Adam Schefter talks no.1 pick, Andrew Luck, trading the pick and the Carolina Panthers
by James Dator on Jan 5, 2011 8:42 AM EST
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PrintThis morning NFL insider Adam Schefter was on ESPN radio's "Mike and Mike in the Morning" where he discussed a variety of NFL situations and scenarios. Talk turned to the NFL draft Schefter was quick to discuss the Carolina Panthers specifically.
Schefter went on the record to say he does not think there is any way the Panthers trade the #1 provided Andrew Luck enters the draft. He compared trading Luck and how it would be looked at historically like the Baltimore Colts trading John Elway to the Broncos. Granted, that situation is likely to be very different because Elway refused to play for the Colts, and as it stands there is not a single indication Andrew Luck would do the same with the Panthers, and honestly if you know anything about the kid you know this isn't going to happen.
As it stands none of us know if Luck will be a John Elway-esque talent, however, if we're working under that assumption then is there any price that could convince the Panthers to pass on taking Luck? Again, Schefter didn't think so, but when pressed he gave an outline of what the STARTING price would be for any of three interested teams (Denver, Buffalo and San Francisco) to move up and trade with Carolina.
That price, and an outline of what it would net the Panthers... after the jump
Keep in mind that this is not an absolute, it's not what has been offered, or what will be offered... we simply don't know. Schefter said the price wouldn't be just high, it would be exorbitant based on the fact belief is Andrew Luck is a true franchise quarterback.
That price: Starting at three 1st round picks
Yes, you read that correctly. Presumably 1st round picks in 2011, 2012 and 2013 plus additional compensation based likely on who was trading up. Superficially that sounds both insane and insanely attractive, but is it?
For the purpose of this comparison we're going to have to put our imagination hats on and assume for a second that Andrew Luck is as good as advertised. If you can't handle that then hit 'back' on your browser... no need to read on, no need to comment. Fact is, we need to have a firm universal level to have this discussion.
So we have our first condition: Andrew Luck is a true franchise QB
Then we come to the second element: How high will these picks be? Well, Denver picks #2 overall, Buffalo #3 and San Francisco #7. That's an average of #4 overall, and based on the fact most teams tend to improve naturally over time I think it's fair to imagine the resulting picks being a #4 in 2011 and #6 in 2012 and a #8 in 2013.
So we have our second condition: #4, #6 and #8 overall picks.
We now move into the third phase, analysis. Looking at a three year span from 1999-2010 here is what the projected picks would have yielded:
1999-2001: RB Edgerrin James, DT Corey Simon, WR David Terrell
2002-2004: OT Mike Williams, DT Jonathan Sullivan, CB DeAngelo Hall
2005-2007: RB Cedric Benson, TE Vernon Davis, DE Jamaal Anderson
2008-2010: RB Darren McFadden, LB Aaron Curry, LB Rolando McClain
Granted, I know there are severe flaws with this kind of comparison. I understand there are team needs, different team scouting etc. but I feel this arbitrary method is far fairer than going through three concecutive drafts and cherry picking successful players who could have been taken. Of all the above 12 picks only Rolando McClain was considered a reach at all, every other player was considered a good pick at their position.
Based on our first condition: That Andrew Luck will be a franchise QB and now that we have a basis for what kind of players could be taken what do you think?
Is there any price worth moving out of #1 if Andrew Luck declares?
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No, you take him
no way we trade that pick
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
absolutely, we don't trade that pick.
unless denver comes to us with three 1st round picks + Kyle Orton + Brandon Lloyd.
hmmmm……..we can think about that….
Li Zheng
by 111 on Jan 5, 2011 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
JR has already stated that we are not trading / shopping the number 1 overall pick in the 2011 NFL entry draft. LUCK IS TOO GOOD !
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 5, 2011 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No. There is no compensation.
If there is a franchise QB on the board, you take him.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Absolutely
Without a question, you take him
by Totalscholar on Jan 5, 2011 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
my god, Mortenson just said he wasn't sure
if JR would be willing to pay a number one type contract for Luck if he comes out. That’s about the dumbest thing I’ve heard this offseason.
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ESPN in all its brilliancy
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
Because we went so cheap on offering Peppers half the money on Earth to stay.
- rookie pay for a probable franchise QB is nothing compared to that.
I guess he wasn't watching the press conference...
JR: Marty, get that Mortenson kid up here immediately, I’m gonna give him a stern talkin’ to.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I think the biggest problem ESPN has with this situation...
Is there’s no “drama” involved for them to speculate over and debate for the next three months. If Luck declares, we’re taking him. They don’t get to debate who’s going #1 overall, who’s going to trade for the pick, etc. It becomes boring for them and they lose an opportunity to promote themselves and their “expert show”.
Plus, ESPN wants a “sexy market” to get Luck, not that dang-nabbit hick town in Carolina…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Jan 5, 2011 9:01 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If they was smart they would realize Luck to the Panthers would be the NFC South becomes Loaded. Freeman is better than anybody could of imagined. Ryan and Brees are top 10 QB’s. Luck in the mix and the South will finally get the respect it deserves and the toughest division in Football
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Exactly. And they don't want that.
Then they can’t pimp out the NFC East and the Pats/Jets all the time, because the NFC South will be a truly legit division.
Of course, we are anyway, but adding Luck to the mix makes us that much better of a division.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Luck in the division makes the Panthers catch up to the rest of the pack. Clausen is good and all but this division is being stacked with stellar QB play. We don’t catch up we could be in for trouble.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
If we don’t get a franchise QB, I’m afraid we will be the cellar dwellers of the division for many years to come, and the front office realizes this. There’s no way we trade that pick unless Luck decides to stay in school, and then we still won’t trade it because no one else will want it anymore.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
We dont get luck we got the improve this defense and fast. We won’t be able to keep up with the offense so we will have to make up for it on defense
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
It's good...
but it needs to be much much much better at take-aways and scoring on themselves much like the Bears superbowl run a few years back.
by Penn Panther Fan on Jan 5, 2011 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not mention we will need luck (franchise QB) to compete competitively in our division
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
I trust the owner
I do not care with what Adam S says. The Cat himself said that there was TRADING AWAY the #1 pick this year. If Luck does declare the Panthers are picking him.
As for “So we have our second condition: #4, #6 and #8 overall picks”…based on the performance of Sam Bradford this year. Trading away that pick last year would have amounted to a #15 this year and possibly a #20 next year(based on the way Sam is playing).
So trading away a #1 Franchise QB is never a good option…PERIOD.
Now we wait and watch if Luck declares or stays.
I agree with everything you've said
Honestly, I used the #4, #6, #8 as a basis because even though there are examples like St. Louis, there are others where teams got worse. Wanted to keep it as fair as possible.
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Chances of those picks being a once in a decade talent is slim. #1 pick equals #1 talent and Luck on most accounts is “special” we trade the rights to him away and it will haunt this franchise for years to come.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
In the division in which we play, we need a stud QB
and we need to take Luck
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Andrew is 21
Andrew Austen Luck (born September 12, 1989). So we will be getting a franchise QB to last us another 12 years.
by Indian Panther on Jan 5, 2011 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully longer
i’d say a QB can go until he is 36-37 in many cases…if he stays healthy
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
If he’s only 21 now, we should be able to get 15-18 years out of him if he stays healthy.
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Pffft....
I’m saying 20+
He’s untouchable… like Jen Sterger to Brett Favre
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lol
If he does decide to be Brett Favre in 2032…
Hey baby, you wanna get “Lucky” tonight?
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Brady said he wanted to play in his 40’s like farve some guys just love the game. If you can keep your health go for it
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I have no problem whatsoever with Brett Favre’s desire to play football until his arm literally falls off, regardless of his age.
The problem I have with Brett Favre is his holding the media hostage and the constant “will I retire, or won’t I retire” nonsense that dragged out every summer for the last three years, and the constant attention that it was given by ESPN as if Favre is some sort of demi-god.
I seriously expected them to launch ESPN4 – the Favre Network, if this shit would have went on for one more summer.
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While i do believe he hammed it up on numerous accounts he only did it cause ESPN ran with it. They have turned into TMZ for sports the past couple years
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
By the end you could tell that he was getting tired of ESPN bothering him, but he did bring it upon himself by dragging the decisions out the way that he did. He could have just been straightforward with the media and prevented the circus from ever happening.
Thankfully though, it’s all over, because I don’t see how he can even come back if he wanted to.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
His presence in the pocket, his footwork, his quick release with no windup, the speed with which the passes find their targets, the awareness of the whole field, and where everybody is on it - these remind me of Peyton.
Of course, the Panthers need to construct a blocking wall for him, like the Colts have for Manning for so long – but if they give him protection, and barring any fluke injury, he should have a long shelf life.
