The time has come to trade Deangelo Williams next season. (It hurts, i know.)
First let me start out by saying it pains me to write this. Deangelo Williams is such a good guy, great head and heart and a hard worker and incase your reading this D Will (I know players have been know to read these things sometimes.) please dont take this personally whatsoever.
My fellow Panther fans, I think come next season the time has come we trade Deangelo Williams. First I will get the hardest part out of the way and frankly thats his sub par performance this year so far. Now maybe (and hopefully) D Will be prove me wrong as the season goes on and finally starts hitting his stride. But nearly every handoff I see him take, every screen I see him receive, he just doesnt seem to move the chains and make big plays. Yes he did have that nice screen for a TD against the Saints but other than that, he has showed nothing this year.
Its almost painful seeing him out on the field when he gets a handoff. He doesn't appear to have the vision to make good breaks, hes horrible at cutting back and he seems to fall down way WAY too early.
Now that the hard part is out of the way and that is criticizing his play. Lets go on to the other reasons he should be traded.
We honestly just have way more needs. In this new pass heavy attacking offense, our run game seems to be on the back burner and only used when absolutly needed. I really dont see a need of having two premiere backs in this kind of offense and I think he could really contribute on another team thats not so pass happy. Those other needs we could fill with trading him are ofcourse DT, D Will still has a solid 4-5 years left in the tank and I think we could get a very solid, run stopping DT in return.
Another reason we should trade him is; Jonathan Stewart. I know D Will is the 42 million dollar man, but there is a huge difference when J Stew is on the field. He attacks, he cut backs, has great vision, finds holes and he pounds that rock with extreme aggression until he gets a 1st down, a touchdown or any down thats going to move the chains. Hes younger and easily has 10 years left on the tank. If you didn't know any better, you could easily mistake J Stew for getting that fat contract by how extremely well he looks on the field everytime he has the ball. He can run it well on handoffs and when he receives passes he can still go for big yds. Now as far as what we could get for D Will, how we would have to re work his contract, and what team would be willing to take him? I dont know, im not real savvy when it comes to breaking down contract dollars and sense and that sort of thing. But the time is next season, and we should definitley look at making a trade to address our lackluster defense.
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by scatterbrain on Oct 20, 2011 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 9 recs
I have never laughed so hard at a gif.
I can’t quite explain it, but I find this extremely hilarious.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
If we are going to run a SD pass-happy offense, then we have no need for 2 extroardinary RBs.
Actually, only one is really necessary for this scheme, being that we are going to give RBs about 12-15 carries a game max, and put the game on the QBs shoulders. If this is the system that RR wants to run, then yes we should trade DeAngello. This seems to be the case, and ultimately it is doing us no good to us having that much money and talent ride the bench. So, yes I hear you Panthertrain, it is time for us to move DW and get some return on him.
I love DW as much as anyone else, however it ultimately would be best for us if we could get something for him IMO.
Charles Johnson is STILL listed as a wide receiver!
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/18995/charles-johnson
Yeah, I KNOW I’ve posted this before. SBNation STILL hasn’t fixed it!
by criolle johnny on Oct 20, 2011 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
its actually a different player that was separately on the Panthers
but they used the current charles johnson pic. charles johnson the DE has his own page
THAT CJ is listed NOW
Go to
http://www.catscratchreader.com/
click ROSTER
http://www.catscratchreader.com/roster
scroll down to “Charles Johnson” under “Defense”
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/18995/charles-johnson
You get the WIDE RECEIVER who “used to was” on the roster, NOT the current defensive end!
by criolle johnny on Oct 21, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
haha, i like it how after his game against the saints every oe was like
“DWILL IS BACK”, and then 1 week later, everyone is like “TRADE DWILL”…
"The way y'all are lollygaggin around here with them picks and them shovels, you'd think it was 120 degrees...can't be more than 114."
by SouthernPanther on Oct 20, 2011 10:27 PM EDT reply actions
To be fair, not everyone is saying that, just the lunatic fringe.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 20, 2011 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Trading D-Will At His Age & Big Contract, What Do You Think You Could Get, A 6th Or 7th Round Pick?
