated reaction on Finnegan's part?
Smith has a knack for getting under the opposition’s skin and I bet that when Cam throws one of his bombs, that goes for a long distance, and Smitty gets up talking smack, Finnegan won’t content in the least.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
LOL look at the photographer.
He’s like “oh shit, I got get me some of this action on camera”.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Once upon a time, 89 was vulnerable to losing his cool against smack-talking, physical corners...
But times have changed. Now, Smitty is a physical beast himself, and he instructs his opponents on the rules and regulations at every opportunity. If Finnegan wants to fight, Smitty will provoke him, and it will be Finnegan that gets ejected while we get 15 yards. Of course, if Finnegan starts any fisticuffs, Smitty will tear his ass up.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
by Rick Bates on Nov 12, 2011 12:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Nov 12, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
Finnegan doesn't get provoked
He’s the provoker, thats why he has never been ejected for throwing a punch
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
That's true. He just throws helmets...

So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I really dont get how helmets come off so easily in the NFL
It happens at some point in every game but in 7 years of football i have never lost my helmet in a play. Do they not even strap them or something?
i know that sometimes
players unstrap them between plays, and can’t snap them back on in time, lol but i agree, never happened to me
by Ice0ne (CAJ) on Nov 12, 2011 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I voted maybe...
Only because Smith is such a competitor and plays with ALOT of emotion… I hope Finnegan does get him fired up though… He’ll become the next victim of a Cam to Smith highlight video… Smith seems to be in more control of his emotions, now that he has a QB that can actually get him the ball…
by MidnightDrifter on Nov 13, 2011 4:21 AM EST reply actions

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