From QB To Head Coach, Rookie Mistakes Again Cost Panthers
by Bill Voth on Oct 9, 2011 7:53 PM EDT
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Their quarterback is 22 years old and five games into his NFL career. The roster is again one of the youngest in the league. They’re not far removed from a 2-14 season.
Mistakes on the field were expected for the youthful Carolina Panthers, but Sunday, one of the most crucial errors was made on the sideline by their first-year head coach. Or at least, that’s what Ron Rivera said.
With time running out in the first half, the New Orleans Saints were out of timeouts. As former Panthers kicker John Kasay and his field goal unit rushed onto the field, it was apparent they wouldn’t have enough time to get a kick off. But then, a whistle. The Panthers had called timeout.
That’s right -- the Panthers called a timeout. With two ticks on the clock gifted to him, Kasay booted a 46-yard field goal.
The final score: 30-27 Saints -- the difference of a field goal.
So what happened in those final, frantic moments of the first half?
"Truthfully, I overthought it," Rivera admitted. "I wasn’t sure how many guys we had on the field, so I called the timeout. I thought the last thing we needed was to have thirteen guys on the field and give them another chance. That’s why I called it and that one is squarely on me. Those three points come right on my shoulders."
There’s a chance someone else on the Panthers called the timeout. Rivera could be falling on the sword -- it’s something he would do. But the simple fact is a huge mistake was made, and it’s a product of a youthful coaching staff.
Of course, it’d be unfair to blame the loss on one bad decision. Inexperience helped put the Panthers in a hole before thousands of fans were even in their seats on a gorgeous afternoon in Charlotte.
On his first play from scrimmage, Cam Newton threw to Patrick Robinson. That’s not good considering Robinson plays for the Saints. Three plays later, New Orleans had a 7-0 lead. The Newton interception was intended for Steve Smith. The 11th-year veteran ran an out route. The rookie quarterback threw inside.
"I thought he was running the slant," Newton explained. "They started off the game, unbelievable, they’re given seven points. That was my fault." After the game, Newton again showed why he’s quickly gaining a reputation as a bad loser. Not a sore loser, just a bad loser. The kid who never lost two straight games in his football life before this season, had just lost two straight for the second time in five weeks.
With many of his teammates already showered and on their way home, Newton was still in pads when he walked into the locker room slowly with Mike Shula. The Panthers quarterbacks coach continued to softly talk to Newton after he slumped down into his chair. Then came a long chat with Smith.
More than an hour after the final whistle, Newton walked into his post game press conference glaring straight ahead. If the scene was outside in the winter, you may have been able to see actual steam coming from his head.
When asked why it seemed like he was taking this loss harder than the previous three, Newton replied, "You’ve got standards and when you don’t meet that quota, you just ask yourself why. There’s a reason why we keep losing and I want to know the reason."
The Panthers have lost four games, none by more than seven points. Their average margin of defeat: 5.5 points. They’ve lost to Green Bay, New Orleans and Chicago -- the last two Super Bowl winners and last year’s other NFC finalist. Yet the stat that matters the most is this: They’re 1-4.
"Nobody expected us to play well," Smith said. "We’ve raised the bar, but with that comes a lot of anticipation and things expected from us. We keep letting ourselves down, letting our fans down."
Smith’s found a fountain of youth with Newton at the controls of a pass-first offense, but youth may be the biggest reason for the Panthers ugly record. That was obvious Sunday with rookie mistakes made by their quarterback and head coach. But perhaps, instead of dwelling on the losses, it’s worth focusing more on where this team may be headed.
"(The losses) all suck, to be honest with you," Rivera said. "At some point it’s going to turn around. When it does...watch out, because we won’t forget."
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Nice article
I think we’re still way ahead of where a team like this should be. With the injuries, rook coach and QB, short offseason, tough schedule, we are looking pretty darn good.
