Olindo Mare, Clutch Kicker or Overated??
by sgtx on Nov 1, 2011 12:42 PM EDT
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PrintIs Mare a solid clutch kicker, or one that chokes in clutch situation? Was his 31 yard miss to tie the game an anomaly in his career, or is this something we can expect to see more of? I wanted to take a closer look at Orlando Mare's statistics after some Panther fans calling for his head. Is he really not a good clutch kicker despite his above average career field goal percentage? Does he miss a lot of "short" field goals? How many game winning "late" field goals does he make or miss? I wanted to find some actual hard data on Mare, and not just rely on the opinions of from some posts that he isn't a good clutch kicker.
I had a hard time finding exact statistics on game winning (or losing) field goal statistics. What I did find was game logs from 2000-2010 here.
I sorted for Mare, and then went back through all his kicks from 2000-2010. I looked for any makes or misses late in the game that may have been "clutch". ( I loosely define clutch kicks being in the fourth quarter of a game with the team ahead or behind by 7 points or less)
I also used his career statistics from here.
For you diehard who like to dig into the stats I've listed field goals and extra points missed every year and then any field goals made or missed in what would be possibly considered a "clutch" situation.
If you want don't want to read the whole post, skip to the end of the post and I'll summarize the results.
- 2000 - 28 of 31 (90.3%). Misses - 36, 47, 28. The missed 47yrd and 28yrd were in the same game in the early third and early fourth quarters in a tight game at New England. He kicked a game winning 49yrd FG with :15 sec. left in the same game.
- 2001 - 19 of 21 (90.5%) Misses- 42, 49. At Buffalo he kicked a 42yrd FG to tie the game with 1:17 left.
- 2002 - 24 of 31 ( 77.4%) Misses - 41, 28, 45, 48,54, 40,47 At Denver he kicked a 53 yrd FG with :11 sec.left to win. Against Oakland he missed a 40 yrd FG with 8:53 left in the 4thQ with Miami holding a 3 pt lead. In the same game he kicked a 41 yrd FG with 2:33 in the 4thQ to put the Dolphins up by 6. Against Minnesota he kicked a 25 yrd FG to tie the game with 6:12 left in the 4thQ.
- 2003 - 22 of 29 (75.9%) Misses - 51, 26, 44, 36, 48, 53. Against Buffalo he missed a 44 yrd FG with 6:47 left in the 4thQ with Miami up by 3. At the Giants, he kicked a 48 yrd FG at 13:30 in the 4th Q. with Miami up by 3. At New England he missed a 35 yrd FG at 12:06 in the 4thQ of a tie game. Against Baltimore he missed a 48 yrd FG with 2:34 to play in either a tie game, or with Miami up by 3. (not sure) In the same game he hit a 43 yrd FG in OT to beat Baltimore. Against the Jets he missed a 53 yrd FG with 3:29 left with Miami down by 1. In the same game he then kicks the game winner with :07 left to beat the Jets.
- 2004 - 12 of 16 (75%) (Mare missed 5 games due to injury) Misses - 46, 34, 22, 53. At Cincinnati, he kicks a 47 yrd FG to tie it with 1:47 left. At Seattle he missed a 34 yrd FG to tie with 8:10 left. He then kicks a 39 yrd FG to tie with 2:47 left. At San Francisco he hit a 50 yrd FG at 7:21 in the 4thQ to put Miami up by 7. He kicks a 51 yrd FG with :12 sec left to beat Cleveland.
- 2005 - 25 of 30 (83.5%) Misses - 21, 36, 38, 53, 31. Against Carolina he kicks a 32 yrd FG with :07 sec left to win. At San Diago he kicks a 20 yrd FG at 1:14 in the 4thQ to put the Dolphins up by 9. At New England he hit a 42 yrd FG with 2:00 min left to put Miami up by 8. (one of 4 field goals in the game played in New England on Jan 1st. 11mph wind, 28 degrees.)
