Panthers QB Matt Moore Gives Injury Rehab Update
by Jaxon on Jan 18, 2011 10:13 PM EST
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PrintPanthers QB Matt Moore posted a new piece on his website about the 2010 season, his rehab status and his desire to stay in Charlotte. After waxing poetic about having to play young players, he conveniently skips over the first part of the season and starts his season recap with game seven:
I felt we had a nice comeback win against the Niners in Week 7, then the next week we lost a tough one to the Rams. The following week we were playing the Saints tough, everybody was getting into it and we were feeling pretty good. Unfortunately for me, I went down in the second quarter.
Hey I can't blame him for wanting to forget those first six games. It was rough...and I have about 8 more I'd like to forget...but I digress.
He does give us a positive update on his rehab:
So will Moore be back in electric blue? I can't imagine he will and here is why. I fully expect the Panthers to sign a vet to back-up/compete with Clausen (or another young or rookie QB). That leaves the 3rd string job for Moore and probably Tony Pike to compete. Well certainly another team will offer Moore a chance to be a back-up and probably throw more money at him than the 3rd stringer offer he;s bound to get from us. Especially since he;s coming off a tedious injury like a torn labrum. Moore backs no bones about where his heart lies though:My injury was a torn labrum in my right shoulder. I’m actually doing really well. I’m nine weeks out of surgery, my mobility is good and I’m getting my strength back. The Panthers trainers are doing a great job of getting me back to where I need to be. When I initially suffered the injury, I knew something was wrong. The most pain came in the first four days after the surgery. That was tough, I had never had surgery before. After that it was just a lot of ice and I started to feel better. The past 5-6 weeks I’ve felt great.
Obviously I would love to stay in Carolina. But nothing will be set in motion until some other things are sorted out. So I’m just hanging in there, getting my shoulder better and hoping we can work something out.
Those are very true words about the CBA coming before any free agent decisions. I do wish Moore the best of luck though. I wouldn't write him off just yet. He's just on his 5th season and could easily bounce back and become a good back-up QB or maybe more.
Oh...one last quote from the article that caused a funny thought to pop in my head, regarding having to sit and watch the rest of the season due to injury:
I got to see Jimmy play and watch how he handled different situations. I kind of played the game in my head from the sidelines just to stay in it.
That's about as PC as you could describe watching Clausen and the Panthers offense this season. I bet when Moore was calling plays in his head they were much better ones than what Davidson was calling during the game! Just a guess...
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I read this on his blog a little while ago
I really hopes that he gets his arm rehabbed and fixed. Even though it’s really probably not going to happen, I’d love to see him back in a Panther jersey next year..
It's such a far cry
From how we felt about him last year. But if he wants to be back, I say they should work something out.
Go Panthers
One year ago today, I posted this thread on CSR - I still believe it today.
http://www.catscratchreader.com/2010/1/18/1257164/matt-moore-comparisons
Never could figure out how people here could be so forgiving to Clausen, who’s shown nothing, and so damning of Moore.
So much stands in the way of his being re-signed here. But if his shoulder’s healed, and the new staff gives him a chance, I’m betting he takes advantage of it. No need to argue about it; it’s out of our control.
I don't think he should come back.
He’s not going to be the guy here in Carolina, he’s going to be behind Clausen and a vet. He’s better off going somewhere else and trying to make his way there. I think he could be a decent QB somewhere, along the lines of Ryan Fitzpatrick or Shaun Hill.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 18, 2011 10:52 PM EST reply actions
I dunno if he would get a shot anywhere outside Carolina
He wasn’t exactly lighting the world on fire pre-injury, and now he is coming off what is typically a career killer. I think his best recourse might be to try and find his way here in Charlotte, even if it means 3rd string.
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I think he could find a spot, perhaps Dallas would take him back (kitna for moore?). Cincinnatti might take someone to back up Palmer, maybe even relieve him if he struggles?
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Well now, that's interesting...
If you think Dallas would trade Kitna for Matt Moore…
why don’t you want Moore to be a Panther anymore?