I don't know how many of you have seen this but
I have even more respect for Cam after seeing how crushed he is about this loss. This is the guy that’s getting us to the Superb Owl. I have no doubts.
http://www.panthers.com/media-vault/videos/Cam-Newton-Postgame/c4150dab-4992-41ab-b69e-f1f280bdaedd
Not afraid. - Deuteronomy 31:6
Yea I saw this just now. I dont think I have ever seen a NFL QB take a loss so hard. As much as I love Cam’s determination and seeing how he is truely bothered about losing, it was almost painful to watch this but in a good way. I mean wow, his body language and demeanor of that whole press conference spoke volumes. Again, as ive said in the past, very Jordanesque.
So you realIzed we figured you out haha
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
"I'd rather jerk off a tiger in a phone booth than draft Cam"
-Mel Kiper, Jr.
you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Oct 10, 2011 12:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
PANTHERTRAIN!
"If ya ain't first, you're last."
- Ricky Bobby's Dad
"There is no evidence that the tongue is connected to the brain."
-Frank Tyger
by KaiserBromley on Oct 10, 2011 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Good stuff Bill
once we cut down on all the self-inflicted wounds….and we have a lot of them, we’ll really start to shine
"Don't put off til tomorrow what you can put off til the day after tomorrow." -Mark Twain
Anyone catch Tony Gonzalez intro on MNF?
I am, Tony Gonzalez University of California?
by chatoka on Oct 9, 2011 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I'm Ron Burgundy?
Anchorman That’s how he does it.
#PanthersMafia
by JohnnyMac080 on Oct 9, 2011 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahaha
yeah, I saw that. I thought that I had hallucinated for a second there.
by IsaidgoodDAY! on Oct 10, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I was also wondering if I saw that correctly.
by pantherdiehard on Oct 10, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll get it
The team is young but with maturity comes experience. It won’t be long before the Panthers lock down wins.
You get what you put in and people get what they deserve.
by Disciple of Carolina on Oct 9, 2011 8:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yup
~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'
by boywonderncsu on Oct 9, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Good article Bill… still sucks though. Hate losing to the friggin saints. The fact we had the game right there… gah.
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Yeah, I hate saying "We played good, but..."
Seriously, we just as easily could be sitting at 5-0 right now, beating some of the premiere teams of the league right now if it weren’t for 2-3 bonehead plays per game. It’s just some discipline that we’re lacking. From missing tackles or gap assignments, to running right routes or throwing the right route, we are just a couple plays away from seriously doing some damage. It sucks right now, but I think we’ll hang tough all year, and carry the momentum into next year and be right back in the thick of things for the division in 2012.
the good thing today for the d is....
That we didn’t give up any really big plays. We lost because brees took what we were giving him and used it like he should have. He is an elite qb, he should have been able to do that and he did. We will begin to make those stops that we aren’t making now. We are growing by leaps and bounds every week and once we have it down we will be a force to be reckoned with.
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Oct 10, 2011 12:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gotta tighten up, that's for sure.
Makes you wonder how sharp we’d be right now if we had Beason and Davis out there.
I thought
the defense played with purpose today. Room for improvement? Definitely. But with the exception to the opening gift that was handed to them, they earned those other 2 touchdowns. The coaches will get the guys they want for their defense over the next year or two and we’ll be a top 10 D again. I hope Gaither is alright he seemed to be doing well today.
Tough loss, they will remember these once the wins start rolling in and we’ll be a better team for it (as painful as it all is)
"When I've arrived, close my eyes"
What Did You Expect Against The Saints "LP"?
The Saints entered today scoring on average 31.5 points, and the Panthers held them to 30 points.
The Saints eentered today holding teams to 24.5 points per game, and the Panthers scored 27 points today.
Drew Brees passed for 359 yards to day, after averaging 352.5 passing yards per game, only 6.5 yards more than average.
Drew Brees averaged 8.0 YPA today, after a season average of 8.1 YPA.
Drew Brees completed 71.1% of his passes today, to his previous 69% completion percentage.