You think that J-Stew, in his 4th season, has 10 more years left, without D-Will to help him carry the load? No RB plays that long any more.
That ship on D-Will sailed when they signed him to a new contract, he’s almost untradeable now.
As he should be
I’m very against signing guys to long term contracts and then trading them. If we let him walk, I would have been fine with it. But now that we wanted him to come back, I think it’s a dick move to trade him.
Also, let’s be clear: Having both D-Will and BeefStew extends both of their careers. By holding onto both of them, we have the chance to have two top 15 talent RBs each last longer than the average career for their position. As long as they are friends and enjoy playing together, I see absolutely no reason to let either one go.
Agreed
The longer we have both of them the longer they will both be elite. Also it’s awfully nice to know if one of them goes down with an injury, which has happened the last two years.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
by Kris Mynatt on Oct 20, 2011 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
News flash for you guys...WE AREN'T A RUNNING TEAM ANYMORE.
Why do we need two elite and expensive backs? They don’t get that many carries a game, 12-15 MAX! What we need is 2 elite and expensive WRs. That fits our scheme!
by jkp1516 on Oct 20, 2011 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It doesn't matter...
If you have one, that one will have a considerably shorter career. I’m not saying they get run down in each game. Also it’s fine to be able to pass but you HAVE to be able to run the ball if you want to win in December and January. Also like has been stated you’re not going to trade DWill with that monster contract we just gave him.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
If you are giving two RBs under 10 carries a game...
Longevity isn’t really an issue. If you are giving them both 15-25 per game, thats another issue.
Agree with jkp. As much as I love DWill, I wasn’t a big fan of giving him a ‘phat’ check to stay: five-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $21 million guaranteed, including a $16 million signing bonus and $5 million of Williams’ second-year base salary. The contract reads to me as though we were committed to him for 2 years given that next year’s base is also guaranteed. At the time I remember thinking that JStew, Goodson, and Sutton could handle the load, especially after witnessing Goodson pick up 100 yard games in 2010 after JStew and DWill were out. There were better places to invest this $, and we probably could have picked up a 3rd to 5th round compensatory pick by letting him go. That $ could have helped us land a big name WR or DT, both of which were needed prior to training camp…. which is obviously still the case.
by Jon Zimmerman on Oct 30, 2011 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
you could get more
The Lions were desparate for a RB and tried to get Ronnie Brown. I think we could get 10 more years out of Stew if he gets about 15 touches a game or so, and Goodson gets 5-10. I just don’t see how D-Will’s worth the money with so few touches a game, and I don’t think he is doing anything in 12 touches that Goodson can’t do. I think if D-Will got 20 touches a game, he’d be one of the best in the league, but we don’t use him right. Part of his lack of production is the offensive scheme. Tomlinson’s production dropped immediately when Chud got to SD. D-Will is seeing the same thing.
by usana_gaines on Oct 21, 2011 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
part of the reason he isnt being used is that Chud didn’t know how to use him. same for our other RB. Chud said a few weeks ago that he didn’t know a whole lot about these guys and that he did not know how to use them. he said that he has been learning about their abilities and figuring our how to utilize their talents. so 1st- lets let the season finish and see what happens, 2nd- know one will want him with his huge contract, 3rd- we’re not the big trade type, 4th- he’s not old, but he isnt young either. that being said we would be lucky to get a 3rd round pick for him, and thats IF we could trade him. Talent wise i think he is worth a 1st round pick but thats just not gonna happen. We’re better with him than without him
Honestly
I think thats complete BS. If Chud REALLY wanted to get the boys, he should of looked at past games, should of asked john fox or jeff davidson, HELL he could of even asked THEM or Ryan Kalil. Sounds like he was just ignorant to the fact. But who knows.
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Well for starters he could ask Fox or Davidson, but they'd just tell him to F off.
Second, would you really want advice on how to best utilize dynamic offensive players from Foxy and Jeffy-D-Glazed? I wouldn’t.
Sometimes you truly don’t know what you have until you can experiment with it.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither Stew or D-Will have played Chuds system.