Do they know less about evaluating talent than you do?
I just think it's better for him to move on.
He might be able to find a starting job quicker somewhere else. Unless he wants to go somewhere where he’s not the guy, in which case here might be decent. But there are two major problems I see from the Panthers end. One, the shoulder injury. We won’t know it’s effects on him for quite some time, and by then a vet QB will likely have passed us by. And two, he’s not qualified to fill the mentoring role we need. When you factor everything in, it just makes sense that he won’t be here next year.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
this is all speculation, but realistically I would think...
likely,
1.Vet
2.Clausen as backup to watch and learn. (like it would matter, he’s not starter material).
3.Pike
4. Moore signs to another team as a backup. (starting material with some better coaching).
Who knows though, with the whole new coaching regime and the fact that Clausen blew just like I knew he would when they wasted a draft pick on getting him. Hell, they might bring back St. Pierre and Null for all we know.
by voodoochild on Jan 18, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Like your chart
Agreed on the chart as well b.c. Panthers have invested draft picks and money (although not that much money) in T. Pike and J. Clausen where as Moore was claimed from the Cowboys in the final roster cutdowns during the last week of the preseason a couple of years ago.
I would luv if he went to Dallas and be out T. Romo for the starting job in a year or two however. Still I wish him all the best and good speed.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 18, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
i can't see him NOT resigning back in the NFL
God, I would much rather have Moore come back and Clausen leave whether it’s 1st, 2nd, or 3rd string.
The dude did pretty well in 07, lit the world on fire in 09, and tanked in 10 except for the 49ers game. He still has more good on his record than bad. Also, the outside world (non Panthers) is well aware of the “lack of experience” on the whole Panther offense, not to mention that the Panthers aren’t known for coaching up QBs well (Delhomme was just OK at his best).
He made his mistakes, no argument there, but he had no protection, the receivers hadn’t really come along yet, and the play calling sucked. People use that 1st and 3rd excuse to defend Clausen all the time, but Clausen really made too many mistakes that he could have improved on and never did. In Comparison, based on mistakes based soley on the QB, Moore is a lot better.
by voodoochild on Jan 18, 2011 11:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
I was never a huge fan of Moore as a QB but as a person he is a wonderful guy. I personally would like to wish him all the best in his recovery from a very serious injury in a torn shoulder labrum.
Agreed with some of the above posting that he could be a decent QB such as a poor man’s S. Hill provided he goes somewhere that he can learn behind better coaching and with a team that is not in the second year 2011 of a three year rebuilding process.
Good Luck Mr. Moore.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 18, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
well said
I created an account just to reply to this. I’ve been following CSR for quite some time and it’s a fantastic community. I just wanted to say that I still believe that Matt Moore can be a good QB. We’re looking for a vet QB right? How many more years in the NFL does Moore need to be around in order to be considered a vet? You don’t go through 4-5 years without picking up some meaningful experiences… not to mention that he played behind a vet in Delhomme (and Vinny, and shudder David Carr). When you pop in the tape, I don’t think there’s any question… I haven’t broken down the statistics, but I felt like the offense moved down the field with more ease when Matt Moore was under center.
In our lives and in our careers, whatever we have decided to pursue, we celebrate our successes and we try to endure through our faults. I’m not ready to throw Moore or Clausen under the bus yet. Judging anyone based on this season is, in my opinion, incredibly premature.
I’m not saying I’m against bringing in a FA acquisition… I just feel like our community wants so badly to have someone like Manning or Brady or Rodgers or Brees on the roster… These QBs are great for a reason. They are few and far between. If winning a championship hinges on having a superstar QB, then I’m afraid I’m going to be waiting a long time.
I don’t care who suits up on Sunday. I don’t care if we’re 15-0 or 0-15, I’m still going to be glued to my TV on week 17 with just about the same intensity. I don’t know how else to be a fan other than to cheer everyone on and look for signs of progress.
Sorry, went on a bit of a tangent.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Jan 18, 2011 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
You should feel kind of special
BigD, who is IMO the wisest person here on CSR just complemented you.
