Weinke: Critics Missed on Newton's Intelligence
by Jaxon on Oct 28, 2011 8:59 AM EDT
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As soon as I started reading this piece by Mike Freeman with CBS Sports I had to write on it myself. Let's start with the issue I wrapped the head line around, what QB guru Chris Weinke thinks the critics missed in their assessment of Cam Newton pre-draft:
"The biggest thing people missed was that they underestimated how smart he was," Weinke said in a telephone interview. "When he was at Auburn, that offense was simplistic. He did what he was asked to do: run a simple offense.
"But somehow people made the leap that was all he could do. No one gave him credit for being an intellectual guy, which he clearly is. They wrongly just assumed he wasn't smart."
He goes on to point out the Gruden QB camp interview unfairly portrayed Newton as not being smart:
"The media is very powerful," Weinke said. "That thing with Gruden hurt him and the media after that portrayed him as a dumb guy."
The piece goes on to recount the story we heard a log time ago about Newton catching passes from Ponder and how each began to push each other. I also love the Weinke says everything he taught Newton in those 8 weeks 'stuck' and that he gave Newton a 25 question test on formation and he aced it.
It's hard to argue that Weinke isn't right. Newton's performance, his ability to stay in the pocket and go through his progressions has proven the fallacy of his supposed biggest weakness. Look out NFL...because he is only going to get better.
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Good read
As much as I hate to look back on those questions surrounding Newton, I can’t deny that it was those questions and flags that have made him even better. We were not sure what we were going to get with this guy. But I sure am glad we got him. He has more flavor than that guy from Stanford, he has (dare I say it) a lovable face (my wife is in love with the Cam).
WE HAVE OUR QB TO BUILD OR FRANCHISE AROUND!!!!!!
And over there in the tree, is a chipmunk nest. And that right there, is our corn, best in the city, it's delcious. And that is a crazy lady. So now you pretty much know what I do. Pretty dang exciting, huh?
I think a lot of it has to do with the ability to communicate
When he’s talking to the press, in several situations I see a similar problem I have displayed on his face: He’s got something to say in his mind but he’s struggling to form that into a message that can easily be spoken. A lot of times, a poor ability to communicate can be taken for a lack of intelligence. Granted, I think he’s a good communicator and is very comfortable with the press now, but its something hes substantially improved on and something he simply wasn’t very good at pre-draft.
The difference between wisdom and knowledge
Cam has proven himself to be a smart guy (I was not one that was happy with us picking him). Based on what the media said and all the talking heads, he shouldn’t have been the pick. Thank goodness for Hurney and Rivera giving him due diligence and finding the pundits to be wrong.
As for what ppalm said about him not being able to express his thoughts, that is just where wisdom will come in as he gains it. I’d like to think I’m a pretty intelligent person, but would definitely have trouble getting my thoughts out of my head with lights and camera in my face.
The difference between wisom and knowledge
“Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit… Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad”
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I like a tomato in my salad.
No need to start a rampid tomato bashing thread
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I concur.
Cherry tomatoes belong in all my traditional salads, and as many as possible, especially in season.
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Tater596, I've got a couple of comments on your post
1.) Your explanation of the difference between wisdom and knowledge is brilliant.
2.) The guy that stated Cam was having trouble with expressing himself in interviews must of been watching interviews that were different than the ones I did. Cam answered questions with clear compact answers. I was amazed at his interview skills; he seemed to have anticipated every question they were going to ask and took the time to prepare his answers before the interview. I was so amazed that I did research on his earlier interviews while he was playing for Auburn to see if he was different in those. He was exactly the same. Cam has a natural talent to handle pressure situations and a passion to do what ever it takes to succeed!! Praise the Lord and let’s enjoy the ride!!
He's not trying to impress anybody in the media now
Before he had to be on his P’s and Q’s. Now he’s making jokes, and speaking his mind without worry of repercussions.
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by southtunnel on Oct 28, 2011 10:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it was further complicated pre-draft
Many of us know how it can be when presenting yourself to potential employers. You get nervous, and a little tongue tied. The things flying around in your head don’t always come out the right way, and this usually continues for awhile until you’re no longer the new kid in town anymore.
