Is Billy Volek the right veteran QB for the Carolina Panthers?
by James Dator on Jan 19, 2011 8:37 AM EST
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PrintThere's no doubt about it, the Panthers need a veteran QB. One who can serve both as mentor and competition to guide the offense through the 2011 season (provided there is one) and essentially be caretaker while Ron Rivera and Co. can either evaluate Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike or develop a rookie QB should they decide to take one in the draft. This isn't just a machination of writers and fans either, just the other day Jon Beason said on WFNZ that he believes the team needs to bring in a veteran QB to compete for the job with Jimmy Clausen.
Enter 34 year old Billy Volek, a ten year NFL veteran and arguably one of the most reliable backup quarterbacks in the NFL. Oftentimes the quality of a backup can be measured in how few stop they've made along the way, and Volek typifies this notion, playing from 2000-2006 with the Tennessee Titans and 2006-2010 with the San Diego Chargers. There was a time he was seen in the same light as Matt Schaub and Matt Cassell as a QB who was ready to start in the NFL, but ultimately behind someone considered 'unbenchable'. For Schaub and Cassell this was Michael Vick and Tom Brady respectively, for Volek it was Steve McNair and Philip Rivers.
His longest streak of starts came in 2004 for the injured Steve McNair in which Volek started eight games for the Titans. Over this eight game stretch he completed 61.1% of his passes, threw for 2,486 yards, 18 TD, 10 INT and finished with a QB rating of 87.1. This was also the season where Volek joined an exclusive club of QBs who have thrown for over 400 yards in back-to-back games, passing for 426 and 492 yards against Kansas City and Oakland.
After the jump we'll look at why Volek is a good fit for the Carolina Panthers and what he can bring to the table.
Tip of the hat to jkp1516 for showing the Panthers interest (per Steve Reed) in a fanshot.
Why Volek is the right fit for the Carolina Panthers:
- He knows who he is: This might seem like an obvious reason, but Billy Volek is self assured. He doesn't have any delusions of grandeur about his role in the NFL at this point, and wouldn't be the kind to canabalize a young player solely to get one more shot as a starter.
- He's worked behind some of the best in the business: Remember why we're bringing in a veteran, to help mold the young players. Look at the people Volek has worked under in the past, future HoF caliber QBs. It's hard to imagine he hasn't learned at least some of what makes those players tick. This information is invaluable to help mentor a young QB.
- Ron Rivera and Rob Chudzinski know him: Granted, Rivera would only have casual interactions with the QBs, but regardless, two of the key coaches having a familiarity with Volek is a good thing, and if brought in then it's safe to assume both Rivera and Chudz endorse his character.
- He's 6'2": Simply put, Volek doesn't hit the DL. This is one of the biggest problems Jimmy Clausen needs to overcome and many have suggested it's because of his height (or lack thereof). Realistically, it has far more to do with his mechanics and his release point rather than his height. Regardless, Volek has been successful at his height and provided a good QB coach is there too they can correct Clausen's release to overcome this.
- He's cheap: Both literally, and figuratively there would be little risk in bringing Volek into the fold. He's already a free agent, wouldn't require a large investment or trade and if Carolina settle on their future guy he would easily step back and assume the backup role again.
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Bring him in and resign moore to a cheap contract...
let all three duke it out in TC and preseason; we all know Tony Pike ain’t gonna take the starting spot…..
I wouldn't count out
anyone, even Pike for a starting spot. The bottom line is we need not only a starting QB, but a franchise QB. Moore probably won’t be brought back, though I’d love it if they would resign him, so that leaves us with Clausen, Pike, and a Vet or rookie to compete. Pike is going to have a full offseason in the conditioning program, and despite playing in garbage time against the Saints he did slightly better than Clausen did and that’s saying a lot. The point is we have to be open to everyone and anyone that has the potential to be our franchise QB. Whether that be Clausen or Pike, or a rookie that we draft or even a young FA is yet to be seen. But I’d like to see someone like Volek signed because the guy does bring experience and most importantly knowledge. We need a Vet to show these young guys how to play and how to prepare and how to win. I’m all for it!!! As long as it leads to us winning!
To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 19, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
I would be for this.
But then again I’m for any alternative to entering training camp with Clausen the annointed starter. I acknowledge he was in terrible circumstances, but sometimes thats when you can tell most about a player’s leadership qualities and mental toughness and I don’t think he tested well in that regard. I think both Smitty & now Beasons’s comments reflect this and I doubt Rivera’s gonna be too impressed when he watches our tapes. I would love to see Moore get another shot to win a roster spot and Volek does sound like an affordable short term answer who has familarity with our new coaching regime and could come right in to help get the ball rolling.
Just curious.
If you can tell the most about a player’s leadership qualities and mental toughness when the circumstances are less than favorable, what does that say about Moore?
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
Very fair question, I'll try my best to answer coherently.
I know this is subjective, but to me it seemed like Moore was willing to step up or wait longer in the pocket and even take a hit to try to make play where in same the circumstances Clausen panics and flees backward. Also, I remember hearing Moore’s teammates come to his defense after his bad games, whereas that wasn’t so much the case with JC. I guess trying to be positive, I would say Clausen has a keen instinct for self preservation. He survived the season and lives on to fight another day while Moore is trying to recover from a career threatening injury. But the question I ask myself is, which type of guy do I want in my foxhole when I go into battle.