Here's something interesting about CSR.
When you get 3 recs….your comment turns OMFG ITS GREEN!
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I think Moore, even though he’s got a few years in the NFL, isn’t a vet yet. I think he needs a full season or two as a starter to be considered a vet QB…
Matt Cassel wasn’t but he’s an anomaly.
Aaron Rodgers sat behind Favre for 3 seasons so a comparison isn’t fair there either.
I think Moore did well when he ran the hurry up offense. Other than that, he kind of sucked… same as Clausen and Pike and St Pierre.
I respectfully disagree with your assessment. According to the NFLPA, the average career of an NFL player is 3.3 years. I don’t believe you need to be a starter in order to consider yourself a veteran. Backups practice and study just like starters do. They don’t get as many reps on the practice field but they still work hard and learn.
Moore did perform well in the hurry up offense. However, he also moved the ball from 20 to 20 fairly well. Unfortunately, his decision making in the red zone was disappointing. I still believe that the mistakes he made are correctable. If we let him go, I expect another team to take a chance on him and one day he’ll become a good starting QB. If and when that day arrives, we’ll kick ourselves for letting him go, IMHO.
by Fernando De La Cruz on Jan 19, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
Ah, poor Matt Moore...he's in that netherworld, between not having played enough games to be a "vet," yet having been in the league for 4 calendar years (though injured for 1 1/2 of those)
Unless and until he were to start and play well for a year, he’d forever be dismissed for one or the other reason.
Yes, he did do well with the hurry-up offense, and that’s because he’s capable enough to read defenses and call adjustments at the line, which JC isn’t and isn’t. I called for us to increase those alignments last year, when Moore was back. It helped immensely to be able to keep the defenses from over-loading the line.
Very good post.
I especially like the part where you said that judging anyone on this season is premature. It’s one year. However I think rather than sign a vet some of us want a mentor, someone who can teach our younger guys the ropes and give them some tips and tricks of the trade. They obviously know what it takes if they’ve stuck around so long. And they’re more approachable than a QB coach. Moore self admittedly doesn’t fill this role. Is he potentially a decent QB? Absolutely, but right now i just don’t see how he fits.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
Great guy
But he is not coming back to the Panthers. I for one think he has a better skill set that Clausen. Hes taller, arm is stronger, etc… But we spent a 2nd round pick on Clausen and the team is not going to throw him away anytime soon because of that. They will bring a vet, Clausen will be 2nd string and I expect Pike to be third on the depth chart. Really just flat out sucks for Moore and us, but “it is what it is.”
by passthedamnchipsdavidson on Jan 18, 2011 11:47 PM EST reply actions
I for one hope
Moore is invited back this coming up season. I’ve always had a soft spot for players from Cali, players on the Panthers of course! I still believe with the right guidance and coaching, he can be better than what he showcased at the end of 2009. You have to take into account that he had Rip Scherer(however you spell it) as QB coach, and after he took over and tried to tweak Delhomme’s mechanics he started throwing all those INTs. I strongly believe it was Scherer’s misguidance that led(to some extent) to Moore not playing as well. I’m still holding some hope for the guy to remain a Panther. Either way, I hope anyone who lines up under center has success. Be it Matt Moore or not.
To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 19, 2011 12:31 AM EST reply actions
Random thought not pertaining to Moore.
But I really think Alex Smith deserves a second look by anyone that needs a QB this offseason. Everyone remembers him being horrible early and then his injury, but he’s rebounded to post respectable numbers the past two years. Over his past 22 games, he’s completed 60% of his passes for 4,720 yards, 32 touchdowns, 22 interceptions, and a QB rating right around 82. When adjusted to a 16 game season, that would put him at 3,105 yards, 23 touchdowns, and 16 interceptions.
Those numbers make him comparable to Kyle Orton, a player that several of us, myself included, have said we wouldn’t mind having. So in Alex Smith there’s a comparable player that is younger and won’t cost draft picks to acquire.