- 2006 - 26 of 36 ( 72.2%) Misses - 55, 30, 50, 51, 52, 50, 44,42,, Against Tennessee he hit a 39 yrd FG with 3:43 left for the win in a tie game. At the Jets he missed a game tying 51 yrd FG as time expired.
- 2007 - 10 of 17 (58.8%) (with New Orleans, played 13 games) Misses - 52, 38, 54,43, 52, 57, Against Carolina he missed a 54 yrd FG with 2:19 left in the game.
- 2008 - 24 of 27 (88.9%) (with Seattle) Misses - 38, 53, 42. Against San Francisco he hit a 32 yrd FG with 7:45 left in the 4thQ to put Seattle up by 3. At St. Louis he kicked a 27 yrd FG with :03 sec left for the win. Against the Jets he kicked a 38 yrd FG with 1:16 left in the 4thQ to put Seattle up by 10.
- 2009 - 24 of 26 (92.3%) Misses 43, 34, Against Chicago he hit a 46 yrd FG at 5:17 in the 4thQ to put Seattle up by 2. At Arizona he hit a 20 yrd FG at 13:07 in the 4thQ to put Seattle up by 3. Against San Francisco he hit a 30 yrd FG with :04 sec left to win the game. Against Tennessee he hit a 20 yrd FG at 12:07 in the 4thQ to put Seattle up by 3.
- 2010 - 25 of 30 (88.3%) Misses -51, 29, 29, 47, 43. No clutch kicks or misses. (Seattle was blown out in most games)
Summary -
Clutch kicks made -22
Clutch kicks missed - 8
Game winning or tying kicks in the last 2 mins - 10 for 11 ( his only miss was from 51 yards out as time expired)
3 extra points blocked, 1 extra point missed. 6 field goals blocked ( 34,40,32,20,49,22)
I can't find one "gimmie" kick that he has missed in a clutch situation.
10 of 49 of his missed FG came from inside 35 yards from 2000 to 2010. ( 16 of 49 were missed from 50 or more yards)
It seems he is a little prone to missing some of those shorter chip shot field goals, though he usually doesn't do that in clutch situations.
I was as devastated as everyone else when Mare missed that tying field goal against the Vikings, but after reviewing his career stats I am giving him a freebie on that one; and think he will help us a lot more than he hurts us over the next few years.
(I did my best to get all the information correct in this post. If there is something anyone finds that is wrong, please feel free to correct me. I don't guarantee that every fact is 100% correct)
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Good write up
Hopefully this puts Mare’s performance in perspective for the haters.
If you ever needed solid proof of this fact
Just look 2 comments down
You've missed the point
I don’t hate Mare…I just expect that he perform well given the fact he is a professional, and nothing impeded his kick. He should’ve made it. I also appreciate the effort in the research from sgtx…awesome job.
If he can’t make clutch FG’s then we shold look else where……( no I’m not wanting to cut him for his first missed clutch FG for us) but I am about winning and missing FG’s to put us in a postion to win is unsat. No matter how you slice it.
It's all good.
by Saul Good on Nov 1, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
i think we should wait to see if this becomes a pattern rather than just a anomaly before we cut a guy we have a lot of money invested in…Should Mare have made it? yes..but kickers miss all around the NFL weekly. Nobody goes 50/50. I think many forget last week when he kicked 3 straight field goals last week and made them all after being backed up 10 yards a pop off penalty’s. Mare picked a bad day to have a bad day…until this becomes the norm he isn’t going anywhere
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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 1, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Players gave him a pass?
You think they were going to throw him under the bus? They had to come to his support ‘on camera’.
by Buck Wild on Nov 5, 2011 9:16 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Very good write up and research
def makes me feel a little better about the next time we are in a similar situation
Great job on research
That’s all fine and dandy, but when you get paid as much as a professional athlete gets paid…and your sole purpose in life is to kick a ball straight 100% of the time from 0-50 yards then you should be able to do that. If the weather sucked, or someone tipped it, okay I’ll give him a pass…but nothing went wrong from the snap to the hold. It all went wrong when his foot hit the ball. I don’t blame the loss on him, but I think he shoulders most of the burden for not taking us into overtime. Cam had some slips but he also had a million more decisions to make at any given second that resulted in poor decisions, or missed opportunities. Mare had one decision…How hard do I need to kick it?