Not sure I agree with this
You run a greater risk of turning it over if you get hit as you attempt a pass. I’m not sure that self-preservation is the motivation here.
What I will agree is that Clausen did not show a lot of confidence in his own abilities and a general lack of belief. And I think at this point many at CSR believe that it is indictment enough. The Panthers might have no choice but to cut Clausen when they have finished their evaluations this off-season.
I hear what your saying.
But there were alot of times when JC bailed out too early on plays and failed to step up in the pocket it was there. It seems to me his instincts were more out of a sense of fleeing rather than avoidance. I also think his early problems under center were some evidence of that too. Thats just my take, lack of confidence or fear (ie: self preservation) who knows for sure?
I agree, he looked scared.
And his teammates didn’t really have his back. Maybe that’s why he was scared?
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Agreed Volek could be a good backup but he is not the guy that most casual Panther fans would be excited about acquiring still he did a bang up job with the Titans and looked as if he was on the fringe of a breakout as a starting QB and then went to the Chargers where he ran into P. Rivers and Rivers vs. Volek their is no competition their. Still Volek would be a good backup only but we need to find a QB of the future and not simply just a backup / one year stop gap and that is all realistically Volek is at this stage in his career.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 19, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
I would perfer to find a long term solution. Since we have decided to go with the youth movement, I think this would be a waste of roster spot. Maybe the young QBs could learn something, but then why do we pay QB Coaches???
No.
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Are we trying to be the East Coast Chargers or somethin'
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
Carolina Chargers sounds a lot better then the Carolina Browns we have been
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yeah but
whatever happened to the Carolina Panthers. If we’re gonna rebuild, for god sake rebuild into a new team. Not some knock-off carbon copy of another team that almost made the playoffs. Lets be a younger, better, faster Carolina team. If this keeps up we will be the Chargers-lite, like the Chiefs are the Patriots-lite.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Jan 19, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
That's overblown
We’re nothing like the Chargers. We have way better defensive personnel, we don’t have a QB, and we don’t play in a weak division. We’re going with a 4-3 front, and we’ll run the ball in ways they only wish they could.
I suspect that the Panthers team you see next year will be more like the Carolina Cheaglers than any one team. :)
I think the younger is better experiment is over, after being a massive failure.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jan 19, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are right.
I think this “younger” thing was just bs to get rid of some contracts they didnt want and to have a fresh start for a new coach. And i think last season was just so the new coach would have some tape to evaluate who he wants to keep from the young players. Richardson letting the older players go just to force Fox’s hand to play younger players is a load of crap. Everyone here knows all Richardson would have had to do is tell Fox to play them.
What I mean is
We are already younger, now we just need to get faster and better. We don’t need to go signing a bunch or retread players that other teams don’t want anymore. We do need a vet QB to mentor Clausen and Pike but lets look at other teams other than the Chargers. There are plenty of talented players out there that are still in there prime that could take this team and run with it. How about Kolb, Alex Smith, Gradkowski from Oakland or however you spell his name. All young guys with loads of talent that could more than get the job done until Clausen is ready to step up.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think the whole point is to get someone really old who has been around and seen it all.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jan 19, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
we already did that...
Testaverde… that should end that discussion… or maybe Jurgensen or Jaws have something to prove…
Obviously, you are not understanding the purpose of bringing in the veteran.
Testaverde was a different story altogether.
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Just responding to Silver82blade “someone really old who has seen it all comment” , i was going for sarcasm not my ideal opinion…
Sorry then.
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Sarcasm aside ...
… if it weren’t for Testaverde DeAngelo Williams probably never would’ve learned how to run at the professional level, and we would’ve had zero passing offense in 2007. Vets are sometimes better than coaches at teaching young players what they need to know. That time it was a quarterback teaching a running back, but still.
stuff 'bout stuff.
by silver82blade on Jan 19, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
i dont know if you may have noticed but sum of them old player when put in the right enviroment tend to flourish and play better… they might get with this team and with chemistry here they may b that breakout player.. u have to look at how they where used in on the prior team and how they will b used on this team.. u also have look at the diffrnce in personel from the old team they are cming.. u also have to look at who they are being coached by… think about it if you take a back in put him on a team with a line that can open up lanes for him then most natually he will work better then he would on a team where all runnin lanes are always shut down… basicly what i’m sayin is u cant say just because they are older and other teams got ridd of them that they are washed up.. u gotta to look at the situation on the team.. if they were a star player then look to see if there had been any changes to the team or coaching staff that could have effect him..my take on a team full of rookie u asking for trouble…
by NEXT YEAR PANTHERS PLAYA on Jan 19, 2011 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I 100% agree with BlackCatFan
Panthers need to rediscover their own identity. Stop trying to be the Browns or Chargers b.c. the Chargers have two things we don’t a top flight TE in Gates and a franchise QB in P. Rivers. Great to dream to be another team but Carolina needs to stop dreaming as they did under Fox aka chewing gum and starring at the sky during games and get back to Panther football.
Go Panthers !
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 19, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't recall ever seeing him play, but it's hard to argue with his stats.