Therefore there is no way to know how best to utilize them within that system. For example before this year did you know that Stew was such a good pass blocker and receiving back?
i did want to trade him but he's untouchable now with that extension
and the logic you use to trade him is the same logic other teams use in saying “we’ll only give you a 7th rounder for him”
by vitzeng on Oct 20, 2011 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think it would be better for the team to keep both of them
They each have a unique skill set that can help the offense in different ways. DeAngelo is the shifty back that has the potential to break a big run at any moment. Stewart is the bruising back and is better on passing downs. Both are having success this year (DWill 5.2 YPC and Stew 4.8 YPC). And as others have said, having two premiere backs extends the careers of both of them.
Extends their careers?
With the touches the RBs get right now, it wouldn’t matter. They are getting so few carries that having 2 premier RBs isn’t going to really make a difference in the longevity of their career.
In most cases
A running back is pretty much done at 30. With a tandem even getting the low amount of carries their prime could last 2-3 years longer.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
News flash!
They already have a low amount of carries! Thanks to our new system, RBs are much less utilized, so the entire theory of extending RBs isn’t applicable anymore.
You're forgetting something that's fairly important. Just because whomever is in doesn't carry the rock ...
it doesn’t mean they’re just standing there yelling “Go Team.” This isn’t directed at you necessarily, jkp. They are playing every down, sometimes staring down a 290 lb defensive end, and trying to stop it. Nuff said.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Rivera and Chud seem to find having both of them important.
They’re used in different ways that add all new dimensions to our offense. You can’t keep looking at our running backs as “guys that carry the ball,” because in this offense, they do much more. They also act as receivers out of the backfield. Just like you said we need to get with the program because “WE AREN’T A RUNNING TEAM ANYMORE,” I suggest you stop looking at running backs the same way John Fox did, as purely guys to carry a football.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm loving watching this screen game evolve. The screen pass if run perfectly is great. I mean seriously,
it’s not like a Brooklyn Decker photoshoot, but the screen is powerful nonetheless. Called and executed perfectly against a blitzing team is like an “Oh shit” moment. And what’s the risk? Do you really think some big-assed defensive lineman is going to reach up and tip the ball to himself? That rarely happens … and we just got our turn out of the way.
Anyway, we have weapons we’re not using enough, so Chud, “Start using your toy Double Trouble like it should be used.” I remember the great games of Brian Westbrook, so let’s do more of that.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
He'd have to be willing to renegotiate a new extension for less $
cause no team is going to pick up that check. I’m happy to have him on the team cause he’s a great role model for the young guys, but we should have offered him less $ or let him walk.
Well
Given how much money we just gave him, he is ours to keep. The best thing to do would be to trade Stewart before we just let him walk after next season. It sucks to say that but we only need one solid back in this system and we can’t afford it anyway.
by passthedamnchipsdavidson on Oct 21, 2011 1:31 AM EDT reply actions
Also...
If I remember correctly this is the same system that LT DOMINATED in for quite some time. I don’t think we have a full grasp on what this system will turn out to be. Systems evolve over time to the talent on the team. Chud will find a way to use them, it’s just going to take some time.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
it's not the same system
LT dominated inMarty Schottenheimer’s system. Norv Turner came over with Chud, and LT quit running behind a FB. His production decreased every year.
by usana_gaines on Oct 21, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair...
Lorenzo Neal retired as well.
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
Find a way to use them? HAH!
We already know how to use them! You stuff them up the gut repeatedly. We’ve been doing it for the last decade!
I love your braggadocious style, man.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
It's his best feature.
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
You're welcome
The truth will set you free, but not until it is finished with you. ~David Foster Wallace
I may not always be right, but even a blind nut finds a squirrel every once in a while.