It's all good.
It was a physical error
They happen. There’s no preventing it. Like I said in another post, its like a player missing a game-tying shot in basketball. Nobody can make them all. If everyone could do their job flawlessly there would be no competition in sports.
No stats or any reasonable position allowed on this, he clearly needs to be fired
by Nevar on Nov 1, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
I'd be interested in seeing a comparison
… to Kasay’s statistics in the same situations. I’m with most rational people, Cam Newton included, and giving Mare a pass on this one. But I had an argument with a friend of mine (who I may add still isn’t ‘sold’ on Cam Newton for some reason), who insisted that “if we still had Kasay, that wouldn’t have happened.”
I had to remind him that Kasay is in fact human and does in fact miss field goals from time to time.
even if the kick is made our chances our winning are not great if Vikings get the ball in OT…our Defense was dog tired especially with guys pulling double duty on special teams and defense after all the injurys. I think if we had been healthy Peterson doesn’t have the big 4th quarter. Kasay is a better field goal kicker than Mare by a slight margin but the overall Mare is the better kicker. Now could we of cut Baker and signed a Punter who could kick off and punt? Possibly but it would of cost the same as Mare and Kasay while still solid can’t have many more years left…what ever happened to the rookie who was kicking 60+ in camp?
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I would like to see this also
How does this compare with the other kickers in the league? That would be the true comparison. I couldnt find any data on this at all. You would think NFL front offices have this at their fingetips when making decisions on who to sign. Or maybe its like the whole Moneyball thing in baseball and they are making more gut decisions.
by sgtx on Nov 1, 2011 5:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'd at least like to see a comparison to Kasay to drive the point home
It seems the data isn’t readily available, and the OP went through a lot of trouble to compile it. A comparison to a leagues worth of kickers doesn’t seem feasible for someone with a life.
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From memory
I’ve seen Kasay win and lose plenty of games with his leg.
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 2, 2011 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
So the witchhunt on Mare right now is only temporary. He has been a fine kicker over his career.
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Rec'd
I was hoping someone would put up a thread with this information (i.e. I was too lazy to look it up myself). Great stuff.
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Walker for '11 ROY! I mean, assuming the lockout will end anytime soon...
Biyombo fo...ah who am I kidding? GO PANTHERS!
At least he's not a Greammatica.
by Swamp Panther on Nov 1, 2011 2:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Every player no matter who you are will be evaluated at the end of the year.
This kick will be something the Panthers consider when moving forward. They will also consider the other 30 or so kicks that he takes during the season. Making some snap judgement to fire him immediately after one missed field goal is hopefully not how we run this organization.
I get that fans are going to be fans and want to release every guy who fucks up in a big situation, I just wish more fans would look at it from the subjective standpoint that the GM and organization as a whole does.
How dare you!
…use facts to make an argument? ;) Great job. Rec’d, sir.
Crap happens. Deal with it. And let’s focus our ire on any players who consistently don’t perform to professional standards.
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like our project from App State….
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Reluctantly
I agree. He just isn’t being productive. I like the guy, but hell, ya gotta make something happen.
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by wee-vegas cat on Nov 1, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Yall know Tater is going ape when he sees this
I’m just saying. I say he gets bad to no blocking, but still I see the point that he should be able to turn nothing into something sometimes.
As the great philosopher Yoda said "Try not! Do you must!"
by gdhood on Nov 1, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, I'm not
I’m done. I HOPE we put someone else back there to return punts and they do no better, just to drive the point home. The fact is, he hasn’t had many kicks with a good opportunity to break one. The ONE chance he had on Sunday didn’t pan out.
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What's the main thing you've seen out of Armanti that leads you to believe he will succeed?
Or is that he hasn’t been given the ability to succeed?
Off-season improvement and work ethic.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Unfortunately those aren't tangible results.
