Panthers Week 5 Stock Watch
by Jaxon on Oct 5, 2011 10:37 PM EDT
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PrintFirst year Panthers head coach Ron Rivera has not been tentative in his quest to improve every single one of his 53 roster spots. After a trend of special teams gaffs he made a statement move by releasing S Sean Considine and replacing him with a rookie 5th round draft pick cut by St. Louis.You could say his stock crashed. DE George Selvie would soon join Considine in the ranks of the unemployed. So are there other Panthers who's stock is falling? What about those on the rise?
Stock Falling
With the arrival of free agent DT Ron Fields Neblett found himself inactive against the Bears. Given the Panthers run defense seemed to perform better between the tackles against the Bears Neblett might stay on the pine.
WR Legadu Naanee
When asked about Naanee recently Rivera seemed to give him a vote of confidence. Given his recent candid commentary regarding player performance I have to take him at his word. I don't share his sentiment at the moment after Naanee only brought down 4 of 11 targets this past Sunday. So to say his stock is falling is only my speculation as 4 for 11 is hard to ignore.
KR Mike Goodson
Goodson is a prime example of Rivera being candid about a player's performance. As James stated on Cat Scratch Radio last night, Goodson was not replaced by S Jordan Pugh on kick returns late in the Bears game because of bruised ribs. Rivera ccandidly stated 'he was looking for a spark' in the return game. Goodson was guilty of being tentative on kick returns his rookie year but then took a step up his 2nd year. It would seem now he has stepped back.
We've got players whose stock is rising ...after the jump...
Stock Rising
QB Cam Newton
Though Newton's stock might seem maxed out for Panther fans his stock continues to rise across the entire football landscape. In fact per Rivera his stock is now setting the standard for the rest of the team.
In his first start as a Panther replacing the injured Chris Gamble, Butler flashed the speed and athleticism that got him drafted in the 2nd round in 2009. He also made a picture-perfect tackle on Bears RB Matt Forte that Butler himself found twitter-profile pic worthy. If only he had made a handful more tackles on Forte...Regardless, this guys stock is on the rise in the Panther secondary as he assumes the nickel back spot upon Gamble's expected return.
Bell not only filled in well for RT Jeff Otah while Otah was out with a concussion but now that Otah is back Bell continues to rotate into the line-up. It might be due to Otah's mild back strain but I'm sure it also has to do with Bell playing beyond his years.
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i guess ill start the commenting
Can Cam’s stock keep rising? if so how high can it get?
by jazztrumpeter89 on Oct 5, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions
Well he's around 4th or 5th overall in fantasy points depending on how you score...
so he has a few more spots to rise.
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NFL.com says he can be the greatest rookie ever
by usana_gaines on Oct 6, 2011 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great vid
thx UG
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by Brandon Vincent on Oct 6, 2011 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
With Goodson A Free Agent After The 2012 Season, At What Point Do You Think Trading Goodson Should Be Considered?
Goodson had some reasonably good stats last season, 4.4 YPC on 103 carries, and 40 catches for 7.8 yards per catch,
Jaxon, I like Goodson, and the Panthers do need a good 3rd RB, but with the declining use of Goodson, at what point does it become better to trade Goodson before his trade value drops too far?
Has Goodson fumbled a ball since the day he had to carry 1?
I don’t recall any fumbles after that, I say keep him if we can afford him.
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he was benched in bears game for muffing a kickoff
Luckily, he still managed to get 20 out of it.
Liked how you saw how these player's were really producing.
I am really liking what the Bell kid has shown. Hope he keeps it up and becomes a steal for us. Goodson just seams to scared or razzled for us. Maybe we look at moving him for some value and get another player in next years draft that is a better kick returner than Goodson. Just bump up Vaughn from the practice squad for our 3rd back.
I like Carolina.
You guys seem to be a season or two away from moving away from the hard-to-out team to a flat-out scary team. Cam looks legit so far.