I’d like them to look at Tyler Thigpen too. He has good mobility, and may be able to take some pressure off the offensive line. They should go after both.
stuff 'bout stuff.
Tyler Thigpen would be a great option as well.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Thigpen is a hometown hero in Horry County.
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by RjTheMetalhead on Jan 19, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Horry County sounds like they're hard up for hero's.
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You do not want T. Thigpen PERIOD ! You think Pike or Clausen are bad LOL wait until you see Thigpen in action it will make you puke.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 19, 2011 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like the perfect solution to me
or at least the closest to perfect we could hope for. it being cheap makes it way more likely to happen. I remember watching him play for the titans, he seemed like a backup who could fill in quite well when needed to. I still have faith in Jimmy Clausen, as blind as it may be i just feel like he can pull it out for us. If not, then we will more than likely be picking high again next year and we can get our QB of the future then. For the time being this seems like the best course of action to me.
I think he would be fine
If we Rivera decides to stick with Clausen this year. But if he wants someone other than Clausen under center, i dont think he is our guy
wth… how can u say “IF HE WANTS SOMEONE OTHER THEN CLAUSEN UNDER CENTER, YOU DONT THINK HE IS OUR GUY.” clausen is a college hero but he aint no nfl caliber qb.. i hope he did well in college because the way he ran around the field he gonna need to chase another dream.. clausen under center, where did u find that joke.. id rather go back to our 1st mistake, keep matt moore and dump the college prep.. boy u made me almost piss on myself wiff that comment..
by NEXT YEAR PANTHERS PLAYA on Jan 19, 2011 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I will pass on Volek. Maybe Shaun Hill or Matt Moore but just don’t want Volek.
Coach Rivera, may we please have one of these FA Nnamdi Asomugha,Jonathan Joseph or Champ Bailey
Personally
Why not both Volek and S. Hill and then allow Clausen to develop and drop Pike to the PS squad or carry 4 QB’s. I would be down with that for sure talk about QB competition at training camp LOL.
I would like to have S. Hill here and I am with you on passing on Volek and not crazy at all about bringing M. Moore back into the fold.
WE NEED A DAMN FRANCHISE QB RICHARDSON ! Time to spend the money and go out and get a V. Young, K. Kolb, or K. Orton(the best choice on the soon to be free agent market).
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 19, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
I remember watching Volek play in that 2004 stretch
Guy looked a hell of a lot better than a backup QB. He didn’t exactly have top flight WRs to throw to either. I remember his top receiver at that time was Drew Bennett (who he made look like a superstar).
If the Panthers goal is to find a steady handed backup and teacher, then I believe Volek is a great choice. However, if their goal is to bring in someone who they want to legitimately compete for the starting job, and maybe play the whole year as the #1, I do wonder to myself if Volek’s best days are behind him.
This move would be the epitomy of the Panthers. A solid but not sexy choice. I think when we are looking for our veteran QB, we need to looks for more of the reigns holder type. Volek can probably fill that role, and as you said, transition to a backup once one of the young guys are ready.
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Volek is a one year plug, but I think everyone knows that.
I remember when he played extensively that one season. He looked very good. That was seven years ago, so we have no indication that he will be the same guy in a different place, eight seasons later. I think he’s another guy to add to the pot, but our search for a QB for 2011 does not end with Volek.
I agree with silver, we need to look at Thigpen as well. He has more recent playing experience. He is younger, more mobile, and could actually be an option beyond 2011 or 2012.
But let’s be real here gang, we are not going to find our franchise guy in free agency. No one does that. Kurt Warner is the last guy (besides Brees) who was signed as a FA and became a top 5-10 QB. History says that we will have to draft our guy at some point. 2011 does not appear to be the year to do that, unless someone who is being vastly underrated happens to blow up (Dalton, Stanzi, etc.).
So here we are digging up the remains of QBs who haven’t been in the saddle in almost a decade. Leave no stone unturned, I suppose.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Must've eaten you up to see that post about Moore's progress :-)
Seriously, of your 5 reasons for Volek being “the right fit,” #1,3, and 5 are just as valid about Moore. And so far as familiarity, it’s more important that a QB be familiar with his receivers (which Moore is) than his coaches. Lastly, Volek’s been a serviceable backup off the bench, but his best year was 7 years ago, and there’s no upside; he’d just be a stop-gap, and as has been said, Clausen needs a QB coach, more than a mentor.
Oh, and Moore is taller than Volek, and his best year of 2009 was better than Volek’s, which was 5 years more distant in the past than that.
If the Panthers are going to bring in a vet, let them bring in Orton or Hill (if Moore can’t recover), and then we’d have a chance to use him for a longer stretch of time.
I don’t see Volek as the answer. I do like ERL’s comment about “digging up the remains.”
Interesting thoughts...
First, I think James was pointing out the height issue as a means of saying that Volek could help Jimmy not hit DLs since they’re the same height and Volek didn’t have a history of hitting DLs.
I think it really depends on what the FO is looking for. If they’re just looking for a vet who can be a second QB coach and sling the ball around if need be, then Volek’s great. If they’re looking for someone to compete with Pickles, then they’ll go another route.
by The Duke Dude on Jan 19, 2011 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Moore may indeed be the answer
We all certainly thought he would be at this time last year. But fool me once, shame on you…
There’s a big difference between hoping a rookie gets better after his first year and thinking a veteran can make the same type of improvement. After four years in the league, it’s way more probable that we’ve seen the best we’re going to out of Moore than Jimmy Clausen. And that’s a shame.