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Ehhhhhhhhhh. I can jump on board that. Yeah!
I don’t think Alex Smith can be our Franchise guy, but as far as a good QB that can get us a decent season? Sure! I can dig it.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Oh yeah, by no means do I think he's a franchise guy.
And to be honest, the stats surprised me. I was running stats on a list of free agent QBs and I almost skipped over him, but now I’m kinda glad I didn’t. He’d be a good option to bring in to battle with Jimmy for the starting QB spot, and with those stats I’d have to consider him to be the favorite.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
it's cause SF has shafted him pretty hard after the injury..
he had that awful rookie season, then bounced back the next year and then the injury happened; I bet Smith would post better numbers with our offense than with the niners (some bias there :p)
And that's understandable because he does have the stigma of a "draft bust"
But if you want John Kitna, or Shaun Hill, or Kyle Orton, then you want Alex Smith too. The numbers he’s put up over the past two years are very similar to those three, he won’t require draft pick compensation, and he’s got over 50 games of NFL experience as a 26 year-old.
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by Jake Humphrey on Jan 19, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Glad it's going well for him.
He’s going to need that arm for TC. Some team is going to need a scrub to throw balls to their receivers when the starter (and backups) get tired.
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On Matt’s blog, “I’ve played through two torn labrums at the same time sonny boy!”. No, in all seriousness, Matt will find another job as a quarterback if not in Carolina. In the current state of the NFL, if St. Pierre and Testeverde can find jobs, a QB with experience under 30 will definately find a job. It doesn’t matter his win/loss record, teams need warm bodies, especially with the probability of 18 games next season.
by Scotch on the Prowl on Jan 19, 2011 7:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Moore is as classy as they come, and I really hope he gets another shot in the NFL... but I think it's going to be hard for him
I just don’t know if that shot should come with the Carolina Panthers. I don’t know where he fits into this puzzle. We know what Ron Rivera wants… he wants Philip Rivers, and by this I mean he wants a true, legitimate, franchise QB.
We’re not sure if either Clausen or Pike can be anything close to that, but because they’re under contract they’ll get the chance to at least try and make a case for themselves. I don’t really see the need from Carolina’s end to bring in any QB who isn’t either a veteran mentor, or someone they believe is a future franchise QB.
As we sit here in January I’m not confident that either Clausen or Pike can become that franchise QB Rivera is looking for if he truly wants a top 10 QB, but I’m not confident Moore can become one either.
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by James Dator on Jan 19, 2011 7:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I don't see why moore and another vet can't both be brought in...
we all like matt, but the reality is we can’t solely depend on him and clausen running the QB battle in TC again; bring in another vet, see what all three can do…maybe Matt shines and shows that he’s recovered, or maybe he shows that he may have to wait a lil while before coming back (or worst case…he tears it again). I posted earlier I don’t think he has any delusions about his current value and that he’ll take a low risk, high reward contract if we offer it to him (or just a low risk one…I’m sure he’ll appreciate the opportunity no matter)
Of course we're all just talking through our hats here...
No way we know whether Moore will even be ABLE to play again. Nor do we have a clue from what the new coaching staff will be thinking (we don’t even have a QB coach yet, FGS) So any opinion on the matter is as good as another.
I’d be happy if Moore were healthy and able to compete for the job that was his, along with Clausen, Pike (they’re both under contract – but on the other hand, it wouldn’t bother or surprise me if the new staff gave up on both of them, and let them go), and Orton, Hill, or Alex Smith, if they were thought promising for the offense that is yet to be designed.
I just want to SEE some scoring potential, for a change.
Yet you think they should bring in the 34 yr-old, 6'2" Billy Volek.
Does that mean you’re more confident that he can become one?
I'm not getting into yet another QB pissing match, it's played and tired at this point
I don’t really see the need from Carolina’s end to bring in any QB who isn’t either a veteran mentor, or someone they believe is a future franchise QB.
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by James Dator on Jan 19, 2011 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry. Simple question - dismissive answer.
But not off-topic, was it?
