Panthers Beason Laments 2010's Lessons Learned
The Panthers Pro Bowl LB Jon Beason posted on his blog today a piece he titles 'What We Learned' about the 2010 season. He has a slightly different take on a couple issues I thought worth pointing out and discussing. The first one is a lesson I hope we don;t have to experience any time soon, the thrill of only a couple victories among too many defeats to count:
You definitely appreciate those wins more when they come, and you value those opportunities when you get to play in meaningful football games.
How long has it been since we played in a meaningful game? Early 2009? Maybe the 2010 season opener? Technically you could say the first 8 games of 2010 were meaningful but honestly, after that poor season opener it was hard to realistically think we were challenging for anything. The fact Jon is pointing this out says he is a 'realist' in my view, another sign of Beason's leadership qualities. This guy wants to get back to playing meaningful games.
Beason then points to the Falcons and correlates their 13-3 to the fact they didn't make their first roster move until week 17! Wow...reminds me of the Panthers 2008 season when we remained fairly healthy practically all season. He contrasts that with the 2010:
On the other hand, we started out with a lot of injuries and got hit hard at offensive line, receiver, running back, D-line and linebacker, especially. We were always banged up. That made us a very young team, and I don’t care how talented you are, in this league it takes experience to know how to prepare to win football games.
But didn't Richardson just say he wanted the young guys to get on the field? Something tells me Big Cat was not referring to the rookies!
He next moves to his position switch and gives big props to Dan Connor for the defenses early season success. But you can tell he laments the fact his role was essentially marginalized to a degree..
For me, moving out of the middle was something I did to help the defense be successful. My No. 1 goal is to win football games, that’s why I made the move. A lot of people might look at it and say it was not a success. It gave other teams the opportunity to scheme around me, and as a leader it was hard for me to lead without being as productive as I had become accustomed to being. I was doing my job, but not making as many plays.
He sounds like a guy that wants to stay in the middle. This has to be one of Rivera's biggest decisions to make and that is how to keep Beason in the middle and keep Connor on the field. Beason even agrees Connor is best only suited for the Mike:
Dan proved that he is a very solid football player who can play at a very high level. It would be very hard to keep a guy like that if he’s not playing the Mike...If we all stay together, great. If not, I know those guys are going to make a lot of money and go on to be successful.
It almost sounds like Beason is saying "Hey, it's either him or me because I don't want to move back to WLB". Wasn't the WLB supposed to be the play maker position of the LB core in a Cover 2? If we are set with Anderson back at SLB then it makes signing Thomas Davis a priority if neither Beason or Connor is suitable for WLB. Definitely one of the more intriguing positions to watch this off-season.
Beason finishes with a vote of confidence to his new Head Coach. By the way, notice how many times people look to Chris Harris for a recommendation?
He’s an upstanding guy with a great personality and I hear he has one of the better football minds in the game. That was further validated by Chris Harris, who played safety for him in Chicago. We talked about Coach Rivera a few times and how he did things in Chicago, and Chris never had anything negative to say. I think he’s going to be a great head coach.
Rivera would do well to reach out to his Pro Bowl LB and get to know him before the lock out...just saying.
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I forget who said it earlier (forgive me)
But put Connor on the short list of guys Fox might want in Denver.
I couldn’t agree more with Rivera and Beason bonding. Something tells me that Rivera’s past as a SB winning linebacker will be good for Beason to bounce ideas off.
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What is Connor's contract status?
Is he someone we could use as trade leverage for Orton possibly? Fox is going to want to rebuild that defense into a 4-3, and Connor would be an ideal cog for that transition. We can stand to lose Connor, because no matter how good he has been, we all want Beason back in the middle, and Connor is to good to be relegated to backup duty all season.
Knowing Fox, the prospect of getting a key MLB would be a fair trade to him for a backup QB. I say we inquire about a one for one trade once the dust settles.
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Knowing Fox, the prospect of getting a key MLB would be a fair trade to him for a backup QB. I say we inquire about a one for one trade once the dust settles.
Connor is a starter on about 3/4 of the teams in the league. A 1 for 1 trade would be a fair deal in my assessment. They get a young and talented MLB, and we get a middle aged QB who has shown he can be productive. Both guys get off their respective benches and get a shot at actually starting on a new team.
I’d hate to see Connor go, but this to me would be a good deal.
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The only QB we should be trading for is...
Matt Flynn. He has a high probability of success as a starting QB. Watch the game footage when the Packers played the Patriots. He was fantastic!
We're not going after Matt Flynn.
There is just no way. Doesn’t fit the mold of what we need right now. I’m not knocking the guy or his skills, he certainly has some.
