Panther Fan JKP Mock Draft V2
by jkp1516 on Jan 13, 2011 8:50 AM EST
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It's only about 106 days away, and I can't wait. It's what I go to sleep thinking about and what I think about in my free time. Now that we've named a new Head Coach, it only further spurs my interest and fascination with the draft. In my last mock, I had the Panthers picking AJ Green. In this mock, I still have the Panthers picking AJ Green, although just about everything else is different. This mock draft will hopefully shed light on other prospects out there who could be targeted by the Panthers, and demonstrate potential situations that could happen come draft day.
2011 Carolina Panthers Mock Draft
Round 1, Pick One: AJ Green, WR, UGA
Panthers pass on Nick Fairley, sorry ya’ll. Yes, new head coach Ron Rivera is a defensive minded coach, however the defense is more solid than the placid, 32nd ranked offense. Although Fairley is given some serious consideration due to his breakout year, he simply isn’t worth the number one pick. Additionally, most defensive tackles taken this early rarely produce to prove their worth (i.e. Gerald McCoy) and Fairley is no exception (his ability to dominate in the pros is very uncertain). The Panthers must find a way to lift this offense out of the dumpster, which in turn will assist the defense. Owner Jerry Richardson also wants an exciting offense to bring crowds back to Bank of America stadium, and so the Panthers must go offense.
Touted as the best WR prospect since Calvin Johnson, AJ Green is just too good of a prospect to give up. In a few years, this guy very well may be a Pro Bowler! Comparable to Randy Moss as a wide receiver, Green is worth the number one pick. Sophomores LaFell and Gettis look promising, however there’s no guarantee that they will be serious contributors and scare opposing defenses. Green is brought in just for that, to eventually take over Steve Smith’s role as the dominant number one WR who commands double teams and gives opposing D Coordinators nightmares. Standing 6-4 and running somewhere in the 4.4 range, Green is a tall, fast WR who has the potential to be Pro Bowl material in a few years, and Panthers would be absolute fools to miss out on him.
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Oh, and yes that is Patrick Peterson in the picture, struggling to guard Green. I added this picture to emphasize just how good AJ Green is. Playing against LSU, Green has had games of both 89 yds and a TD, and 99 yds and a TD.
Round 3, Pick 65: Kyle Rudolph, TE, Notre Dame
You're probably thinking, no way he makes it this far, am I right? Well, in the past few years, some Tight Ends (Gresham, Pettigrew, and Keller) were taken in the first round, but they also had serious production in college and Rudolph just hasn't lit it up like that. Because of that, he's going to fall, and will probably land somewhere 2nd-3rd, where most promising TEs do. Injury concerns and his inability to exceed 300 yards in a season caution teams from taking him too early.
Being that new head coach Ron Rivera really wants to reinvent the tight end in the Carolina offense, he needs a star TE in the mold of Wesley Walls. Rudolph has the potential to be such a stud TE. He’s big, fast, catches everything, and already has a connection with Panthers QB Jimmy Clausen. At this position in the draft, he’s the best player available, and he fills a large need for the Panthers. Along with 1st rounder AJ Green, this offense just got a whole lot more dangerous.
Round 3, Pick 97: Marcus Cannon, OT/G, TCU
The beauty of the 2011 draft is that there is a glut of good offensive tackles. Additionally, there is an uncertainty to who is the better prospect, and each scout seems to rank the OT class differently. Whether it be Solder, Carimi, Cannon, or whoever, one of the better offensive tackles is most likely going to fall in the draft, and the Panthers should benefit from this.
With the Panthers 3rd round compensation pick, acquired from the loss of Julius Peppers, the Panthers pounce on a falling top OT/G prospect. In this case, it is Marcus Cannon, a large, athletic tackle, whose future might be better suited at guard at the next level, although he just may be able to play OT. With the uncertainty surrounding OT Jeff Otah, it’s wise for the Panthers to get a quality OT/G like Cannon. If Otah can’t return from his knee problems, then Cannon may be able to step up. And in the case that Otah returns, Cannon’s presence is even better because it affords the Panthers versatility along the offensive line. With Cannon, Otah could play OG if need be, or Cannon could slide in. Either way, the Panthers must get someone to help block for Double Trouble and Jimmy Clausen.
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Round 4, Pick 98: Jarvis Jenkins, DT, Clemson
After the Panthers first three picks went to help their anemic offense, the Panthers must not neglect their defense. And the area that most needs fixing on the defensive side is the defensive interior, as the Panthers have had trouble stopping running backs and applying pressure to the QB from the interior. Fairley, Dareus, Paea, Nevis, Austin, Casey, and Powe are all gone by this time and the next best thing is Clemson DT Jarvis Jenkins. Listed at 6-4, 315, Jenkins is a bull in the middle. His forte is run stopping, as he accounted for 69 stops, 11 TFL in 2009, and 2 sacks in 2009. Big, athletic, and strong, Jenkins can help seal the interior of this defense, freeing up the linebackers such as Pro Bowler Jon Beason.
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Round 5, Pick 129: Greg Romeus, DE, Pitt
Unless there is a great value later in this draft, the Panthers are done fixing their offense. Giving Clausen targets In AJ Green and Rudolph with help tremendously, not to mention giving time for Clausen to thow behind Marcus Cannon. Thus, the Panthers must turn their attention fully to their defense. With Jarvis Jenkins already on board, the Panthers still need to upgrade their defensive line because Charles Johnson is the only playmaker here. Although Hardy had some moments last year, the Panthers still have a gaping hole on the side opposite Johnson, not to mention they’ll need some better rotation players.
Romeus, once thought to be a first round pick, falls to the beginning of the fifth round here. His back surgery really has cost him dearly in terms of draft stock. Teams are weary of taking him early, just as teams were weary of taking Hardy early in last year’s draft. Romeus compares really well to George Selvie, who has talent but also fell in the draft. Good speed off the edge, decent power, takes great angles, and simply gets to the QB. Also plays the run very well off the weak side. No harm in adding more promise to the struggling DE position.
Round 6, Pick 161: Kendrick Ellis, DT, Hampton
Still needing some depth at the DT position, the Panthers take Ellis in the later rounds. Ellis, who was once a highly sought after recruit, transferred to Hampton from South Carolina because of failed drug tests. While at Hampton, he dominated FCS talent, notching 94 total tackles, 15 TFL, and 2 sacks. While at Hampton, it wasn’t unusual for Ellis to dominate a game and have 15 tackles. Although he’s 6-5 and 340, he is suprisingly nimble for his size. Powerful and great at taking on double teams, which he will command. Will surely be an anchor at the next level, which is what the Panthers desperately need. Also would be a good fit next to Jarvis Jenkins.