I would love to see Moore come to camp (and I’m sure he’ll get an invite) and be the QB that we saw in 2009. But he wasn’t that QB in camp last year, and he wasn’t in the preseason, and he wasn’t in the regular season. Which really sucks, because if he had been we wouldn’t have suffered through a two win season and we would be happily thinking about what Clausen would look like when he finally saw the field.
So I can’t see the logic in depending on Moore. Giving him a shot, absolutely. But putting all the eggs in that basket is foolhardy, and I don’t see Rivera and Hurney wanting to take that risk. So, look for a vet. And as James has pointed out, Volek makes a ton of sense.
And a prior relationship with Chud and Rivera certainly doesn’t hurt. :)
And, Volek doesn't sweat turds when the pressure is on him.
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What pressure has he ever had on him?
And are you his wardrobe assistant?
Sorry; I don't get your point.
Are you saying the added experience on a bench is a major benefit for Volek?
In that case, I better switch the new tires I just bought for some retreads.
It's a major benefit for us.
Because he can teach our other QB’s a heck of a lot more than Moore can.
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"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
What, for example?
Or are you advocating we hire Volek as QB coach?
Volek has been in the system that Chud will likely run for several years now.
And when he has been called into action, he’s played well. And he’s not coming off of a potential career-ending surgery. Having a peer explain things to you is a good supplement to coaching.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
This.
And I know you don’t see the need for a mentor, but NFL teams have been doing it for longer than you’ve been alive. Obviously it’s worth something.
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"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
And considering that I think Pike can still be put on the PS...
Bringing in Volek wouldn’t preclude us from adding another QB to the mix, whether it be a high draft pick, Moore, Smith, or anyone else of that nature.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, the NFL couldn't SPELL mentor when I was born.
You think the Chicago Cardinals and the Portsmouth Spartans had mentors? They were cashing $20 game checks, and rubbing dirt on their cuts. They’d only held a college draft for 4 years.
Old school, baby – suck it up, and get back in there, Bronco. Show me what you got.
Players also regularly played with concussions back then
Which, you know, is a pretty bad idea.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
No pads, no padding, no face mask...ouch!
Of course, they probably ran a 6.2 40, so nobody got much of a head of steam up.
So older players never helped out the younger guys?
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
If you read Gantt's article re: the Proehl interview.
There was an interesting quote in there about veteran mentors.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 21, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
if you gonna spend sum money then why would u spend it on a 2nd rate vet to give a few pointer to a qb that fail miserable last yr.. i say that carolina quit being cheap, go out and get a real qb over sumone to feel in the hole for now.. think about this way, what if they did get volex to b the training qb for lets say clausen and he still have an f’d up season.. you have wasted money on a fix to a problem that cant b fixed. go with a sure answer by gettin a quarter back that can shine and give clausen time to develope in the back ground.. with in a yr or so if clausen is still arround then we would assume that he has been well train and hve the ability to run an offense.. dont just waste money hoping that we can get sumbody in here to train him to b a better qb then find out he just not qb quality because then we would b stuck…
by NEXT YEAR PANTHERS PLAYA on Jan 19, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
That's an asinine and dumb comparison.
If you think that QBs are in some way relatable to retreaded tires, I really have no words to respond to that.
What upside could Matt Moore possibly provide over a true veteran? Do you honestly believe that Moore can provide insight into a system he’s not even familiar with? I’m not even looking at the fact that he couldn’t provide any insight to the rookies for the system he was in for 4 years. Moore isn’t a vet. He’s a 4th year perennial 3rd string bench warmer who was handed a starting job and collapsed at the beginning of the season (not to mention he’s is also coming off one of the most debilitating injuries a QB can sustain).
Sorry, but I’m going to call this how I see it. You want Moore back on the team because you still believe he can and should start, and your comments and thoughts on the matter are twisted toward that desire.
So I'm twisted, asinine, and dumb?
For having no words to respond, you managed to cough up two paragraphs. Good for you. Expressing oneself is mentally and emotionally healthy. I’m happy for you.
This means we both call it as we see it.
Despite the personal insults, I respect your right to have your own opinions, and will defend that right against anyone who might question it.
Nice try but...
You missed a few points. First of all, I didn’t say you were any of those things. I said your reasoning and reasons were. There is a difference between the two. Secondly, I didn’t say anything else on your tires comment, because that was really all I had to say. The rest of my comment was devoted to the notion that Moore somehow has more value as a back up than Volek.
And… you refuted none of it so I’m guessing that means it was all correct?
With regard to your familarity arguement Big D......
I think that depends on what type of system Chudz is planning to install and how it much it differs to our previous Offense. I think if its a very substantive change, our young recievers and young QB’s would benefit from having Volek come in, who would almost be like an on-field extension of our offensive coordinator. I saw Andy Reid do this in his first year with the Eagles, bringing with him career vet backup QB Doug Pederson from the Packers as his first year starter to help install the WCO. It was a painful first season, but the team and most importantly rookie Donovan McNabb really benefited from it and it laid the foundation for a run of productive seasons.
by paydirt16 on Jan 19, 2011 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Speaking of QB coaches...
does anyone know anything about who they might be looking at? They waiting until the Superbowl is over? I would think they would go after the best possible candidate since its such a major need..
