Nick Fairley #1 overall to the Carolina Panthers? Mel Kiper thinks so.
by James Dator on Jan 19, 2011 11:36 AM EST
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In Mel Kiper's mock draft version 1.0 he has the Carolina Panthers taking Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley with the #1 overall pick.
In so many ways Fairley makes the most sense with the #1 overall pick. While he doesn't address the abysmal offensive side of the ball, he does add a potential impact player to anchor the defensive line. I'm not sure the Warren Sapp comparisons are warranted quite yet, but from seeing the National Championship game, in addition to seeing Fairley in other performances he does look like he can be an impact player.
As it stands there is no true BPA in this draft with many scouts having AJ Green, Fairley and Bowers with the same grade. Of course, this wont last very long as it's likely the draft will stratify greatly once the pro-days and combine occurs.
For now though, it appears that many think Nick Fairley is the concensus #1 overall pick.
YEAR TOT SOLO AST SACK STF STFY FF BK INT YDS AVG LNG TD PD
2009 28 14 14 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2010 56 32 24 12 0 0 0 0 1 -1 -1.0 0 0 0
From ESPN here's first few tops in Kiper's V1.0 2011 draft:
The No. 1 overall player on the Big Board, and one who can pay immediate dividends. Fairley isn't just a safe pick because of his excellent burst, violent hand action and ability to effectively penetrate and be a constant nuisance against both the run and pass; he also has the chance to be a dominant player regardless of system. Detroit and Tampa Bay drafted the top defensive tackles at Nos. 2 and 3 last year. Carolina should start earlier in 2011. A slight mean streak in a DT isn't the worst trait. Even Ndamukong Suh showed a bit of one this season.
Denver CB Champ Bailey is a future Hall of Famer, but he's a free agent entering his 13th NFL season and Peterson has the physical skills to be an immediate starter in the secondary and a force in the return game. Denver has enough needs where it could go several directions with this pick, but getting the best size-speed combo in the draft, a guy who can help immediately, is a smart play. Simply an electrifying talent.
Buffalo has started to assemble the pieces for its 3-4 defense and Dareus has outstanding pass-rush skills and fits as a defensive end in the system. This is too early to take an offensive tackle in terms of value, but it's a good opportunity to land an ideal fit if the Bills don't want to trade down. I'm sure some Bills fans would clamor for a guy like A.J. Green in this spot, but after 2010 the Bills simply have to address the lines, and the development of Stevie Johnson limits the receiver need anyway.
Rookie Carlos Dunlap came on late for the Bengals and finished with 9.5 sacks, but the chance to draft the best pure pass-rusher on the board and immediately have in place a more formidable pass rush is too much to pass up. Bowers has the skill-set, explosiveness and relentless pass-rushing skills of a No. 1 overall pick. He's a good value, even at No. 4.
The Cardinals were a mess at quarterback in 2010, and while Max Hall and John Skelton showed glimpses, both are projects, and there's no real solution in place for next season outside of a trade. Gabbert will be under the microscope during the testing process perhaps more than any other player, but at this stage he's the most NFL-ready QB in the draft. Arizona is in a tough spot: If the Cardinals pass on Gabbert, there won't be a QB who can do more for them sooner than Skelton or Hall later in the draft. Gabbert offers a strong arm, protoype size, reads the game well and has a lot of upside.
The Browns need a No.1 wideout and Green has fit the profile since he landed between the hedges at Georgia. Green is a complete package, with size, speed and solid route-running skills, and he will be the best friend of a young quarterback as a player that's able to go up and take the ball away. Cleveland has some good pieces, and Green is exactly what Colt McCoy needs.
It's an understatement to say that Quinn will be fresh. After sitting out his entire junior year at Chapel Hill, it's a testament to Quinn's talent that he's this high on the draft board. And make no mistake -- scouts think extremely highly of Quinn. If his preparations for the draft process are up to par, at this spot he offers the Niners a pure pass-rusher at defensive end that can only be matched by Bowers.