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Round 7, Pick 193: Kendric Burney, CB, UNC
The past few years, the Panthers have used 7th round picks to supplement their CB depth, so I have the Panthers doing the same here. Kendric Burney is a phenomenal talent, however because of his size (5-9, 187) teams are going to shy away from him just as they did with Captain Munnerlyn. Most NFL teams typically don’t prefer CBs smaller than 6-0, simply because of the height differential with taller WRs. 5-9 is simply too short for most NFL teams. However, the Panthers overlook this because Burney has a great vertical and can go toe-to-toe with taller WRs. New HC Ron Rivera also needs fast cover corners, so that he can use his ‘backers to blitz. With Burney falling, the Panthers swoop in to take him late in the draft.
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Nice mock draft jkp.
Would be very happy with these players.
this would be the greatest mock draft in the world but none of these picks are anywhere realistic
except #1 overall and our 7th round pick because I’ve never heard of him
basically only our #1 overall pick can be done realistically
the 7th round might be but I have no idea who he is so I wouldn’t know how good he is
every other pick is being too wishful
you've never heard of Kendric Burney?
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 12, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
definitely not lol
I live in SoCal so I never watch UNC, but still I’ve heard nothing about him
well living in SoCal i totally understand
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 12, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Rudolph, Cannon and probably Romeus will NEVER fall that far
by Ol' Uncle Munnerlyn on Jan 12, 2011 7:01 PM EST reply actions
Lightning doesn't strike the same place twice ;)
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by southtunnel on Jan 13, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I know a lot of people are having trouble with Rudolph falling to the 65th pick, but here's my reasoning on why he just might fall...
I really don’t think Rudolph will be a first round pick. Tight Ends that are first round picks have serious production, near 800-1000 yards, and Rudolph isn’t anywhere close to that, hovering around 300 a year. Additionally, Rudolph has a lengthy injury history. Teams just aren’t going to want to risk a first rounder on a guy with a hamstring that fell of the bone and other injuries. Greg Olsen, a comparable TE to Rudolph, barely made the 1st round at pick 31, and he had better production (at least 500 yards) and no injury history like Rudolph.
In my mind, Rudolph shares a lot of similarities with Rob Gronkowski in last year’s draft because Gronkowski and Rudolph are very similar in skill sets. Although they may have similarities in their playing styles, the difference is that Gronkowski had much more production and Rudolph has a larger injury history. Now, looking at last year, Gronkowski fell all the way into the middle of the second round at pick 42. While Rudolph is a promising prospect, IMO there is simply no way that Rudolph can be picked earlier than Gronkowski because he’s not any more talented, hasn’t been more productive or even near Gronk’s production, and because he has a larger injury history. I understand that last year’s draft was much deeper, however the value doesn’t change, Rudolph can’t simply be worth a first rounder, or a earlier than a mid second rounder at earliest.
Furthermore, I have made a list of who I think are locks to go ahead of Rudolph and who I think will go ahead of Rudolph. I have 29 guys who are locks to go ahead of Rudolph, and about 24 guys that very well could go/can go/might go before Rudolph. So that makes about 53 guys who could go before Rudolph, not far from the 65th pick. Being that it isn’t that far, its entirely possible that the Panthers trade up to get him, knowing that he probably is on their radar being that the Panthers need a stud TE.
Only thing I would say on your logic is that Gronkowski was in a loaded draft
There is a chance he could have made it into the high 2nd round this year, maybe even the end of the 1st given the lack of talent in this draft compared to last year.
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Even so...
Gronk had much better production and was thought of as a 1st, just like Rudolph but fell to the 2nd because he just wasn’t first round pick worthy. Not many teams really like to take TEs in the first and that high, unless they are simply star prospects. And while Rudolph is good, he’s not a star prospect and has an injury history.
Another thing that isn’t thought about is the possibility of Luke Stocker and DJ Williams going ahead of Rudolph. It’s entirely possible, they’ve both had much much better production without the injury history of Rudolph.
I'd like to see Stocker end up a Panther
But I have an admitted bias towards Tennessee.
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Here's my lists
Locks to go ahead of Rudolph
Mallett
Locker
Newton
Ingram
Green
Julio Jones
Baldwin
Castonzo
Sherrod
Carimi
Barksdale
Pouncey
Wisniewski
Robert Quinn
Clayborn
Fairley
Dareus
Allen Baliey
Cam Jordan
Bowers
Kerrigan
Von Miller
Ayers
Travis Lewis
Bruce Carter
PP7
Amukamara
Brandon Harris
And now prospects who could go before Rudolph:]
Rahim Moore
Deunta Williams
DeAndre McDaniel
Ras-I Dowling
Aaron Williams
Brandon Burton
Curtis Brown
Quan Sturdivant
Greg Jones
Powe
Casey
Cam Heyward
Lawrence Guy
Jeremy Beal
Paea
Ponder
Mikel Leshoure
Vereen
Ryan Williams
Luke Stocker
DJ Williams
Marcus Cannon
Nate Solder
Demarcus Love
And probably some that I left out…
So that leaves Rudolph likely landing somewhere in the mid-late 2nd, and even possibly falling to third…
I go to UNC
and Burney should definitely be taken if he falls that far. Plays very physically despite his size and can really get up. He struggled this year but was phenomenal last year.
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 12, 2011 7:08 PM EST reply actions
I don't know if we'll take a CB so late.
Considering Dick’s out of the picture, that would just leave us with Gamble, Munnerlyn, and C.J. Wilson – if I’m correct.
I would imagine wanting to take a CB around the 5th or 6th rounds after getting a few D-linemen and O-linemen. Maybe Mario Butler from Georgia Tech as a CB?
But, as to size, that’s less of a concern for me considering what Munnerlyn’s accomplished. He has a crazy vertical – 39". He’s blocked a ball intended for his guy in the EZ because of his leap. He’s made some INTs. And as Cap’n Crunch, he’s doled out his fair share of nasty (not dirty) hits.
But still, and interesting mock, jkp.
Or, refering to what Tater said below...
IF there’s a good CB we could get in FA, then taking a CB later in the draft would make sense.
I think CJ is FA. Not much of a loss.
by SerbianPanther on Jan 13, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I was wondering about that...but too lazy to look it up. Haha.
He didn’t seem to make that much of an impact.
So then I’d think a CB higher in the draft would be more important.
Pugh might be okay as a CB, but he just seems better suited as a S. When Pugh filled in for Martin, he seemed to do it flawlessly.
Pugh had some opportunity to play CB this year
He was clearly not ready, but showed some promise of improvement. Could be another late round steal.