I think some people watch Cam’s press conferences, and consider him to be a bit simple. Not the case at all. He is very animated, and just has a great personality. All the sound effects that he makes while talking to the media just show how excited he is to do what he is doing. I couldn’t ask for more.
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Cam, OH CAM!!!!
Carolina we have our franchise QB, and it couldn’t feel better. =)
by JAKE_OB on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The thing I find most intetesting about this
Is that Weinke has done more for this franchise as a third-party coach than he ever did as a player.
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Weinke is the classic case of an excellent college player who didn’t quite translate to the pros.
Doesn’t mean he doesn’t understand playing QB on a very deep level. His work with Cam (and possibly Ponder) are very bright spots on his coaching resume.
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by Tater596 on Oct 28, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Same for Jason Garrett...
Jason Garrett started out as a backup QB with Dallas. Eventually became an assistant coach, offensive coordinator, and now a head coach. Individually, his physical talent wasn’t enough to claim the starter’s job. But the guy knows QBs and offenses. And he ’s done the most that he can with that talent. I view Weinke in the same vein.
What? Was that only worth a penny? :-)
That read like 2 cents worth to me.
Gruden is a half wit.
Gruden new what he was trying to do when he asked Cam about the Auburn Play calls. The strange thing is that he did not throw the other QB’s under the bus in the manner he did to Cam. I mean how difficult can it be to recite random words in a specific sequence to call a play. I mean calling a NFL play is stupid and nonsensical but it not Quantum Physics. Somehow Gruden has convinced himself that NFL play-calling is on a Quantum Physics level. Sure he has a super-bowl ring. But come on….. it was a fluke. His Bucs team were playing the Raiders! Yes the Oakland Raiders. At that time most college teams wouldn’t lose to the Raiders so…. Anyways atleast Cam handled the whole Gruden “36” debacle with class. Gruden? Classless. But hey you need more detractors and nay sayers than supports in life to keep you motivated to succeed in life. That’s exactly what Cam is doing.
by SimmerDownNow on Oct 28, 2011 10:01 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
In fairness... that Buccs Super Bowl team featured arguably one of the greatest defenses of all time
The offense didn’t need to be amazing, but it did plenty to get a lead. Then the defense simply took over the game.
You are talking about guys at their peak like Warren Sapp, Derek Brooks, John Lynch, Ronde Barber, etc.
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Agree, that defense was amazing
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Oct 28, 2011 10:22 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yup, absolutely sick.
Not to mention the legend Monte Kiffin at the helm.
Which I think was more a result of Monte Kiffen and Tony Dungy
Gruden won with someone else’s coaching the same way Coker won at Miami with Butch Davis’ coaching.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Oct 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't really say he won with someone else's coaching.
He was the coach for the team that won, and he played the team he coached the year b4, so either way he was coaching a superbowl team, as it turned out he was on the winning side of it.
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Gruden won with Dungy's players
I look at what become of the team after the Gruden effect took hold, the my way or the highway type of stuff. Gruden’s drafted players weren’t very impressive at all. What occurred at the revolving door of QB after Gruden’s Super Bowl win was beyond ridiculous. For a guy that knows so much about QB’s he certainly made a mockery of that position in Tampa.
Dude fail of a post
That Raiders team was DIRTY, and should have ended the Pats dynasty before it even began (tuck rule). Shows how much you know haha
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by chop goes da weazel on Mar 31, 2011 12:32 PM PDT
by MikeTrain on Oct 28, 2011 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed...
And Gannon was having a killer season that year.
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Oct 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that his MVP season?
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by KaiserBromley on Oct 29, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Gruden's job was to be an "entertainer and icon" on that show
He needed some controversy so he sought to uncover a weakness or something that could be perceived as one. Gruden was doing his job; I don’t think it was personal.
by CarvedTones on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a team that made it to the superbowl,
At that time most college teams wouldn’t lose to the Raiders so….