Miller has the reputation of a big-time sack artist but his game is more diversified than he gets credit for. What Miller brings in Week 1 is a great third-down option. A gifted edge-rusher, he can get to the quarterback, but you can also mix it up and drop him into zone coverage, where he has speed and developing awareness at the position. A solid tackler, Miller will only get better in the 4-3 system as he adjusts to the NFL game.
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I dont think he is worth the first pick. If he had stayed one more season and proven he can get those big numbers I would say yes he’s a great pick. After one good season can we guarantee he will put up big numbers in the NFL. I think he will be a good NFl player but will need time to progress,he will have to hight of expectations.
After I made my post about the downsides of him, I started to watch the 2009 game film. He seemed to only try when he was motivated.
When comapred to past drafts none of the prospects in this draft are #1 picks
But somebody has to go #1 whether they are worth it or not. As much as I like Green how many touches is he going to get per season versus plays for a potential 3 down DT? If ‘Impact’ is part of the criteria for making the #1 selection then the top DT in pool has to be a front runner for a team that needs two! Just saying…
I dunno...
I think all the luck hype just made it seem like this draft is different, but really all it did was skew our vision of the whole process. This draft is turning out like many of the recent ones (except last year; it was pretty obvious who STL was going for), where we won’t know whose going where until about a month prior, and even then there’s usually a little wiggle room in the speculation.
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But Fairley wasn’t 3 down DT in college. I am afraid of that pick to be honest. We should avoid ‘one year wonder’ with #1 pick.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 19, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
sry for double post.
He played maximum 70% of defensive snaps in BCSC game.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 19, 2011 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't expect any lineman to play an entire game agaisnt Oregon
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
true.
But still was way too much at sidelines in that game. Just my 2 cents. I hope if we draft him he become a beast in the middle for next 10 years in Panthers uniform.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
a fair concern...
guess we’ll have to just wait and see
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
although with my sister converting everyone in the fam to auburn fans this year, got to watch most of their games; the dude definitely brought it all year, and ESPECIALLY in the big games…I think that helps his stock more than anything.
Just watching the UGA, LSU, and Bama games alone gives a good idea of the kid’s potential (the BCS game was good but…oregon definitely let him run through scott free on a lot of those plays)
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
You're forgetting one thing though Jaxon...
A WR doesn’t need to touch the ball but 5 times in order to completely change the outcome of a game.
A DT has to be more consistent as well as play more often, in those terms.
I can see both arguments
I would counter that the WR still relies on a QB in order to get those 5 touches… without the QB even the best WR can’t change the outcome of a game.
The DT relies on nobody, they can change the game without the assistance of anyone else.
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Exactly! This!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
+1 Agreed with a weak ass draft we have this year
Basically this year’s upcoming draft class compared to last year’s well it is a true F-ing joke. 2011 class lacks alot of NFL ready talent and while Fairley is a good DT still not up to the quality of G. Mccoy with the Bucs or Suh of the Lions the Panthers need to make the popular pick and stay in the backyard and take AJ Green WR Georgia ! AJ Green is the most NFL ready of any player in this draft and taking a DT #1 Overall you have to make sure he is not just a good one but a future Pro Bowl type similar to when the Panthers took J. Peppers #2 Overall.
AJ Green is my pick plus he killed Peterson in that GA vs LSU game and that should make his draft status better than Peterson’s in my book.
Panthers love homegrown talent and AJ Green is from SC and the Panthers need him badly b.c. Smitty is getting no younger, and I would love to trade smitty to get our second rounder back or at-least a 3rd.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 19, 2011 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I know we need a DT, but to me i believe Aj Green is the safest pick here
I know it doesn’t make sense as we have 2 upcoming receivers and a true #1 in Steve Smith, still you can never be too safe. Look at Baltimore, they have Mason, Boldin, Hoz, and Stallworth and still all of them couldn’t produce when they were needed for the divisional game. It’s just a matter of time before Steve Smith becomes a distraction and would want out as it seems like he doesn’t Like Jimmy Clausen. I just hope they make the best decision for the team.
by panthertillidrop on Jan 19, 2011 11:46 AM EST reply actions
Oh you mean Kiper's 6th overall?