I would like to think that that's maybe why we haven't heard much about the QB coach.
But it also may simply be because they wanted to get the core staff in place first (OC, DC, etc.) before really going after position coaches. I think Meeks got the head start as the secondary coach just because he was here and part of the old staff asked to return for interviews.
As I mentioned in another post,
I believe I’ll be starting the Alex Smith bandwagon. His numbers have greatly improved the past two years, to the point that he’s comparable to Kyle Orton, a player many of us have said we’d take as our starting QB. I don’t think he’s our franchise QB, but he’s a guy that could compete with Clausen and is still young enough to be a starter for several years.
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+100
I would take Alex Smith. Young and has something to prove…
You can quote that!!!!
by Da Kid Long on Jan 19, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
If you believe in Clausen, then yes.
And I’m not saying I don’t believe in Jimmy, because I do. All I’m doing is pointing out a viable option for a starting QB, and a reasonable alternative to trading for a QB like Orton, which some seem to be in favor of.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
Alex Smith didn't do too well against the Chargers last month, so I'd suppose Rivera has enough to evaluate him as a prospect.
I’d put him behind Orton and Shaun Hill as possible pickups. All have had their moments.
In a vacuum, they may be ahead of him
But I believe both Orton and Hill are under contract, and Smith is a free agent. That needs to be taken into consideration as well.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
You are correct.
Orton and Hill would both have to be traded for or released from their current teams first. Smith is a free agent.
I’m not advocating that we get Alex Smith, but he is a free agent.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Smith might be too scared to walk out on the practice field.
C. Johnson kinda creamed him. LOL. =)
I am kidding about being scared. He might be someone worth looking at – I would think stepping into the Panthers situation at the moment would be better than where he was at with the 49ers.
Billy Volek?
No thanks
You can quote that!!!!
Great Write up James, and thanks for the tip of the hat ;)
Also props on using the word “machination,” I like it!
As for Volek, you’ve made a pretty convincing case. I’d be happy with him as a backup and guide. Not sure I want him leading the Panthers, but I think he probably has the skills to do it.
I have a feeling I'm gonna get flamed, but...
If we are looking for a one or two year fix, how about bringing an old face back. Kerry Collins has been solid for the last few years. He’s not a break out star, but if we are looking for a vet to train the young guys then we aren’t in need of one. Just a guy who can get us through with a respectable season or two and has the potential to give us a playoff birth at least.
I don’t think they let players carry a walker onto the field!
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Jan 19, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Come on. He’s only 4 years older that Volek, and he’s a Super Bowl Quarterback! How many can say that?
Just playing devil's advocate...
But he played in the SB for the Giants, who were DESTROYED by the Ravens.
His stat line…
15/39, 112 yds, 0 TD, 4 INT
So yeah, I wouldn’t put my stance on him being a “Super Bowl QB”, lol.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
No argument here on his playing in the actual game. lol I’d love a ring here, but I’ll take playoffs.
I wouldn't have a problem with him coming in...
But a lot of fans would. He didn’t leave on a very good note.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
I am with you on that, but if you can sext, kill dogs, or rape women and still be a respected quarterback, I think it’s an easier sell for someone who was a drunk. lol
I think it's more that he quit on the team than his being an alcoholic.
But that’s just my take.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
He was an alcoholic pill popper who alienated an entire locker room...
and like bw said, quit on the team a mere 3 years after drafting him; that has probably left a bit of a bitter taste in JR’s mouth considering he was our first draft pick and expected to be our franchise guy….
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Yep. He will not be welcomed back in Charlotte by a number of fans.
Myself included.
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by Tater596 on Jan 19, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
UHHH Jake Delhomme
And he had a great game in the Superbowl but you don’t hear anybody asking for him to come back
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Want to piss of your oldest and most loyal fans? Bring in someone who screwed us over!
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But...but...he's a changed man..... :-)
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
He had problems with alcohol, yes. Everything else stems from that alone. He’s been clean and solid for years since.
side note, i’m still rocking my Collins Starter Jersey from 95. I’m in the oldest and most loyal fans camp too.
I've got my collins jersey...
but it’s so faded that you can barely tell it says collins on the back lol
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
+1
I still have mine too. I’ll wear it and people will start asking me, “what the heck man!? He’s not even on your team anymore!!!”
To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 19, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I just liked the number a lot when I was a kid...
always wore 12 if I could
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Brett Favre for QB coach
Go ahead Rivera fly down there and bring that boy up here to do some teachin’ LOL
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
I know a lot of people scoff/laugh at that idea...
But I don’t know if it would be such a bad thing. I mean, the guy has been a legendary QB for decades (scratch the 2010 season). He knows how to be an amazing QB. And look at how Rodgers benefited by sitting behind him for a few seasons.
I’m not saying he’d be the best option, but I think there are plenty who are a heck of a lot worse.