They need both of them in these offense to do what they need to do
If you watched the atlanta game, on a 3rd down play there was Dwill and Jstew on the field at the same time. with 3 WR also on the field. This is a mismatch for the defense. You don’t know if it’s a run, pass or screen as JStew picks up the blitz well and catch the ball out of the backfield, Dwill is hard to bring down in the open field, and the could run a draw play to Stew, which they did. It just opens up the field. They are not going to trade Dwill, i am more concerned on if they would be able to keep JStew after his contract expires.
by panthertillidrop on Oct 21, 2011 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
Right. Exactly. It's not that there not useful, it's that they're under-utilized. Imagine what happens when we start running
more screens and picks and shit for the RBs. Deangelo and Stewie are fantastic in space; as in, get ready for the Stewie Stiffy…er, Stiff-Arm is probably better; or, Deangelo with a juke/spin/shove and see ya later. We have a weapon that we’re not firing enough. Boom, dammit.
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
We really shouldn't have re-signed him
But they needed a good run game to help Cam transition and they didn’t trust Stewarts durability. I was kinda mad when they re-signed him… I really wanted Stew to get a new deal and keep Sutton.
I would be willing to bet this offense will find more balance next season.
Call it a hunch, but I think part of the reason they’re passing so much is to throw Cam to the wolves and take this year to teach his as much as they possibly can.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 10:17 AM EDT reply actions
I've kinda been thinking the same thing
We’ve heard it a lot: this is a ‘growing’ year. Let Cam get his reps this year, then make a run next year when everybody’s healthy and had a whole offseason to learn the system.
Absolutely.
I’m willing to sit patiently considering we could be setting ourselves up for long term success.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn. I thought the same thing. Looks like we got us.... a Convoy. Seriously, I have considered whether they're giving Cam
the reps, under enemy fire. And he will learn a lot, cause Cam gets it. Hates losing, but gets it!
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Probably the best analysis of Cam I've heard thanks to it's simplicity.
He just gets it.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 22, 2011 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then……. why the fuck is Rivera punting on the season from Week 1? Cam is already good enough to win games. The RBs are more than good enough to win games. With a balanced offense NOW, we should be winning games. I don’t believe it, but if it’s true then I’m not sure why the players would have faith in the coach.
It's not like they're not trying to win
But they’re going about it in a way that is best for the team in the long run. Sometimes you have to sacrifice the short term to be better in the long term. That’s why we’ve seen this team pass up on veteran stop gap players for young players with potential (like passing on Pat Williams in favor of young DTs for example).
Rivera has admitted that the reason for the lack of running is....
a conscious decision by the coaching staff to force Cam to mature as a passer. The article is over at the Observer website (I can hear you all sigh with contempt now, since the Observer is not our favorite source of articles), but the point is that Rivera has said that:
“We’ve got to establish a quarterback,” coach Ron Rivera said. “You come out and run, run, run early, you’re taking away the opportunity for (Newton) to develop. Again, there is a big picture.” (‘Double Trouble not troubled by lighter rushing workload’).
I think that, (I am getting tired of and hate this phrase) Next Year, will be much different and we will see our offense as more of a 60/40 to 70/30 distribution of pass/rush.
jdrahos
Well this adds support to my thoery.
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
*Theory
I don't always fail, but when I do...
I do it awesomely.
by BusyBeingAwesome on Oct 21, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
You can skip the CO altogether.
The quote came from this interview on the Panthers site. The question starts at the 3:25 mark.
Newton for '11 ROY!
Walker for '11 ROY!
Biyombo for '11 DPOY!
I don't know about you guys, but I can wait a year to watch JR hoist the Lombardi. I can even wait 2, maybe even 3
So much to be done, and so few people willing to do it for me.
Kind of like what TB did with Josh Freeman
I believe he led the league in INTs his Rookie season than had that monster season last year. Hopefully it works out and they give Cam a running game next year although I am enjoying this pass happy offense
CAM....CAAAAAAAAM
by CamNewtonSBMVP on Oct 29, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm gonna have to go with no even if we could trade him
I know everyone is having knee jerk reactions and some cases withdrawals from foxy gamestyle. But this system we are now in is no where close to Foxy football. You will never see stew and D-will get 20+ carries each a game. They will both get around 10. Then they will get the screens which Chud considers part of the running game. And they will be utilized in the passing game and simply to create mismatches by putting both on the field with Cam at the same time
that's the issue
If we’re gonna give D-Will 10-12 touches a game, should he get paid so much? We shouldn’t have paid him so much if we’re not gonna use him. We know how talented he is, and that he can dominate games, but if we don’t ask him to do it, then why pay him to do it. It would’ve been smarter to use that money on a DT like Cofield or Mebane, and a CB or RG. We could have Stew, Goodson, Cofield, and Carlos Rogers. Our defense would be better, and Goodson would get 8 carries a game. D-Will is much better than Goodson, but if we choose not to give him the ball, then it doesn’t matter.
by usana_gaines on Oct 21, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that would be really smart.