The guys already dropping and we haven’t even gotten to the combine yet… Ok, I know Kiper is just one very debatable opinion.
But I think you answered your own question when you said “still you can never be too safe”. Well I think taking Green IS being too safe. Especially when it comes at the expense of our biggest area of need, DT, with a very highly touted DT sitting there.
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Dropping in the mock draft
has more to do with what experts think team are going to do.
Nick Fairley is one year wonder who will be compiling penalties for unnecessary roughness in his first year. I would rather take a shot at a Marvin Austin or a Jarvis Jenkins in the 3rd in what is a very deep DT class.
Can you also walk on water?
I assume so since you have this superior knowledge of the future
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by southtunnel on Jan 20, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Forgive the rhetoric
But I see plenty of people speculating. “If we could only get Fairley in the middle with Johnson and Hardy coming of the sides….oh DROOL!”
My point still stands. He is a risk at #1 and we can find a pretty good DT prospect in round 3 in this draft.
I don't see him as a risk, per se.
The point you make that is more convincing is…‘can we find a guy almost as good in the third round?’
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
That's your take
My crystal ball is telling me he’s a future All-pro (the crystal ball technically belongs to Mrs Cleo). But I asked what the future held for Fairley last time I was gettin’ my tarot on.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
wouldn't be disapointed in this pick....but....
Our D was better that alot of people realize it was last year and the reason they got worked some games was due to spending 3/4 of the game on the field while our offense went 3 and out over and over again…we can fill the DT holes through free agency and i feel we should draft AJ Green to help with the offense which as we all know was ranked dead last this year…but either way i would not be disapointed…hell i’d even be happy still with Patrick Peterson for that matter
The thing is part of the lies on the defense too
It’s their job to get themselves off the field. The offense certainly didn’t do them any favors, but there were many times this year where they would get into 3rd and 6+ situations only to give up the first down. I would be interested to see the ratio of stops to first downs allowed by the various defenses. Basically, a better defense would shut down a drive in fewer downs than a worse defense.
Our D was "better that alot of people realize"
This is exactly why we need to take Fairley. Because we have the potential to be GREAT on defense. The offense will be a work in progress whether we take Green or not. So don’t waste that pick on a piece that could push our D from underrated good, to great.
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The main problem I have with that.
Is we can add a piece to our D to make it great without taking Fairley. However we can’t really find a sure fire heir to Smitty without taking Green.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Smitty isn't the King of England...
Why does he need an “heir”?
We have LaFell and Gettis already. I’d rather take a DT than add yet another receiver that we already have a decent young corps of.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
The Combine will tell us who deserves to be the #1 pick
You can quote that!!!!
Imo, combine is (greatly) overrated. Many busts in recent years have great day at combine.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 19, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Yep
Most good scouts don’t rely on the Combine results. They only look at all of the film they can get their hands on.
Except for the 40.
Scouts really look at the 40 yard dash for the skill positions. I mean if Green runs in the low 4.4’s or especially the high 4.3’s his stock might go even higher.
We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. ~ Vince Lombardi
by ThePanthers! on Jan 19, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
yes they factor it in
But not as much as everyone is thinking. The only exception is Al Davis, who bases his decision on the 40 time.
that isnt always the case…college tape helps but its still college it doesn’t always translate in the NFL. Id be happy with Fairley since we haven’t had a stud DT since Jenkins left town but i wouldn’t be upset if we just traded back and got back in the 2nd round.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 19, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of 2nd rounders...
it’s where we got Jenkins in the first place :)
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’d like to think we could get back in the 2nd round and get Marvin Austin or someone similar to him and take Green 1st but again i’m open to anyone reallt…hell after the combine Blane Gabbert could wind up an option you just never know
Pat Yasinskas said something similar..Kiper has Arizona taking Gabbert 5th and with a good combine and interview he could move up even more. Me personally im not sold but im not a “expert” either. I don’t know much about the kid just that on tape he looks average at best. Id think it would be a big reach
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 19, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
I really, truly do not get the Gabbert thing at all.