You were even being TOO fair, by assuming 4,6 and 8 in the next 3 years.
Because if one makes your first assumption (that Luck is indeed a franchise QB, who can change the landscape for whichever team he lands with), then after 2-3 years, he’ll probably have his team picking later than #6 and #8.
But I like the analysis, and it should squelch any further talk of trading the pick – if JR didn’t already with his statement.
Is there anyway to see McShay's draft grades/scouting reports w/o being an insider?
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
thats what i heard on the radio show but I just wanted to read up on it...
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah he did. He gave Matt Ryan same grade..I wanted Matt Ryan when he was drafted but knew it was no way Falcons let us move ahead of them. Now we got the chance to get a QB just as good if not better. Luck declares NFC South is about to get serious
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Where the hell did Luck screw up?? I want to know.
That’s a potential weakness defenses could scheme around!
I agree that we shouldn't trade.
but I have to admit having 2 first round picks for the next three years is fairly intriguing. But when you think you have a true franchise QB that you can build your franchise around for the next 10 years you have to pull the trigger.
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correction: it'd be 1 this year and 2 for the next two years.
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very true, the value of later 1st round picks diminishes greatly
and we’d have no idea where SF will be picking for the next 3 years.
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
It is intriguing...
But I’d rather wait 3 years and then be picking between 26-32 every year until 2025.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
haha this
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
I agree, I can't imagine what it would be like to have a Peyton Manning type QB
that could help keep you in the mix year in and year out.
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Not to mention, there seems like very little risk in taking Luck
everyone is saying he is as close to a not-miss prospect as you can get, and after watching him play with flawless mechanics, a cannon arm, and a good head, I’m convinced
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 8:59 AM EST up reply actions
the pass he made on the run to the outside to the TE was sick. There are QB’s in the NFL who would of struggled with that throw
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
incredible
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Did anyone watch the sugar bowl last night?
that was a hell of a game
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
If I'm Ryan Mallett, I'm buying those WR's some stick-em
Arkansas should have won that game, but their receivers stone-handed too many throws.
That, and the kid should have picked up the blocked punt and ran with it instead of diving on it.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
those are the two things that I noted as well
I went crazy when they dropped the punt and I couldn’t believe the guy fell on it. Although, ironically, that is what you are supposed to do with fumbles. Had he tried to run with it and OSU had recovered we all would have ripped him to shreds.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Poor Mallet
I feel kind of bad doling out blame to college kids (especially freshman like that one kid…Adam?), but Mallet’s receivers didn’t do him any favors. I would like to think that draft analysts/scouts would look past Mallet’s stat lines for that game to see what actually happened to lead to those stats. But some analysts just aren’t that bright or are biased for whatever reason in their reports (Kiper…looking at you)
Kiper has his agent bias...
I think most well respected scouts don’t look at stats, they actually look at mechanics and technique.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
And here's looking right back at ya....
Of course, this makes me realize that Kiper looks like Egon from the Ghostbusters movies, lol.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Who the HELL is Mel Kiper? lol
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
Yeah right more like draft fraud.. Has he even played football before?
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
I remember a story about this once...
All the other college kids were out getting drunk/laid/etc, and Mel was locked in his sad little room lining up draft boards….
…And now we can’t have a draft without his “expert” input…
Click on the Mike and Mike box (play button)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2011/news/story?id=5988254
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
Per Pat Yasinkas...
Emphasis mine:
If Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck decides to enter the 2011 draft, the Carolina Panthers will take him, two high-ranking team officials said Tuesday. … Luck is viewed as the top prospect in the country by most draft analysts and the Panthers don’t disagree with that assessment. The team officials said they wouldn’t even consider trading down in the draft if Luck is available.
Article here.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
espn
The channel has to do something to keep fans watching as boring as the channel is getting?
Colin Cowheard who a lot of people hate..i don’t but i can respect you if you do said weeks ago he didn’t think we were a bad team we just need what every bad team needs a QB. When they talked about Coach vs Player he said he would take Luck because NFL is full of good coaches but lack the QB. You can go out and get a good coach. You can’t go out and get an Andrew Luck. And its true you can’t.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Ironically we had the worst OC and worst QB coach in the league on the same team for the past 3 years
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I used to hate Cowherd...
But now I just dislike him. :-)
But seriously, at least he gets it.
I do watch SportsNation sometimes though, because I like Michelle Beadle (for more than just her looks).
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
the only reason she is on that show is for her looks...
if it was some ugly chick NO ONE would tune in
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
well yeah....
But she is pretty cool though, even if she weren’t a hottie.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
haha ya i like beadle too and Colin is a shock jock he says stuff just to piss people off but he is right more often then not especially with picks. He worked in Vegas for years
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I think my biggest problem with him is that he just comes across as a huge douchebag.
But now that I’ve learned he feels this way about the Panthers, he obviously understands reality, so I might have to give him another chance.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
it shocked me because he is self admitting of being a big market guy but he said with Luck he wouldn’t be shocked if we made the Playoffs. We got talent we just miss the one part a lot of bad teams are missing. The most important position. QB
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
he does come off douchey, but I actually kinda like him
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
In an alternate universe...
Where we had a QB with several years of proven capability (Cassel-esque or Cutler-esque), and we had absolutely no promise with a single player on offense for said QB to hand or throw the ball to, then it might be feasible to understand trading out of that number one pick to get some good parts to surround the respectable QB.
But we don’t live in that alternate universe.
We have not had a season of somewhat consistent decent QB play in forever (Delhomme in his early glory days and Moore on the ending notes of 2009 were about as close as we’ve gotten). We have never had a franchise QB. Clausen has not earned that title (not saying he can’t, but he hasn’t made a good campaign for himself). MANY football insiders say that Luck is about as close to a sure franchise QB as you can get.
When you have nothing to hang our hat on at QB, when you have 4 good-to-great RBs (D-Will, J-Stew, Goodson, Sutton), when you have two very promising rookie WRs going into their second seasons, and when you have kinda serviceable TEs, you HAVE to take a chance with that #1 pick to get a franchise changer QB who can use his abilities to make all of those other parts work better and more efficiently.
In this case, in this draft, in this state of our team, it’s a no-brainer to use the #1 pick on Luck. (A few months ago, I might have had a different opinion, but after the Panthers QB situation made little-to-no improvement, and as Luck has been tested and analyzed more and more…I’ve come to the current conclusion.) About the only way I’d consider trading out of it would be to the Pats to get Brady, Welker, Hernadez, Woodhead, and half of the several hundred draft picks they’ve managed to grab for themselves for the next decade.
I can't believe you...
How dare you call Rosario and Barnidge “kinda serviceable TEs”?
They are awesome. Get with the program. :-)
(I hope you know I’m kidding.)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
On the TE note:
Kyle Rudolph has declared for the draft.
Would absolutely love to find a way of getting him. Perhaps he slides to the 3rd due to injury, but he’s just what we need
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What a kick in the nutts to Clausen if we draft Luck and Rudolph
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 5, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Clausen has nutts?
seems he woulda played better this year if he did…all I saw was a scared little girl
by Totalscholar on Jan 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Heck yes.
If he’s there in the 3rd we should look at him, especially if there are no other players of need (namely DT’s) on the board worth drafting.
IIRC, Jeff King is a free agent. We can let him walk, because Rosario, Barnidge, and Rudolph would be a great trio of TE’s to have.
Or, we could even just roll with Rosario and Rudolph, if Barnidge fails to live up to (my) expectations when actually given the opportunity to play.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
King is a FA...let him walk
isn’t Rosario a FA as well?
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
He could be, but I'm not sure.
For some reason I thought he had one more year left on his contract.
I could be wrong though. It has happened before, although rarely. :-)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
A quick search turns up these as FA this year
DeAngelo Williams
Matt Moore
Ryan Kalil
Jeff King
Charles Johnson
Richard Marshall
Thomas Davis
James Anderson
Johnson/Kalil must signs. The rest depends on new HC and where Hurney and this team are headed.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I’d want Davis and Anderson back too, but yeah, it all depends.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Isn't he the top rated TE?
I see no way he drops to the 3rd
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
He does have some minor injury concern...
He had a shoulder problem 2 years ago and he lost this past season because his hamstring separated from the bone during a game. Teams might be hesitant to draft him early because of the injury risk.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Watch the Pats use one of there million picks on him like they did with Brandon Tate years ago
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
how many picks do they ahve in the 1st two rounds?
I can think of 4 atleast
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions
He was
His injury this year was pretty horrific and last year he had a shoulder injury.
If Greg Hardy can fall from #1 overall to 6th round due to injury, I think there’s a possibility Rudolph falls to the top of the 3rd.