You think a college team can beat a superbowl team?
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A college team couldn't beat an NFL team.
As for the reason the Bucs won that SB, look no further than Gruden’s experience in Oakland. He basically handed over the Raiders’ playbook to his defence.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Gruden still got the Bucs to the superbowl,
Maybe he had an edge winning it, but he was the coach that got his team there.
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Cam is tha MAN!
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by CaptainPanther on Oct 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT reply actions
One of my favorite parts of the article:
Well, Auburn doesn’t have a complicated system. One of their plays was “36.” Literally, that was a play. Thirty freaking six.
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by Newsinz on Oct 28, 2011 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The stuff people were saying about him was ridiculous
Really you are not going to draft a guy because an idiot says he has a fake smile. That was just unbelievable. I thought Cam aced grudens interview. Yes he misspoke his “ammunition” analogy which he was probably just repeating what somebody else said. I thought his great personally shined through the interview. He sort of fumbled the ridiculous play call the grudens made up, but I am sure grudens made it ridiculous just to see Cams reaction. Clearly Cam had a dynamic personally and seemed to be a good person. And oh by the way 50 touchdown the year before. I mean come on. Were those fake touchdowns to?
by Panthster on Oct 28, 2011 10:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Just like we've all been saying for the last 7 Weeks
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Set the hook, I also took the bait.
I am SO glad that the front office went with a franchise QB player.
I was SERIOUSLY swayed by the Gruden camp. However, editing is a powerful weapon, because it can portray anything you say into any light they wish…..
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by CaptainPanther on Oct 28, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I was concerned also even though I was a Cam fan
Auburn is my favorite college team (my second favorit is whoever is playing Bama) so I was a huge Cam fan, but I was worried about the transition. He isn’t the first run-n-throw QB from Auburn we have had here (oddly enough, Damien Craig has a jersey in Canton for an NFLE performance). I have often wonderedd what might have happened if Damien hadn’t been injured when he had a chance to start. It wasn’t just Gruden but lost of opinions. Mel Kiper rated him very high but warned it was a risky pick but had too much upside to ignore. I was more tired of seeing risky picks not pan out than anything else.
I am glad that someone with a little more courage than me made that selection. He was awesome at Auburn but has improved in the pros. I did not expect that so soon if at all.
by CarvedTones on Oct 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
To me, if you fell for the Gruden thing, you are either an idiot or you don't understand that part of football.
I don’t care what you call a play. Actually, calling a play “36” is smarter than calling it “X jet Y Laser Z smoke 42 Donkey on two.” It allows you to play faster by shortening the play name. Where people failed in their evaluation, was the part where regardless of what you call a play, the QB still has to know what his receivers are going, what his back is doing, and what the protection is.
The name of a play is irrelevant. Knowing what to do with a play, and being able to execute it are what matters. I was shocked at how many “football analysts” failed to understand that. Ridiculous.
Twaa...
i talked about this prior to the draft yet no one really understood what i meant... i will repeat
I don’t care if your Tom Brady or Payton Manning or Dree Breez or Joe Montana or Dan Marino…. IF someone tells you a NFL play that your not familiar with then you will have NO CLUE what they are talking about.
NO NFL playbook is standardized… i could be a NFL offensive cord..and if my playbook had a play that read “inverse takers Dog 58xt repeat singles Y weak 482 choice”..NOBODY will have a CLUE what i am talking about if you have NOT read my playbook….not Marino .not Elway…not the Manning family…NO ONE…. so how the heck is a 22 year old kid suppose to know what Gruden is talking about when he says “flip right, double-X, Jet, 36 counter, naked waggle, X-7, X-quarter”… even Keyshawn Johnson called Gruden out on ESPN because Keyshawn knew that play from his days in Tampa and asked him why he called a play with 4 hot reads when he never in his career head more than 3 ……
Only people that aren’t close to football can fall for how he threw Newton under the bus on that play call.