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Robert Mclain looks like he could be a decent nickel back.
And we could pick up a guy in FA. So I’m not too terribly worried about corner.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Good Mock
I would be very happy with that draft if it comes to fruition…
-If Rudolph lasts that long we absolutely must draft him. However will all the money we saved I would like to take at Zach Miller (Oakland free agent TE)
-The only disagreement we have is Kendrick Ellis. I think there is no way we take a kid with that much baggage after passing on numerous talents over the years because of character issues. No doubt he has skills, but I was at USC when he was there and he was constantly in trouble; not just with drug testing. Another sad example of wasted talent.
I'm hopeful the Panthers will address all their needs via Free Agency
making the draft a BPA exercise…but then there is that CBA issue…not new FA contracts once lock out starts which will prob extend past the draft
I'd love it.......
but I don’t see it happening.
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Much rather see Jonathan Joseph in Carolina
If we are going with a youth movement, he is our guy. A combination of Gamble, Joseph, and Munnerlyn would give us EASILY the best CB package in the NFL. Joseph would probably even contend with Gamble for that #1 spot.
Then once Gamble’s contract runs out, we would have a young JJ in the 1 spot, and Captain I would believe would be a great #2. I think he is ready for #2 duty now, actually.
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JJ is not that young. He will be 27 on 4/16, only one year younger then Gamble (3/11/83).
by SerbianPanther on Jan 13, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
I was speaking more so in comparison to Nnamdi
Who i believe someone mentioned is 30. 27 is still prime time for CBs, but by 30 you have to start thinking about replacement because they are only a couple years away from losing a step or two.
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The thing with most all-pro corners getting older....
Is either you kick them back to safety when they lose that 6th gear, or you play them in more of a cover 2 role where they have deep help. Charles Woodson is the best example. In another year or two when he is having trouble keeping up with WRs, GB can move him to FS, where he is instantly in the top 5 league-wide. That’s why GB signed him to a long-term contract at what, 33 years old?
But if you are going to pay $12M a year for Nnamdi, you’d expect that he do his best to shutdown the other team’s no. 1 receiver.
That’s why the guy is not going to get a long contract. He might technically get a 5 or 6 year deal, but all of the guaranteed money will dry up after the 3rd year.
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The reason that Rudolph
does not fall is because this is not a deep draft like last years. Guys like Dennis Pitta went in the 4th round last year. This year someone will take a shot at Rudolph in the second round.
Over the last few days, I have started thinking that Marcel Dareus might receive as much as consideration as a Nick Fairley. I am also getting the uncomfortable feeling that the like of Blaine Gabbert or Cam Newton (if he declares) will be strongly considered as the #1 pick.
I actually hope they are
There are several teams with major QB needs, far more so than we have, and they are all picking in the first few rounds, which might entice people to give up a few picks later on so that we can address more issues.
Oh I would be thrilled then
if we can trade down. Just would not like for us to pick someone like Newton or Gabbert.
Pieterzen, I too have started thinking Marcel Dareus might be in the picture
Compared to Fairley, I think he’s the better run stuffer. He has been a decent pass rusher, but it’s important to remember that Bama will run the 3-4 more than occasionally, so that makes it difficult for Dareus to be a bigger threat in the pass rushing game. With that said though, I think Dareus may be the better fit for the Panthers because he’s more of an anchor than Fairley, as I’ve seen Fairley get pushed around just too many times. The only problem is that Dareus really isn’t worth the number one overall pick unless we trade down.
I'm holding off on any and all draft predictions until after the Combine
That is when we’ll see people start to separate from the pack.
This is much more on target than Perloff's draft in SI lol
At least, I don’t see us taking Gabbert #1! I’d love most of these picks (especially if burney falls that far…he definitely is an athletic talent; could develop quite well). I agree that Ellis would probably lose out due to considerable baggage, but we’ll see. I don’t think randolph falls that far, but another couple TE names that might include Luke Stocker (I believe he was a senior this year) and Zach Pianalto. I was especially impressed with Pianalto this year up until he got injured, as he was one of Yates’s best targets when Little got suspended to start the year. Also like the OT selection, since it does seem like a draft where there’s a lot of “good” talent there, just no one really separating from the pack so far (sure that’ll change in the coming months). I’m slowly joining the Green bandwagon though, despite my reservations about drafting WR’s #1…
Based on my personal preference:
I would be so friggin’ over the moon with this draft that I can’t even stand it. I love every player you’ve picked… it’s just going to be a major long shot that some of these guys fall as far as you have, but you never know.
Let me put it this way: If all the guys are available when we pick then we need to take each and every one of them.
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Great mock jpk. I still think where we go in this draft will be based on what we do in FA. If we get a QB in FA to back up/potentially startahead of Clausen, then we will nt go QB in this draft. If we get a reliable DT in the FA (which we should, for anything to mentor the young guys coming in via the draft), then I think we will go with Green at #1.
I agree with you though: we cannot pass up on a talent that has been compared to Randy Moss. But, this all depends on what road we take during FA and the players we get out of there.
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good job
love those picks but all the mock drafts ive seen has rudolph going in the first round to the falcons and i think we would need to draft romeous at pick 98 and ellis at 129 both those guys have potential through the roof
All the mocks also have us taking a DT, DE or QB 1st overall
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by southtunnel on Jan 13, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Mocks are historically terrible.
You’re lucky to get a third of your picks right.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
try this site
http://walterfootball.com/draft2011.php
im not sure who runs that website but they are usally pritty close to right at least the last 2 years
I used to go there a lot.
Walt’s lost his mojo though, and McGuire is terrible. I go there for prospect lists, and they do usually have decent scouting reports, but it’s far from a four or five star site.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
On the Panthers taking another QB...
We should consider a few options:
- Right now they have two guys on the roster at the QB position that are probably going to stay Jimmy Clausen and Tony Pike. Tony Pike will need to prove himself to the new coaching staff early and often in order to keep his spot.
- We should consider it likely that Rivera will bring in a solid veteran. We don’t know their role yet, but it will probably be someone who can legitimately challenge JC for the number one spot. Either way, it looks like the #1 and #2 spots will be locked up pre-draft, with Tony Pike on the bubble at #3.
-Depending on how the coaching staff feels about Tony Pike, they might look to add a new QB in the draft if they can find a good value. At this time, I don’t see us using our 1st round pick on a QB. If a high value guys takes a tumble to one of our 3rd round picks, I fully expect that we would draft them at that point. If that doesn’t happen, and the coaching staff wants to replace Pike.. I think our QB selection in the 4th or 5th round should be Colin Kaepernick out of Nevada.