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fair enough...
I still can’t believe we got Hardy in the 6th…what a bargain
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Heck, he could even fall to the 4th.
The injury he sustained (hamstring) was pretty severe.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
What I don't understand is why Andrew woult NOT want to come out in the draft?
IF you are the first pick you are going to a “crappy” team to begin with. So the reasoning to wait until a better team comes along does not make sense. If Andrew does his due diligence he will see that the Panthers team is young but with the tools necessary to succeed. He will have a great center and two excellent tackles. Therefore he should be protected. (as long as we keep Otah healthy, and Gross still before snaps)
You cannot improve from being #1. Therefore he cannot improve his position within the draft.
HE may need more snaps, but if you draft him and then bring in a free agent, or hold onto Clausen. This may allow Ansrew the time needed to get used to the speed of the game.
To finish out your career or get the Heisman does nothing to your resume. You are already the number 1 pick. There is always a chance of injury or a new coach to change the system to hurt your chances of being a top pick.
He can always finish his education at a later date. He can pay cash for the school and not use student loans.
Last and most importantly, if he truly is a franchise quarterback, then he will make more money in less thime than most professional careers (non-sports related). Does not make sense from a financial standpoint.
Just my 2 cents worth…..
by univonc on Jan 5, 2011 9:32 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Totally agree with everything you said. You got my rec.
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way i look at it New Coach New Offensive line…No way he doesn’t declare.
If he doesn’t……
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Financially...
his dad was a quarterback and is the AD for WV. Money isn’t an issue with his family which is why people speculate he could go back.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Actually I disagree.
Financially he has the opportunity to set himself up for life. His father makes just enough being the AD. I suspect somewhere in the 100’s of thousand dollars.
Andrew has the ability to sign for millions. The only reason I would see is that philosophically he needs to achieve something for pride.
My guess, he’s coming out…..
his dad was quoted as saying something to the effect of:
“The money will still be there next year”
There is no pressing need for him to leave for financial reasons like there are for many players. I’m not saying I think Luck is going back to school, I think he is coming out. But I can see why he might stay at Standford if he loves it that much.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Point taken
However, I have learned that things happen. The risk is TOO much for the reward at this point.
It’s easy to by philosophic.
I agree...If it was me I'd have already declared
But it’s happened, Locker went back, Sam Bradford went back…it’s not unprecedented. I think Andrew Luck leaves because I think Harbaugh is leaving.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
+1....... if its me I declare in a heartbeat
But this kid is a different type and a special type.
Who knows what he’ll do???? Whatever he decides, I for one won’t hold it against him if he goes back , but man I sure hope he declares and becomes a Panther.
Remember Leinart...
He would have been the #1 but chose to stay and fell to #10… loss of tens of millions of $
No reason to risk that sort of money.
Even the difference between #1 and #2 is huge; why wait. You can always go back to college…
By the way
I love your profile name, haus. If you said that to J Sehorn he would start twitching.
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by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
The only way I don't see him coming out is if he is obsessed with Collegiate Awards
Which last time I checked no one cares about (Tyrell Pryor selling his)
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
I wouldn't even trade the pick for any of the 'franchise QBs' in the NFL right now.
Because for one, most of them are getting old. Luck is 20. Tell Denver and SF to find their own guy.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
not to mention his ceiling is so high
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
You wouldn’t trade it for Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers? Both are young and could definitely be considered franchise QBs. Bird in the hand man… bird in the hand.
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I would consider trading it to SD for Phillip Rivers and their entire draft.
Anything less than that, from any team, and I hang up the phone.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Not sure
I can’t get behind the notion that you wouldn’t take a KNOWN franchise QB over a POTENTIAL one.
But, it is pretty irrelevant… why would any team trade away their franchise QB for an unknown commodity? They wouldn’t.
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Moot point
The bird in the hand view is the same reason they’d never trade for Luck. Besides, As a fan I’d prefer to have a franchise QB that’s a Panther’s icon not some other teams sloppy seconds ;)
IF Harbaugh decides to coach a pro football team this year, I can't envision the Panthers getting Luck
There’ll be no way that we could ever get Luck.
Firstly, he’s got to make the decision that he’s going to come out. I personally don’t think he’ll enter the draft. That makes him come out next year, and in that scenario, he probably ends up in Buffalo.
However, IF he does decide to enter the draft (and given that Harbaugh is probably now coaching SF or Denver), Harbaugh is most likely to demand a trade for Luck. SF doesn’t have a QB and they need one, and Denver would probably take Luck to align the stars with Elway, Harbaugh, and Luck regardless of Tebow. Additionally, Luck is probably going to demand that he play for Harbaugh. Let’s face it, would Luck rather play comfortably under a coach who he’s played for, familiar with, and is like a father figure, OR would he rather come to a new team like Carolina that is going to have a completely new and unknown staff who could be great or terrible, have to shoulder the entire team and city on his back, and endure the QB battle/talk/mess with Clausen for a long time? IMO, that’s an easy decision. Like Elway and Eli Manning, Luck will demand a trade and refuse to play in Carolina. I know he’s got a great attitude, but he knows his value and probably won’t want to waste it on the situation in Carolina.
Either way, whether he comes out this year or next year, I just can’t see us taking Luck.
If Harbaugh coaches another team, then they must make a sweetheart deal with the Panthers for that to occur
Panthers are in a great position for anything.
Thank GOD Hurney didn’t trade this one away years ago for a second rounder….
I respect your opinion jkp...
But I disagree with everything you just said.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Okay, well I'll happily eat my words if we somehow get Andrew Luck, but I'm not planning on it happening
Because he’s NOT entering the draft this year
You seem quite confident in that...
But I think you’re wrong. :-)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
totally disagree
Luck just doesn’t strike me as the kind of guy that is gonna come in and demand a trade. The reality is, if Harbaugh wants his golden boy, he’d have to come coach here.
"My everything, or nothing. My everything, or nothing. WE gonna fight, til we can't fight no more. We gonna lie down, and bleed a while. Gonna get up, and fight again." -Tashard Choice
by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Part of me thinks they want to split...
Why not forge their own legacies instead of having to deal with “they couldn’t do it without the other” for the rest of their careers?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
bwsmith...That's my thinking.
I mean, I loved my kindergarten teacher & I was one of her favorite students ever (seriously…over 20 years later she still asks my mom about me whenever they happen to run into each other). But my kindergarten teacher wanted to go on and teach other kids, and I kind of had to go to 1st grade. =)
But on a serious not, yeah, I agree with you.
Furthermore, if the two demanded to play with each other…I’d lose respect for both (it would be rather whiney and co-dependent).
by jamiedk on Jan 5, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thats actually not a bad analogy at all
Everyone assumes Harbaugh & Luck have a desire to be connected by the hip.
I don’t think thats the case at all.
Great analogy jamie.
It fits the situation perfectly.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Ummm Harbaugh isn't a kindergarten teacher
I get where you’re going, but comparing Harbaugh to a Kindergarten teacher is pretty far from the truth. He is a top level coach, one that everyone here wanted until he decided he didn’t want us.
It's not that far off, really...
They’re both teachers.
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And you'd be surprised at how little some people change from kindergarten to college.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2011 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
The point is there's an appropriate time to move on in life and take the next step
and sometimes that involves amicably parting ways with a student, player, employee, business partner etc.
The trick is knowing when that time is right.
The co-dependency angle is a wise one to mention.
Harbaugh especially is probably of the mind that he wants to assert the success of the Stanford program, and its resurgence, was due to HIM, and his tutelage of Luck, and that he can do it again, with anybody else.
The possibility that he may find himself in the position, in future, of Shanahan, without his Elway, isn’t apparent to him now, in the full flush of glory.
As for Luck, “Thanks for all you did, coach; best wishes for you in the future. Next level, here I come.”
Are you saying you rec’d yourself, because you replied to yourself? :-)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Just give me a head's up on the date and time of the press conference...
And I will be sure to have my appearance in perfect order. Just don’t scare the crap out of me like JR would. =)
Narcissist?? Rec. rescinded, on account of hard times.
Press conference to hash all this out to be held next week.
Jamie, you up front, and bring your A-game, girl.
Actually...
It seems like we agree on most Panthers matters…so it might be hard to “duke it out” over anything. =)
But I’ll keep my eye out for something to nit-pick about.
I could see the "Luck not caring where he goes" point of view
but there is no way Harbaugh doesnt want the top prospect qb to be his guy. Harbaugh knows Luck better than any scout & knows what he would get.
Honestly, you have no understanding of who Andrew Luck is as a person.