There are plenty of guys with just as much arm strength and similar size out there – and they have better statistics. I’m obviously not an expert either, but based on what I’ve seen, I wouldn’t take the guy until at least the 4th round. Colt McCoy – “winningest” QB in college football didn’t go until the 3rd round. McCoy > Gabbert to the nth degree.
no thanks
If this year comes and goes and we end next season saying “well shit, we need to commit to a new future prospect” then we can draft a 1st round QB. This year though, we need a vet (or two) playing with JC and seeing if he was a victim of circumstance or just overrated….
Trading back and ending up with Marv in the 2nd (some say third but I don’t think he’ll slip that far) would be awesome
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I hope Gabbert kills at the Combine.
If he can make himself the sliced bread of the draft it would allow Carolina to trade back with reasonable compensation. Right now I don’t think a trade down will be an option.
If we could trade back a few slots I would be happy with Green, Fairley, Peterson, Bowers, Amukamara, or Darius. Any of these would help immediately and we would get at least a second round pick this year.
I'm hoping Cincy or Washington is watching very closely
or Arizona for that matter; definitely got some possible trade partners there
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
AJ Green,
won’t pass Bengals at #4. So trading down and drafting AJ is not possibility.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 19, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
You would be surprised.
Having good stats certainly helps buts its not the sole biggest thing, its a combination of a lot things the interviews, the players character, work ethic, things like that add up.
Toby Gerhart was going to be a FB in the NFL until he ran a 4.53 40 time at the combine, and Gerhart had 1100 and 1700 yard seasons in college and won the Doak Walker and was an All-American that last season.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it will.
Every year, players vault up in the draft while others plummet down based on their combine showing.
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I'm leaning toward Fairley at the moment...
He’s just been so freaking nasty and disruptive from what I’ve seen of him. Big guy and surprisingly fast. Seriously – imagine a line consisting of C. Johnson, Fairley, and Hardy (and Landri or some better dude in FA). That would be a scary line. And I could see him blocking/deflecting a lot of passes at the line of scrimmage and blocking/deflecting FGs and point afters. And I could see him being a force on ST coverage – Senn, Hardy, Fairly…possibility for some good stuff there.
But the Combine could change things. I don’t think I’d be disappointed by Green either.
I know our offense sucks, but if we get Green and lose Smith (which is looking like a good possibility), I want someone with more than 1-3 years under the belt at WR. Gettis, LaFell, and Green would be a heck of a lot of extreme youth at the position. Gettis and LaFell certainly learned a lot, but they’re still in the developmental stage…as Green would be. Really, whether we pick Green or not, and whether Smitty stays or goes, I think we need a good FA WR coming off of his rookie contract – still young, but has more experience under the belt (but I’d forget about a FA WR if Clowney, Wright, or Martin stay and could prove themselves).
he got some hops lol
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 19, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
This is also how he sacks QBs by the way
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I have that loop i think
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
Nope I have his verison of the "Suhslam"
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
It seems like every analyst's board changes five times a day.
Kiper may have Fairley #1 now, at #20 tomorrow, and who knows where after that.
Of course…his evaluations may depend on how good friends he ends up being with any given player’s agent.
Exactly. Kiper has been tied to too many agents over the years
I’m always skeptical of his draft boards… seem to be personally motivated quite often.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
"Fairley was seen driving through a McDonalds today"
“Poor eating habits will cost him 40 spots on my big board” — Mel Kiper Jr.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
But Mel, he ordered a salad....
How about I give you tree fiddy and you forget about the McDonald’s thing?
Sincerely,
Fairley’s agent
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
There you go again messin’ around with that god dayum lochness monster.
-Nick Fairley
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Im gonna need about tree fiddy
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
"Oh, now it's only $2.50!!! What, is there a sale on Loch Ness Munchies or something?
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Kiper's reaction to this.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL classic
We should have a caption contest for this picture.
My first entry:
“Ahhhhhhhh. Smell that shit McShay. How’s my ass taste now?”
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
I think we should start an entire thread of these.
“Fairley was seen only tipping 14% to a waitress, instead of the standard 15%”
“I am removing Fairley from my big board entirely for this outrage.” – Mel Kiper Jr
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
lol that's funny
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Jon Gruden's take...