All the Panthers did was allow the Saints their season average numbers, so it wasn’t it wasn’t like some first time unexpected offensive explosion. Actually, I believe this week was the smallest rushing yards per carry allowed by the Panthers all season, 3.6 YPC (28 carries for 101 yards).
by PanthersRoar on Oct 9, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to read a dose of sanity.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 11, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dont have a point to this statement other than I just felt like making it. Mr $100 million “dream team” QB Vick had 4 interceptions today.. in one game. Cam has 6 for the whole season.
true.
Can’t say I’m not snickering everytime I see the Eagles lose (again), but even so, the timing of those 6 INTs haven’t helped either. I about came out of my chair when Cam threw the very first ball right at the corner today, looked like some of the INTs that Neil O’Donnell threw in the Super Bowl years ago where he didn’t even throw near his receivers but threw right at the Cowboys.
Yea that suprised me also. But how he was able to bounce right back after that and lead us back to a lead after being in a hole like that was very impressive. Yea, im not really making fun of the Eagles or Vick with that statement. I was pointing it out saying how far Cam is ahead of the curb and even the best QBs have bad days.
Oh and both the Panthers and Eagles are 1-4. Thats pretty crazy.
I've got 2 friends that are fanatical Eagle fans to the extreme, and a neighbor as well.
So yeah, can’t say it’s not awesome that the team that tried to buy a Super Bowl is doing no better so far than us. Doesn’t make me like 1-4 at all, but I’m liking 1-4 for the Eagles fo’ sho.
And another thing. Can we PLEASE atleast once try to run J Stew or D WILL in when its 1st and goal?! You are just begging for Cam to be hurt rushing him in there like that against D lineman shoulder first. Infact, have we even attempted one time running in Jstew or D Will inside the goal line? Hell even inside the redzone?
I predicted that we would win 6 games at the most.
I really figured 4-5 to be realistic when looking at the schedule. We’re miles further along than I thought we’d be and we should be 4-1 right now. Hope is killing me and these losses are ripping my heart out. There is no reason to believe we’ll win, but it doesn’t change the fact that I do. I can’t wait until our defense catches up with our offense. Payback is going to be a bitch!
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I love the delineation between a 'bad loser' and a 'sore loser'
I completely agree with Cam’s attitude… and I love it
Indeed...
I like how Cam is about it – every team loses, but he takes it personally when our team does. Instead of coming out there, shrugging the shoulders and being nonchalant – he’s visibly upset about it. That shows drive and determination.
~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'
by boywonderncsu on Oct 9, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no difference in a bad or poor loser when you drop your head and pout and whine about losing and Newton may be the worst loser of a so called grown man in the NFL I've ever seen
It amazes me how so many of you praise Newton for a “winning” attitude when he isn’t mentally tough enough to lose without completely breaking down in a childish fit where Shula has to hold his hand and console him or when Newton insinuates teammates are losers because they are mature enough to know that even though you don’t won’t to lose it happens . He surely isn’t a leader when he doesn’t interact with his teammates on the bench or locker room after a bad play or game. Not much of an example or actions to follow, The first thing you teach a kid when they start competing in sports is that 100% of the time somebody loses and if you do YOU HOLD YOUR HEAD UP ABD SHOW SOME DIGNITY AND MENTAL TOUGHNESS. All Newton is doing is exhibiting a weakness that teams will find a way to exploit. Welcome to playing in the Big Boy game, Cammie.
Is there a difference..
Between a bad troll and a poor troll?
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ig'nant.
I can only assume you’re basing this post upon the comments you’ve read on this blog and elsewhere (mostly elsewhere in all likelihood). Did you watch the presser? I did. Is that what you call pouting? I wouldn’t call it that. He seemed pissed to me. Very pissed. The kind of pissed you want your team leader to be after a tough divisional loss. The exact same kind of pissed your other division rivals don’t want to see the week prior to their first encounter with a renewed panthers team.
If you want an ‘It is what it is’ attitude after a loss and the high draft picks that come with that, you can saunter on over to mile high mediocrity city and troll them.
You’ve been excused.