I’ve said ‘mark my words’ three times this season:
- Mark my words: John Fox wont be back
- Mark my words: Charles Johnson will have more sacks than Julius Peppers
- Mark my words: John Harbaugh and Andrew Luck are leaving
So… for the 4th time:
- Mark my words: Andrew Luck wont pull an Elway/ Eli Manning
You listen to the kid speak for five minutes and you immediately know there is NOTHING that indicates he’s a prima donna. That’s what Elway and Eli had. If Luck returns to school that’s one thing, but he will not demand anything.
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James I agree
This kid has the demeanor of Peyton Manning. He is intelligent and humble.
Everything we feel this franchise stands for.
Not sure I'd call Peyton Manning humble...but certainly intelligent
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
That's funny
Appreciate the comment. So true….
Actualy, he was pretty humble at Tennessee...
It wasn’t until he got 25 endorsement deals that he became a little enamored with himself. Even now I find him more humble than most during interviews. He fits the midwest personna so well. That’s why people in Indy idolize him like the second coming…
Dear Santa, please bring me a winning team next year!
by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 5, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
James....
Just curious here, but do you have any more bold “Mark my word,” predictions for the near future of the Panthers? I feel like you might be a Magic 8 Ball. =)
I've got one brewing about where I think the head coach will come from... but I feel it's still in 'ask again later' territory
Looking a little cloudy, but I’m almost 100% sold on the idea we should watch the Marty Schottenheimer coaching tree for the next head coach.
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marty?
would that include bringing brian to carolina?
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Marty already lives in the area
Lake Norman. Bring in his son, hand it off and then move into consultation…..
Manuski.
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by ALAC on Jan 5, 2011 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I puke in my mouth a little...
when I think of Manuski taking over…
by Totalscholar on Jan 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
My gut tells me he’s very high on the list.
I’m not 100% sure, but from what we know about Richardson he wants people around him he knows he’ll like (for better or for worse), people who have established football backgrounds and people who follow his philosophy.
Brian Schottenheimer satisfies these three conditions to be sure.
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Two, actually.
1. Phillip Rivers
2. Mark Sanchez
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I'm not ready to call Sanchez a success as of yet
He has played some truly terrible games.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Two straight playoff seasons...
Of course, Rivers is the true measure of his skill, but Sanchez isn’t as bad as some other rookie QB’s in the league. Not naming names, but…….
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Yeah but you can't credit those two seasons to him.
In both he has barely completed over 50% of his passes, and his career INTs exceed his career TDs.
I just think he is garbage.
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IMO, he’s better this year than he was last year.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
He is better this year
But until he starts completing more passes and limiting his mistakes he just isn’t even close to the type of QB I would like to have.
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I very respectfully disagree
Sanchez has pulled out some clutch wins at the end of games. The kid knows how to win.
Too be fair i don’t think Sanchez is as good as Rivers or Luck. He seems to lack maturity. He matures i think he can improve greatly.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Well luck has done nothing thus far
GSO
by MikeTrain on Jan 5, 2011 11:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I totally agree....
but I do think Sanchez’s improvement and sucess thus far (2 playoff seasons) is an illustration of Shottenheimer’s sucess at successfully working with young QB’s.
I've watched alot of Jets games this season.
IMHO Sanchez has showed marked improvement this season. I think Shottenheimer deserves alot of the credit for that.
Okay
Honestly, James I don’t think you have an understanding of who Andrew Luck is as a person. He desperately wants to graduate, loves college, loves Stanford, and loves playing college football. Money isn’t a big deal to him, and neither is his draft stock.
MARK MY WORDS: Andrew Luck won’t enter the draft this season.
i expect he will come out
especially if harbaugh leaves…he doesn’t want to start over with a new coach, that could significantly hurt his stock
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
Not only will he have to deal with a new coach...
But he would have a new OL too.
If you’re going to have a new coach and new OL anyway, why not get paid $40M to do it?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
You can get your college degree during the offseason.
If his degree is that important to him, he can get it.
You don’t get told you’re guaranteed to be the #1 pick in the draft that often, if ever.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
how did you go from
this:
he has to make the decision if he is ready for the NFL, and the only person who will know that is him.
to this:
Money isn’t a big deal to him, and neither is his draft stock.
MARK MY WORDS: Andrew Luck won’t enter the draft this season.
overnight?
-formerly JC_GSO-
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Well
The first one says the decision is up to him. And the second is my opinion of the guy. What’s the problem?
well in one sentence
you say no one knows what he is thinking except him, then in the second you say you know money isn’t a big deal, you know his draft stock isn’t a big deal and you know he won’t declare. I find it just a tad bit contradictory, am I wrong?
-formerly JC_GSO-
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
No, not at all John Chilton
The first one simply says that no one really knows and that he’ll have to make the decision all upon himself. The second is simply my opinion. Not contradictory in the slightest
okay so let me fix that for you
instead of:
Money isn’t a big deal to him, and neither is his draft stock.
should be:
In my opinion, Money isn’t a big deal to him, and neither is his draft stock.
-formerly JC_GSO-
Rules and Regulations of the Game: 89, Bottom Line
by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
that had nothing to do with it besides being
in front of the statement. It was about differentiating between fact and opinion. But thanks for being a smart ass anyway.
-formerly JC_GSO-
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Because I know I’d be super excited to return to Stanford without my head coach, without my All-American center who’s graduating and without Ryan Whalen my #1 receiver.
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And even better...
I get to leave possibly $60M on the table while doing it, because making $100,000 per year drawing blueprints is awesome.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Possibly...
But new reports are saying they may extend the current CBA to prevent a lockout for this year.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Wow bw... is that reliable info. It is hugely important.
I was thinking that I was drinking too much....so I quit thinking
They've been saying that it's a possibility for a year now.
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I'd like to make 100k drawing blueprints
Where do I sign up?
JK….but not really.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Just so you know...
This isn’t the kind of blueprints we’re talking about…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Yeah, that was my application that I turned in. It was rejected. I don’t know why, I tried really hard that time and it only took me 3 days to finish it. Of course, momma had to go buy me another box of crayons cause I ate most of the first box, but still…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
by BW Smith on Jan 5, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of... we really need a backup center. Anybody know where Stanford's
center (name escapes me) is projected?
I was thinking that I was drinking too much....so I quit thinking
I saw 4th-5th on several mocks.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
To be clear though, I never said Luck definitely will declare
I think he will, but I promise you that if he does declare he wont pull an Elway.
Seems that ‘pulling an Elway’ has become the last life raft for the Clausen hopeful to cling to.
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If we do draft Luck, and he comes in and has a dynamite rookie year...
What do we do with Clausen? Do we try and get something in return for him, or do we have the league’s highest drafted backup for 2 more years?
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
trade him IMO
we have a Vet to back up Luck. Can’t let Clausen just waste away on the bench, it’d be unfair to his career
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
If Luck is legitimately dynamite then you trade him.
If Luck has a good, but not great one then you keep Clausen as insurance.
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That's what I'm thinking, but was curious how others felt.
I’d rather see Clausen succeed elsewhere than rot on our bench behind Luck.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Highest drafted backup isn't highest paid backup. Big deal.
Even his ardent supporters say he needed more time on the bench to study and learn.
If he needed it this year, he sure as hell looks like he’d need it some more nest year. There was no semblance of improvement as his 10 starts went on, was there?
(And James, since it’s now become irrelevant, there’s no need to break out the comps on Moore and JC after 10 starts, is there? Case closed.)
My thinking is that if we draft Luck and he does play lights out that we could trade Clausen for a draft pick, sign a veteran backup, and use Tony Pike as the 3rd QB.
There’s no need to let Clausen rot on the bench when he could be useful to another team.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Oh, I agree. To me, he's as expendable as Fiammetta.
…or Bernadeau, or Schwartz, or Garry Williams. Or Richard Marshall.
Plenty of fungible parts to be replaced.
Ummm Actually you did just say he will defintely declare....
And I quote….
- Mark my words: John Harbaugh and Andrew Luck are leaving
There is no uncertainty in that statement. Actually it’s a pretty bold statement that says he definitely will declare.
Its just as bold to say he is NOT.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Yup, they’re my words.
Me saying “Luck definitely will declare” indicates some sort of knowledge I have of the situation. Wanted there to be know mix up and have people thinking I have some inside information.
It is my opinion that both are leaving.
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Funyn thing, I disagreed with you the first two times.
Count me a believer now! :)
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2011 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Funyuns are the bomb.
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Wow I don't know if anyone says the bomb anymore?
I think you just showed your age BW… 35+ maybe
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Damn dude...
No, I’m not 35+
I’m 30. And I still say “the bomb”, lol.
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No you can't... if you want to say something that sounds cool try to go for this..
