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Is there hope for the Panthers to Win in 2011?

For the second time in their short history the Panthers have gone from mediocre to truly awful in the space of one season.  A 2-14 record doesn't leave a lot to be excited about, particularly when your team is setting records for futility.

So naturally, there's not a lot to get excited about in Carolina.  Sure, we're going to get a shiny new coach.  But Cam Cameron was once shiny and new in Miami, and so was Mike Mularkey when he took over the Bills.  A new coach is fun to talk about, and once we know who it is you can bet that will happen.

And we're going to be equally excited about our first draft pick.  The top pick any year is expected to be a star, and there's a legitimate shot that the Panthers will get a once in a generation player as well.

But for now, let's take a look at the season past, what we saw, what we learned, and some things that we might want to keep in mind.

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First, rookies are singled out for a reason.  In general, they just don't play well, and they don't play consistently.  When you surround them with veterans, you can minimize their mistakes.

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Which brings us to number two--veterans are important.  You need that leadership in the huddle, no good team wins without it.  There needs to be the extension of the coach on the field who reminds everyone how important the next play is, and why they need to lay it on the line.

And then there's another point.  In 2008, after four consecutive division championships and five consecutive playoff appearances, the Seattle Seahawks crashed, going 4-12 in a season marked by blowout losses and a steady stream of injuries.  Why does that matter to the Panthers?  In January 2008, Seattle announced that it was coach Mike Holmgren's last season.  Teams just don't play well for lame duck coaches.

So this year, the Panthers got rid of their veterans, played tons of rookies, and did it with a lame duck head coach.  Yes, we were all optimistic before the season began, but in retrospect 2-14 shouldn't be a big surprise to anyone.

The question is, how long will it take them to bounce back?  Two seasons after they went 1-15, John Fox had them in the Super Bowl.  Can a repeat be in the works?

Of course it can.  Teams can recover in just one year if the right pieces are put into place.  Consider the 2008 Falcons as a good example.  The question is not if a team can, it's more of a question on whether it has the pieces in place to do so.

That prompts the next logical question--Do the Panthers have some key pieces in place already? It's not as bad as 2-12 indicates, and in fact there's a lot of reason for cautious optimism.

On defense, the good news is that there isn't a lot that a new coach will have to do to field a competitive unit.  Really, the only position of need is at Defensive Tackle.  This position has been a sore spot for the past two years, and it will likely get addressed again in 2011. 

Based on his history, don't expect Marty Hurney to go out and make a huge FA splash by trading for someone like Albert Haynesworth.  What's more probable is that he'll look for a lesser known UFA like Brandon Mebane or John McCargo.

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However, this year Richardson might direct Hurney to make a bigger splash than usual, just to create a little buzz.  That could mean we go after Barry Cofield in New York.  Or, if San Francisco doesn't franchise him again, and if the new coach likes the UT/NT approach favored by former Panther DCs Del Rio and Mike Trgovac, there's a chance that we might go after Aubrayo Franklin. But even if we stand pat at DT (God forbid!), our defense showed this year that it can play at a high level, and we're going to get everyone back.

On offense, there are a few more holes.  The Panthers experienced fairly poor play at Quarterback, Receiver, and on the line in 2010.  But there's a lot to feel good about.

At Quarterback, Andrew Luck is the franchise savior of course, and when he gets here we're going to be the envy of the league and all that.  But there's still a chance that he doesn't declare.  Manning didn't in 1997, and look what happened to Locker last year.  It happens.

So what if he doesn't?  Well (and this is where I'm going to lose some of you, maybe a lot of you...), it's not the end of the world if Jimmy Clausen starts again.  If you hate him, then you can always say that it's a sure way to get Luck with the top pick of the 2012 draft.  Or you can consider a few things.

First, he was a rookie.  Rookie QBs are generally awful.  Sure, there's Sam Bradford, running through the mighty NFC West with a game plan tailor-made to reduce his opportunities for mistakes.  But we didn't have a game plan that required a throw in three seconds or less (the Rams did), so that kind of makes this almost an apples to oranges comparison. 

Clausen wasn't the first rookie to be put in a full-on NFL offense, and look really bad (Troy Aikman, anyone?). 

Second, he had no receiver help beyond Smith.  As much as we all love the potential flashed by LaFell and Gettis, they too were rookies, and as such there's a *slight* chance that they weren't always where Clausen expected them to be.  And all the receivers had their fair share of the drops this past season.