But, at the same time, I don’t know if Favre’s personality is cut out to be a coach. Seems like he’d rather be the guy in the spotlight. (Plus, he’d probably want to lay low for a few years to let the sexting scandal die down.)
favre's here.. who jokes is this!!!
heck no!!!
i just had a awlful vision of favres cmin to the panthers as a qb mentor and on game day him walkin out on the field tryin to re-live his not missing a starting game streak wiff the panther..
i’ll pass!!!!
by NEXT YEAR PANTHERS PLAYA on Jan 19, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
I said coach not mentor
Trade in his pads for a whistle, Those who can’t do Teach, Let the old man pass on his wisdom, Put the stud out to pasture,
I definately wouldn’t agree with signing him as a player but with decades of experience, he would probably be the best QB coach that ever lived.
I could also almost see Testeverde as a QB coach, You can’t deny that these guys are football geniuses they just lost a race with age.
IT AIN'T SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT BUT THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG
by BlackCatFan on Jan 20, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I say wait and let Moore show the new coach if he has what it takes.
Now that i said that. When would they be able to even evaluate a player under the new coach’s plays? Dont they have to have a cba agreement for them to interview? This is going to be a strange offseason until that cba gets worked out.
I would wait because Moore may be the answer
I am not saying dont try others out, but wait till Moore can show if he is ready b4 you make a decision. He would come cheaper than most and might be a better fit. As someone pointed out Moore knows the receivers better than any other qb, In fact he knows all the offensive line better. When i said wait, i just meant dont go signing someone else before you try what you have.
You don't want to bet you season on a "may"
Bring in a vet, throw them all in the mix, see what shakes out. Just because you sign a vet doesn’t mean they make the final roster, those cuts happen all the time.
Betting the future on a QB who just let the team down in the worst way probably isn’t how this new coaching regime plans to start. :)
"a QB who just let the team down in the worst way"
And you’re referring to whom? Moore, or Clausen?
For the record again, I’m not advocating that Moore be re-signed and named starter. Rather that (if he’s healed, and can execute the necessary throws) he be re-signed and put in the competition. Some here don’t even want that to happen, for some biased reason; yet they’re all for giving Clausen chance after chance, notwithstanding the fact that he’s never led the TD drives, or thrown the deep TD passes, that Moore has.
Moore was coached badly, given poor play-calls in key situations (Red Zone), and put back in before his concussion was rested. I just want him to get another chance, if he’s physically up to it.
And wasn't Clausen victim of many of the same things?
And yet he arguably had less success than Clausen. He definitely had similar stats, despite the fact that he’s been in the league for far longer. I just see too many risks for us to re-sign him. If Clausen was in the same position, would you be advocating a contract for him? Moore’s best chance is going to be with another team, not saying he can’t do it here, but honestly the best thing for the guy is to go somewhere else.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, Clausen got some good play calls in the Red Zone.
If Clausen were in the same position (with the same W-L record as a starter), yes, I would. But he isn’t, and I don’t. He’s already under contract, so you’ll get your wish to see him next year. If and when he bumbles his way through a few more losses, I’ll look you up on this subject.
“Arguably had less success” is a laugh. Look at their W-L records, and their TD/INT ratios, and any other measurable indicator of “success” you can think of. Clausen has NO success.
Please, let’s not hash it out again. I’ve put side-by-side comps on them before. It’s moot. If Moore gets another chance, we’ll see about it. Okay?
Yeah this isn't worth hashing out.
We both have valid points, and we can revisit this topic once we have something new. Like Clausen going 4-1 in his next five starts. ;)
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
not this one in particular.
But yeah I’ll have the pot of crow simmering. :)
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 21, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
And the fact is
Moore is nine years younger than Billy V.
Additionally, I’d have instinctual reservations about hiring a man in his mid-late thirties who still goes by “Billy.” Unless he is reeeeeallly country.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
i say dont wait cause if you wait and moore aint the answer then here we go wiff another unbearable season.. it got so bad this yr i stop making time to watch the games cause i alrdy knew the out come.. we dont need another yr like that so in order to keep that from happening we dont have time to sit arround and wait to see what is going to happen.. if moore is going to b the one then he can b the one while we are working with a 4shore shot.. to me that like investing in stocks and your stocks are fallin like flies but u sit on them sayin to yourself i will just wait and see what happens when u have the option to pick a 4sure winning stock..
naw i dont see no reason to sit around and wait, we waited thru a whole season and he didnt show u numfin.. sad party is that he knew he had the job prior to the season starting so he had time to prepare to b the starting job.. i know allot of people think that both qb had been put in a bad situation but let compare matt a 4 yr vet to sum of the new qb draft that have gone out and performed on not much better conditions then him… clausen in a way i can kinda understand but even a rookie qb whom has the potential to b a franchise qb would have cme out with better numbers then he did.. my honest opions about clausen is he threw away too many passes and he just dont have that escape ability of a franchise qb..
these are just my opion.. i keep hearing people say go out and pay money for sumbody to develope the young qb rather then getting a franchise qb to run this team and let the younger qb learn from him.. it doesnt make any since to take a qb that has limited play time that u wouldnt trust to lead the offense to teach sumbody how to lead.. i can imagine apply’n for a management job and they have somebody that has no real exprnce at managing to teach me how do my job.. if i was clausen or pike or who eva they decide to keep i would b insulted if you bring in a 2nd rate or better yet 3rd rate bench warmer to teach me how to b a franchise qb.. i would rather u get a franchise qb that i can sit, observe and learn from..
you people are funny..
by NEXT YEAR PANTHERS PLAYA on Jan 20, 2011 12:00 AM EST up reply actions
The only problem I have with this is if we wait to see with Matt before doing anything
We are absolutely screwed if he isn’t gonna be the answer. He probably won’t be ready for fair evaluation until training camp time. And by that time all the best backup options are off the table. Clausen at least can be given some evaluation early most likely after we get a QB coach since we have an OC already.