Let me write this real slow so you might understand
Actually watched the presser (twice) as I stated in my post which you didn’t comprehend and yes, he did act down and discouraged and not the least bit angry and determined.. What do you think other teams’ coaches and players think when they see him sulking and inconsolable? They see emotional weakness and a fragile ego that they will figure out how to exploit. Do you see any of his teammates or players on other teams acting like Newton? No, huh? There are other players that are determined to win that can control themselves when they lose. It really is not cute and special because only he acts that way. If and when Newton grows up and figures out it’s not just about him and they don’t have to hold his hand and treat his emotions with kid gloves (Shula following him around, etc.) there are plenty of talented players to make this a good TEAM. I base my comments on what I see and hear. I don’t put much credence in what I read on here. Try some reality, it might open up a whole new world for you.
Seems like you're the sorest looser of them all.
Why don’t you worry about yourself and quit criticizing things you know nothing about. Apparently there is plenty of that going on for you right now.
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Interesting that you have been absent until now.
When you finally feel like you’ve built up a solid enough gameplan in what has been your quest to degenerate Cam Newton.
STFU.
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
Simple auto-correct error.
But why don’t we focus on things that matter? Like your mental health for starters. We’ll follow that with your inability to communicate in a way that is generally accepted by society.
And call it a morbid curiosity, but what is it like to feel compelled to verbally attack strangers? Its awfully brave of you to carry on like this behind an anonymous profile name. But you keep doing what you’re doing. Clearly it worked well for you today.
When you can hold a conversation like a normal person, I’d love for you to come back so we can have a discussion. Until then—don’t talk to me. I find you morose and depressing.
As for Newton: I’m not sure why the mere mention of him sends you into a boiling homicidal rage. But if you are really a fan of this team, you better get that under control because he isn’t going anywhere any time soon.
Okay, I’m done. This is me running home because I didn’t get my way. But remember, let’s focus on what really matters:
Assholes leave this place alone and unremembered.
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
I'm sure all of you buddies on here will keep you from being alone and unremembered
They will give you some +Cams and probably publish all of your comments in a book. Was that an insinuation that there would some kind of badass retaliation if you knew who I was? Give me a break. Dude, all of this over some blog comments? This seems to be very important to you to waste all of the time and energy it appears you spend on here. Do you not have something better to than worship a professional athlete that wouldn’t let you smell him fart? But certainly none of my business. That’s the thing, I don’t care about this crap but I do have opinion that evidently you can’t handle without busting a vein. Deal with or don’t, who the hell cares?
I'm not sure what your angle is here.
I don’t know whether you’re a fan of another team living in NC and attempting to troll, a real fan who has a very skewed perception of reality, or a bigot, because from judging your history here you have a habit of only discussing your bizarre attachment to berating Cam Newton, and little else.
There have been long time debates whether players should be forced to attend post game press conferences. This is because (amazingly) there are different personality types in this world… WHAT A CONCEPT! There are some who internalize victory and defeat, others who externalize them and a third type where neither bother them. This third group never wins, never succeeds.
Have you ever seen Bill Belichick give a press conference following a loss? It’s almost identical to Cam Newton. He externalizes his disgust for a loss, but is professional enough to answer the questions directed at him and get through the press conference as quickly as possible.
Did you ever see Michael Jordan give a press conference following an important loss? The same scenario rings true too.
Who do you think you are to critique the way someone carries them self? This isn’t Pop Warner with its orange slices and participation ribbons, it’s the NFL. Any QB worth his salt takes losses hard, because that means they’re approaching the situation with enough gravitas that they’re willing to put the work in and study to avoid losses in the future.
If you’d rather a user car salesman type who looks like a golden child in front of the camera and feels the same way Cam does off it then fine… but you’ll need to find another team. Personally, I’m more impressed with honestly and knowing that what we see is what we get than getting pissed on and being told it’s raining.
by James Dator on Oct 10, 2011 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions 12 recs
Rec'd...oh and ban this prick.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
No angle, just an opinion
Let me address a few of your statements: A real fan? Yes, probably longer than you but that doesn’t matter. I can be a real fan even though I don’t agree with you or your blog buddies. Bigot? No, Moon already tried the race card and it didn’t work, sorry.