Kaepernick, based on his skill set, should be considered “Cam Newton Lite”. The man is 6’6" and 225 lbs. His 40-time is listed on NFL draft scout is listed at 4.53 with a low of 4.43. Very fast for a big man. He can also throw very well. His scouting report lists him as the only QB in I-A history to pass for more than 9,000 yards and rush for more than 4,000 in his career.
Sounds like huge value on this guy at his current projection as a 5th rounder.
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I hear this guy can ball...maybe we can get him somehow...
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by ERL on Jan 13, 2011 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I refrained from saying that I hope the new coaching staff gives some QB reps to Armanti, but I of course not so secretly hope they at least toy with the idea.
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But seriously,
I like Kaepernik, Dalton, Stanzi, and Kellen Moore. They will all be around after the third round, which is great, because we need to use our 1 and our two 3’s on big boys.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Yeah, I can only speak for Stanzi on that list as far as who I have watched
but there does seem to be more mid-round talent at QB this year than in most years. Not much in the way of top-end talent, but there are some guys that if given 2 years of NFL coaching can probably be very good.
It really depends on how Rivera and the new OC feel about mobility in their QB. I see it as a huge advantage and an ace in the hole if you can use them effectively. I don’t subscribe to the notion that a traditional pocket passing offense is the best way to go in the NFL.
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I'd agree
I think nowadays you have to have a mobile QB, to an extent. I think once the Mannings and Bradys hang it up, their kind will become extinct. You have to be able to bootleg to survive with all of the blitzes defenses are bringing. Play-action is great, but you can’t stand in one spot all game. You are going to get moved off your spot, and then its all about athleticism. Manning and Brady make it work with little to no athleticism, but they are dinking and dunking all game….might as well get a good running game and run the ball 60 times a game…less risk of game-crippling interceptions and strip-sacks.
Look at the future at the position…they all have at least moderate to good mobility and running skills.
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Looking at it further….
He did indeed. New travels slowly out of Idaho ;)
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
But I do like Kellen Moore.
He’s done great things at Boise State. Pretty much the only real knock I have against him is that he’s on the shorter side. Just look at pictures from the Heisman ceremony where he’s next to Luck and Newton – he looks tiny.
Is that Pat Devlin in the picture?
I think we should get him, he’s going to be a good one I think.
;)
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Also, if I may give some very high praise to Kaepernick for a moment.
I have watched Kaepernick in several games this season, particularly the game against Boise State. Here is comes…
COLIN KAEPERNICK IS MOST LIKELY WHAT ARMANTI EDWARDS WOULD BE IF ARMANTI WAS A LIL’ BIT TALLER.
My praise doesn’t get much higher then that…
But Colin Kaepernick still wears Armanti Edwards pajamas =P
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Wouldn't his pecker hang out the leg hole?
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I like Kaepernick's measurables.
But that release scares me.
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by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
It isn't too bad
He short arms it a bit, but the ball still comes out with good velocity and accuracy. He has definitely shown he can throw the deep ball. Another plus on him is that he comes from the Pistol offense, so his playaction skills are very adept.
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He may be a good value as a 5th rounder.
I’m just not as sold on Kaepernick as some are. I’ve only seen him in the Boise State game and the bowl game, though. It just seemed like he had some questionable decision-making and some less than desirable accuracy.
But, I just had that small sample to look at. His size, speed, and total yardage (passing and throwing) look impressive, so maybe I just didn’t have the best sample to judge him by.
I’d still take Kaepernick over Gabbert. I just don’t get Gabbert at all. Terrible statistics for someone projected to go that high, and those stastics are against Big 12 teams where defense is a complete afterthought for most teams. The run game is almost a complete afterthought. That conference is pretty much decided by who’s the best gunslinger in any particular game and how on or off WRs are in any given game.
I should clarify...
I was fairly impressed with Kaepernick in the Boise St. game…just not the bowl game.
His bowl game was disappointing especially compared to how he played against a superior opponent vs. Boise State
I expected him to light Boston College up, but he was mediocre at best. Maybe rusty, he hadnt played football in like 40 days at that point. That is what I hate about the bowl system.
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Boise State was definitely the hardest game he has ever played in
One of the big knocks on him is that he will be coming from the WAC. Not exactly top flight competition there. But he did have some excellent showing in non-conference games against teams like Missouri.
Still, his stat line at Boise was decent overall. 19/35 259yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 45ruyds, 1 ruTD and more importantly, he made some great plays to keep them in that game into overtime.
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This is Revshawn signing in from a MAC
Let me be the first to tell you guys something: Macs suck. As soon as I’m done typing this message, I will make it my first interest to get my hands onto the keyboard of a PC once more. Screw this little apple and the lack of a right click button. The PC is the only way to go. Over the time it took for me to type this message I have made about 10 typos. Not because of my typing, mind you, but that this keyboard randomly takes characters that I did not type, and inserts it into my message. Strange stuff
Onto the article, I approve of this draft board. I see that you have thrown Clemson the necessary pawprint bone. Good for you! We will not let you down, mark my words. Jarvis Jenkins is the kind of player who will need a year to get fully accumulated to the NFL, but he will be able to contribute to the rotation and he’ll have nailed down a starting position by the year 2012. That’s when you know the world is truly ending. Clemson players starting on the Panthers? What’s next? A laughing donkey doing stand up comedy I suppose.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
Haha
I disagree, but that’s because I run a recording studio and my Mac can handle a whole lot more than my PC that would occasionally crash in the middle of recordings sessions, not cool! lol.
I've heard that a lot actually..
I loved my pc setup though when I was doing post-production stuff in the city; I’m also an extreme PC nerd though, so I’m usually constructing everything myself. Macs do tend to be more user friendly, but I love that with a little knowledge you can maximize a PC’s power to heights untold! :p
Yeah I can build a machine that can smoke any Mac out there
For about a third (or less) the price of a comparable Mac.
The reason PCs get slow is typically user error. The only reason Apple computer don’t have that stereotype is that they are Nazis about what can and cannot live on their boxes.
So, you sacrifice the freedom to use whatever you want on your computer when you buy a Mac… but that is a good thing for some people who just click yes to everything they see.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
Haha
Just for the record, I am not a no knowledge computer dummy either. I actually do know quite a bit about computers (web designer by day, recording engineer by weekend), but as Tomthehomer said “i’ve heard that a lot actually”… that being that Macs are great for audio/video production I assume?