I myself took something totally different that confirmed that he would do well during that piece. Gruden asked him to break down one of his plays from Auburn. It was a off balanced line play action pass where Newton faked the run and then looked up at the safety.. he then broke down his read saying that he know that since the Safety had responsiblity for the TE..and if the safety was looking at him he know that he could deliever the pass… he explained how the play actions intent was to get the linebackers to take a “dead step” or step toward the Line. And how that was all that was needed to get one on one with the safety. Now Newton explained it and said “if this guy is looking at me when he is suppose to be looking at the TE… I GOT HIM” …. i said to myself this guy has a mature understanding of the passing game… and just that little piece right there let me know that he would be doing that samething in the NFL.. and i BET him and Steve Smith have that conversation … “hey man if he leans inside go ahead and take it on him we got him”…i can just hear that conversation playing out….
Playing quarterback isn’t rocket science…. it doesn’t require a slide ruler and a calculator. It is a instinctive position… you have to have the feel for the passing game (all things i was talking about pre draft)….
This isn’t Cam Newton that all of a sudden figure out how to play quarterback… or Chud took him in a room and made him read up on how to play QB. This is Cam Newton in a NFL offence… he would be good in most any offence….. his accuracy was already good (with some moments of WTH was that?)…. he has improved some.. but the biggest thing that has happen is that he was given a chance.. and the coaches trust him and don’t call conservative John Fox ball play calling…. this isnt a new Cam Newton.. this is just who he is…… he just a regular guy with the instincts for the position. …..and that trumps how many plays you can commit to memory
by Shankdiddy on Oct 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 10 recs
Rec'd, but I disagree with one thing
his accuracy was already good (with some moments of WTH was that?)
Cam was not accurate in college. That was one of my biggest knocks on him. Yes, he had a high completion percentage, but his receivers were usually ridiculously open. He had trouble hitting receivers in stride, and often the WR had to stop or come back to make the catch.
The improvements he has made in his mechanics have done wonders for his accuracy. That pass he had to Smitty in double coverage on Sunday was one of the most perfectly thrown balls I have ever seen in my life.
by ppfcpp on Oct 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
i agree to disagree
Cam was not accurate in college. That was one of my biggest knocks on him. Yes, he had a high completion percentage, but his receivers were usually ridiculously open. He had trouble hitting receivers in stride, and often the WR had to stop or come back to make the catch.
The improvements he has made in his mechanics have done wonders for his accuracy. That pass he had to Smitty in double coverage on Sunday was one of the most perfectly thrown balls I have ever seen in my life
And just like the quote you took from me where i acknowledge that he has some “WTH throws” he did that… But he also threw some very unique throws that lead me to believe he would be very accurate and get better over time….
I looked at it like this… this guy got to Auburn in the Winter of 2010… won the Heisman later that year. Has that ever been done before at the quarterback position. What i am refering to is chemistry and continuity. A quarterback has to have the skill to put the football in a spot… BUT THAT isn’t the only aspect of accuracy. You also have to develop confidence and a rythem AND chemisty and continuity with your recievers…. The NCAA has 29 days to practice prior too the first game (about a month)… So he shows up not having the playing time at the Division 1 level and didn’t even know if he would play …. and goes from that extreme to winning the heisman…..
The point is some of his accuracy issues was because any quarterbacks first year in a system in college normally isn’t his best… your playbook generally doesn’t expand till year 2 in any system… Coaches generally don’t open up the offence till later on in the year and or the 2nd year of that quarterback learning and developing…. and you saw that learning curve on display… as the year went on he threw more… he scrambed very little overall (43 times for the year) but scambled even less in the later part of the season (15 times in 6 games)…. that speaks to my point…
It wasn’t a matter of him not being able to put a ball in a spot.. it was him developing in the offence …. a offence that was simple in the passing game (not alot of changing plays and hotts)..