I think it might be better that he doesn’t do post game interviews if he is going to hang his head and insinuate anybody that is consoling him has a loser mentality. Greg Olsen? Notice that at least those statements were gone this week? I really wonder how JR feels about all of this drama? Would he rather see tattoos and piercings? The face of his franchise?
Yes, I have seen the poorest sport in the NFL (Belichick) pout in an interview and refuse to shake Manning’s hand after a loss. Is Cam shaking hands after a game? I really don’t know since the first game when he was out grinning and hugging guys after a loss. Did the losing hard just hit him after that? Watch it, it happened.
Before you get self righteous about me critiqueing something or someone read back in some of yours and your buddies’ posts. It’s fine if Cam loses hard but I don’t see him coming back and getting fired up on the sidelines or in the games. When he goes off the field after a mistake and sulks under his towel, teams will take advantage of ii.
It’s a good thing that this isn’t Pop Warner football because the mean kids would laugh at him. Just saw some talking heads on ESPN tell him to grow up. What do I know?
I think it shows some insecurity and double standard when you can’t handle an opposing opinion Oh yeah, the Troll thing really hurts from all of you. Give me a break.
Wow Dator, I just noticed that you deleted/censored comments between Bigdavis and I
Is this how you and he deal with something you don’t like? Maybe you just don’t want it seen that he reacted like a child telling me to rot in hell as a response to my comments. Mature and intelligent, wasn’t it? Its pretty convenient to just erase things you don’t want to hear isn’t it?
FYI...James isn't the only editor who hides comments.
I’m not saying who did it (because it really doesn’t matter), but only that it wasn’t James.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
And also FYI...I didn't do it either.
I have no dog in this fight.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
OK My apologies to you Mr. Dator for the censorship comment but won't apologize for my opinions
but whoever did hide them I really hope it boosts your ego and makes you feel powerful to manipulate BLOG comments because you can’t deal with them and then not own up to it. BLOG police, don’t you feel a little silly? Is this kindergarten crap really that important and significant to you? Grow up.
LOL
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
Better but no wonder you need editorial help to cover for you
but look, your little minion has arrived being all indignant to help too.
If this guy hasn't been banned, he needs to be.
Because this childish behavior just ruined this thread for me.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 11, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Just watched his post-game presser, and I was impressed by how articulate he has become.
And that’s very hard to pull off when he’s obviously deeply affected by these close losses, and he’s being constantly asked these open-ended, generalized questions (“what was your mindset; how are you feeling?”)
He expressed himself very well, showing his confidence in his coach, respect for the other team (even Roman Harper, respect for his own teammates, who play hurt, and – maybe most of all, responsibility for his shortcomings, without ever bragging about his accomplishments.
What a winner he is, in every sense except (temporarily) in the numerical column of tallied results.
As a fan it is difficult but
I’m willing to sit back and let our team develop. It sucks so bad cause I want to win now but I honestly can’t think of many teams that had sucess with a young team, new coaches and a rookie QB. Not to metion our short off season and injuries to key players. I do however have this feeling that we will turn this season around starting this week. Everyone has taken ownership of this lost from the top down.
It's very annoying...
to hear Brees talk about how everyone in the huddle was so calm, cool, and collected on that final drive because they’ve been there before. The Panthers seem to come up so small in the biggest moments. However, there is hope my Panther friends. The inexperience that is so conspicuously defining our season so far will be a distant memory before you know it. The Panthers have seemingly only proven that they are quite good at finding ways to lose. However, that simply isn’t the case, because they’ve proven something more vital than any of us could ever have imagined so soon: They can play with anyone in this league. When they finally do figure it out through trial and error, the rest of the league will ultimately realize the Panthers won’t be denied.