‘“This guy right here, now this guy, he doesn’t play by the rules that most guys play by. This guy, I tell you right now, he’s not gonna tip the waitress 15%. This guy’s no ordinary guy, I tell you what. This guy is a prime-time player. He’s gonna tip 14% because that’s what this guy does, right here…"
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
lol you're right...
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
"Fairley was making fun of my hair last night on twitter."
“I am going to throw his name off my big board for this immature mocking of me” – Mel Kiper Jr
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
McShay: Well, your hair is stupid, Mel.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Really McShay?
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
Yes Mel, really.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Hair Swap
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by ALAC on Jan 19, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Rivera won't stand for any stupid shit
so that whole “dirty player” rep (which is…debatable depending on how much you love/hate Auburn) is a moot point I think. If we take him, we’ll see the mean streak minus the penalties (at least not as many as suh had in DET this year)
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Suh killed ole Jakey in that preseaon game....
Did he have any others in the regular season?
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I remember seeing a few others...
although not quite as bad as the Delhomme hit; that was almost ejection worthy if you ask some refs in the league though lol that was worse than the saints facemask on Goodson (whose neck is somehow still intact)
I call it the Suhnami slam...............
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Here is the link
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d81a15769/Throw-him-down-big-man
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
At least he looks distraught about getting the flag.
I think he gets way to into the games and gets to aggressive.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
The Goodson facemask incident was egregious.
I can’t stand Marvin Mitchell. He got all pissy at the end of the game against the Seahawks – shoving some guy after the last knee in the victory formation. What was the point of that?
And he was fined a whopping $10,000 for the Goodson thing. (rolling eyes)
we'll see
I think Rivera won’t be above yanking his ass out of a game the first time it happens though; he’ll get the message
I know one other Panther who's "mean streak" has served him very well over his career
So much that the rules and regulations are based on him
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Von Miller will be the next Elvis Dumervill I think.
Not size wise but how teams could use him on 3rd down and he will have crazy sack totals as a DPR only really.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 12:57 PM EST reply actions
Here is a question for you all that know a lot about player worth.
What are the odds that if the Panthers do have say 4 or 5 wins this season, that they can still make a trade for the #1 pick and get Luck next year?
1000 to 1 :-)
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
If Lucks is there #1 I don't see any time trading it away.
Then again he’ll probably tease that next team again.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Please do not encourage Hurney
That guy is way too trigger happy on trading up. Plus I doubt anybody would trade Luck anyway unless we gave them way too much.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
What i meant was, what would they have to give for it?
What would make another team say we want that trade?
Well, it depends...
It depends on who gets the #1 pick, what their needs are, and the other players available in the draft pool.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Their franchise really.
1st round picks for 3 years in a row for Luck was one thing thrown around.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Our whole draft
Plus several early future picks.
And about tree fiddy.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Whatever it is, I'm sure Hurney will seriously consider it
And I’m sure it will be WAY too much.
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Ha!
A unanimous future star QB, for a couple of use-to-be’s??? Not a chance.
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Todd Mcshay
Mcshay posted on twitter there’s not much separation between Fairley, Dareus, and Liuget (whom I got to watch consistently being that I’m an Illinois fan). Liuget at least is not predicted to go till late first and if he really is comparable then why take Fairley this high? Either trade down or go with Green or Peterson.
The problem isn't trading down...
It’s finding someone willing to trade up. It takes a lot to get the #1 pick in terms of equal trade value, and with no sure-fire #1 pick on the board, teams will be leery to trade up for it.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Exactly! This is public knowledge.
Not just some secret nugget we found.
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He's from Wisconsin.
And he’s a DE.
That’s all I know.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Oh, and I almost forgot... He's big too.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
6'6" 290
Was a TE 2 years ago.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
dang
So he’s somewhat athletic too…
I’ll have to check him out. (no homo)
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Only thing he had problems with was zone-read plays
Didn’t realize at times he was the guy being read.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
This is not his best tape having to chase Pryor around, but...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNTwvuZ3jMs
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JJ Watt
3-4 DE, who could play 4-3 DE or 4-3 DT
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Nice versatility
Maybe someone to keep an eye on in the 4th-5th, I can’t imagine he’s rated that much higher.