On film he displayed good accuracy and the every now and then (what the hell was that throw about) which to me just screamed “talented but young”…NOT >> accuracy problems…. he made UNIQUE throws that NO one in the country was making…..not a accuracy issue… a consistancy issue…. issues you get from a young play in their first year in a system (which i discussed before >> what would Cam Look like playing in a system with the same skill positions guys for 2nd and 3rd year)… that is how you obtain true thread the needle accuracy is by playing with your skill position guys for a while and having alot of reps….. Newton wasn’t even named the starter till right before the season started at Auburn… and anyone who has EVER played quarterback will tell you that these factors make a big difference…..familiarity with skill positions….experience….knowing the offence inside and out
by Shankdiddy on Oct 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I can go back and find alot of recievers wide open in a college football game
Key is can you hit them and he did….
I find that people always say “he had wideopen recievers” but no one wants to acknowledge that he also made alot of Unique throws … alot of throws that NO one in college was making… that Georgia game he did it often. To be honest a quarterbacks first year in a system really should not even be that good…. and the same “misses” that i saw from Newton you see from MOST quarterbacks
Does Newton have the type of accuracy that looks like a 30 yard hand off?… does he put the ball in places that look unreal? ….at times…but consistantly no. But he shows trends that lead me to believe he can be very consistant….
I hate too say it like this but this conversation i had pre draft and i have been spot on so far… i feel like i do have a very good feel for his evaluation…. pretty spot on….
The scary thing for none Panther Fans i can see other teams thinking like you… I can see people thinking “well after looking at film we will figure him out and contain him”… but the truth is… He is so scheme diverse and instinctive as a quarterback the ONLY thing you can do is draft players that can run and hope they can catch him… apply pressure and hope for mistakes… change up your defence and try to make him think… basiclly the same thing everyone will try to do this season. And really that works on certain qbs that aren’t as scheme diverse…. but with Newton you have someone that is very Unique in that he is dynamic throwing and running…… and he didn’t just figure out how to pass 8 weeks ago. This is what he is when he is comfortable with the system and his team and coaches show confidence in him to do just that…….
Again his issue will always be consistancy…. not his ability….
Shankdiddy, I recall all the early support you put up on this blog for Cam.
You were indeed spot on with your analysis of his talents, and his potential. And I recall that there were several others who basically told you to get lost, and go back to supporting your Lions.
It must be a good time, this year, to be Shankdiddy! Stay with it, man – you’re a very valuable contributor here.
by bigdavis on Oct 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
Right on!
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by Tarheel Soldier on Oct 28, 2011 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Well said sir.
And a tip o’ the hat to Skankdiddy!
I kinda like power running football though. It’s iike a bloody violent ballet…
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by The Duke Dude on Oct 28, 2011 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Consistency IS accuracy. Any QB in the NFL can throw a football through a tire from 30 yards if you give them a couple tries. How many can do it 5 times in a row? Cam showed flashes, sure, but accurate isn’t a great word for his throwing. He’s already made big strides though and what you are talking about with more reps that consistency will come, I agree with you there.
i guess maybe i am not speaking well to this point
All i am saying is i think can be more consistant… and the type of throws he did make lead me to believe he had the skills to do so….and the throws that made you scratch your head lead me to believe he was just raw… and needed more experience…NOT that he didn’t have the ability to do so.
He wasn't wild but I think his accuracy was padded by "forward options"
He had a lot of rushing yardage in college; he was the designed RB on a big chunk of their plays. A lot of the pass plays they ran were almost more like option plays where he trailed the other back slightly and had to make the “toss” before he got to the LOS. Those count as completions. And again, I am not saying he was a bad passer who fooled anyone with padded numbers, just that what I saw (and being an AU fan, I saw a lot) didn’t make me feel he would be a strong passer in the NFL, especially not this soon. A risk that appears to be paying off was still a risk.
Totally inaccurate
Auburn passed very, very little to its running backs last year. And when they did, they were mostly on wheel routes out of the backfield. And as to the option pitch, Auburn ran very little of that as well. I’m an Auburn season ticket holder and went to every game and I don’t remember much at all, if any, of the kind of plays you want to refer to as common in the Auburn offense in 2010.