“Funyans are the bomb go hard as hell!”
or “Funyans are Gucci”
or “These Funyans got swag”
Now you sound young and caught up with the game
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
Thanks for the tip...lol
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
What about these:
“Funyuns are groovy”
“I sure would enjoy to partake in some Funyuns at my next box social!”
“THE BRITISH ARE COMING… also Funyuns are delightful”
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Lol hell no "groovy" "delightful" "social box"
haha is that what they say in sydney?
The thing I REALLY hate is that the Bengals will probably end up taking Cam Newton at #2. - SexBengals Fan
Box social... not social box... and this country invented it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_social
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And no offense...
But those sayings are retarded, lol.
I seriously don’t get why you kids think this stuff is cool, lol.
Holy crap, I just had my first “old” moment…….
I think I’m going to bed now. :-)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
It's fine, you're too old for swag anyways. ;)
Don’t worry, you’re still Gucci in my book.
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"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 6, 2011 7:53 AM EST up reply actions
More 'Members Only'
jk, bw, yer still crunk w/me.
lol nice one
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I'm pretty sure it's now cool to say "I eat Funyans...
LIKE A BOSS!"
If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
Hahaha yeah
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Going to buffalo
is reason enough for me to declare and go to carolina instead! who wants to go to Buffalo?
uhh, T.O?
Wait, he already burned that bridge.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
He was desperate
needed work and money…my point exactly…
Hey James, This is off Topic
Do we get a Comp. Pick for Mushin Muhammed? because he became a free agent, but then retired. Since he was not released i was thinking we should get a comp. pick for him, and if we do what do you think we would get?
by panthertillidrop on Jan 5, 2011 10:01 AM EST reply actions
Free fries and a drink with the purchase of a Big Mac....
j/k
Seriously, I don’t think we’ll get anything for him, but I don’t know.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I didn't know Moose what that valuable.
To me Boberries are worth their weight in gold.
I’ve probably added 20 lbs to my frame just from eating those things since I ate at Bojangles for the first time last year.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
what!!!
first time last year??? You’ve been missing out for a very long time
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Story time, kids .... pull up a chair.
The town I grew up in didn’t have a Bojangles. When my wife and I moved to the Charleston area, the closest one was 15 minutes away, and we had a Zaxby’s in our town, so I never felt the need to go to Bojangles when I could just go to Zaxby’s. Well, last year we finally got a Bojangles, so I tried it, and I’ve been eating Boberries at an astronomical rate ever since.
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four piece supremes combo w/ extra seasoning on everything
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
They are excessively addictive
Hell… that whole menu is. I’m a Cajun Filet biscuit man myself.
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They do have great food.
I like to get the two piece meal with two fixin’s and a large sweet tea. …. my god, the sweet tea….
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
all this talk of bojangles is makin me hungry...
i think i’m gonna grab some for lunch today
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah… I’m going to have google Bojangles because I don’t have a clue what you guys are talking about.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
We should have already gotten it.....
When we lost him to Chicago.
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by ALAC on Jan 5, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't think you get them twice.
Although that would be awesome. Lol.
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by ALAC on Jan 5, 2011 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
We do not get a compensatory pick
Compensatory picks are only awarded automatically for losing players to free agency, or unexpected retirements/ career ending injuries. In the case of the latter you need to appeal to the league for them where the case is reviewed.
Given the circumstances Carolina wont sent Moose to review because logically we chose not to resign him and he retired, we shouldn’t be awarded one.
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OK
Would we get one if Matt Moore cannot come back? I know we asked for a first for him at the start of the season, but with Hurney picking I would be ok with a 6th.
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Perhaps, but it wouldn't happen until 2012
You are only awarded picks if you sign less free agents than you lose.
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I still thik Moore will be ok.
I am positive, that after his injury, i saw him on the sideline still throwing a ball, trying to determine if he could come back into the game. I think his surgery may have been a minor repair to a major possibility area. Because, if it was a career ending thing, how would he be able to go through the throwing motions b4 his surgery?
I saw him throwing on the sidelines, too. The guy was grimacing in pain, but he could throw the ball. So I was surprised to hear that he needed surgery.
I’m not super-familiar with the injury, but my understanding is that if you’re a QB, a torn labrum is bad. Period. I’m sure he’ll be able to throw a football without a problem, but to be able to do it an an NFL level…that may be (probably will be) an entirely different story. Again, Drew Brees is the only successful QB to return from that.
A lot of people don’t care if he stays with Carolina or not…and some probably prefer that he leave to have another QB spot. I like Moore, so I would love for him to stay with the Panthers (as a backup) if he’s able to perform at an NFL backup level.
But he’s not even allowed to throw a ball until March, and a new coaching staff will be very likely to pass on him if they have to wait that long to see what he might be able to do.
No.
You draft Luck, plain and simple. Darrin Gantt said it best – “better to draft him and have him turn out to be a David Carr than to pass on him and have him turn out to be a Petyon Manning.”
I’m heavily leaning towards the latter while being as unbiased as possible. Every #1 draft pick has his questions and unknowns (injury-prone, attitude, etc). There just isn’t anything like that with this kid. His main “issue” is that he really enjoys college and may want to stay there.
Maybe Harbuagh knew Luck wasn't coming out...
Or strongly suspected it, which is why he didn’t feel it was neccesary to entertain the Panthers inquiries.
…..I have a headache thinking about all the possibilities between HC, the draft, the CBA, and I won’t get rid of this headache for weeks………………..
I think we’re over-thinking it at this point.
I think it amounts to this:
- Gantt says they’ve talked for weeks.
- Schefter says 49ers offered far more money
- Kawakami says 49ers offered full control of football operations
- Gantt said Panthers will not allow full control of football operations
More money + full control > Your preferred QB
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I'm definitely interested in trade down compensation...
But only in the Luck doesn’t declare scenario. If he is there, we take him. If not, I’m curious what we could get to trade down a few picks.
Nothing.
The problem is: if Luck doesn’t declare, no one will want the pick. Or, no one will want it badly enough to be willing to provide fair compensation for it.
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yup Its either one of the best #1 picks in years or the worst #1 pick in years…
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I don't know about that.
There is still a lot of talented players coming out in this draft.
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There always is, but...
…it is well known that this draft is very thin due to a lot of players jumping the CBA in 2010.
Not much..truth is Luck is only must have player in this draft. I doubt any team would feel the absolute need to move up for anything else
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yep. pretty scary.
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think if Luck doesn't declare
the likelihood of somebody even wanting the #1 goes way down. Especially if there is no rookie wage scale.
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
I think if Luck goes back to school...
We draft AJ Green and pray that Clausen is as good as his supporters say he is.
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Yup him or Fairley. Id take Green if reports of Smitty wanting out are true. He may stay for Luck but bolt if its Clausen
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Smith has had a very unusual demeanor this year
If you read into it, you get the impression that he is not satisfied with Clausen at QB.
Going to take a truck load of Cactus Cooler to make up for this season
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Luck's from the west coast, he can bring it with him.
And with the contract he’s likely to get, he can certainly afford it.
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I see it this way:
Smitty had a special rapport with Jake – who made the other is a debate, but they fed off the other, had great chemistry, and great timing. Smitty somehow knew where those rainbows were coming down.
I think Smith was as sorry to see that end, as Fox was.
Then he built something up, or was starting to, with Moore, who knew where to find him. Then this year, that all went away, due to concussion, bad decisions, bad play-calling, torn labrum, etc. Now Smith’s “stuck” with running out on deep patterns for a QB who can’t see him, or can’t get him the ball. Smith’s frustration level is up at the Max mark on the dip-stick.
But Smith watches games. He hears talk. He sees how good Luck can be, and how the vertical game could rise again (isn’t that what vertical is?) I think if Luck declares, and we get him, Smith wants badly to be here to enjoy it. If not, he wants out, while he can still enjoy the game.
If only Jimmy would think with is dipstick...
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I got cussed out...
At the Bengals game for yelling that. The guy in front of me was a royal tool. Said I was an anti-fan and told me he was going to throw my ass over the stadium wall (we were on the last row) if I didn’t shut the F-up. I told him to F-ck off, I paid good money for the worst seats in the stadium and I’ll be damned if I won’t yell whatever the f-ck I want. Later on, I accidentally dropped a piece of pizza down his back. He left.
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by ALAC on Jan 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Was it really an accident? ;)
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 5, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Probably.
Have you seen the prices for food at BoA? :-)
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True.
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Been there and paid them.
Really not worth it most of the time.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 6, 2011 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, it really was.
It was pouring rain that day and everything was soaked. The box went limp on me and the pizza went right down his back….sauce side down. Probably ruined his shirt. I actually felt bad afterwards, even though he was being an ass. My son thought the whole thing was hilarious.
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The box went limp on me…
That’s what she said.
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Lol...