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You can also watch the game footage of Matt Moore and think he is the answer. Orton has played for several years and you can see his full body of work.
You cannot look at one game and say he is amazingly good. One game doesn’t mean anything. Even Moore played decently against the Patriots… is he the answer? No, he isn’t.
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You are forgiven...lol
It’s a solid probability that Fox will want some of the players that he helped to groom join him in Denver.
I for one think that Beason is best at the Mike position. He’s fantastic there and I suspect keeping him happy is best for all parties involved.
I saw you make a post that the Panthers should trade for Greg Olsen in Chicago. Is Olsen really that good of a blocker? I’ve read comments about him being more of a pass catching TE. I didn’t look into the validity of the claim. That was being said when the Bears signed Manumaleuna at TE last offseason. What would you be willing to give up in return for Olsen?
Let me put it this way: Greg Olsen isn’t a blocker up to John Fox and Mike Martz standard, but he’s better than say… Dante Rosario.
What would I give up for Olsen? Unless Chicago had their eyes on any of our mid-range players like Connor then I think a third rounder would be fair compensation.
Also, a dark horse in any trade scenario in Chicago would be Steve Smith. If Smitty wants to go to a contender to close out his career then Chicago fits the bill, furthermore, despite the 960 yards this season from Johnny Knox the Bears don’t have another reliable receiver. Smith would take them to the next level and Olsen would help us greatly. In this scenario I think Steve Smith and our 3rd rounder for Greg Olsen and their 2nd rounder would be a workable trade for both sides.
We really just move from the top of the third to the 20s in the second, but sometimes that’s enough and if Smitty already wants out Chicago would be a good landing spot for him.
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I don't like the Smith scenario.
Although, it does look exactly like a Marty Hurney trade. Once again, the Panthers would be getting the short end of a trade. If we were moving up about 10 more spots in the 2nd, I might feel a little better about it. As it stands, we just don’t get enough value out of the movement.
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If they give up...
their 1st rounder for our third…I could live with that. It might be an option depending on how far they go in the playoffs. They may believe that they can get a great lineman in the 2nd round. Who knows…but I’m sure that Martz would love to have Smitty.
I’d hate to see him go.
I don't like trading for Greg Olson. In my view, the talent you gain is underwhelming than the 3rd round pick you give up for him.
Trading for Steve Smith? Eh. Who does that leave us with? Two underwhelming receivers in Lafell and Gettis that isn’t going to draw any double coverages. I want my Steve Smith statue outside the stadium.
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Beason is the heart and soul of this defense
Time and time again he proves how important he is to this team and the defensive psyche. How many defensive guys do you know that spend their offseason writing narratives on their blog about the past season, and reflecting on it? It is healthy behavior to do so. It shows a desire to always be the best, and we should feel lucky to have that in the middle of our D.
I think Rivera and Beason will hit it off. Beason and Rivera seem to share a similar passion for just playing football, and Rivera being a former linebacker certainly helps. Something about that bond that players can forge, whether current of former, is special.
Is someone like Singletary out of the question for DC? He’s just another guy who may not be a great head coach, but he can sure coach and fire up a defense. Imagine two former linebackers leading this D… they would be fired up every game.
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I hope that Beast is a guy who retires as a Panther after playing a solid 14 years or so with us. I love the guys passion for the game. A true competitor who leaves it all on the field.
What more could you want from a football player?
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No that would be f’in awesome. Better than having even Chris Harris on here.
I am looking forward to you getting that done Jaxon. ;)
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I have seen people saying they want Smith to retire a Panther too
then a year or 2 later theyre talking about trade him while he has any value. A lot of Panther fans just want winning players on the team and dont care if they retire a Panther.
Notice the trams we talk about trading Smith to
Bears, Packers, NE. These are all SB caliber teams that have a piece we need and can all use Smitty.
Like MMA says, we want him to stay, but he has earned the right to ask to leave without hard feelings. And I’m sure we would still resign him to retire here.
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I want Smitty to get what Moose didn't
Moose left Carolina and went to a Superbowl with Chicago, but they couldn’t get it done. I want him to be able to leave on good terms, get a ring and return to Carolina to retire.
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Moose and Smitty had a superbowl here as well
We also couldn’t get it done in the last 2 minutes…..
One of the few times......
I’ve ever heard you speak like a fan. Nice to see. :)
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To clarify....
I know that you are a huge, passionate, Panthers fan. It’s just that you are usually diplomatic in your responses to things like this. It’s a good thing. Didn’t want you to take it the wrong way.