How can you let someone get away with this? Obviously not Cam Newton
@realcamnewton1
#TeamCam You Guys Are Making Tidays Loss Seem Like Nothing Thx
everyone who knows anything about sports knows cam isn't on twitter
"Don't put off til tomorrow what you can put off til the day after tomorrow." -Mark Twain
by SouthernPanther on Oct 9, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Shockey speaks...
@CamNewton_01 cam dont have twitter buddy
by whiskeytango77 on Oct 9, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
They're far removed from 2-14?
Is this a serious a statement? The Panthers aren’t far removed from 2-14. We’ve lost to the Saints & Packers by a combined total of 10 points and people are giving Mr. Voth respect for this article?
Mr. Voth usually writes something of substance but this is the furthest the truth. I feel like Lando Calrissian just sold out the people of Cloud City.
Who wants to pop this cherry and give a response with dignity?
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
Are you serious?
Because I expect more from someone using the name Ron Burgandy. If you can’t see the improvement from the 2-14 team we were last season than you are a blind fool. Your point is moronic since it clearly contradicts the condescending statement you’re trying to make.
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Your missing my point
I absolutely see the improvement but i see this as a swipe at the Panthers, Maybe it’s just me.
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
* you're
~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'
by boywonderncsu on Oct 9, 2011 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Trolling, Trolling, Trolling.
I keep thinking of the old show Rawhide when I see a post like that one. Just joined 30 minutes ALAC. Think he’s just trying to get our hackles up.
Yes I'm trolling
Because I joined a message board 30 minutes ago.
I’ve been to Atlanta, Tampa, DC, Baltimore, Nashville, New Orleans, Seattle to watch the Panthers play but I’m trolling.
Just misunderstood.
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bill means "we're not far removed from 2-14" in terms of time, not in terms of quality of play.
That’s how I interpreted it anyway.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Somewhat BW
In terms of play, this team is light years head of last year. I really don’t understand how someone wouldn’t see that.
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm...
a) you misquoted me; b) “not far removed” is an expression of time and has nothing to do with quality of play. not sure many would consider january to october a very long period of time. but hey, thanks for reading!
It's the NFL
Mr. Voth. 9 months is a huge period of time. The Panthers are a millions time better, the Chiefs suck, the Steelers D is average, and the Cowboys are still the Cowboys. Sorry I misunderstood you.
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
feel like...
i’m hitting my head against a wall. it’s an expression. a commonly used one. they’re FIVE games into a new season after a 2-14 season. that is…not far removed.
by Bill Voth on Oct 9, 2011 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That about sum it up? ;)
~A bullet may have your name on it...but grenades are addressed 'to whom it may be concerned...'
by boywonderncsu on Oct 9, 2011 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Good to know you confirmed...yay, I still have reading comprehension skills!
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
But no social skillz right?
;)
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Yep, that's me....
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
me in a nutshell!
"Don't tell me about the pain, just bring me the baby" Cam Newton
by braves&panthers4ever on Oct 10, 2011 12:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If I didn't love my current CSR profile image so much...
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
i try to stay off comments...
but this one was too hard to stay away from. thanks for reading as intended.
No problem...us editorial types have to stick together! :-)
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Bill
What record do you see them ending up with?
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
just like i like to stay off comments...
i don’t like to make predictions like that cause i’m wrong enough in other ways.
have said for months that record this year doesn’t mean a thing. what you’re seeing with #1 is what matters most.
Bill, you need an avitar...
I suggest this:
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
by BW Smith on Oct 9, 2011 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
I agree
I guess, I just misinterpreted your article and tone. My apologies, I’ve always appreciated and respected your insight.
by iamronburgandy? on Oct 9, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
no worries...
and BW, i kinda like my nondescript avatar since i’m not around here much. better than the twitter egg.
good point...probably best to remain in stealth mode.
But, you could come around more often, we don’t bite here.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
Learning how to lose is part of learning how to win.
by TylerA7707 on Oct 9, 2011 10:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I take it that's not a Cam Newton quote
by FF Companion on Oct 9, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
The difference between a successful person and others is not a lack of strength, not a lack of knowledge,
but rather in a lack of will.