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If Smith’s reaction to another highly touted college QB i.e. Clausen was to be skeptical, I don’t see how Luck will garner a different reaction. Steve doesn’t care what you do in college. He cares what you do in the NFL.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 5, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
well...clausen was only rated highly by Mel Kiper...
Luck is unanimously the top pick…
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
That’s not true, and regardless, my point still stands.
by SlayerGhaleon on Jan 5, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Because he told you this last time y'all were chillin?
I think he is capable of critical thinking and developing his own opinions.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Supposes we don't get Lucky.....
So we all (mostly) agree that Luck is at least the safest prospect, what if he decides to stay in Stanford (for the sake of argument, bold magic 8-ball not withstanding)? Who then do we draft, or what picks do we trade down to get? We still need a QB like a monkey needs a banana. Do we follow the ‘experts’ and take Grabbart (sp?) or roll the dice on Newton? No one argues Cam’s athleticism but there definitely seems to be a risk factor. Do we continue to suffer the woes of a QB-less team and try to be rock solid in every other aspect?
AJ Green
sign a FA quarterback and let him and Jimmy Clausen battle it out in Camp.
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
+1
I’m all about making Jimmy earn it next year against a vet.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you think he could? he couldn't "earn it" this year, when there WASN'T any competition.
When Moore was first benched, Clausen lost it back quickly, then when there was nobody else, and he was only competing against the scepter of Luck, he flopped again.
*spector
I don’t think we should bring Luck’s pimp cane into the equation
Let’s just leave Luck out of it, he’s the better QB, but I’m of the opinion we should at least try to keep him in reserve for awhile to adjust (not starting day one). I was saying we bring in a FA vet QB and have a competition between him and JC for starter. Maybe JC improves over the offseason, maybe he sinks, nothing wrong with a competition.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the correction. I had a back-of-the-neck feeling I'd said that wrong.
But actually, it should have read “specter,” a terrifying ghost.
Phil Spector wasn’t on my mind, either.
ouch
failed spelling in a spelling correction. Call me Jeff Davidson
But you have to admit...
The Scepter of Luck is an epic name for it…
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We won't draft Cam Newton.
He goes against everything that Jerry Richardson stands for. The whole cheating incident at Florida and the “pay for play” scandal at Auburn are things that Richardson would not draft him for, regardless of how talented he may or may not be.
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and stealing the laptop
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Kordell Stewart just ranked us as the worst Job open..He said he would not want to go to Carolina…What does he know again? He was a half ass QB to begin with
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...since kordell stewart was so good
didn’t he get run out of town by Tommy Maddox?
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
hey now...
Tommy Maddox is the first and only MVP of the XFL, so you better watch yo’ mouth… :-)
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When did Kordell Stewart become an analyst?
The only thing he was ever good for was having that gay ass “slash” nickname.
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And who's the foo who even asked the doofus his "opinion"?
Seems like he’d be low down the ladder of experts to ask.
Kordell Stewart's last job was 'Pros vs. Joes'
Not sure I trust his judgement of what a ‘good job’ is.
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by James Dator on Jan 5, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Way to go out on a limb Kordell, the team with the worst record is the worst job open. How did he ever make that conclusion? Must have been days of research.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
I’d much rather work for the juggernaut that is the Cleveland Browns.
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At the same time...
What is it with all these loud mouth, has-been Pittsburgh Steelers all flapping all the damn time?
Terry Bradshaw, Jerome Bettis and now Kordell Stewart?
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hate terry bradshaw
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
He was great.........
In Cannonball Run. Lol.
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Well, to be fair...
Bradshaw and Bettis weren’t too far off with their statements…
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Nostradamus got a few right too
Not difficult when you make 40 predictions a week, then hang your hat on the 2-3 that come true
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lol true
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WTF!!!!
- Oakland
- San Francisco
- Cleveland
- Denver
- Carolina
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Cleveland?
Things are just started to look up there. Hillis is a beast, they beat the Pats this year, and McCoy looks like he could be a real QB.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Oakland is, and always will be, the worst job opening. At least until Al Davis finally dies again, hopefully for the last time.
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I wouldn’t want to sell popcorn at Oakland. Ask Tom Cable what an awesome job that is.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously...
The guy goes 8-8, 6-0 in the division, the first non 10+ loss season since 2002 (I think, but could be wrong on that) and he still gets fired….
I know Al’s motto has always been “Just win, baby.”, but Cable did that this year, at least when compared to the previous 8 years, and he still got canned. Makes no sense.
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I thought he should have been fired.
But back when he punched an assistant. Don’t keep him through that and then fire him after your best season in 7 years.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
I totally agree.
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hahaha OAKLAND!!!! ahahahhahahaha
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
My rankings...
1. Carolina
1a. San Francisco
3. Denver
4. Cleveland
32. Oakland
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i'd agree with that right there
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I could see swapping Cleveland and Denver if the Browns division wasn’t so tough. I think they are better team just have harder division
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That was my thinking too.
San Francisco is actually a good job. They’re like us — good players but need a QB and maybe one or two other pieces to be contenders.
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And an HC job up in the air. They’re a very similar team to us right now.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
on the flipside, one downside of Carolina is the division
It guarantees you aren’t a big fish in a small pond IE Seattle, but its also going to be an extremely difficult place to justify yourself as a quality head coach. 3-5 is excellent against our division opponents, but it will probably still get you fired in 3 years tops.
Mine... while we're at it
1. San Francisco (because they’re willing to offer full control, every coach wants that)
2. Carolina
3. Cleveland
4. Denver
5. Oakland
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That's why I said 1a....
I have to keep my homeristic bias in place, lol.
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LOL
I like Cleveland better than Denver too.
Denver has more toys to play with, but those toys are intended for a playhouse that isn’t there anymore (McDaniels’). I feel Cleveland’s talent can be plugged into another scheme far better
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James makes sense looking at it from a HC eyes though. SF basically giving away keys to the castle makes them attractive.
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having the #1 pick and almost no commitment to any players is also appealing (looking at carolina)
Look at all the FAs that might not be back, all the cap space, the #1 pick. A coach can bring in whatever system he wants here with relative ease because there is so much potential turnover after offing all the vets last year
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
im hoping Andrew Luck will make us a more attractive FA destination.
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no where to go but up really
with all of the free-agent purging we’ve done recently, i can’t imagine our stock is very hight with other FA’s
It's going to be less about Luck and more about how the team performs/ who the coach is
Tom Brady isn’t the reason people want to play for the Pats… Bill Belichich is
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True but i was talking this offseason. Id be more siked to go in with Luck as the future QB then Clausen.
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This year FA’s will have to sign on what they see the potential of this team being and what it could become. Luck makes it much more attractive then Clausen after the struggles he has had. Don’t see defenders wanting to come here knowing how much they will be on the field or linemen wanting to block for a guy who can’t throw over there helmets
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I think you ranked Oakland too high
There are colleges, high schools, lemon-aid stands, and brothels that are better opportunities than the Raiders.
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What job opening is available at the brothel? It does make a difference. :-)
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Compared with Oakland
I think assistant jizz mopper is more attractive than working for Al Davis.
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LOL!
The “assistant” part cracked me up. Well played.
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Ummm, no it isn't!
I don’t know about you, but I’d take a job with Al Davis over that ANY day of the week
Sounds like he was talking out HC openings, not QB destinations.
In which case, who cares?
Brian Baker just got hired
Former Panthers DL coach now DL/ Assistant head coach at UNC under Butch Davis
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SCHWEEEEET
LOVE MY TAR HEELS MAN!!!!!
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Good for him.
I was hoping we could bring him back, but oh well. I’m glad he found a job somewhere though. He’s a hell of a coach.
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Darin Gantt
Just got off phone with Brian Baker. Was confident he could have found DL job in NFL, but aspires to college HC job one day.
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
Gantt said on TBL yesterday
that he felt Baker had that “it” factor it takes to be a head coach. Good to see him working towards his goals.
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by John Chilton on Jan 5, 2011 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Talking about Panthers and Luck…Talking about Peyton Manning how he was going to declare and go to the Jets but didn’t and ended up with the Colts and impact it has had on both franchises…God i hope this kid declares.
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It is scary, but don't worry too much
Difference was that Tennessee hadn’t won a BCS game, Peyton wanted to and that Phillip Fulmer was still there.
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I don't think Luck will be able to accomplish anything more at Stanford
Unless he wants a Heisman.
They went 12-1 and won a BCS game. There’s not much more they can accomplish.
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He can still do that in the Pros
And he won’t even have to force them like Big Ben did.
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The only two he can't do in Carolina is Heisman and National Champ.
You can go back to school in the offseason and graduate, and you can bang hot college chicks until your dick falls off (just ask Favre).