Cam Newton threw very little dink and dunk passes
when someone says things like “forward Option” padding his stats this to me speaks to something others are talking about. Because the knowledgeable fan knows this isn’t accurate …. so why do people insist that Newton just could not pass the football or can’t.?… is it because some don’t want to accept it?..and why.. hmm? (shrug)
Coming form a AU fan this is very interesting…. i did admit he did have some “what the hell are you doing son” type throws…. but i really took that as him being raw…not a reflection on his ability to throw accurate….. just him being Young…. first year as a starter in Division 1 in the SEC can do that too you…. but if you pay attention to how the year progressed you saw real progression…. progression that has continued
Pretty sure if you check the back of Cam's head you will find one of these.
Weinke had it installed.
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by Bruce Guild on Oct 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Guess that means Cam knows kung fu.
Bet he could kick Neo’s butt, too.
Keep it dude
I like your posts. What do you think of RG3. I think he is the next vick but with better passing am I on point with this.
With RG3 i see a quarterback with alot of skills....yet
For the very same reason i liked Cam …i don’t like RG3…atleast not yet.
RG3 seems to want to get out of the pocket fast. And in that offence at Baylor i don’t really see him standing tall in the pocket… everything is so quick. I am NOT saying he can’t do it… but from what i have seen when he does get pressured that ball is coming down and he is out of there…and also alot of the passes he throws are either quick 3 step drops .. roll outs… fades… or deep balls…. i really can’t get a good read on how he responds to pressure…. and to me that is the defining reason why a quarterback will workout or Bust…… i don’t see him display the ability to feel the rush instead of look at it….i don’t see him stand tall and calm in the pocket…. just for me that really really troubles me the most… leads me to believe he may not be what some want him to be.
Totally Agree
My only early evaluation of Cam was the YouTube highlights video and his season stats. The thing that impressed me the most was the accuracy of the passes he made on the spur of the moment situations when his body and footwork were in awkward positions like the 50 yard jump pass to Steve Smith (I think it was in the GB game). Most QB’s accuracy goes way down in those situations, even the great Brady, but Cam’s accuracy seems to get better. Once I saw that, I was on the Cam bandwagon….
I agree Erl but what Newton should have done was explain that on the Gruden interview.
When Gruden said name a play you ran at Auburn, Newton should have said, 36, then started describing the routes and stuff of that play. He should have explained it like you just did, to show he knew the plays and that they just had a simplified name for the plays.
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Newton hands down deserves League MVP.. He already has 15 TDs to 9 interceptions, 2100 passing yds, 266 rushing yds, 22 rushing first down conversions, 60% completion rate. 8.30 yds per average in passing.
Then the intangibles. His incredible leadership skills. His ability to make other teammates around him into pro bowlers, without Cam the Panthers would be nothing right now. We would have 0 wins and Steve Smith wouldnt be on his way to a pro bowl, Greg Olsen would be non existent.
Cam by far deserves League MVP.
If he improves by the end of the season and has a ton more TDs then interceptions, more rushing TDs and more wins. I think Csm should atleast either win pro bowl or league MVP. Cam is literally carrying the Panthers offense all on his shoulders right now.
by PantherTrain on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah... but that is like saying
Cam should be MVP.
Well, really he should be MVP, if he does a lot more of the things that MVPs do better than he is right now by the time voting starts.
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Yes, but we're talking MVP here, not necessarily Best Player.
In retrospect, who could say that Peyton Manning wasn’t the MVP in the league, to his team, last year?
My opinion... MVP is Matt Forte.
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Too early to crown...
the bears wins are against teams that are shabby Min, Car, … Forte is good but not MVP- yet.
No doubt Rogers if he keeps it up.
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A little to much Homer in this post
But, if he doesn’t win ROTY, then a true crime has been committed.
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by Tater596 on Oct 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hes got that in the bag. It will be a crime if he doesnt atleast get the pro bowl
by PantherTrain on Oct 28, 2011 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I just hope he doesnt grt the dreaded Madden cover. a QB like him with all the rushing he does anfpd the moves he makes is just asking for the Madden curse if he gets the cover. Im really concerned because i think its a given he will be in the running and im a firm believer in the Madden curse
by PantherTrain on Oct 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be in the running, but it's ultimately a fan vote.