Third, he had the absolute wrong kind of coaching.  Consider how the Rams handled Bradford.  Look at Matt Ryan's rookie year.  Look at nearly every successful rookie QB in fact, and you're sure to find a game designed to minimize mistakes and keep their decision making to a minimum.

A knock on Clausen is, in fact, how quickly he makes decisions.  And he was asked to make plenty this past season.  Remember the buzz about him already knowing our offense?  That says a lot about how we adjusted the game plan down for a rookie, doesn't it?

Then there's QB coach Rip Scherer.  This is a guy obsessed with mechanics, who has a way of over complicating things and giving a Quarterback a ton to think about.  His methods may be great for developing a young QB in practice, but it's possible that they leave a little to be desired on game day when you need your signal caller reacting instead of thinking too much.

So you have a rookie QB with no receiver help and a coaching staff that has never been known for bringing rookies along slowly.  What else could you expect?

The good news is that despite his many flaws, Jimmy Clausen is a tremendous gym rat and a passionate student of the game.  He's sure to improve, and even if he's never going to be as good as Luck, he should develop into a capable game manager at the very least.

And if he doesn't, there are more than a few decent players out there to be had.  Kyle Orton will want out of Denver, and Alex Smith will probably try and escape the train wreck in San Francisco.  Neither are great, but the point is that there are options.  And the last thing a new coach will want to do is go into a season without a decent QB.  We may end up with the 2011 version of Rodney Peete, but you can almost bet on better play under center this coming year.

At receiver, we probably don't need any help.  Smitty looked pretty bad this year, and as a speed receiver his best days are clearly behind him.  But he will probably get his wish of playing in the slot while our young studs take over the main roles.

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Both David Gettis and Brandon LaFell exceeded expectations in their rookie years, and the two have a great and complimentary set of skills.  They should build on their 2010 performance, and with better QB play it's reasonable to expect both of them to start looking like legitimate NFL starters. 

That will give the Panthers three legitimate receiving threats, which is more than they've had since their Super Bowl run of 2003.  Coincidence?

Finally, the offensive line needs help.  But help is on the way, just from a health standpoint.

In 2008, Jordan Gross, Travelle Wharton, Ryan Kalil, Keydrick Vincent, and Jeff Otah formed a unit that was just scary good at run blocking.  We saw eight in the box a lot that year, and didn't care.  For the past two years though, that unit has been dinged up and missed time to injury. 

In 2011, Otah should finally be back, and this time he's going to be paired with Geoff Schwartz.  Schwartz started at Right Tackle for most of 2010, and he was ok at it.  But when he moved inside to Guard it was immediately apparent in our running game's improvement that he'd found a home.  Put him next to Otah and watch the road grading begin.

In 2007, the Panthers were killed by injuries to their QB and poor play in general along the offensive line.  A lot was made about Jake Delhomme coming back, but in that off-season the Pathers also replaced LG Mark Wahle with former tackle Travele Wharton and RG Jeremy Bridges with Keydrick Vincent.  The resulting group was responsible for a dominating running game, and the good news is that the core players are still young (Gross is the oldest at 30). 

Give just about any QB in the league a running game like 2008's, and they're bound to look good.

So come back in off the ledge.  This past season was bad, but the talent is good.  Give it direction and a little leadership, and it shouldn't be too long before the Panthers are right back in the thick of things.

It happened with Atlanta in 2008.  It happened in Tampa Bay in 2010.  So be patient, our turn is coming.

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Depends on what happens at QB

And of course with our core players who are on expiring contracts. But if we can get a real franchise QB in the draft, a resign Dwill, C Johnson, keep Smitty, find two quality starters for the D-line, I think we’re in business…..Oh yeah, the O-line has got to stay healthy….that’s a big one.

Let me hold about tree-fiddy?

by ERL on Jan 6, 2011 11:12 AM EST reply actions  

Depth on the O-line should be a primary focus this offseason

We can’t have what happened this year happening again. We need a couple solid guys who can play multiple positions on our depth chart.

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by Tater596 on Jan 6, 2011 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You don’t think Schwartz, MackBern, or Garry Williams can be spot-duty starters?

I’m not saying they did well in 2010, but if called upon to make one or two starts each next season, I think we’d be okay. Now finding a new starting RG is a different story all together. Be nice to find a mammoth college tackle to stick in there next to Otah. Too bad Duke Robinson has acted like a 15 year old since coming to Charlotte.