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LOL touche
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And re: banging hot college chicks...
Being and NFL quarterback who’s worth upwards of $40M makes it much easier to accomplish that goal.
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Actually...
I was going to say that from a college girl’s perspective, a college QB is almost as appealing – at that point it’s the local status thing, I guess. College QBs still probably get more than their fair share of the fun. =)
National championship too...
But without Harbaugh, Beeler, Whalen or Marecic there is no way in hell they’re getting close to that.
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There is no assurance that any of those guys leaving.
If Luck decides to stay, who knows, maybe they have a change of heart and stay?
took the words right out of my mouth
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Would love marciec in the 3rd
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by MikeTrain on Jan 5, 2011 11:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why??
He doesn’t fill any needs we have. LB corps is deep and Fiametta looks like the guy at FB. Love the guy, but it’d just be a waste of a pick
Because he's freaking awesome.
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Fiammetta did little to keep his spot. Blocking was very spotty, at best.
Maricek has heart, and loves to hit people – Fiammetta, not so much.
yeah,
I wasn’t sold on Fiammetta this season, that spot is up for grabs in my mind.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
That guy is nuts! Hardly leave the field, true iron man style football player.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I love the kid
Reeks of ‘New England Patriot’ to me… he’s just a football player, pure and simple. I love those guys
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It’s spelled Marecic I guess. Their other LB Skov was good too.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Skov was everywhere in that game. He had a fairly decent season but he deffiantly elevated his stock with that game. Every 5 mins they were calling his name
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Skov's still a true soph, isn't he?
Mark him for the future. Animal.
#48 - put in about 70+ plays, didn't he?
Helluva player.
Kid has one hell of a motor. He wasn’t playing fluff positions either
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He had two touchdowns in 13 seconds once. Back to back snaps. Goal line dive on offense, and a pick six after the kickoff.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly think that's the reason people even know who he is...
If not for that play, he’s the unknown guy at Stanford who’s weird because he plays both FB and LB.
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Watching the game I was just calling him Brock Sampson all night
Would not want to line up across from this guy.
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haha nice
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Also, unless you believe Tim Kawakami is COMPLETELY off base
Harbaugh is gone to San Fran.
For a brief recap:
He said at 3 pm yesterday Baalke would be hired as GM later that night (DING DING DING)
He said Perry Fewell and other candidates that satisfied the Rooney rule would be in today (DING DING DING)
He said Harbaugh and Baalke would have a joint press conference Thursday
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Erl, you are absolutely insane.. Luck over any qb?
Some people get wayyyyyyyy too enamored with potential. In sports how many potential legends fail? Would much rather have a proven than an unknown any day
Also, I really think luck is partly a product of Jim. He schemed amazingly vs Va tech and made it easy for luck to find wide open guys. Honestly luck looked good, great, but he didnt have to do much. Jim is a genius. First time I’ve noticed how much it’s Jim compared to Luck
Btw Brees, favre, Brady. What do they have in common? All potential hall of famers who weren’t even 1st round picks. We had an undrafted bum lead us to a SB. We are lucky we aren’t in a SF or BUF state where we could actually leverage luck bc we don’t need him as much. I’m sorry but if SF offers firsts and Davis/ Willis any sane GM takes it. Harbough might be that crazy
GSO
by MikeTrain on Jan 5, 2011 11:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I am not saying that JC is the answer
And still advocate luck as #1, but IMO aj green is the most “talented” player by far
GSO
by MikeTrain on Jan 5, 2011 11:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Just reading nfl site, live (kinda) chat & saw this
travis, benton pa12:07 PM ET
jason do you think the redskins will trade up to land qb luck or do you think there will be a good qb at pick 10 that shanahan likes thank you Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
If Luck comes out aint no way the Panthers are trading the pick
I have a bad feeling about all of this
I really didnt see anything eye popping with Luck in that bowl game. I have a feeling Luck is going to be a bust. It will be just like the Panthers to draft a hyped up guy only to see him turn out to be terrible.
"You run plays to get open. If you're open, and you don't shoot, what's the point of running the play?" - Coach Paul Silas of the Charlotte Bobcats
They really have no choice if he declares.
You have to rely on the popular view and his seems to be the best in 15 years or so. There is risk with any draft but you go with the perceived best/most needed player.
Nah, nothing special in throwing 4 TD passes against a Top-20 defense.
That and the completion % of way over 70 are about average for him.
Like a 240 average bowler rolling a 256. Not perfect, so not eye-popping.
MikeTrain I concur.......
Doesn’t matter if we take him or not, Carolina would be better off dealing the pick in my opinion…unless you bring in a offensive HC that will use the potential correctly.
Here is another q & a from the nfl chat.
Tom Mitchell, Windsor, CT12:26 PM ET
Who is the current front runner for the head coaching gig in Carolina? Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
Right now I wouldnt say there is one. They’re just starting the process and interviewing a lot of defensive assistants … Some of whom I believe would ultimately more be considered for a coordinator spot than the actual head coaching gig. I get the feeling the Panthers have some kind of trick up their sleeve, just cant figure out what it may be
yeah no clue about this guy and his track record
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Jason La Canfora covered sports for the Washington Post for 10 years, including five seasons on the Redskins beat. He worked previously at the Detroit Free Press and Baltimore Sun. In addition to blogging and writing for NFL.com, he appears on NFL Network shows including Total Access and NFL GameDay.
That’s his bio but doesn’t tell how much BS he spits
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
At NFL Network, he's considered their "insider."
Keeps his ear to the ground pretty well, and doesn’t prognosticate too much, just relays what he hears from his sources.
He's pretty good most of the time.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
other then Harbaugh what could said trick be?
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Brian Schottenheimer
Remember guys, we can’t talk to assistant coaches until two things occur:
a) their team is out of the playoffs
b) their team gives us permission to talk to them
There are a lot of good coordinators whose teams are in the playoffs.
- Brian Schottenheimer, OC Jets
- Sean McDermott, DC Eagles
Those are two right there who could be considered “tricks up JR’s sleeve” because no one in the media is mentioning them being tied to us.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
By then we’ll know Luck’s intentions too, making it more attractive for any canidate.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
We’ll know Luck’s intentions shortly after Harbaugh’s. Which could be as early as this week.
Hopefully.
I believe Jan. 15th is the deadline for him to declare, so it’s not long either way.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I believe the trick is thus:
They want an offensive minded HC currently in the playoffs which could entail a lot of guys.
The guys they’re interviewing Manusky, Fewell, Rivera are all DCs in tenuous job positions. Norv Turner could be gone so could Rivera, Manusky will be if Harbaugh is hired and Fewell is hanging on in NY only as long as Coughlin is.
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I hope so because i really don’t want the guys we are interviewing to be our HC. DC is a different story
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I think Fewell is the Rooney Rule interview.
Rivera could be our DC possibly, but I think the Fewell interview is just so we can say we interviewed a black man to avoid any bitching by Tony Dungy on the issue of race and head coaching interviews. I know Rivera is hispanic, but that seems to not matter when these sort of things come up.
(And everyone, please don’t take this as a racist comment, because it’s not. It’s undeniable that Dungy gets on his soap box every offseason about this very issue.)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
yeah but Rivera would fulfill Rooney rule as well. More about Minority then race. Although it does seem more like a black thing but mostly because theres more minority black coaches then hispanic or anything other ethnicity
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I think they already are...
Something about a Weapons of Mass Destruction accusation…
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Sounds like it really could be Shottenheimer
they’re interviewing DC candidates first and they’ll go after Shottenheimer once the Jets are out of the playoffs
I mentioned on the radio show last night to be on the lookout for Sean McDermott...
I know you, for one, would be excited if we hired him paydirt.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I know you love him BW
I think he’s great too… but if they wanted him you would think they’d be interviewing offensive coordinators now.
The categoric denial of Russ Grimm tells me they have an offensive guy pegged.
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I think McDermott could be the backup plan...
You never know… Schottenheimer could say thanks, but no thanks. I doubt it, but nothing’s impossible.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I absolutely would be.
but first and foremost I’m really hoping for an offensive minded head coach, especially if we land Luck.
But I certainly wouldn’t be disapointed with McDermott.
I like him too
Sure he may not have a ton of experience as a coordinator, but he knows the Jim Johnson way, and its either you’ve got what it takes to be a HC, or you don’t. plus, the experience factor is becoming less and less important.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Hey...
Remember when I said they could be considering Manusky for DC, not HC?
/shock
/horror
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Ok here is another 1.