Beef up your D-Line and get some offensive play makers.
BuffaloRumblings sucks. I got banned because I used to shred their crappy articles in the comments section. Plus I would present the best arguments and make the best points, just to have them "warn" me for being "aggressive" and then they would make articles using the very substance of my posts...Wow Rumblings, you guys suck and can't handle having someone who isn't a mindless drone that agrees with everything you spew.
fitz
Lots of people said the Bills were gonna go after CAM, possibly trade up to get him. I thought none of those experts have seen Fitzpatrick play. The guy was killling it last year, and I’ve won fantasy championships with Fred Jackson. Fitz is the real deal, and I like seeing him air it out. You guys are legit, and will bounce back this week.
by usana_gaines on Oct 6, 2011 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed with this
Fitzpatrick was badly underrated. They have have had young receivers step up too – hope some of our guys in the WR corps are paying attention to it.
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Agreed
All the talk about the Bills bothered me, because I thought Fitz was getting unfairly passed over. I’m glad he got another shot and is making the most of it. He’s one of the few guys on another team that I really hope succeeds.
Sorry that should have said talk about the Bills taking a QB in the draft
Kinda lost my train of thought for a second.
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Thanks dude. Yea we have the 3rd ranked offense in the league but cant win damn games and blow leads. Never thought in a million years id say this this season but we are almost mirror image of the Eagles. A team loaded with talent with a QB that puts up monster numbers, but cant win games because of our defense and like the Eagles we are plagued by injuries. Yea we are the Philadelphia Eagles twin brother this season.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Oct 6, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
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You could take Panthers players, put them in Eagles uniforms and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference and vice versa
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Oct 6, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I would rather
the Panthers be a mirror image of anyone other than the Eagles. And I really hope that Cam isnt a mirror image of Vick. I’m just sayin
by Brandon Beaver on Oct 6, 2011 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Wtf... Terrible comment haha very wrong
"What up? We're three cool guys looking for other cool guys who wanna hang out in our party mansion. Nothing sexual. Dudes in good shape encouraged. If you're fat, you should be able to find humor in the little things." Again, NOTHING SEXUAL
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you guys are like a bunch of pirahnas
by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Oct 7, 2011 2:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
rising youngins
What do you think? Could Bell be the answer at RG alongside Otah? Or are we better off keeping him at RT in case Otah can’t make it? If he plays well enough, Otah could be gone next year with all of his injuries.
Is Butler possibly better than Munnerlyn? SHould Cap’n be the nickel?
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Oh and speakimg of which. Otah and Hangartner did not practice today due to back issues and Shockey out most likely Sunday. Shockey being out is going to sting
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Oct 6, 2011 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Change up on the injuries... Otah and Hangartner both practiced fully today and will play. Shockey had limited practice,
but they think he’ll be ready. He has to be cleared medically, but he’s got a serious axe to grind against the Saints.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Great Points "Usama"
If Schwartz returns next year from his injury, and he’s also a free agent, then I think he still holds onto the RG job, with Bell remaining as the backup RG/RT, but OT is sort of up in the air for next season.
Jeff Otah is under contract through 2012, with the odd qurk of costing more to cut than to keep. So, Otah should remain, unless they trade him, but then they would likely have to draft a 1st round replacement. however by 2013 Bell should be ready to take over as the starting RT. I think they will likely keep RT Otah and RG Schwartz as starters, with Bell being the top backup OT/OG next year, but anything can happen.
Jordan Gross is still very good, but aging, and will need to be replaced in the coming years, but probably not for a couple of years, unless he or another OT is traded.
by PanthersRoar on Oct 6, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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Quote frankly, i say until Hogan comes out and starts returning punts for us, we should just call a fair catch on every punt return. The guys we have now cant return worth a damn and when they do finally by miracle get to the 30 yd line, a flag backs up half a distance to the goal. Hogan is going to be a beast on punt returns, i have a great feeling about him. Guess you could say I have a football man crush on Hogan. Cant wait until after the bye when he (hopefully) makes his debut.
by NewtoniumPanthers57 on Oct 6, 2011 12:45 AM EDT reply actions
Hogan will have the same
success as AE or anyone else who returns punts if noone blocks for him.
by Brandon Beaver on Oct 6, 2011 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
do you mean kick-off returns?