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id love Steve Smith to retire a panther but if he wants out for a chance to contend for a superbowl elsewhere then he has more then earned his right to demand a trade. He has been our offense for many years and we have had many years to find him help and failed to do so. I wouldn’t blame him if he felt now was the time to get out while he still has some great years left in him. Now if he decides to stay and light it up on Sundays like he has done for so many years then id be ecstatic but if he isn’t confident in Jimmy or whoever we bring it at QB and our new offense direction then its only fair to trade him to a contender for compensation. It would be a sad sad day in Panthers history but it would be the noble thing to do.
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2011 7:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Smith's Jersey
is the only jersey that I’d be willing to retire and put it in a display case in my home for the whole world to see. Even in his slump years, more than half of my uncles, and cousins said they’d be ecstatic to have someone like Smitty on their team. The guy, no doubt is the greatest Panther player ever to suit up. I’d love for him to get a super bowl and be considered up there with all the greats, where we all know he deserves to be mentioned.
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by Panther4Life!!! on Jan 14, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Think about 3-4 defense
If we switched to a 3-4 defense then we could get both on the field. You add Anderson and Davis then who would have a better linebackers than us? Nobody. Also by decreasing the amount of linemen needed we could help our defensive line in that way using the same personnel we have. Given this sceniario we are now free to draft Green for offense and sign a coulpe of freeagents to fill depth and holes. We could be back in one season to being a playoff team. Just a thought.
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Our entire front 7 are too small for the 3-4.
Sure, you could make Brown and Hardy OLB’s, but that’s about it. Not sure if they could handle the run stopping assignments though.
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switching from 4-3 to 3-4 takes more then a wave of a magic wand and one season. our new HC said himself we are set for the 4-3 and that is what he is sticking with. No offense to you but im going to take his words over you. Him being a Defensive coach and all
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
to pitbull - he said that on his first day on the job, not making waves.
No offense taken but If I have to be a defensive coach and all to say this then none of us should comment on anything.
I think once he looks at tape of our team and if we draft Fairly it could be done.
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Why would you make those two OLB?
You have Anderson and Davis as OLB. My point is that we have a great linebackers and we can put four on the field. We are just a little smaller for a 3-4 defense but we make up for it with speed. Plus if we draft Fairly he is 6-5 298. He would be fine sitting in the middle of the line. This is SD compared to ours.
SD defense front
6-2 295, 6-4 320, 6-3 290 = avg 6-3 301
6-3 250, 6-1 235, 6-3 240, 6-3 258 = 6-3 245
Carolina
6-2 275, 6-6 280, 6-4 292, 6-2 290 = 6-3 284
6-2 235, 6-0 233, 6-2 231, 6-0 240 = 6-1 235
I think we could do it and be good at it.
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Beason is a class act all the way.
There is not a single defensive player in the NFL I’d rather have on this team. Seriously, I would turn down any trade offers for this guy. He is the Carolina Panthers personified.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 10:52 AM EST reply actions
Indeed
Beason represents the exact type of situation where the Panthers FO needs to offer to pay the man…. I’m not sure what his contract status is, but I don’t want to be having the ’let’s put the franchise tag on Beason and trade him while his value is still high’ argument that we are having with Williams currently and Peppers in the past.
by MindMachine on Jan 14, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Beason is our leader if we do that to him then ol JR needs to croak
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
and i like JR but if there was ever a man we need to pay its Beason
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
I hear ya
It’s just happened a few times now where we see a player show a ton of talent mid-way through their contract and instead of offering them the extension they wait until the contract runs out, I think they should have offered Williams an extension after the 2008 or 2009 season.
by MindMachine on Jan 14, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
or traded him this season when the iron was hot. Now he could walk to Denver if our RB coach bolts and we get screwed again
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by MMA_PITBULL on Jan 14, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly, if the Panthers front office does that to Beason, I might just have to find a new team.
I love the Panthers and I have been a faithful follower since their inception, but if Richardson drags him around by the purse strings and doesn’t sign him to a multi-year deal, I might have serious reservations about this team in the future. I think to us fans, it’s more than just a “business”. Players like Beason only come around once in a generation. He thrives in the leadership role and portrays this team with class and dignity. If Hurney and Richardson can’t see his value, I’m not so sure I will want to support their team any longer.
Of course, I will remain a die-hard fan until that happens… I’m just saying…
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Beason is our leader if we do that to him then ol JR needs to croak
Beason being a leader is why Richardson would probably want to keep him. Remember, our problems with Peppers started when he was called out by Richardson to step up and run the D. A few years later and a rookie LB walks into the locker room and becomes the guy Richardson wanted all along.
Unless he pisses of Rivera, I don’t think Beast is going anywhere.
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