Evan Cottle, Parkersburg, WV12:32 PM ET
What’s the future for the panthers look like in your opinion? They’ve always been an up and down on or off inconsistent team. Jerry Richardson is making a lot of changes. Who do you think would fit well in a HC position for them? Jason La Canfora, NFL Network
If Andrew Luck comes out and the Panthers keep that pick then I feel awful good about the direction of that franchise
I seem to be one of the only fans not on the Luck bandwagon. It's weird.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
There's plenty of time for you to hop on board. :-)
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
It's just the lack of velocity in his throws terrifies me.
I didn’t like how he had all day to throw – but after someone compared him to Rich Gannon on steroids I hit youtube for an hour or so. He’s not pressured very often, but he DOES actually do a nice job of avoiding it when it comes. So I’m happier about that. But yeah, can’t get over how little zip he has on his throws.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I forget which 1 but 1 of the commentators, or maybe it was some1 on espn, said he saw Luck throw a ball once that knocked a receiver backwards.
or maybe it was some1 on espn, said he saw Luck throw a ball once that was so powerful it knocked a receiver backwards.
I haven't seen it when I've seen him play live, or on highlights.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
That's another reason I think Luck declares...
He has a chance to be a trail blazer and a franchise changer for us. He could, potentially, be the greatest QB in franchise history for a long time. Not many college kids have that opportunity.
Think about how Broncos fans feel about Elway. Think about how Packers fans felt about Favre until he went to the Jets. Think about how 49ers fans feel about Montana. Think about how Dolphins fans feel about Marino.
Andrew Luck has the potential chance to make people say in 40 years…
Think about how Panthers fans feel about Andrew Luck.
It’s a hard deal to pass up.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Not as 1st rounders, but as 2nd and 3rd rounders, respectively.
He wasn’t talking about how these guys were viewed coming out of college, but rather how these fans bases look back at their QBs’ legacies.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I honestly don't think he has a Twitter account...
I’ve looked for him, but he doesn’t have an “official” account, yet.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
Try facebook, MySpace, Special Delivery, FedEx, the Yellow Pages then.
Too important that you inform him of your sentiments to just let it go.
I forgot what I was going to say
So, I’ll just say. If Luck doesn’t declare, maybe we can bring back 75 year old Vinnie Testaverde and sign that Pepsi Machine from a few years back to protect his blind side. I could help Clausen with a resume for a bad-mitten team and leave out the fact that most of his volleys wont clear the net…I’m soft hearted that way.
I know you're joking
But after what DWill said about how much he learned about being a pro football player from Testaverde I would love to have him be part of our organization. Not as a QB, but a trainer or some sort of player development specialist (not sure if there is such a job, but he would be good for it).
If God came down on Christmas Day/ I know exactly what He'd say/ He'd say "Oi!" to the punks/ and "Oi!" to the skins/ but "Oi!" to the world and everybody wins.
-The Vandals
I agree totally
Testaverde may not have been a GREAT qb, but he was definitely a smart one and I think he would be a great mentor to these younger players.
Hard Knocks here we come!!!!..has the team been decided already? Panthers could be attractive with right coach and Luck. Doubt big cat ever allow it though
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
wouldn’t be shocked if the 49ers end up being the team picked this year if Harbaugh ends up there
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Harbaugh doesn’t seem to like the media in his business.
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
its a little different. Nobody likes to talk about potential jobs while they still have one. Be like talking about your future wife while still married to your ex.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Is that not ok? That would explain why she’s so pissed…
by SDcarolinafan on Jan 5, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
yeah they tend to frown upon that
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I'm not in favor of moving to a 3-4
Do you think Jurnison is taking that into account? Would a candidate (for HC or DC) be less desirable to them if they use a 3-4? I’d like to think so, considering the fact that essentially all of our ’front 7" personnel is no suited for it.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Jurnison.... I like that.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I thought you might.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
I would be a-freakin-okay with Schottenheimer as HC and Ryan as DC
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In the sense that: I don't like interviewing potential coordinators before you have the HC in place.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
On the other hand,
They may need to be able to tell a head coach, this is who will be working with you if you take this job, do you want it? Remember they said in the press conference that this time it would be more about the team than the coach.
You make a very good point.
"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." ~ David Foster Wallace
I don’t think Brian would have a problem being HC if Rob was DC considering he works for his twin now. They are basically the same guy same system same personality.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
I agree.
Coach needs to put his own staff together.
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by ALAC on Jan 5, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NO ROB RYAN AS HC
Maybe as DC…but no freakin way as HC
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
It looks like that is the idea.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
On the defense
Did you guys notice the hybrid defenses we were running this year. We actually lined up in a 3-4 and some other configurations I couldn’t descride. I think we have the right talent on this team to run a 3-4. We just need the nose tackle and an end. Norwood, Hardy, and Everette have the build and skills to be great pass rushers from a standing position.
that wasnt a 3-4
on third and long we’d only rush three in our dime package.
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 5, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
There was no hybrid, we just had a nasty tendency to rush three in our dime package.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
You might be talking about when Hardy would stand up and rush the 'A-gaps'
But yeah, when there were only three down rushers we were in nickel or dime.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 5, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Ouch!
RealSkipBayless
Ryan Mallet has size, arm – but not sold on football brains, feel, play-making, NFL potential. Too much Clausen in him. Knile Davis: yes!
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I'd love to get paid to talk shit. Where do I sign up?
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Personally
You have to take him. There isn’t any possible price that a team would be willing to give up. Three first rounders won’t happen, and he said that would have to be the starting point.
Go Panthers
I see the Titans are going to trade V. Y.
I wonder what they would want for him, he would be good to play while Luck developes.
No need to worry about it...
If they can’t trade him, they will release him. If we wanted him (and I don’t think we do, but assuming we did) all we would have to do is wait until he’s released and sign him.
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Mel Kiper Chat....
Roland (Indiana)
If A. Luck gets drafted by the Panthers do you think he’ll pull an Eli Elway?
Mel Kiper
The Panthers have had a good run in their short time in the NFL. They have been competitive and they’ve been to the SB. Many teams that have been in the league longer haven’t been to the SB. They are in a QB strong division. The NFC South has, Brees, Ryan and Freeman. To me Luck is Peyton Manning with more mobility. If you’re Luck, I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to go to Carolina.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
C'mon Mel.
He’s the best QB of a generation with MORE mobility? Let’s not hype the kid up too much or anything.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
I think he's comparing him to Manning when Manning was at Tennessee.
And I think that comparison is very reasonable. C’mon hammy, there’s too many moles to whack.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Mel tends to exaggerate a bit. He LOVED Clausen. I posted it more for the fact he spoke of Carolina in a positive light
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Thank you for posting.
It is so good to see someone (even if it’s Kiper) say something good about Carolina. It’s like a lot of the arguments we’ve made on here – lots of strong QB competition in the NFC South we’ve accomplished a lot (including a SB appearance) for such a young franchise.
Not really.
It’s the #1 pick and people are going WAY over board on the guy.
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I can't agree
What benefit does every scout in the country stand to gain from hyping him up? They are doing their jobs. Don’t you understand that they prefer to dissect a kid to pieces and find all his flaws over praising him all day.
I think you just have your guy already. Unfortunately, our GM and whoever else is going to make the decision does not.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
I hate that assumption.
I don’t ‘have my guy’ at all. I’d just like to see more from Luck.
You’re also wrong about scouts wanting to dissect a kid to pieces. They actually love to drool over Top 5 prospects.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
But why are they top 5 prospects to begin with
Were their names drawn from a hat?
And I’m not so sure about the scouts. They put far more on the line, professionally, if they say someone is great and they turn out not to be.
You want to see more of him? I respect that, but we don’t have the luxury. His college career is likely over. Have you seen any of his games outside of the Orange Bowl? I think you can go to ESPN3 (or 360 or whatever the hell it is) and watch a half dozen more from this season.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
I've seen him play 4 times now. He's never wowed me.
And yes, the consensus top 5 are stand out players in college (generally), but scouts get themselves whipped up into frenzies about them. They often over look important factors because it’s a weakness that isn’t exploited in college.
I also really dislike anonymous scouts coming out and saying things about prospects. If you have an opinion, put your name to it.
"Nah, you look like Elijah Wood." - danmerqury
Won't argue with your last statement.
In my lifetime (I’m 30), I’ve never heard everyone, and I can’t stress it enough that everyone who is asked about the kid says the same things.
Plus, If the throw in the second half where he eluded several rushers, scrambled right, and threw a perfect ball to the sideline, over a LB, on the run, with a guy hanging on him doesn’t wow you, then I consider you un-wowable.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
by ERL on Jan 6, 2011 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Finally, an analyst that doesn't base our franchise off of just this year.
I don’t agree with Mel on a lot of things, but at least he has enough sense to look at a Panthers past to realize we aren’t a crappy franchise. The same can’t be said about the majority of the media members that don’t follow the Panthers.
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