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He's a lock for the 1st round now.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
reeeeeeeeeallllllllllllyyyyyyyyyy
wow. In that case I’d rather have Kerrigan.
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He's a late 1st rounder to.....................
Oh well, Cliff Matthews in the 5th anybody?
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
He was a mike backer at Oregon this past season, but he looks just like Clay, so one would think he could have some ability/skills on the edge, too.
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Thats Casey.
Cliff Matthews is a DE at USC.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
South Carolina I mean.......
Forget their is a another USC.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Oh
Clearly I don’t know much about him….‘accessing college football database’…(generic mechanical noises).
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Casey Matthews is ClayClay lite
Won’t be the pass rusher his brother is but could be a solid 4-3 Mike or Will linebacker, maybe Left ILB in a 3-4 if he beefs up.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
Easy way to tell them apart with one simple key...
South Carolina = USC
Southern California = U$C
Problem solved.
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Haha
Nice.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Hehe
My boy J.J. Watt!!
Most mocks have him going in the twenties but this guy will be the best DE in this draft. He is a monster!! He’ll probably end up going in the ten.
JJ Watt?
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
Yep.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Will Fairley= Peppers one day?
Fairley might be “the new Julius Peppers” for us. Just thinking out loud here. Someone who can track down and smash the opposing QB. I like the pick.
I hope they give him #90
I still have that jersey to……..
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
haha speaking of jerseys...
are we re-signing DeAngelo??? I really hope so. Dude is a monster when not injured (and has an O-line)
We're not signing anybody until a new CBA is reached.
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Asked Gantt today for an update:
Darin Gantt
May the fleas of a thousand camels, … Depends on CBA. RT @James_Dator Johnny Carson turban on: Is DeAngelo a Panther next season?
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Considering they play different positions.......
No, he will not. Frankly, I wouldn’t want him to be. I’d be fine with a player that is consistently “very good”, rather than one that is once in awhile “great”.
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And shows up to play the run all the time.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
No doubt.
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But Peppers does thing that doesn’t show up on stats….
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Do you know that Pepper is being considered (with Matthews) as a front-runner for DPOY?
He had to get out of Carolina to get noticed.
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Chicago=Big Market
Big Market=Attraction to news outlets such as CNN and ESPN
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yea, I know.
Sarcastic answer:
I doubt they will ever start keeping stats on plays taken off, plays quit on, or excessive checks cashed.
Serious answer:
You’ve got to play thru it. Double teams aren’t an excuse for his poor performances. Honestly, he doesn’t get double teamed as much as people think he does. I’ve watched many, many, plays where he’s just handled by the tackle or jacked totally out of the play. He’s a Tar Heel and I’ve watched him play football and basketball most of his life. He’s got the skills to be one of if not the G.O.A.T. He doesn’t have the motor or the motivation to go along with the skills though.
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but but but its Peppers your just upset he left town you know he is the best DE in the leauge nobody even compares….
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
well played
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Lol. Yea, right!
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Both can make 30 yard run out of what seems to be a 1 yard loss.
But at this points its Stewy, he’s younger, a powerful runner, and is a real class act.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
You mean, Fairley = Kris Jenkins one day
Jenkins was a bit nasty as well. Of course it eventually ran him out of town, so let’s hope they are not too similar.
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fairley not worth it
i think he’ll be a solid player, but he shouldn’t be our pick. i’m looking at need, and when you have the #1 overall pick on a team with horrible QB play, you have to take a QB. i think our DTs will be a lot better if we can play more games with at least 30 minutes of TOP. DT is definitely a need, but QB is more pressing. I think we’re gonna get Cam Newton. He can make every throw, is big and strong like Culpepper, wins like Tebow, and runs faster. I think his pro day is what will vault him to #1. right now he’s not looking like a top 5 pick. but i am convinced at least 2 QBs go in the top 10, maybe 3.
I could think of a long list of reasons not to take Newton #1.