Let me hold about tree-fiddy?

by ERL on Jan 6, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

On this......
You don’t think Schwartz, MackBern, or Garry Williams can be spot-duty starters?>/blockquote>

I say no. Maybe keep Schwartz but even that is a stretch. I’d prefer to pick up a FA and draft someone promising in the 3rd or 4th round. We get a compensatory 3rd round pick for Peppers.

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by ALAC on Jan 6, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Block Quote FAIL!

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by ALAC on Jan 6, 2011 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

There's plenty to be excited about.

We’ve got several good young players, a defense that would have been dominant with anything resembling an offense and/or defensive tackles, tons of cap space, and the number one overall pick, presumably Andrew Luck, and we’ve got the guys in the front office that I trust will lead us back to where we belong.

I’ve said before that I don’t think we’re in as bad a situation as most teams that end up with the #1 pick are. I say we return to respectability in 2011, with a true return to contention in 2012.

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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 6, 2011 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Are we as bad overall as our 2-14 record indicates? No. Our problems mainly lie on offense due to youth and inexperience, which will only get better next season.

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by Tater596 on Jan 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm exceedingly excited for our future and we will rise again

I picked 2012, because realistically it takes time for any coach to install their system and get things rolling, also there’s a possibility that’s the next season we’ll see!

Great article Jax! Rec’d

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by James Dator on Jan 6, 2011 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

+1

Also, we have to see what personnel changes happen.

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by Tater596 on Jan 6, 2011 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

And by Jaxon I of course mean Cyberjag...

The one downside of clicking on CSR articles from Twitter is I have a bad habit of assuming Jaxon’s written everything.

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by James Dator on Jan 6, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we have a shot in 2011 but will be great by 2012

The way Luck appeared to understand an offense and be able to find the open guy in the Orange Bowl was inspiring to me.

We did see a lot of dropped balls from our receivers this year but in reality a lot of those passes were not thrown in stride… granted they were catchable, but I didn’t see Luck throwing balls where the receiver had to make a play on the ball just to come down with the catch.

Giving Lafell and Gettis the amount of experience they got this year is going to pay huge dividends if we have better OLine play in 2011, a franchise QB and a coach that calls creative offensive plays. If our two young receivers can even just improve in their consistency we are going to have options. Then add Double Trouble to that mix and our offense is going to improve greatly.

On defense, we need DT’s and a CB, but just think of how good our 2010 defense would have been if we had been playing with the lead instead of from behind and on the field constantly.

The keys to 2011 to me:
Sign Luck
Sign two DT’s and a CB.
Resign our vets.
Depth on OLine
A stud TE would be a bonus too, but not as essential as the other pieces.

by MindMachine on Jan 6, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Just an after thought

But we didn’t have Thomas Davis all year either. He was our guy in covering TE’s and mobile QB’s which is where we were burnt many times this past season. Anderson/Beason/Davis with Gamble and say J Joseph at corner playing with a lead? That should scare people.

I sure hope we keep Davis, I’ve been a fan since we brought him in to spy Vick, which he did a tremendous job of.

by MindMachine on Jan 6, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

We need a few replacements, as well as, depth on the O-Line.

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by ALAC on Jan 6, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I mentioned depth on OLine… I was just saying I don’t think we are nearly as far away from a competitive year as our record indicates.

by MindMachine on Jan 6, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

I’ve said it here before, we are the best “bad” team in the NFL.

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by ALAC on Jan 6, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

ok who voted for LA Panthers? you should be shot that is all lol

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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 6, 2011 11:48 AM EST reply actions  

AND

Hang you lifeless body from BoA stadium for all the wold to see. Old ladies will be appauled and mothers will rush their young children past as to not let them view you treasonous body. LOL

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by BlackCatFan on Jan 6, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Must be 49er fans.

by Scrantsj on Jan 6, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

I almost did

Mostly because it made me laugh out loud. The Panthers will win the Super Bowl before LA has an NFL team.

by Neilicus on Jan 6, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I said before that 2012 would be our year

We will be better in 2011 but we will have a new staff and new system to get acclimated with. I expect maybe from a 6/10 to 8/8 record. But in 2012 this new team will be in its third year and really start clickin’. NFC Champs at least in 2012 and hope to win the SB. only hope that when we make it back, the Patriots do to. My stepfather is a Pats fan and I would love to have a little somethin to shove back at him.

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by BlackCatFan on Jan 6, 2011 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

I just can't wait until the Panthers are kicking people in the teeth again.