I think there is still enough Cam hate out there that he won’t get it, and at the pace Aaron Rodgers and Matt Forte are going, I think one of them will get it.
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Good, this is one case where im glad Cam hate exists. The idea of finally is having a franchise QB good enough for the madden cover is great. But i hope Cam never gets it, that would be begging for a injury with the way he plays
by PantherTrain on Oct 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know about that
The media votes for this. I bet Andy D gets it before cam does
In the past 3 days I have heard at least 10 talking heads say Cam is the ROY hands down.
From the media there is very little Cam hate out there now. It is mostly positive. Even fans of other teams are starting to tone it down.
Go ugly early beat the rush.
I think you need to take a look at the season Aaron Rodgers is having.
7 straight starts with a QB rating of over 110.
Absolutely unreal. It’s his to lose, and right now he’s winning by a LANDSLIDE.
Ok, ill accept that. but still, atleast the pro bowl lol
by PantherTrain on Oct 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if stafford keeps slipping, yes.
otherwise, it’ll require rodgers, brees or stafford being in the superbowl for cam to get a roster space. guess i’m rooting against the 49ers :)
by Lost_terrapin on Oct 28, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Stafforrd?
Cam>>>>Stafford…u give Cam megatron & he would win MVP! No dis 2 Smitty (best Panther ever) but he 5’9 @ most! Megatron 6’5! All Matthew has 2 do is throw it up! I wouldn’t pick him over CAM ever!
by richyNC83 on Oct 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no argument here.
but we’re talking about qbs and no other position in the nfl is tied to Ws and Ls than the guy taking snaps.
sadly 5-2 is greater than 2-5
by Lost_terrapin on Oct 28, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's an interesting thought
Would you rather have 89 in his prime or megatron?
For me, its 89, all the time
Gotta remember...
Cam’s only 22…still wet behind the ears. Think he’s good now? Wait a couple years and hold on!
by CoastalCat on Oct 28, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
In defense of Gruden, I dont think he was trying to throw Cam under the bus. I think Gruden always liked Cam and after that Gruden said he thought he was the best college QB and the other analysts made fun of him. I dont fault Gruden, i always liked him and I think he always liked Cam
I have to agree with this
I really don’t think it was Gruden’s prerogative to throw Cam under the bus or make him look bad. I think he was just being sensationalistic to try and make a point of the transition young college QB’s need to make to grasp an NFL offense. Most TV personalities say unrealistic things to try and make a point and that’s all he was doing. Just being a TV guy. I honestly though Gruden was genuinely impressed with Cam and he had nothing but great things to say about him after that meeting.
oh i don't think he meant to do that either....
however i do think it was a error in him leading that segment…. Cam has fault as well because he could have elaborated on his system and explained himself more…
Heres another intresting tid bit. I dabble in sports cards collecting as a small hobby. On Ebay, Cam’s rookie cards have sky rocketed from a few months ago before the season started. For instance, I bought a Cam rookie auto card, only 50 of that particular card made. I paid $125.00 for it at the stsrt of the season. Right now that same card has bids up to $215.00 with a day left. There is one rookie card of Cam’s thst right now as we speak has actual bids of $3800.00. BTW, still 4 days left on the auction. its 1/1 meaning its THE only card like that ever made on the whole planet. Its a autographed topps refractor card. If you just go to Ebay and type in “Cam Newton auto rookie” you will see tons of his rookie cards going for several hundreds of dollars.
I got my rookie Cam card at the team store for 6$
It’s not autographed but it looks freakin sweet on my dresser right now.
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Oct 28, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Cam will have the impact on the QB position...
that Tiger Woods had on golf. I know that is saying a lot but just imagine in a couple season when he has the playbook memorized and has the experience of playing against the same teams multiple times.
Teams will have to spy Newton but that is not as easy as in the past with QB’s like Vick, McNabb and Cunningham. Use a LB as a spy and he gets out run. Use a safety and he gets run over. We saw Newton use both aspects against the Redskins.