I don’t feel like getting into it either.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
You don't draft for need
You draft the best player available. Fairley, and to a lesser extent Green, is one of the rare cases where BPA matches closely with need.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
DO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!
If a RB was the BPA then that’s how you would draft ????
Jim
If a running back was clearly the best player in the draft
Then 100% yes I would draft him.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
A BIG step in the right direction!
RR said it in his opening appraisal of the Panthers – " My BIGGEST concern of the team is at the QB position".
Sure seems like if that’s RRs feeling then you draft to that concern – - – Cam Newton
Jim
Newton isn’t the #1 rated QB Blaine Gabbert is so NO
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
Most scouts are calling Newton a 3-year project
Basically, #1 overall needs to be able to play right away.
The guy is still 5 years away from his 'physical peek.' Take a look at him only three years ago...
Fairley, before Auburn:
And this year, only three years later:
Now put him in an NFL strength and conditioning program, and in three years the guy is going to be redonkulous.
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by ERL on Jan 19, 2011 1:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
If we wan’t to sure up our Defensive Line Fairley is the best guy we are going to be able to get this offseason. Im not saying he is the only player out there at DT but he has the most upside. Dude is a beast and has a nasty streak.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
OMG the guy got bigger from his senior year of HS to his junior year of college! Must be TEH RIODZ
Seriously though, he got into a much better S&C program than he had in HS and was probably better educated on how to eat right and take care of himself.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
FAIRLEY SMASH!
Currently researching for a way to trade rosterbation threads to another team's blog site while receiving maximum value in return.
No concerns about spending the Prime Pick
on a guy that only had one good year? Fairley scares me. And this draft is loaded with good DT’s. Guys like Sione Fua can be had in the 3rd. If Fairley was a can’t miss like Suh, I say hell yeah. But I’m not convinced Fairley is ANY better than Fua.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
Have you seen any tape on Fua?
I honestly don’t see anything in Fairley that isn’t in Fua. I’m not saying Fairley sucks, I don’t believe that at all, I just think that pick carries a lot promise and burden to a franchise. Therefore, a limited body of work has to be taken into consideration.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
My bad, should've been a reply.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor
If only this could happen
1st: WR A.J. Greene
2nd: WR (Armanti Edwards Pick)
3rd: OT/G Benjamin Ijalana
3rd comp: DT Marvin Austin
4th: DT Sione Fua
5th: CB Rashad Carmichael
Barring any trade(s) I could live with this draft. Some of these players may rise/fall at the combine.
Coach Rivera, may we please have one of these FA Nnamdi Asomugha,Jonathan Joseph or Champ Bailey
Todd Mcshay who ive come to respect more on his thoughts and picks more so then Mel has us taking Bowers #1…He also has Gabbert at #3 to Buffalo. Gabbert keeps moving up Carolina may take a chance with him if the new staff likes him over Clausen and co. Im not sure i want either. Fact im positive i don’t.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
A random tweet converation I found between JJ Watt and Christian Ponder
@JJWatt99 hi umm i have one more question if you would be so kind to answer…who is your favorite player from Florida State? about 2 hours ago via web
@cponder7 Everette Brown 25 minutes ago via Twitter for iPad in reply to cponder7
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Interesting
I think Ev is going to make it, I really do. I mean, I remember getting stronger and faster from 21 to 24, and I’m just some average douche.
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I've heard nothing but good things regarding the guy
and really I feel like when he’s in he’s thiiiiiisclose to breaking out…he admitted to botching his offseason conditioning his rookie year (he put on a bunch of weight but lost it in TC), but now that he’s been through one successful weight gaining offseason, I could see him adding a bit more this year and becoming a good force from the end.
With Hardy and Johnson emerging its time for him to do it now. If we end up taking Bowers like some predict hes screwed all together. Unless we just rotate DE constantly to keep fresh pressure.
"Hard Work Beats Talent When Talent Fails To Work Hard" - Kevin Durant
(for Tom, as well)
I agree with everything you both said. He needs to do it this year or its over. But I think he is going to put it all together, almost overnight. If he could get to 265 and stay there, he’d be a beast.