I have friends that build those super PC’s and they are indeed impressive… I just had a mid-level PC in the studio for years and had an opportunity to pick up a nice 24" iMac from my boss for half price and it has been stellar in the studio (and looks pretty sharp too behind my mixing board ;) )
All that said, you make a good point Tater as how much more open a PC, but when I have this Mac dedicated to recording (I use Apple Logic which is Mac only of course) only then it really is exactly what I need.
Anyhow, this is a football thread and there’s no need to start arguing over Mac and PC like the Jimmy vs Other QB debate, so I’ll leave it at that. lol
hahaha ohhh I wouldn't open up that can of worms here...
this is one of those things that’s just user preference; you go with what works for ya :p
Give up on AJ Green. It's not happening!
If all of our logic didn’t convince you, then Rivera’s press conference should have. WRs don’t go #1 overall, no analyst/scout is suggesting he should go #1 overall, we are deep at WR yet shallow at DT, Rivera praised Smitty, Gettis and LaFell, etc, etc.
I know fans have fallen in love with the guy, but it’s not happening. D-line will be our pick, if we don’t trade back.
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
Hi southtunnel...
This is Keyshawn Johnson, former WR and #1 overall pick.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
That was like 15 years ago dude!
Irving Fryer went 1st overall in frigin 1984. And before him… Oh wait those are the only 2, EVER… In like 75 drafts.
There’s a reason for this folks!
on behalf of tha dirty south: soul food, carolina blue, southern hospitality, and tha queen city
by southtunnel on Jan 13, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know man...
I was just messing with you.
You can come down from the ledge at any time.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
They totally made up for it when they picked Heyward-Bey though...
/sarcasm
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
To be fair...
You can pretty much say “Oakland passed on (insert players name) and I’ll bet they still regret it”
It takes almost as much still as the Patriots to categorically miss on almost every 1st round pick you have
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Plus, Meshawn was drafted by the Jets... They were horrible at drafting players then.
Ron Rivera, the Most Interesting Coach in the World. Stay thirsty my friends!
by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
The above post was directed at ST's outburst...
LOL!!!
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
Anddd the ST we all know and (love?) recognize makes an appearance. :P
He didn’t even know Gettis and LaFell’s names, I’m not sure he really buys into them that much. And lest we forget, it’s Hurney, not Rivera, who’s making the final decision. And he loves BPA. Green fits that title to a “t”.
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"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't really understand it, either
I’m sure it will be explained to me, but to me, its like buying a Mercedes when you live in a single-wide.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Except you're spending money on a Mercedes
When you don’t even have a house
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by southtunnel on Jan 13, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My young man, I do declare that our problems on our team is on our offense, not our defense. :p
I expect the Panthers will try to trade their way to moar picks. But if they can’t, it’s AJ Green. Not a question about it in my mind. We’ve got to score points if we’re going to win games, and we need a new playmaker to take over for Steve Smith in the longer term. Neither Gettis, Lafell, or Edwards will provide that.
It will make me the happiest man alive when I see Roger Goodell step up on stage and say “With the first pick in the NFL Draft, the Panthers select AJ Green.” I will be very happy, and I will celebrate by getting intoxicated.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I think you're already intoxicated
In the history of the NFL WRs have been taken 1st overall less than 2% of the time. You guys are just dreaming.
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by southtunnel on Jan 13, 2011 3:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's safe to say that the Panthers are a unique situation, not your typical #1 draft pick team.
Your typical NFL #1 pick team is a team that is absolutely falling apart in all areas and have very little if no talent. The Panthers aren’t like that. We’ve got a good defense. Heck, there’s not a doubt in my mind that we would have been in the Top 10 if our offense was even average. But for some reason or another ((Coaching, cough cough.)) the Panthers just fell apart this year and now we’re blessed enough to be able to add the heir to Steve Smith on the roster.
We can get a good DT in FA. There isn’t no problem with that. But even if we don’t, we still have to do something for our 32nd ranked offense. It’s simply more important side of the ball, and we have to do something to get that little gayboy Jimmy some confidence. If Green doesn’t give us any reason to shy away during the Combine, he’s a Panther.
Unique situation. Unique WR. Epic win.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
I don't think Hurney is an idiot either
Revshawn makes a great point—-this is a unique situation—-
Let’s not forget that this is the NUMBER ONE OVERALL PICK. With the number one overall, you absolutely have to hit on it and get it right, no matter what position it is. If you don’t you’re going to spend millions upon millions on an ineffective player. Other picks in the draft just don’t carry the same weight that the first overall pick does. If the Panthers were picking 5th, 8th or even 14th, you could afford to take some risk. However, you cannot afford to take that risk, being that you are going to pay this player gobs of money. With that being said, you have to pick the BPA, someone that is going to be worth all of that money.
Although I understand Southtunnel’s reasoning and I understand Rivera is defensive minded and all, I don’t think Hurney is stupid enough to risk the first overall pick. Even though everyone in the draft is a gamble, AJ Green is a much lesser gamble than just about every other player out there. Fairley is a one-year wonder and has the bust label, whereas AJ doesn’t. Fairley also has a lot of character concerns, whereas AJ doesn’t. AJ also could very seriously be one of the top receivers in the league in a few years, where with Fairley and others it just isn’t so certain.
Overall, this is the number one pick. It comes once in a lifetime, and there are once in a lifetime players available at them. The Panthers aren’t stupid. AJ Green is the conservative choice. Fairley is a big gamble, AJ really is not. If the Panthers fire and miss on AJ, then they haven’t really hurt themselves. If the Panthers fire and hit on AJ, they could potentially turn this offense, with the strong running game, around and have a scary offense. However, if the Panthers fire and miss on Fairley, it’s going to be a big loss because the Panthers would have not only bet on him to save the D, but also missed out on likely Pro Bowl player. If the Panthers fire and hit on Fairley, they have gained some, but not the same they would have gained with Green. Additionally, even if they fire and hit on Fairley, they are still missing on Green. With Fairley, there is just too much to gamble on, and with AJ it is a lot less of a gamble. The Panthers have the number one overall pick and they just can’t afford to make a mistake like that.
by jkp1516 on Jan 13, 2011 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Because this sums it up so perfectly.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
I must admit, those are good points...
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
MUST IMPROVE OFFENSE
If we draft Fairley or another defenseman at #1 how are we going to improve our 32nd ranked offense? Who are we going to bring in from free agency? I realize that we will get a few players from the Oline back this season, but I don’t think that is going to help the offense dramatically. We need something else to give our offense a spark. I will be severely disappointed if we go into next year with our same lineup as last season. I think the best way to improve our offense is to draft AJ Green. We will regret it 5 years from now if we don’t.