- Vince Lombardi
by Tommy_The_Pantherian on Oct 10, 2011 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions
How did Gamble do? Yards, catches, tds he allowed?
by adam carter on Oct 9, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
He had 3 tackles, at least one pass defended
They played the old cover 2 zone most of the day, hard to quantify anyone’s play based on zone coverage.
by FF Companion on Oct 9, 2011 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont mean to rub salt in the wound of Clausen and beat a dead horse, but being the stats nerd that I am, I was bored and decided to compare. Jimmeh last year across 13 games. 3 TDs, 9 interceptions, 4.50 ypa passing, 1558 yds. Cam Newton across only 5 games; 13 total TDs, 6 interceptions, 8.50 YPA passing and over 1600 yds passing. Thats just crazy when you compare the stats.
i had to figure Cam would outstrip Jimmy but...
I’m surprised to see Cam on pace to just about double Jimmy’s INTs. This probably says more about the increased number passing attempts than it does about accuracy. Still, I think there’s something to be learned about Cam’s risk taking here. Is he taking too many bad chances or are the INTs the result of something else?
Throwing away the ball and fumbles lost.
Cam has thrown the ball away, what, once all season? I won’t pretend to know how many times Clausen threw the ball out of bounds after giving up on a play, but I’m pretty sure it was more than once. Also, Jimmy lost 6 fumbles last year, and Cam has yet to do that.
In other news, Cam has already surpassed Jimmy’s entire season last year (1558) with 1610 passing yards. By the time Cam starts his 10th game (the same amount of games that Clausen started last year), he will have easily topped last year’s starter in attempts, completions, and interceptions.
Oh, and wins. At least a handful of more wins.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
The INTs are a function of how many times he throws it, and to an extent, the aggression with which he throws it..
By aggression I mean his avoidance of dink and dunk, safe [asses, and his penchant for making the longer, and therefore, more difficult, ones.
Note these stats:
He’s thrown 29 passes of 20+yds, second in the league only to Tom Brady, and only by 1.
It’s true he’s been intercepted 6 times, which is tied for 4th most in the league, but he’s only 4/10ths of a pass attempt per game from being 4th there, too, so I’d say that’s in line with the other leaders.
In YPA, he ranks 6th, again only 1/10th of a yard from 4th. In outright yardage, he’s 4th, again in number of passing attempts, he’s 4th.
There’s really nothing to be gained by comparing him to a dead horse on the inactive list – he’s more aptly to be compared to the top QBs in the league, as in just about every measure, he’s near the leaders.
The fact that the team was contemplating whom to start at the begining of the season sounds like a ludicrous ideat at this point in time.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
We need a #2 reciever, send Naanee packing!!
This guy is frustrates me. The give up/ slide on that 30 yard pass while every other reciever in the NFL fights for extra yards, 30 something passes thrown his way and bouncing off his hands, this guy hasnt shown anything. Kerry Colbert, Drew Carter, Dwayne Jarrett, and the saga of wide reciever bumbs continues in Carolina!
I get the fact that he isn't a solid number 2 quality WR but...
Why criticize so much in this game? He had some nice plays for some good yardage including a critical conversion on third down. He was also the one who made the block against the Saints defender that allowed Deangelo Williams to score the touchdown. All in all I wouldn’t really direct much criticism towards him as a result of this game.
It seems to me that when the team loses some of us tend to look for reasons and scapegoats on which to unleash our frustrations. Someone yesterday actually attempted to criticize Charles Godfrey in a game where he had the most total tackles, with 9, and 2 passes defended against Jimmy Graham. Of all games, why would one select this one to criticize him against? I guess that’s what losses due to one’s mentality.
"Hope for the best plan for the worst"
"They laugh at me because I'm different, I laugh at them because they're all the same"
Timeout
Coach didn’t call the timeout. #54 did. But I think its good that Coach would take the blame for his guy.
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