Eventually he has to do something on Sunday. I’m pulling for him he is a great guy. I am doubting though. Not hating, just firmly doubting. Would love to eat crow on that one.
by mh420800 on Nov 1, 2011 8:39 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
If he got more consistent opportunities on returns, I think he would have numbers in line with other returners in the league
But the fact is this blocking has been atrocious most of the time. Even when the blocking is good, you won’t always get a good return. There have been occasions where he has picked up some tough yards on returns regardless of bad blocking. The reason the witch hunt seems to be back on again is that on Sunday he had one really good opportunity that he didn’t make much of.
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Watch some clips of his open field running from when he was at App...
He was one of the most instinctual runners I have ever seen. He just had this uncanny ability to make guys miss in open space, or just bounce right off them, keep his feet and keep right on rolling downfield at full speed… but no matter how good you are, you can’t make 3 NFL guys miss simultaneously. That’s what has been asked of him time and time again; I’m not ready to close the book on him until he gets a few more legit chances to do something other than call a fair catch
by facepalmjedi on Nov 2, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think it would be a good idea to hold on to him while he's cheap.
I mean, he’s good insurance in case Legs isn’t brought back and if Gettis doesn’t recover well.
Plus at this point we have invested quite a bit in him. It’d be a shame to see another team bear the fruit of that investment.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 2, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think PR is the right place to put the kid, but he's still okay considering the state of the special teams.
Last year he couldn’t catch the ball… in the off-season he fixed it. Hell, if he breaks one off, we’ll all be singing the praises of Armanti.
The other thing he did during the off-season was seek help from Muhsin. He came back to the belated camp, and was (per BAMF) physically stronger and a far cry better receiver than his lost rookie year. I’m inclined to see what he can make of himself with another off-season, including working with Cam.
Here’s the thing… Armanti played at a “small” school, okay, duh. But what he accomplished while there was historic. Potential is the bane of the impatient, I know. Butt, do you really think he’s topped out already?? I don’t!!
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
he wasn’t a WR or Kuck returner at app state either….all projects dont have a happy ending…if he hasn’t improved much more by the end of camps then i could see him on his way out the door…Norwood will be right behind him. We got a lot of WR’s already above Armanti with Gettis coming back healthy and possibility of adding another in the draft or FA..his odds look slim..hell if we target a return specialist his days are all but done
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Makes you wonder why anyone wants to draft a WR with our first pick next April.
I wish we could see him get some work at WR this season instead of just returns, but it just doesn’t look like it will happen. I’m not even sure anyone but Smitty, Naanee, and LaFell have even been on the field for a snap at WR.
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the kid is natural born athlete... find what he is best at and he will succeed
I was studied at App the same four years as Armanti and I was at every home game he played in at App. The reason he played QB was because that is the most important position on the field and he was the best athlete on the squad, bar none. Had there been another viable option for passing the football he would have been a WR, RB, K/PR, or any other position that is best played by someone who has a (no pun intended) cat-like ability to keep his feet
one play can't lose a game, one play can win a game
no love lost, he’ll be alright. probably wanna consult me on that again after a few more misses though lol
I agree. Lest we forget, Longwell laid a duck hook out there in the first half as well. If Longwell makes that kick (all else being equal)...
we’re not even in position to tie with a FG at the end.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Meh
Should have scored a TD on that drive anyway. That was our opportunity to win.
Besides, who says we would have won once it got to OT anyway?
Assuming he had the chance.
Vikings could have won the toss and scored to win. It’s not exactly like they were struggling moving the ball against us.
This is true.
Had they won the toss, AP would probably just have beast f@cked us into field goal range or even into the endzone.
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 1, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
our D was done…lot of guys pulling double duty on D and Special teams killed both sides
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Agreed. Our chance to win was a touchdown, which we had multiple opportunities.
That didn’t pan out due to penalties or due to failure to make a clutch play when needed. Had Olsen pulled down that pass in the end zone, we would have never need Mare. But no one is talking about that, they are blaming it on the kicker as usual.
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Oh yeah? Well, I blame Tater for not being on the d-line all year.