We Want Moore
Matt is a good QB that deserves to stay in Carolina, I read CSR daily and I constantly see people saying give Jimmy another shot, he had a bad O-line or bad play calling. Well Matt Moore had that same bad O line and same bad play calling and he did alot more with it than Jimmy. For example the Giants game he moved the ball down the field and because of horrible play calling threw some picks in the end zone. I say make Jimmy the back up and let Moore start, trade Tony Pike to somebody like Tennesse or Indy. IMO we can go alot further with Matt than we ever will with Jimmy Pickles.
You mean Moore did a lot less, right?
Unless handing the ball to the other team is seen as a positive.
He’s not good enough to start in this league. We should be looking to bring in a veteran to compete with Clausen. Moore simply isn’t that guy.
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A vet to compete with Clausen?
Moore killed Clausen in that petition last season. Clausen went over half a season and didnt improve 1 bit. I would take BSP over Clausen at this point. He came in from tending to a baby & in 4 days did a better job than Clausen did with a whole season of practice. I think they need to see how Moore heals and try him out, just as i have been saying all season since he got injured.
How so? He threw back to back pick sixes to lose the game.
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Also...
And I’m not arguing to keep BSP…
But he did throw an 88 yard TD bomb to Gettis to tie for the second longest passing play in franchise history.
That he did
but I don’t think he’d be the type of mentor Clausen and Pike need. We need a Vet who’s seen a lot and not only gotten through the bad, but lived through the good as well. He could mentor our QBs about how to deal with both sides of the spectrum for a QB.
To Many, Many winning seasons under our new coach Ron Rivera! And may we win a few Super Bowls along the way to becoming a Dynasty!!!
by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 19, 2011 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That wasn't a competition.
Moore was the guy from the moment Delhomme was out of town. He just choked.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 19, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Have you ever choked?
Would you want to be given another chance?
Funny that he “choked” and Clausen is just this poor widdle wookie. Awww. Ain’t he cute?.
Clausen can't "choke" when there weren't sky high expectations of him.
And yeah I’d want another chance, and I want one for Moore too. I want the best chance for Moore to become a QB that’s possible to give him. But it isn’t here.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 20, 2011 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
it would be pretty retarded* to judge any of our skill players on this season. While I will agree with what most say, “coaches draw up the plan but it’s up to the players to execute,” we [read: the coaching staff] were extremely failing in the “coaches draw up the plan..” portion.
Moore underperformed and Clausen underperformed (Hi rookie, meet NFL speed and d-schemes), as well as everyone else. However, the onus shouldn’t be solely on the QBs for the shite demonstration they gave us in 2010. It starts at the foundation: coaching. Fox (still a fan of him, but his time was done here in NC), Davidson and Scherer – all just didn’t prepare the team. Whomever was in charge or had final say on the offensive side of the ball ate an entire bag of d***s, colloquially speaking.
I do put some blame on Moore/Clausen – because, after all they were the ones attempting to execute the (poorly designed) plan. However, I don’t think it’s fair to say purge Moore and/or Clausen because their 2010 season was less-than-stellar.
We need a vet backup to push/tutor Clausen. Is that person Moore? Well – considering his sideline cheer-leading, it didn’t appear to make much difference in Clausen’s play or learning curve. Personally, I’d like to see someone else brought in through FA to be a vet backup, let Moore sign a 3rd string tender if he wants to stay in Carolina. As for Pike, I’d settle on dropping him to the PS, or perhaps we can turn a 6th rounder into a 3rd, 4th, or 5th to anyone interested in a QB project.
As Neil says, that’s just my 2 cents on it :)
(* – I do apologize to anyone if the comment ‘retarded’ offended anyone who is dealing with a true mental handicap. I never meant to denigrate you. Oh and denigrate means to speak damagingly of, or “put down.”)
yeaaa I don't think Pike would fetch much in terms of value right now...
might as well just keep him on PS and go from there
by Tomthehomer on Jan 20, 2011 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Pike has PS eligibility, so I expect him to go there.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
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