Remember the “glory” days when teams feared our defense and our offense was scoring points? The Panthers will be good again. I picked 2012 for the same reasons as James, but I think 2011 could be a monumentous season for the Panthers. I want the Panthers to be the team NOBODY wants to play, like the Baltimore Ravens a few years ago.

Dear Santa, please bring me a winning team next year!

by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 6, 2011 12:00 PM EST reply actions  

I picked 2011

I think they go 15-3 in the reg season with a strong run in the playoffs.

by MrBernz on Jan 6, 2011 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

I hope you are right.....

but I doubt it. Also, I looks strange as hell seeing 15-3 as a possible record. Lol.

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by ALAC on Jan 6, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

2011...if they make the right moves in the offseason

It depends on what direction the defense will go…..

by The Hitman on Jan 6, 2011 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

One thing to add

JR’s comment about not resigning anyone until a deal is reached is more worrisome. It looks like we may not be able to the likes of Charles Johnson, Ryan Kalil, DeAngelo Williams and Thomas Davis. We could franchise one of them – probably Ryan Kalil but we would still lose some really important pieces on both offense and defense.

The longer it takes for the new CBA to get finalized, the more difficult our next season gets.. It would be far more difficult for a new coach to come in prepare with shortened camps and OTAs. This goes for all teams with coaching changes

In a nutshell, our performance in the 2011 would depend a lot on how quickly the CBA gets approved. Right now, it feels like it might just be one of the most important factors for the Panthers.

by pieterzen on Jan 6, 2011 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

I dont think any team can sign a player until they have a cba agreement now.

That was my understanding of it. That the union has to be involved and the union is part of the cba negotiations, without a cba contract noone can be signed. If the cba is extended for another year while they hammer it out, that would be sort of an agreement and would change the rules a little bit.

by MrBernz on Jan 6, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

The current CBA

expires in March (3rd or 4th I think). Teams can continue to negotiate with players until then. Obviously, you have to be mindful of players becoming FA before that but if the Panthers wanted we could resign Charles Johnson, Ryan Kalil and the likes right away. But JR has stated that it is not going to happen until the CBA is finalized.

I can’t help but feel that this approach would make it difficult for us to establish continuity and add missing pieces which would be required to make us competitive in 2011. We had a list of players (thanks to aceofsween) that needed to be resigned and it included:

Charles Johnson
Ryan Kalil
Thomas Davis
DeAngelo Williams
Tyler Brayton
Jeff King
Dante Rosario
James Anderson

Losing these players to FA would make life very difficult for a new coach. Finding impact FA would not as easy later on in the year.

by pieterzen on Jan 7, 2011 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Resigned

I like your listed but Brayton signed a new three year contract at the beginning of the 2010 season and give the terrible way he played this year he is not going to have a spot of this roster whenever the next season is played. I agree with C. Johnson, T. Davis, J. Anderson, D-Will, Rosario (as long as he stays a backup) but J. King and T. Brayton are goners oh yeah and of course R. Kalil is going to be brought back asap.

Panthers Free Agency/ DRAFT NEEDS:

1. QB
2. DT
3. WR

Panthers are going to trade Smitty I honestly believe b.c. Smitty knows his years are numbered and he is no longer a true starting WR anymore. He has aged and we wasted some of his peak years with shit QB play . He at least R. Marshall is outta here I have been praying for that for three years now.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 7, 2011 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the Coach

I picked 2012, but realistically it all depends on who the coach is. Nobody really knows how good we will be with a brand new system.

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by Da Kid Long on Jan 6, 2011 1:21 PM EST reply actions  

Great article Cyberjag! Rec’d.

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by Ivan459 on Jan 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

i didn't vote for the LA Panthers

but that wouldn’t be too bad for me, I live quite close lol

by vitzeng on Jan 6, 2011 9:21 PM EST reply actions  

NOpe will not happen

Richardson dumped bad contracts and is ready to lock out players soon in this CBA/ lockout deal so moving the team would take at least three years of lackluster attendance and by that I mean no sellouts every year, multiple blackout games, and lastly just no money. Richardson is great business man and he worked to long and hard with his various staff memebers and family over the years to get this team here.

Sorry but LA will never see the Carolina Panthers, plus LA should just become an expansion team anyways they are a huge city, w/ multiple counties etc… What would they want with a small to middle market team LOL.

In Richardson I trust ! PERIOD !

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 7, 2011 2:08 AM EST up reply actions  

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