Even if the guy is never a 3-down player, if he can come in on passing downs and get pressure and some sacks here and there, then he will always have a role. Imagine…
“Brown, Johnson, Fairley, Norwood/Hardy” as our D-line in our dime package. That’s some pass rushing ability.
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Or for a 3-4 look on a passing down
Johnson and Hardy at DE, Fairley at NT
Brown and Norwood at OLB
Put all the pass rushers on the field
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
We don't draft thugs.
And that’s exactly what Marvin Austin is.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
Call it "Da Busta"
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Its the principle of the matter.
Trading Smitty for a second round pick is essentially trading Smitty for Armanti straight up. Can’t do it.
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Quick Question: If there is still no CBA at the end of next season, How will the draft work? What is the order?
There will be no next season till the deal gets done.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
So does that mean there wont be any sort of draft? Will the draft after that be loaded with players from next year and the year after?
The draft is the last action of this season.
It will happen that’s why all the juniors jumped this year.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
They will probably do a fantasy style raffle draft,
All teams will have an equal chance.
This what the NHL did in ’06(I think)
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
The chances weren't equal in the NHL draft after the lockout
The chances were based on the team’s record the last 3-5 years. The worst team in that time span had the best chance of getting the 1st overall pick.
Thanks for not reading "(I think)"
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
The draft order in case of a lockout is not determined
They would probably vote on it once there’s a new CBA. And it would likely stay the same order, or be a lottery. Preferably the former since we have the #1 overall and we could nab Luck then. But I’d think the latter would get more votes, and we’d have to draw straws with a few of the worst teams.
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But I'm hearing that a lockout is extremely likely, but NOT for an entire season
So most likely they’ll miss a few games, and everyone’s pockets will start feeling very shallow, and they’ll get a deal done. Meaning we’ll probably have a shortened season in 2011.
Someone should put up a post about what the new CBA will look like. Because there are a lot of interesting ideas being thrown around… Like we’re probably going to wind up with an 18 game season/2 game pre-season.
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It will be in the same order as this years draft.
Coach Rivera, may we please have one of these FA Nnamdi Asomugha,Jonathan Joseph or Champ Bailey
Maybe we'll get Lucky
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by chinchillas sword on Jan 19, 2011 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not likely
We’re the only team that would vote for that. It will more than likely be a lottery like the NBA.
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Wow...................
Look at NFL.com’s mock draft, found here.
They have the Saints taking Ryan Mallet.
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That's 2 drafts with Green's stock slipping
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I have one name that sums all this up... Derek friggin Landri!!!
When that’s your best DT then you know you need a serious upgrade. He should be a #3 at best, on any team.
DT is one of the few positions that we need to find 2 starters. Are we going to find 2 guys of Fairley’s caliber in FA… Not a chance! The top prospect of the draft is our biggest area of need. No way we can pass on that!
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I HATE to agree with Mel Kiper..............................................
but in this case I think Fairley is the best choice. He had monster tackles for loss in the very tough SEC, and fits perfectly with Rivera’s mindset. We can get a quality WR or CB down the draft easier than a high quality DT.
I love AJ Green
BUT i like smith/lafell/gettis more than i like landri and ed johnson. I will be happy taking a dominant defensive end. We gotta go the route John Fox did in ’02 and thats fix the side of the ball you can first and then worry about offense in free agency and next years draft.
You make a good point...
I love AJ Green, but I like Smith/LaFell/Gettis more than I like Landri/Johnson. That’s a great way to think about who we should draft.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
This makes absolutey no sense to me.
I love AJ Green, but I like Smith/LaFell/Gettis more than I like Landri/Johnson.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
he's posting that while Green is an attractive option..
we are better off at WR than we are at DT, thus need and bpa are forming together to form the fairley pick
But he said take Bowers...
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
I think he meant take a defensive tackle.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt.
At the very least, I’m stealing it as my reasoning for drafting Fairley, lol.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
It makes perfect sense
Our WRs are a ProBowler, and 2 big, young receivers with potential. Our starting DTs however are career backups at best.
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I think I need to go sleep.
Been up to long.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well put sir
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