… and for the dearth of attractive photos for which he is so famous.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
My apologies...
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Tater, my man, you're back. Oh, how I've missed your well-rounded, yet pointed arguments.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
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Do they add to her appearance?
I think not.
I've wondered the same thing.
Luckily, if you do a google image search for her and turn “safe search” off, you will see that her and her fellow british glamour models have no qualms about losing at least the top half of their clothing.
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That was not an easy catch to make at all...
I think of maybe 5 receivers not named Fitzgerald who make that catch more than 5 times out of 10; it was really a terrible decision by Cam, because that thing could have been picked off too easily.
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Difficult or not, it was catchable.
Beyond that, the holding penalty on Smitty. I’m just saying, we had our chances before Mare was called out.
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Wonderful work in assembling all that data, and much needed.
That was an aberration. He reacted in his interview after the game like a consummate pro.
"IF" I recall correctly,
Kasey also made a kickoff in the Super Bowl that didn’t do the Panthers any favors.
Kasey is human.
He also had a great season that helped GET the Panthers to the S/B that year.
I don’t think Mare’s miss will keep this year’s team out of the playoffs, (although I have to admit I didn’t think Cam Newton would pass for 2000 yards this season).
The point is Mare made one mistake, cheer for him to make the next kick straight. ROAR LOUDLY as one voice when he comes back on the field. The Cats need the points and any kicker needs the encouragement. Booing does NOT help put points on the board for the home team!
No doubt all ‘true’ Panther fans, me included will shout, cheer and pray for Mare whenever he lines up to kick. But dammit, you gotta make a friggin 31 yarder at home in perfect weather!
by Buck Wild on Nov 5, 2011 9:33 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
He has played 10 yrs and missed 10 kicks under 35
He is gonna miss one “easy” kick per year. Lets just hope for no more last second misses… this year. Or better yet miss a few more and then not miss any more for the next few years when we will really need them.
mistakes
I will try to keep this short and sweet. every human on this planet has made mistakes, some small some big, many people make several and there are a lucky few who only make a few. but the bottom line is what happens after the mistake. will this guy own up to it and do better next time he has a chance or will he fold and do about the same or…worse? nobody knows but the person whose made a mistake and been given an opportunity to grow from it.
I could even compare this to my previous opinion of cam newton. I am someone who watched luck last year, got super excited about him in charlotte, and was first saddened he went back to school then angered by the selection of the other guy, cam newton. I saw the espn stuff, but was rooted in my opinion of him based on his freestyle playing at auburn 1st and his own foolish past mistakes 2nd. I was sure he would be a bust. after about 3 games of him I was admitting to the mistake I made>> I was wrong to think he was gonna bust and this guy has proven he can flat out play. I made it a point to tell people I was a “hater” and have been proven wrong. now I enjoy cheering for this guy, enjoy watching him lead, and cant wait for whats next.
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by bobcatsbrendan on Nov 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
It took you three games to realize Cam wasn't going to bust? Oh well, I was a PP7 man myself, but I converted before the 1st game,
when I saw that he was ready to do whatever it takes to be great.
BTW, I make mistakes on a regular basis and have done so throughout my 52+ years in this dimension. And yes, I’ve learned a lot from them … and fully intend on making many more before I’m done.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Brilliant write up.
Really nice work putting all those stats together. That took a lot of work and I appreciate it. His stats are a good reminder that he’s a skilled kicker and that we shouldn’t ride him out on a rail for one miss.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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Good Work finding all those stats!
I have to agree with most everyone who has commented on this page so far, Mare is a solid kicker who has been pretty clutch his whole career. I consider that kick a grace kick for him, and I’m pretty sure we won’t see something akin to that kick again this season.
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Mare = Forgiven
We can’t hang him out to dry for missing a game-tying FG in a season where we’re just learning our identity. We’re not going to the Superbowl…. this year. Besides, it’s not quite as bad as kicking the ball off out of bounds, in the Superbowl, giving the opponents 15 less yard to get into game-winning field goal position.
And now I feel like a dick. Ugh.