That goes back to my question b4,
can they give a qb an interview now? Can they hand him a play book and see what he can do from it? Can any player be signed now anyway due to the cba? I think they have to have a cba b4 they can sign any contracts now that the regular season has ended and i think that is why Richardson said he wouldnt be signing anyone until after they have an agreement. I also assume that means, if they extend this cba 1 more year, its considered an agreement.
Also, do we consider ourselves totally out of the Vince Young market?
If he is going to be released, we should at least bring him in for a look. Talk about young and promising, he has just needed an environment to succeed. I think we just put together a solid group of teaching-oriented coaches, and we have a stable enough front office that we could pull it off.
He has proven to be a winner when he is on the field, I wonder if he could make a positive impact here.
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I think it there could be a valid argument to that.
But I’d want to make sure there would be a sports therapist/psychologist at his disposal. =)
Vince Young scares me.
He’s super-talented, but he’s a head case. I would be leery of signing him because he might go off the deep end. You just never know.
Talent wise, heck yes, sign him up. But he just scares me because of the other stuff.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
+1
Higher risk/reward potential with probably more of a learning curve than the Volek option, but I would be for it.
I’m taking the ABC approach to our QB situation (Anyone but Clausen).
ABC
Sign me up!! I would like to be a charter member of your “ABC” club !!
Jim
by goofygolfer on Jan 19, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
VY=One year contract city
No way you give him any guaranteed money.
The only way I see him getting a contract that fairly compensates his ability ON THE FIELD is if someone gets really desperate for a QB….well, kinda like we are.
The ideal situation for any franchise willing to give him a shot is to sign him to a one or two year deal, similar to what the Eagles did with Vick.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
That's what I was thinking
He will have to realize that he is here to rebuild his image, and prove once and for all that he is NOT a head case. He will also have to do it at a reduced rate, considering the risk on the Panthers part involved.
In my opinion, you sign him to an incentive laden deal which will reward him if he performs on the field and keeps his head above water. Then you evaluate him again after the season and see if he can possibly be your long term answer. If not, you cut bait with him, and we are no worse off than we are now.
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I would not be opposed to that at all.
The guy is a winner, mental condition aside.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
I thought it was too them?
And he just wasn’t supposed to be giving it to them?
The whole "disappearing/suicide alert" situation scares me moreso...
cause he obviously hasn’t matured much since then, so who knows when something similar will happen next? We’ve had enough head cases in our history as it is…
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
That turned out to be his mom concerned and the police blowing nothing up into something.
It turned out he was at his uncles house watching football. That doesnt sound suicidal to me.
When his family is saying that he was emotionally distraught..
I’m inclined to believe…
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
It still turned out that he was watching football at his uncles house.
He had a lot on his mind at the time, who wouldnt. It still turned out to be a false alarm.
and 2 years later, he's still throwing hissy fits...
so yea, there’s definitely still some unresolved issues going on up in that dude’s head, which is a shame…
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think our more stable front office and theoretically "teacher oriented" coaching staff will be good for him
We have the potential to turn a possible head-case here into a franchise QB. The fact is… when Vince Young is on the field, he wins football games. We just have to keep his head straight and him focused on doing just that.
I think we have the setup to do it.
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I think Young is over-rated, by a lot.
Of his 48 starts, (by my quick count), his team has won 30 times. A good ratio, but I think due in large part to Tennessee’s running prowess.
If you look at Young’s numbers, they aren’t dominant, by any means – in fact his YPA (6.8) and QB rating (75.7) are about the same as Moore’s, and lower than others discussed here, who don’t have emotional baggage. He’s thrown 42 TDs, but has 54 turnovers (42 INTs, 12 lost fumbles)
As I recall, his Wonderlik score showed him to be dumb as a brick, and he acts out when things aren’t going his way, and he’s divisive in the locker room. Where’s the value in all that?
To play devil's advocate
He’s improved on his TD% and INT% since coming into the league. His YPA has also steadily improved since his rookie season, and he’s a dual threat QB that averages over five yards per rushing attempt. There’s a lot there to like.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
+1
The fact that his on-field play has improved is what makes him appealing to me. Imagine how much more he could improve in a stable environment with a coaching staff this is putting it’s emphasis on teaching young players.
I just think it’s an option we should not rule out.
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We can say what we want about his Wonderlic
But clearing improving doesn’t make me think he’s “as dumb as a brick”. It seems like he’s pretty receptive to coaching, actually.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather have Cam Newton, and I don't want him, either.
Young has shown improvement, however, as you say.
We’ll see what happens. Just voicing my opinion.