Reply to Southtunnel
I undertand Rivera is a defensive guy, however the simple fact is that he has to turn around the 32nd ranked offense. That isn’t going to happen by itself, he’s going to need some kind of a spark.
Additionally, I understand that we are worse off at DT than WR, however the Panthers have NEVER been ones to pick their needs over the BPA, unless their needs align with BPA. And in this situation, I think that Green is such a better prospect than Fairley that the Panthers simply just can’t take their need over this great of a player. Green has a much better chance of being a pro bowler than Fairley. Also, Fairley has some serious baggage that JR may just not want to take on. For the most part, other than Smitty and taking on Keyshawn (briefly), the Panthers aren’t much for taking on divas and characters like Fairley.
I get why it would make sense for the Panthers to go DT, and I understand the love affair with Fairley, but the Panthers would be just morons to pass up on Green.
That makes sense. go after a WR with NO ONE to throw him the ball...
and NO offensive line to block. LOL. If the Panthers pick a WR with the # 1 pick, lord help them. I hate to bring it up, but is the reason why Newton’s not the consensus # 1 is he’s black? This team BADLY needs a QB with ATHLETICISM. They passed on Brees, they passed on Vick, they passed on Cassell, PLEASE DRAFT NEWTON!
"You run plays to get open. If you're open, and you don't shoot, what's the point of running the play?" - Coach Paul Silas of the Charlotte Bobcats
There you go with the racist crap.
Maybe he isnt #1 because he isnt worth a #1 pick. Everything isnt about color you know. We now have a black president, stop crying about racism now & deal with reality that if you suck you wont have anything given to you.
Last I looked.........
Brees and Cassell were white. Why’d we pass on them again. Vick’s a whole other story but it’s got nothing to do with race. Are you really that dense? How many white guys do we even have on the team?
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Are you serious?
The NFL not picking someone #1 overall because they are black would be like spaghetti not picking meatballs as their #1. Or peanut butter not picking jelly. Or Cookies not picking Chocolate Chips.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
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Yo, Im black and I even find that comment plain stupid
Cam Newton is not worth the #1 pick…period. Shut the hell up
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You can quote that!!!!
by Da Kid Long on Jan 13, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec.
And I love the part about assistant emperor of all black people.
Unofficial Agent for Armanti Edwards, WR #10, Carolina Panthers
really?
because he’s black? are you shitting me? It might have to do with the fact that he has awful mechanics, footwork, and has no idea how to break down an NFL defense.
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by SouthernPanther on Jan 13, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
You shouldn't bring it up.
Playing the race card isn’t the way to go, my friend. Cam Newton’s draft stock has absolutely nothing to do with him being black, especially when the other players who are being considered for #1 (Green, Fairley, Peterson) are, in fact, black.
"I think that fits right along with what my vision is, and that is to help build this team into a Super Bowl caliber team, win, and sustain that for a period of time." ~Ron Rivera
Get this crap out of here.
If Cam Newton deserved to be #1, he would be #1. He hasn’t played as good as Andrew Luck physically, statistically, and visually. Besides, the last time a black QB was the #1 pick he went to the Raiders, and we all knew how well that turned out.
I reject all notion that a QB should be catapulted to the #1 pick because of the color of his skin. Just as I resist corruption in government, the NCAA, and stupid children’s shows that give me nightmares on PBS.
"Once again the trousers of evil are yanked down by the mocking hands of justice!"-Revshawn
What does race have to do with Cam Newton being picked number one??
Did you see the Natty Champ Game?!?!? Don’t know about you, but since that game, I have serious reservations about Cam Newton, and it’s not because of his race…
If we draft a QB with athleticism it will probably be Gabbert
and not Newton (if we stay #1 and don’t trade the pick)
by adamwanderer on Jan 13, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
As far as measurables are concerned
He’s 6’5" 240lbs and posted a 4.65 40yd dash. Granted it isn’t quite to the level of Newtons 4.5 40yd dash nor does he posses quite the lateral quickness. But he’s just as strong and big. He’s got a rifle for an arm too and is more accurate.
I’m not sold on Gabbert, at all, for what it’s worth. Just quoting the scouts.
by adamwanderer on Jan 13, 2011 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
D.W.G I agree with you...
on not picking a WR #1; and the Panthers getting an athletic QB; but I think the reason Newton isn’t the consensus #1 is because he’s a project (throwing motion, playing under Center, reading Defenses). However, I do think that QBs like Jamarcus Russell set-back and made it harder for young Black QBs to be taken seriously by all the so-called experts in the NFL. But there’s still hope…look at Josh Freeman.
I don't think 'color' comes in to it very much anymore.
It would be foolish and nieve to think that color has never been a factor when it comes to the QB position. But Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair, and Donovan McNabb (to name the most successful) have knocked that stereotype out of the park. And besides, Cam looks a little ‘melo’ to me ;)
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
I really like Newton, but don't think we can afford to miss on this pick
And Newton is sooooo risky. They need a safer pick that will definitely be an immediate player. I think that guy is Fairley.
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with a guy who specializes in defensive coaching at the helm?
yea, fairley is a WAAAAYYYY safer pick than newton
I don't see taking Kyle Rudolph at all.
His college stats aren’t anywhere near what Gary Barnidge racked up at Louisville.
Rudolph, for his career, had 90 catches, for 1032 yds, an average of 11.47, inflated a yd on average by the one 95 yarder he had – and only 8 TDs.
Barnidge, totaled 108 catches, for 1491 yds, 13.8 on average, and sxored 17 TDs.
Their size is about the same (Rudolph 15-18 lbs heavier), but aside form that and knowing The Jimmy (who also knows Barnidge by now), I don’t see wasting our 2nd pick for a TE at all. Barnidge is potentially a far bigger downfield passing threat, if utilized properly, plus he contributes on all STs. I’m assuming that our new staff will feature the TE more in passing sets than did Davidson, and Barnidge was drafted originally to catch, not to tackle.
Last year, I predicted Barnidge would have a breakout year, but who could foresee the waste of his talents. I predict the same again, with coaches that know how to get value from the position.
Use that pick on a lineman, where we don’t already have a surplus of talent.
Nice post.
From the little that we've been allowed to see Barnidge...
I think I’d prefer him over King and Rosario. He seems to be closer to the total TE package than those two.
Of course, it’s hard to judge by the relatively small sampling thanks to Fox and his vet tendencies. With Rivera and other coaches really evaluating what they have on the roster and being willing to actually teach, we may get to see more of Barnidge.
I still think that we should look for additional TEs though. Even if Barnidge turns out to be that one all-around TE, you need more than one.
Free agent TE is a must.