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Nice research and rec'd. Mare will probably be boo'd next time out, until he makes that first big kick. Then all will be forgiven.
Fans are fickle (except for the intelligent ones on CSR, that is).
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
I would hope nobody boos him unless he misses another 1.
I could maybe see him getting boo’d if another 1 gets blocked or missed.
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I hate thinking about that damn kick. My brother laughing in my face as Vinetari kicked the game winner, losing all my birthday money. So the less I have to think about this the better.
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by Thaddeus_Griffin on Nov 3, 2011 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I was like 8, by the way
don’t want to seem like I was a grown man upset for losing birthday money xD
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by Thaddeus_Griffin on Nov 3, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
well at least you was 8…i was with my g/f at the time with her church youth group for the super bowl party….he shanked the kick off they made the kick to win the game…guy proceeded to run his mouth about haha told you the Panthers wouldn’t win no super bowl..yada yada…next thing i know im bouncing his head against the coffee table and being held back by a youth pastor….ahh memories
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by MMA_PITBULL on Nov 4, 2011 5:07 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds like the punk deserved it lol
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by Thaddeus_Griffin on Nov 4, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
I literally caved in my bathroom door with a headbut when we let them score right before halftime.
…Because I said I would right before the drive started:
“I swear to God if we let them score a TD with 51 seconds to go before halftime, I’m gonna put my head through that door.”
Twaa...
by ERL on Nov 4, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions
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by BusyBeingAwesome on Nov 11, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Great article
Side note, I just went to look up some of Kasay’s old stats for the hell of it. I had no idea he was a Seahawk from 91-94. Good trivia there
This write of does indeed show that Mare’s skills as a player are being underrated by many critics. A bad player does not generally have these types of results, so, obviously Mare is one of the best; people should leave him alone.
by nedrick Robinson on Nov 1, 2011 9:29 PM EDT reply actions
I'm giving Mare a pass
Initially I must admit that I overreacted and said he should be cut but that was just a knee-jerk reaction. Mare has proven to be a good kicker throughout his career and we should expect him to watch film, learn, and rebound from this and play well. I don’t know about anyone else but, to me it looked like he lined up awkwardly for that kick. Watching live I immediately said that something was off the moment Mare lined up. I’ve watched it a few times now and it appears that he set up almost directly behind the ball like toeball kickers in the old days. If he had taken another step or two to his left he would have approached the ball from a better angle and wouldn’t have hooked it like he did. Did anyone else notice this or am I crazy? Sorry for that last accidental post.
by StockP317 on Nov 2, 2011 1:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
kickers miss, it happens
and for those who say Kasey wouldn’t have missed in that situation, last year against Cleveland he bounced a 42 yard attempt off the upright as time expired and we lost 24-23.
31 yd at home vs 42 yd on the road?
by Buck Wild on Nov 5, 2011 9:10 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
LSU/Bama missed field goals
The analysts at ESPN are giving the Alabama kicker hell for missing a 51 yd FG during the first half of their LSU matchup and we Panther fans can’t give Mare hell?! Screw that, Mare has to make that kick. I guess if he misses another clutch kick many will blame the fans for being too hard on him for screwing up the kick against the Vikings and that we were “in his head”.
by Buck Wild on Nov 5, 2011 9:05 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
Fail- you guys are so sweet
All you guys giving Mare a pass is really sweet and all but there are no excuses for a 10 yr. veteran kicker botching a 31 yd. clutch FG at home in perfect weather. All the stats and forgiveness in the world don’t excuse that.
by Buck Wild on Nov 5, 2011 9:22 PM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
I said it before and I'll say it again
It was a physical error. They happen. Everybody misses. He’s not a machine. It’s really unfair to give a player hell because their body didn’t do what their mind wanted to. It’s like a player missing a shot in basketball. There’s nothing anybody can do about it. If everybody could do their job flawlessly, what would be the point of competing?
Gostkowski missed for NE yesterday from the 27. It happens.
And Kasay missed one from the 42.
Let’s get over it. Mare will win some games for us in the future, mark my words.
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