From a financial standpoint, specifically.
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
Thanks
"Between you, me and the wall here, I had a bit of a doozy myself last night. Get this: A corn-fed harvest mouse, a hooker, a nun, a Flemish peasant woman, whips, chains, whistles yo-yo's, a circus midget. My grandmother riding by on a bicycle giving me the finger, and a duck! Now, I don't know 'bout you...Are you crying?"
Once again, I feel that overpowering compulsion...
…specifically, to make a machine that will allow me to seriously harm people (killing them might be a tetch overboard) through the internet.
Any idea who the first victim will be?
After bashing him,
you failed to say who would want him and why and what they would give up, on top of his now-large contract. I think he’s here for a couple more years.
Also, running backs rarely have 10 years in them when drafted so I hope that bit about BeefStew was intentional hyperbole.
i'll say the obvious..
but reason for keeping double trouble this year was to get pressure off of cam in his rookie year. i can bet that no one in the organization expected cam to be this good this early. i cant say who should stay or who should go, but as value goes, stew is younger and hasnt been signed to an extention yet. we cant afford to keep two elite backs and whoever goes, we do need to work on the more glaring needs in this team.
Cat Scratch Reader's not-so-creepy stalker
a.k.a. DeAngelo Williams in the stalking business- agile and elusive
I think the point of D-Will's massive contract was missed
JR didn’t just pay D-Will for his future performance that he hopes to gain by resigning him. He could have signed him for MUCH less. He REWARDED Deangelo Williams for his past performance and to show the team and fanbase that if you play here and play at a high level, you will get rewarded, not traded. I think this part of the equation is often overlooked.
Even if he was only given an average contract, I’d still like to see D-Will stay with the Panthers until he retires. He is a Carolina Panther. He’s been one since he was drafted and I hope he decides to hang around until he decides he’s had enough.
Iranian Air Defense Site: 'Unknown aircraft you are in Iranian airspace. Identify yourself.'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States aircraft. I am in Iraqi airspace.'
Air Defense Site: 'You are in Iranian airspace. If you do not depart our airspace we will launch interceptor aircraft!'
Aircraft: 'This is a United States Marine Corps FA-18 fighter. Send 'em up, I'll wait!'
Air Defense Site: (... total silence)
by Tarheel Soldier on Oct 24, 2011 2:54 PM EDT reply actions
Does anyone know if Deangelo's contract is more front heavy or back heavy?
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Oct 25, 2011 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
This may be an unpopular thought...
But I think JStew will have the higher trade value at the end of the year and could be the one more likely to be traded. If you think about it, If this is all we intend to run, why not trade him for the 1st rd pick he’s worth. Let DWill finish his deal out and draft an eventual replacement. Mean while you use the extra 1st rd pick to fill a hole on either of the lines or even at linebacker. I personally love Stewart and was of the opinion we should have let Williams go and use the money elsewhere but that’s not what happened. With that contract he’s less attractive than Stewart, not to mention the fact that Stew is so much younger.
"Beer, both the cause of and solution to all of life's little problems." - Homer Simpson
Get out of here NOW!
No, I think you are right. I love Stew, but he is more valuable than Deangelo at the moment. I’m not sure we could get a first for him given the value of RB’s these days though, maybe a 2nd-3rd. Then again, I think we should keep them both for a little bit longer.
"If I know that you like Pancakes on Tuesdays, I might as well bring you the syrup" -Cam Newton
by Son of a Newton on Oct 25, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is quite valuable then we should keep him for ourselves.
And I’ve not seen a better pass blocker from the tailback position in a long time.
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