There are no TE’s in the draft that would be a significant addition to the Panthers. Let King and Rosario walk and keep Barnidge as the second TE and ST player. Go get the best TE available in Free Agency. I personally am high on Zach Miller of Oakland (60 rec, 11.4 yds/catch). He would help with the development and evaluation of Clausen while giving an additional deep threat to the offense.
I like Barnidge's measurables, stats, and the big plays he's capable of.
But he’s done what, 1 long pass play a season?!?!?! The man is the ultimate tease, keep him for his upside, but bring someone else in. Rudolph is a comparable receiver and already a better blocker. Barnidge has admittedly not had the PT to show his stuff, but the same was said about Dwayne Jarret. At some point you just have to cut bait instead of giving excuses year after year. Barnidge has had what, 3 years to break out? Give him a fourth like Jarret, but don’t bet all your chips on him.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
We should take a lesson from last year.
Instead of taking A E and trying to convert him into a WR/PR, we should have taken Jacoby Ford who played both in college. Ford has what like 3-4 tds returning this year.
Patrick Peterson is who I would target this year. Dude is 6’1" 220lbs and blazing fast with good return skills.
In the 3rd rd I’d look at Pat Devlin QB (Delaware) at 6’4" who has been compared favorably with Flacco. And Marvin Austin DT in the 3rd. Or Kendrick Ellis. Acquire another DT in FA and the defense suddenly got better.
I think with Gettis, LaFell, and Smith we have a good core. Add in Wright and Martin on IR and Guy on PS and AE. If you absoutley have to have another WR, then Jones, Floyd, Henrickson, Pettis are other options. Or Jeff Meahl (Oregon) in the 6th or 7th rd. I had a feeling last year that Landri would surprise and I have that same feeling about Martin.
We do need depth on OL but I’d prefer a G/C combo in case Khaili goes down.
With exception of QB I like your position picks I’d just go in inverse order with CB 1st and reciever/TE last filling the middle rds with interior lineman.
by Robert Woodring on Jan 13, 2011 12:20 PM EST reply actions
peterson
i think we should draft aj green but i wouldn’t be mad at all if we got peterson its just kind of scary that would be the highest a corner has ever been drafted but i also dont think there has ever been a corner as “nfl ready” as peterson
The main difference btwn drafting Green and Peterson...
Green will rely on a 2nd year player who had the worst QB rating in the league last season to get him the ball. Smitty had 44 catches in 2010…less than 3 per game. If we picked Green number 1, and couldn’t even get him the ball 3 times a game, it would have to be considered a bust…but not b/c of Green, but b/c our QB play is so bad.
Peterson, on the other hand, will rely on himself mostly, and then of course be complimented by a young, promising pass rush. So there is much more security in drafting Peterson, IMO. Green obviously makes more of a splash with those who might not watch the whole game, i.e. Billy Joe Bob Fan.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Not relative...
Different coaching staff and different offensive schemes. Just because Davidson couldn’t get the ball into Smmitty’s hands, doesn’t mean another OC can’t. Davidson’s passing game was a BIG FAT joke, pardon the pun…
I’m not supporting AJ Green as #1 pick, but you are comparing apples and oranges here…
I think we should bolster our offense before the defense, but I’m not sure selecting a WR with the #1 pick is the way to do it. I would prefer to trade down, get a second round pick, select WR Julio Jones with the first rounder, and then select a good/decent OT/G in the second round. You want better Offensive production? Bolster the O-line and watch what happens. I agree that a TE in the 3rd is also warranted, at that point I think BPA at TE would suffice.
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 13, 2011 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
I think its relative
Because the common link is still with the organization….and that is Jimmy Clausen.
Davidson was not the one locked on to Jeff King on a flare route when Smitty was wide open waving his arm in the air 30 yards up-field.
Sure, JD never really found creative ways to get Smitty the ball, but when Moore was under center at the end of 2009 and a few games in 2010, Smitty was able to make many more notable plays.
Will increased practice time and familiarity help them increase Smitty’s production? No question, it will.
But I’m looking at the two positions right now, and we have Steve Smith under contract for two more seasons, and we have the 4th and 5th ranked rookie receivers (receptions) in the NFC coming back with some valuable experience under their belts. We even have some guys (Edwards and Guy) who the jury is still out on.
Then I look at CB, and see our number one guy who might have quit on the team, and could possibly not be here much longer, a #2 guy who 5 foot 8 but very physical, and a 7th round rookie who played sparingly in McClain.
Not many draft picks should be made solely on need, sure, but there is more of a need, IMO, at CB.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
Need or BPA?
Which do you choose? Hurney has chosen the BPA during his time here, why would that change now?
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
The best player
But if its very close, then you take need into account. I think Green and Peterson are that close, so you have to take need into consideration.
Also, you have to consider how effective either player can be in our scheme, especially if one of the player’s success is highly dependent on our QB (Green). I think having uncertainty at QB reduces Green’s value substantially.
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
How is defensive secondary a need??
Our passing D has been adequate. Need I remind you that we have the worst offense in the league and a stinky passing game??
we drafted 3 wr last year
i know none of them are near as good as green but we already invested in that position last year and its tuff to pass up on a corner as good as peterson i mean the guy is the size of a lb (6’1’’ 222lb!!!!) and is a shut down corner and a beast in the return game
i think we need green to but i think peterson would help our team just as much. Kind of a 1a 1b situation i also like fairley but i just think he kinda falls out of the mix because teams draft 1 or 2 ways. Either they go for best play avalible (peterson) or need (green)
I am so glad that I’m not the only one who thinks adding a big-time offensive player is the #1 priority. And we should use our #1 pick to fulfill our #1 priority. Everyone is assuming that because we hired a defensive head coach that he is automatically going to select a defensive player with the #1 pick. I don’t necessarily buy that logic because our biggest priority remains the same. That of course being improving the offense. Remember that Hurney is going to have the biggest say on who we draft, and JR will have veto power.
I can see how it's a tossup between Peterson and Green.
I personally think that we will be fine at cornerback. Even assuming we can’t sign free agents, Gamble is still a good player, we have a new coach so that should relight any fire he might have lost. And Captain showed he could excel in the #2 role. I think Mclain will be fine in the nickel, but we should take another CB just in case. I don’t think #1 overall is the place to do it though. However I do see your logic behind taking Peterson.
"Sometimes the journey is better than the destiny."-John Fox
"Ever noticed that you can say "it is what it is" after anything? It’s the perfect cop-out. Sorry man, I didn’t mean to hit on your girl… But it is what it is!"-Southtunnel (previously El Bacon)
by Flowing Willow on Jan 13, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
Right, Like I was saying earlier, I'm not against a CB in the first round, but #1 overall?