Punt returns haven’t been stellar, but they haven’t been horrible, either…
I would like to see Pilares returning kicks/punts
He has the speed and the build for it. He might need practice, but I bet he would be our best option.
by Panthster on Oct 6, 2011 10:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed
I think Pilares punt catching and RB skills would come into play here. You can’t take a guy who hasn’t done that job since middle school and expect productivity at this level. As a former RB and a college WR, Pilares’ ball skills invite a try at the spot.
Nothing against Edwards, but the PR spot is not for him.
You can't blame the return guy (Edwards) for penalties,
Hogan won’t be able to stop the penalties any more than Edwards can. I don’t think Armanti has done bad compared to the rest of the special teams.
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i'm afraid norwood is not developing yet as i'd hoped
and might be looking like a bust in the steps of Brown
SIMPLE AND PLAIN
It's kind of hard to compare the two...
Brown was a 2nd rounder that cost us a 1st round pick.
Norwood was a 4th round pick.
The scales are not balanced.
It’s difficult to justify calling a guy drafted below the 3rd round a “bust”, because if he were expected to be good/great, he would have been drafted before the 4th round.
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I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
If Not A Bust, Then Norwood Is Certainly A Disappointment
Norwood’s a tweener, small for a DE, who might best fit as a 3-4 OLB.
The best measure of if Norwood should be considered a draft mistake is to look at the players the Panthers passed over to draft Norwood at #124.
125 – TE Clay Harbor (6-2 7/8, 252, a Combine 4.69-40, a Pro Day 4.56-40), by the Eagles
126 – CB/FS Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (6-0 1/4, 207, 4.30-40), by the Cowboys
146 – NT Cam Thomas (6-3 7/8, 330, a Combine 5.32-40, a Pro Day 5.14-40, 1.73-10), by the Chargers
If the Panthers hadn’t traded the #112 pick to the Jets for the #124 (Norwood) and #198 (WR David Gettis) picks they could have also selected the following players.
113 – TE Aaron Hernandes (6-2 3/8, 245, 4.56-40) , by the Patriots
120 – Pass rushing DT Geno Atkins (6-2, 293, a Combine 4.86-40, a 4.75-40, and a 1.68-10) by the Bengals.
Those are the only players from the #112 pick through the whole 4th round that are easily better than Norwood so far. I was heartbroken twice by the Norwood pick, the trade having them pass up a very good pass rushing DT in Atkins, and after the trade passing up CB/S Akwasi Owusu-Ansah.
by PanthersRoar on Oct 6, 2011 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm even if the panthers
had kept the picks, would these players such as Aaron h, Atkins, etc would have success under fox? Not in my eyes. Matter of fact, Aaron h would be more of a blocker than a pass catcher. Combines doesn’t determine a players success, being in the right systems does.
by adam carter on Oct 6, 2011 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's Right Adam & I've Made The Same Point About System Fits
Atkins had 3.5 sacks as a backup DT (their 4th DT) with the Bengals as a rookie last year. McClain weighs 2 pounds less than Atkins, is a starting DT for the Panthers, with no sacks (yet), and will likely finish his rookie year with 1/2 of Atkins rookie sack total.
He was never even on the stockmarket
He’s one of those stocks traded in a foreign exchange.
by Panthster on Oct 6, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
One would think so, but Rivera said he's not changing the WR order: Smith, Naanee, Lafell
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
How about...
Stock Rising: DeAngelo Williams
Seems like a lot of people here were ready to stick a fork in DW3. I think he showed he’s still got significant burst and playmaking ability.