I would rather have Newton, too
But Young could be had for little more than money, whereas Newton would require an early first round pick.
But ultimately I don’t see either player being invited to the dance by JR.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
He didn't throw them AT anyone
A la Brandon Jacobs with his helmet. But he did throw them into the stands in a “take these because I give up” manner.
There are no doubts he would need to see a sports therapist or psychologist before we make any decisions. But he risk/reward factor is HUGE.
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I'm not sure his status as far as contracts go, but wouldn't Sage Rosenfels be a better option?
I remember last season seeing him light it up in Houston. I think we should at least give him a looksie…
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 19, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions
Volek sounds good to me - Clausen, Pike, Newton etc. needs a Mentor
Seems like people are forgetting that rookie QB’s like Clausen and Pike typically are not put on the field their first year or two. Clausen started playing when, week two last year and we see how Clausen’s raw talent took advantage of that situation.(not)
QB coaches do the most training of the QB’s but watching, learning and listening from the sideline is some of the best education a rookie can get. I looked up Volek on YouTube and he actually led the Chargers to a playoff victory on the road in Indy beating the Colts while Phillip Rivers watched from the sideline with an injury. So not only can he “manage” a game but he has the ability to “win” games. Even if we got “lucky” and were able to get Cam Newton late in 2nd or 3rd rd of the draft (if we trade the #1 pick), he would be best suited to learn from the sideline for a year or two. This is the type of veteran QB we need that has the ability to win as well as mentor. Hell why not? What you think were getting McNabb, Young or Palmer? Wake up.
by chazatlas on Jan 19, 2011 12:01 PM EST reply actions
Familiarity
Gantt Tweet:
Chudzinski, Rivera familiar with Volek. Keep that in mind. RT @orygundustin: I think Matt Moore is better than Volek.
Many people here have wondered what players Fox will want to take with him to Denver. Wouldn’t the same be true of RR and Chud?
If you really want to do something, you will find a way. If you don't, you will find an excuse.
If you know how a player can perform
you’re gonna be more likely to use him lol
by Tomthehomer on Jan 19, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
ive said it before
i still think derek anderson is an intriguing possibility. hes young, had success under chudz and should be cheap. doesnt look to be in the mix in arizona. id be happy with volek as well but ive seen d.a. have a pro bowl year under chudz. pluz d.a.‘s 07 stats are on par with volek’s 04 stats…think hes worth consideration
Alex Smith is better
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 4:08 PM EST up reply actions
love it
but i would rather see what denver realisticly wants for orton (i dont know if too many teams are intrested in him and if the super bowl mvp and my favorite player not in a black n blue uni .. santonio holmes… can go for a 5th rounder maybe we can get orton for a 5th rounder) and i know vince young is a bit of a head case but i wouldnt mind giving him a chance if the price is right(like a 7th rounder)
Two groups of FA QBs that I like
Group 1: Mentor and Temporary Plug
1) Marc Bulger
2) Chad Penington
3) Billy Volek
Group 2: Can be a #1 until a Franchise QB is found or available
1) Kyle Orton
2) Vince Young
3) Alex Smith
4) Brady Quinn
5) Matt Moore
Sorry...
I know Orton and Young are not Free Agents, but they are available
by one true fan on Jan 19, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
A little Explanation
I’ll be happy if the Panthers pick either one of the top two in Group 1. Both Bulger and Penington had been solid starters in the league. As mentor, none better suited than them in the available FA market, and as temporary plug, they can definitely contribute if our O-Line can protect them along with a strong running game which I think we’ll get back if we retain D-Will and make improvements in the O-Line via FA and Draft.
I also think we should get a guy in Group 2 since we probably wont draft a QB. I’m ok with anyone of the 5 as long as the price is right. Would not want to give up anything more than a 4th round pick for Orton or Young. If the player from Group 1 is really willing to teach and share his experience, I think both Clausen and the player from Group 2 will really improve which will improve our QB situation.
Won't have to give up a damn thing for Young
Titan’s owner already showed his hand and said he would be released. Fat chance they will be able to trade him now. Everyone would rather let him hit the open market.
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Matt Leinhart
I think one player being left out of the discussion is Matt Leinhart. I wouldn’t mind if we signed Billy Volek that we signed Leinhart too. Here’s what the Houston Coach had to say about him in the last month:
"It’s huge," Kubiak said about Leinart’s upside. "He’s got the ‘it’ factor. People follow him and just watching him come here with us, where he was when he walked in the door, what he had been through and watching the confidence that he’s walking around this building with this past week as we prepared to play our last game, either we’re going to get him or somebody else is going to get a hell of a quarterback. I think he is going to be a fine, fine player."
haha forgot about leinart...
he wouldn’t be much of a risk at this point at least…he knows his career is on the brink.
Forget Moore and Pike
Moore had his chance and was absolutely awful. That’s why Clausen got thrown into the fire so early for a rookie. Pike will not be an NFL QB, as CB’s will pick him off as his ball floats through the air. I think Clausen still has possibilities with a the new coaches, but it’s put up or shut up time. I think Volek is a great alternative. He doesn’t have the name like McNabb or Leinart, but he will either win the job or be a great backup in case of injury or ineffectiveness with Clausen. I also would love to trade for Kolb, but I don’t think the price will be right.
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