I just don’t think our secondary is in that category of “need”. If we want to draft Peterson, then we should trade back to get him at #5-6, where he should be taken. Cornerbacks are very nice to have, but you can’t build your defense or team around them like you can with a MLB or runstuffing DT.
If I was Hurney, I’d most definitely try to trade down and get a second round pick. If I can’t find any takers, then I’m gonna go with BPA, period. The only glaring weakness this team has is at the QB position, and I think it will improve after this off season. Therefore the BPA is the best option, if it’s AJ Green, so be it. If it’s Peterson, good, if it’s Fairley, I’m all for it. Gabbert? not so much… just saying…
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think Peterson is the pick, either, guys.
But I’d hope they take him before Green.
As bad as our offense is, any offensive player we draft is going to be less valuable than a comparable talent on defense….especially at WR.
The Jimmy couldn’t find Smitty. What happens if he can’t find A.J. either?
Let me hold about tree-fiddy?
I still say wait and see how Moore does.
How long would it be b4 they really know how his throwing is?
Ouch...that long really?
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by Tarheel Soldier on Jan 14, 2011 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
This would be a great draft and in support of these picks
if you look at the Panthers history, we seemingly get good value for our picks. Just look at last year’s draft, someone from SI.com (I think) had Clausen, Hardy and LaFell all being drafted in the 1st pre-season. I think that’s good value. The year before that, Brown was projected by most to go in the first round. Munnerlyn was told that he would be a midrounder and if he stayed for his senior season, he would definetly be a 1st rounder. The Duke is another guy who was projected to go in the first round. We have a propensity to find these guys that have lots of potential, albeit at one time in their career. Great post
Nice Draft
I don’t like taking a TE in the 3rd round; none of the TE’s in this draft excite me plus you could pick up a W.Saunders in the later rounds for a cheaper (Carolina Panthers Favorite Thing) price.
Also getting a guy like Kris Wilson Formerly of the Chargers and due to become a free agent as well as perhaps a guy like B. Patrick would be nice.
Panthers need to sign a veteran TE and that is going to happen so no way we draft one that high. Z. Miller would be an awesome pickup by Rivera if that is indeed his first signing. M. Lewis of Jacksonville could also b.c. a free agent as well but offers very little in terms of run blocking and Rivera wants to have one TE that does both well.
Like the rest of the draft especially K. Ellis of Hampton and J. Jenkins of Clemson mix in a couple of vet’s and that DE out of Pittsburgh and the DLine is back in Carolina baby. CB from UNC would be a great find in the 7th round as well.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jan 13, 2011 5:23 PM EST reply actions
The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear that the Panthers just can't miss out on AJ GREEN
1) He’s a once in a lifetime opportunity. Take a prospect like him while you can. 6-4, running a 4.4 and has dominated over the best CBs in college such as Pat Peterson. How does it get any better than that??
2) He’s BPA. No question about it. Fairley just isn’t worth the number one pick, neither is Dareus, Newton, Bowers… Oh and did I mention that Hurney ALWAYS goes BPA??
3) He fills a need. Don’t give me any of that “But-but-but, we have LaFell and Gettis and Smitty” crap. Smitty is on his last legs, and won’t be around much longer. The time has come to find a replacement for him. And there is no assurance that LaFell and Gettis will be the next big things. Sure LaFell looked like the next Muhsin Muhammad at times, and Gettis had a few good games sprinkled here and there, however there’s no assurance that they’ll be any better than that. There’s no way of knowing if they’ll even be quality starting WRs, and can scare Ds. I don’t need to even mention Edwards, who hasn’t even seen the field. The Panthers need a star WR, they don’t have one at the moment, and that is why they were one of the worst passing offenses in the league.
4) Help out poor Jimmy Clausen. Please, give this guy something that he can work with and help out the worst passing offense in the league.
5) AJ Green is the conservative pick. Fairley is a large risk, Dareus also, PP7 might not be as good as touted and might be better athlete than anything, Newton is a huge gamble…
6) JR says he wants to make the offense more exciting. Well, this would do it!
7) Star WRs are tough, I mean extremely difficult to find, and teams are like hungry-hungry-hippoes over them. DTs that can stuff the run and help out in the passing game are a lot easier to find.
8) Because SI is never right on their predictions.
I agree once again
We need a DOMINANT receiver, not just a serviceable one. Let’s be realistic, without an elite QB we need an elite receiver to compensate. Our offense wouldn’t have been nearly as effective if we didn’t have Smitty during the Delhomme days. Don’t get me wrong, Smitty still has some juice in the tank but I think he needs to move to the slot. Our receivers would be feared if we drafted AJ Green. I can’t say the same thing if we don’t draft him. Everyone seems so worried that we would have too many good receivers on one team at the same time. I say that is a good problem to have. The worst case scenario is we trade away one of them for a draft pick.
Smitty is on his last legs, and won’t be around much longer. The time has come to find a replacement for him. And there is no assurance that LaFell and Gettis will be the next big things. Sure LaFell looked like the next Muhsin Muhammad at times, and Gettis had a few good games sprinkled here and there, however there’s no assurance that they’ll be any better than that. There’s no way of knowing if they’ll even be quality starting WRs, and can scare Ds.
That right there in a nutshell is how I feel. Not to mention that getting Green and allowing Smitty to “mentor” him while he is still here would be invaluable. If this team is going to go anywhere offensively, we need a stud WR. Pretty much every other team in the South has one, with TB being the only except (Mike Williams isn’t quite there yet). We need Green.
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Smitty doesn't do mentoring
He pretty much flies by his own rules, and won’t do much to help anyone else. All he seems to do is call you out if you’re slacking, he doesn’t seem to be the teaching type.
If we want a player-coach to teach receivers, we should call up Moose and see if he would be interested in a consultant role to help coach these young WRs.
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+1
Smitty bitches rather than teaches. It’s just the way he is, growing up in South Central LA and being entirely self reliant. Wish he would help out the younger guys though.
Please bring Moose back, if nothing more than an assistant or something. His knowledge would be invaluable with these young guys, and I think he could really relate and communicate with them.
Heard Moose on 610 one time
I like to listen to 610 am. Moose has a show on there Frank Garcia called busting loose with Frank and Moose. Anyway, some people brought up the coaching thing one show with Moose and it sounded like he wasnt really interested. He never stated anything directly, but it sounds like that is not something he would want to do in the future. However, I think Moose would be a great hire as a WR coach since our old one left with Fox. He was never the most talented guy, but he knew how to play the position and was a good player as a result.
by passthedamnchipsdavidson on Jan 14, 2011 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
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