Ya, he had a few forks in his jersey
by Panthster on Oct 6, 2011 10:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We'll need him this week, for sure. Obviously, he's still got the burners, and now we have the blockers.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Funny story about D-WIll - He's never had a 100 yard game in the first 5 weeks
Including his two 1000+ yard seasons. He starts slow every year, and I think everyone was way too quick to jump on him.
I didn't jump on him, but...
I didn’t notice that he was slow to start each season. I just figured he was working through an injury or something.
I wonder if that is lack of off season training or just to much pizza.
Armanti?
I really don’t think there’s a question about Edwards lack of productivity. To date, it’s been only that he hasn’t fumbled. I have stated many times that as a former PR, it is one of the hardest jobs on the field. You are the safety and a mistake means they get the ball – deep.
He is concentrating so much on catching the ball that he neglects reading the rush. That ability comes only with experience and he can’t get that at this level. I recommend using Pilares or someone who as actually done it before to get some kind of plus yardage on PR. In my mind Edward’s stock is falling.
I feel the same
You definately want to reserve a spot for him in some capacity but I don’t think PR/KR is it. I believe that he would be a better receiver than “LA” (Nanaa), so that’s where the team should put major focus on him at. He looked really good during the pre-season at receiver… a few drops here and there with contact, but he caught more than NaNaa.
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by Caro2daheart... on Oct 6, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
munnerlyn has proved he can get you 10 yards per return consistently
the longer AE goes without “breaking the big one”, the better those 10 yards per return are looking.
SIMPLE AND PLAIN
You mean...
Converting one of the most prolific passers in college football doesn’t automatically translate into a good kick returner? Well as a qb, he is used to catching the ball during shotguns so therefore he will be able to catch a ball falling through the air from a kicker. And he once read the opposing teams defense so he should be able to read kick coverage. And he is used to people trying to sack him, so he should be able to avoid tackles. And he saw running backs run after he handed the ball to them, so he should be able to run down the field with the ball.
I can’t imagine why this isn’t working. Maybe we should try him at punter since Baker failed last week. So you want me to go through the logic on that one?
by Panthster on Oct 6, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have to disagree on some of this
he may be concentrating on catching but when he does look all he sees is 5 or 6 players wearing different color uniforms. Our blocking on both PR and KR’s stinks. As a former defensive and ST player nothing would please us more than to have that many unblocked players in front of a returner. The yards he has been able to get he has had to do mostly on his own. I know a good returner has to make usually 1 or 2 guys miss in order to have a good return but 4, 5, or 6. That’s nuts. Our coverage teams are not even in the picture most of the time much less engaged with someone. I would prefer he not be back there even if we only use him in special packages but to blame him for lack of production is not right. All 11 need to do MUCH better, not just AE.
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TripT, you are right on! I am sick and tired of people knocking on AE when he’s done a great job considering the lack of any blocking on returns. Why is nobody mentioning that in the Panther’s only win, AE set up the offense at mid-field with a great move in traffic to the outside??
I think Smith's stock is rising too.
Before this season everyone was saying he is getting old, he can’t keep up with younger corners, He lost a step. Now what are they saying about him, “second place in receiving yards”.
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Hardy should be on the rise list as well
He is a nice compliment to CJ – they are both keeping us in games on the D side of the ball. Now if we can just get our young ’uns at DT to plug up some of those gaping holes, and the LBs to make some tackles on the run……
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we also need someone else to be a pass rush threat. i know the players are still learning the system and it’ll take time before we can blitz like they want to but whether it comes from a corner blitz, a tackle or a lb we need someone other than our DE’s to put some pressure on opposing qb’s.
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I would agree if not for one thing...
Most of us expecting Hardy to do this. He may be on the rise for people unfamiliar with the Panthers, but I think that for those of us who are fans, he’s just proving to be what we thought he would be.
Butler was a very pleasant surprise. The (one) tackle he put on Forte was a thing of beauty.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
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