I agree
The NFL will be like the nba over the next few years thanks to newton
Wait.... what?
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In the nba has best athletes on the court. most of the time.
The nfl is not the case especially at the QB position. I am a better athlete than Tom Brady Drew Bress ever will be. I cant say that about Cam
Okay now I get what you mean with your first statement...
But, are you sure you’re a better athlete than Brady and Brees? I mean, i don’t know you… but I find that unlikely. What do you do for a living?
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I dunno, but he better be 6’ 2" 220 minimum. Allen Iverson is a better athlete than them too but he wouldn’t last a week as a QB.
Smitty only 5’9 180….I’m 6’1 206…size really doesn’t matter….I went 2 high school with ppl who r better athletes than Brees….by athlete I mean run, jump, strong, fast…
by richyNC83 on Oct 28, 2011 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but he's comparing himself to QBs
you need size at QB to take the hits. If he said he was a better athlete than Lafell or something then he can be smaller but then he’d need to be a much better athlete.
I think i know where your going with this Chuckd@79.... but...
Brees acturally ran alot in college and was a big time duel threat… after shoulder surgery you have to chill with that…
Cam Newton is young.. but i tell you right now…. Newton won’t stay a dynamic runner his entire career…. and it is very likely that the designed run plays will slowly be phased out…
For him to have a long career that running around stuff will have to be limited…
regardless of how gifted a person is physically… you can’t get it down unless you have the game instinctively… Newton is very very rare…. i imagine more coaches will give kids that look like DE a chance to play qb now… but there just won’t be alot of players Like Newton.. he looks like a 6’0" 200lb guy running around at 6’5" 250….. just not alot of those type of guys running around…..
Instinct is and always will be the greatest asset of a quarterback.
To be fair, We have not seen Cam run over any LB's or S's for that matter.
One thing I’ve been impressed with is how smart Cam has been in regards to taking hits while on the run. One thing that I am worried about is that Tampa, New Orleans, and Atlanta are going to spend all offseason figuring out ways to slow down Cam. I think that Rivera and co. know this, and that is why we have been developing Cam as a Pocket Passer, along the lines of a Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, or John Elway.
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Oct 28, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The only disagreement I have with the article
And I only address it because its a pet peeve of mine and gets under my skin, is that Auburn’s offense is not a “simple” offense. It runs out of the shotgun, yes, but it still uses multiple formations, multiple wide-receivers and patterns, tight ends, H-backs, receivers in motion, running backs in motion, tight ends in motion, zone-blocking, man-blocking, pulling guards, pulling tackles, hell even a pulling center at times.
The PLAY-CALLING system is “simple”, yes… by design. When you run the hurry-up-no-huddle (HUNH) having a complicated method to call the plays is a hindrance to that philosophy.
If by “simple offense” they mean that it is simpler than an NFL offense then, of course, I agree.
If by “simple offense” they mean that the plays are called using a simplified play-calling system then, yes, I agree.
If by “simple offense” they mean that the Auburn offense uses very few formations and play-calls by design, then I couldn’t disagree more.
I think it's safe to say that if Weinke wants a job coaching on an NFL team with the job he did with Newton he can have it.
Go ugly early beat the rush.
weinke
the critics were wrong about chris weinke too!! they thought he’d be good!!
Cam has also helped Weinke!
Newton’s success has enabled IMG Academies to sell their stock a heck of a lot higher than before. Draft prospects WILL be reserving spaces for the spring classes, if not over the summer.
http://www.imgacademies.com/madden-football-academy/
Ok, feeling childishes and I want to act like a 8 year old...
About Drafting Cam #1 … I told you so, I told you so, I told you so! Whew… been watiing to get that one off my chect sicne about last march. There were lots that wanted Green or the CB can’t remeber his name right now or one of the two DT’s. My main argument was Cam had “it”, hard to put your finger on but just that something special. Thank god he proved all the Cam backers @ #1 right. Now next draft maybe we draft a good DT or stud CB. (had to cahng screen name Yahoo account was deleted old user name was Jp_here)
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